TimmyAshan1
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I really feel like I am just reeking of massive incel energy and insecurity tbh. I've only really recently gotten out of my shell and approached girls at festivals/events.
TL;DR/DNR:
I (28M) met this girl (30F) at a gathering, made out with her heavily when we first met. We're staying in contact but the met this other guy (50M) who is extremely touch-heavy with her; and I feel like she might branch swing. He's acting like a 'total creep orbiter' to her though, but he does mog me in a few ways (PSLmogs by 0.5PSL, heightmogs by 1-2cm, musclemogs a little bit, statusmogs hard)
Need some advice for a girl (30F) I (28M) met; another guy (50M) is also interested in her
I am 28m, and I met this girl 2 weeks ago at a festival. We have been having slight slight romantic tension between us (especially the moment we first met; for context we've already held hands, cuddled and made out on the same day we met). I have this written in a previous FR from 2 weeks ago (FR is at the bottom)
But there is an issue that I have right now.
Basically she (30f) met this 50year old guy at an ecstatic dance, and he has been really pushy with her, only really isolating her and dancing with her. She didn’t mind it too much at first because she thought ‘he’s just being friendly’ (heavy touch is common in these scenes) but then he saw her again today and while we were cuddling he was like ‘hey’. And he basically touched and rubbed her all over while I sat in the cuck chair. But this girl still clung to me, touching my hand, cuddling me so I just assumed ‘he’s being friendly with her’
Also, the 50yearold guy probably mogs me by 0.5PSL (I am likely lltn, he's likely mltn-hltn despite his age), heightmogs me by 1-2cm, musclemogs me a bit and statusmogs me hard (he's a facilitator and has been in the scene for years).
To provide a bit of context; touching, hand-holding and even cuddling isn't always necessarily sexual/romantic in these spaces. So I assumed that he was just being friendly with her at first when he cuddled her too and even invited her over to stay for dinner.
He also said to her ‘by the way you don’t have to go to this ecstatic dance at this venue if you don’t want to. I’ll be fine either way.’ Yet at the ED, he ONLY danced with her while I just danced with almost everybody else.
And then I left them alone during the ecstatic dance to dance with other girls, just out of friendliness. I did dance with her at one point, where she jumped into my lap and grinded against me and I dropped her by accident (but she laughed it off). And post-ED she told he was extremely creepy and lifting her heavily into the air and putting his legs in her neck, something which she did not approve of.
And there was one moment at the closing ceremony when she lied down wity both of us at her sides, holding both of our hands. I don't know what she did to him (if anything), and I don't really care.
And he has sent her multiple invitations for food. And she told him at one point ‘I’ll be at this other ecstatic dance too’ and he interpreted that as ‘she accepted my date’.
And on the way back, she cuddled and hugged me while talking about how creepy that guy was. She literally said "Bro I don't know how to feel about him. He just keeps pushing and stuff"
But I am just worried that he'll text her tonight like "Hey don't worry about that TIm guy. I am here for you
! I am all you need" or some generic 'older guy lovebombing".
We already cuddled for like 4 hours today at multiple locations
* Cuddling on the trainride to the venue
* Cuddling at the venue itself, multiple times. Both laying on our side for 2-3 hours
* Slightly sexual dance moves during ecstatic dance
* Holding each other's waists while walking
* Cuddling on the train back
* Cuddling at the airport (we were getting food there)
But I really don't understand why some 50yearold dude tried to get with a 30 year old. Especially because he admitted that she thought she looked 20-25 at first.
Like... half your age plus 7 much?
He would almost even fail half your age minus seven if he assumed she was 18-20
Aaaaaalso
He verbally said "You don't have to come with me if you don't want to. I'll be able to enjoy myself regardless. "
Meanwhile at the ED: He ONLY danced with her.
I approached a lot of other girls and had tons of fun with them. Even had a girl make eye contact, smile and 'force' me to sit on floor with her.
The thing is, I've already invited her over for dinner myself a week ago, and she's coming over today/tonight for a dinner+forest walk. So we'll see if she'll still go through with it.
FR from 2 weeks ago:
"Alright so, I went to a small spiritual gathering today. It was a hippie/bohemian gathering with tea/plant stuff during the day and a full moon celebration at night. So this isn’t really ‘prime hookup territory’ compared to more ‘party-like venues’.
Regardless, I’ll try to summarize it as best I can, because I want to get everything written down before I go to bed.
The first thing I did was get a massive wardrobe overhaul at the festival; I bought more hippie-like clothing (green linen tunic, green harem pants, headwrap, scarf, obsidian stone beads) just to look more aligned with the scene.
I didn’t come here alone though, I was with a group of 3 others. We eventually decided to get some wine and dance to the music (as a caveat, we did go barefoot and do a lot of ecstatic dance moves; seriously crazy dance moves are not weird here at all unlike normie clubs where you can only do 1 of 5 specific dance moves).
When we were dancing, a few girls did join us, including one girl that I already got a massive crush on the moment I saw her. Barefoot, flowy maxi dress, fluid movement, astrology-based bag. In retrospect, she wasn’t super attractive but she was my type heavily.
We started dancing, she intermingled with our group for a bit, and we went to the campfire eventually. At that point, I was still in ‘friendly mode’ with the girl but I decided to cuddle with her (as a caveat, cuddling in this scene is not necessarily sexual at all); and we stroked each others feet heavily.
This went on for about an hour, until my other friends left and we wanted to check out the fire show (pretty much ‘we have Burning Man at home’). So we went there, and I decided to hold her hand; which she accepted. At the fire show, we leaned into each other a lot with our heads touching.
Eventually we went to the full moon ceremony, which is an indoor dance venue at the place we went to. We started cuddling again, and this was the point where I decided to test the waters. I pushed her on her side to check for a reaction; she was complicit. I interlocked our legs; she was complicit. I squeezed her hard and nuzzled her neck; she was complicit. I also put my fingers near her mouth, and even inside her mouth; she started sucking them.
So this was the moment when I try to go for a makeout, and to my surprise she actually initiated the makeout herself. I was about to bring my lips to her, but she closed the distance herself and shoved her tongue down my throat. I just pivoted her on her side, climbed on top of her and squeezed her body hard while making out
Afterwards, I danced with her some more (grinding while standing up), but that hurt my legs after a while (I was grinding my pelvis against her leg, she was doing the same to me), so I decided to sit down and cross our legs together. Yes, the security at this venue literally allowed us to sit down in the middle of the dancefloor.
So we were sitting on the dancefloor, with legs over each other in a yab-yum position, groins nearly touching, her dress fully lifted to expose her bare panties. At first, I just did very heavy grinding (it legit felt my legs felt like they were about to explode). I shoved my cock deep against her, she started moaning and pushing back. Eventually I squeezed her breasts; she didn't react at all. I squeezed her ass; she didn't react at all. I put my hands under her panties to squeeze her bare ass; she didn't react at all.
And the funny thing is, during this moment I opened my eyes and saw a security officer walking, and my heart skipped a beat. But he just made eye contact with me and smiled. No other issues at all! Seriously, psytrance/spiritual/hippie venues do NOT fucking give a shit at all. I could literally finger her on the dancefloor with people around us.
Afterwards, she had a bit of a stomach ache and I comforted her in a small area with seats and benches. However, this is where I got kinda cucked because a LOT of people eventually went to this small venue, and we barely had any privacy. In fact, the girl was laying with her head in my lap on a couch, and I literally had to position myself so I wouldn’t fall off the edge. But some other guys thought they had the right to literally ask ‘hey, can I sit here?’. Like dude, she has a stomach flu and I’m caressing her face; what the fuck do you think?!
Also in retrospect, I could have taken her to the Temple of Self at Ruigoord. Tons of space, privacy, blankets, pillows; perfect for cuddling and sex. Good thing I only JUST fucking realized that! God I wanna fucking punch my monitor! I said this to her a few days afterwards, and she responded with "Oh my god, that would have been lovely!!!"
This went on for about 2-3 hours (I think she even fell asleep a couple of times) and we went to the bus stop. I did not really expect anything else from her (after all, I did NOT go to this event to hook up at all; even just the makeout would have been far above my expectations let alone the dry-humping stuff I did with her).She then explicitly said ‘if I wasn’t so fucking tired I would have taken you home with me’ which I did NOT expect at all!. I also got her number, and she said “I might see you at the next festival too”"
But I really don't fucking understand why some 50yearold dude tried to get with a 30 year old. Especially because he admitted that she thought she looked 20-25 at first.
Like... 'half your age plus 7'?
He would almost even fail 'half your age minus 7' if he assumed she was 18-20
Aaaaaalso
"You don't have to come with me if you don't want to. I'll be able to enjoy myself regardless. "
Meanwhile at the ED: He ONLY danced with her seems like a massive red flag. And even how he danced with her came across as very 'beta-like'; just passively touching hands and only lifting her into to the air (despite the fact that she protested about her not wanting that).
In fact, most of his moves felt very 'beta'. Softly rubbing her back, holding her hand, ect. With me, she nuzzled me neck, laid her head on my lap, let me rub oil all over her.
But the thing is, his 'beta moves' probably allowed me to lower my guard around him "I can leave them alone for a while, he won't do anything to her"
Anyways, I have a date scheduled with her for tonight, let's see if she's still going to show up. But here's the thing; if she doesn't flake that's a REALLY strong sign. Because i just checked, and she has to travel for 2 hours with public transport (so 4 hours in total).
TL;DR/DNR:
I (28M) met this girl (30F) at a gathering, made out with her heavily when we first met. We're staying in contact but the met this other guy (50M) who is extremely touch-heavy with her; and I feel like she might branch swing. He's acting like a 'total creep orbiter' to her though, but he does mog me in a few ways (PSLmogs by 0.5PSL, heightmogs by 1-2cm, musclemogs a little bit, statusmogs hard)
Need some advice for a girl (30F) I (28M) met; another guy (50M) is also interested in her
I am 28m, and I met this girl 2 weeks ago at a festival. We have been having slight slight romantic tension between us (especially the moment we first met; for context we've already held hands, cuddled and made out on the same day we met). I have this written in a previous FR from 2 weeks ago (FR is at the bottom)
But there is an issue that I have right now.
Basically she (30f) met this 50year old guy at an ecstatic dance, and he has been really pushy with her, only really isolating her and dancing with her. She didn’t mind it too much at first because she thought ‘he’s just being friendly’ (heavy touch is common in these scenes) but then he saw her again today and while we were cuddling he was like ‘hey’. And he basically touched and rubbed her all over while I sat in the cuck chair. But this girl still clung to me, touching my hand, cuddling me so I just assumed ‘he’s being friendly with her’
Also, the 50yearold guy probably mogs me by 0.5PSL (I am likely lltn, he's likely mltn-hltn despite his age), heightmogs me by 1-2cm, musclemogs me a bit and statusmogs me hard (he's a facilitator and has been in the scene for years).
To provide a bit of context; touching, hand-holding and even cuddling isn't always necessarily sexual/romantic in these spaces. So I assumed that he was just being friendly with her at first when he cuddled her too and even invited her over to stay for dinner.
He also said to her ‘by the way you don’t have to go to this ecstatic dance at this venue if you don’t want to. I’ll be fine either way.’ Yet at the ED, he ONLY danced with her while I just danced with almost everybody else.
And then I left them alone during the ecstatic dance to dance with other girls, just out of friendliness. I did dance with her at one point, where she jumped into my lap and grinded against me and I dropped her by accident (but she laughed it off). And post-ED she told he was extremely creepy and lifting her heavily into the air and putting his legs in her neck, something which she did not approve of.
And there was one moment at the closing ceremony when she lied down wity both of us at her sides, holding both of our hands. I don't know what she did to him (if anything), and I don't really care.
And he has sent her multiple invitations for food. And she told him at one point ‘I’ll be at this other ecstatic dance too’ and he interpreted that as ‘she accepted my date’.
And on the way back, she cuddled and hugged me while talking about how creepy that guy was. She literally said "Bro I don't know how to feel about him. He just keeps pushing and stuff"
But I am just worried that he'll text her tonight like "Hey don't worry about that TIm guy. I am here for you
! I am all you need" or some generic 'older guy lovebombing".We already cuddled for like 4 hours today at multiple locations
* Cuddling on the trainride to the venue
* Cuddling at the venue itself, multiple times. Both laying on our side for 2-3 hours
* Slightly sexual dance moves during ecstatic dance
* Holding each other's waists while walking
* Cuddling on the train back
* Cuddling at the airport (we were getting food there)
But I really don't understand why some 50yearold dude tried to get with a 30 year old. Especially because he admitted that she thought she looked 20-25 at first.
Like... half your age plus 7 much?
He would almost even fail half your age minus seven if he assumed she was 18-20
Aaaaaalso
He verbally said "You don't have to come with me if you don't want to. I'll be able to enjoy myself regardless. "
Meanwhile at the ED: He ONLY danced with her.
I approached a lot of other girls and had tons of fun with them. Even had a girl make eye contact, smile and 'force' me to sit on floor with her.
The thing is, I've already invited her over for dinner myself a week ago, and she's coming over today/tonight for a dinner+forest walk. So we'll see if she'll still go through with it.
FR from 2 weeks ago:
"Alright so, I went to a small spiritual gathering today. It was a hippie/bohemian gathering with tea/plant stuff during the day and a full moon celebration at night. So this isn’t really ‘prime hookup territory’ compared to more ‘party-like venues’.
Regardless, I’ll try to summarize it as best I can, because I want to get everything written down before I go to bed.
The first thing I did was get a massive wardrobe overhaul at the festival; I bought more hippie-like clothing (green linen tunic, green harem pants, headwrap, scarf, obsidian stone beads) just to look more aligned with the scene.
I didn’t come here alone though, I was with a group of 3 others. We eventually decided to get some wine and dance to the music (as a caveat, we did go barefoot and do a lot of ecstatic dance moves; seriously crazy dance moves are not weird here at all unlike normie clubs where you can only do 1 of 5 specific dance moves).
When we were dancing, a few girls did join us, including one girl that I already got a massive crush on the moment I saw her. Barefoot, flowy maxi dress, fluid movement, astrology-based bag. In retrospect, she wasn’t super attractive but she was my type heavily.
We started dancing, she intermingled with our group for a bit, and we went to the campfire eventually. At that point, I was still in ‘friendly mode’ with the girl but I decided to cuddle with her (as a caveat, cuddling in this scene is not necessarily sexual at all); and we stroked each others feet heavily.
This went on for about an hour, until my other friends left and we wanted to check out the fire show (pretty much ‘we have Burning Man at home’). So we went there, and I decided to hold her hand; which she accepted. At the fire show, we leaned into each other a lot with our heads touching.
Eventually we went to the full moon ceremony, which is an indoor dance venue at the place we went to. We started cuddling again, and this was the point where I decided to test the waters. I pushed her on her side to check for a reaction; she was complicit. I interlocked our legs; she was complicit. I squeezed her hard and nuzzled her neck; she was complicit. I also put my fingers near her mouth, and even inside her mouth; she started sucking them.
So this was the moment when I try to go for a makeout, and to my surprise she actually initiated the makeout herself. I was about to bring my lips to her, but she closed the distance herself and shoved her tongue down my throat. I just pivoted her on her side, climbed on top of her and squeezed her body hard while making out
Afterwards, I danced with her some more (grinding while standing up), but that hurt my legs after a while (I was grinding my pelvis against her leg, she was doing the same to me), so I decided to sit down and cross our legs together. Yes, the security at this venue literally allowed us to sit down in the middle of the dancefloor.
So we were sitting on the dancefloor, with legs over each other in a yab-yum position, groins nearly touching, her dress fully lifted to expose her bare panties. At first, I just did very heavy grinding (it legit felt my legs felt like they were about to explode). I shoved my cock deep against her, she started moaning and pushing back. Eventually I squeezed her breasts; she didn't react at all. I squeezed her ass; she didn't react at all. I put my hands under her panties to squeeze her bare ass; she didn't react at all.
And the funny thing is, during this moment I opened my eyes and saw a security officer walking, and my heart skipped a beat. But he just made eye contact with me and smiled. No other issues at all! Seriously, psytrance/spiritual/hippie venues do NOT fucking give a shit at all. I could literally finger her on the dancefloor with people around us.
Afterwards, she had a bit of a stomach ache and I comforted her in a small area with seats and benches. However, this is where I got kinda cucked because a LOT of people eventually went to this small venue, and we barely had any privacy. In fact, the girl was laying with her head in my lap on a couch, and I literally had to position myself so I wouldn’t fall off the edge. But some other guys thought they had the right to literally ask ‘hey, can I sit here?’. Like dude, she has a stomach flu and I’m caressing her face; what the fuck do you think?!
Also in retrospect, I could have taken her to the Temple of Self at Ruigoord. Tons of space, privacy, blankets, pillows; perfect for cuddling and sex. Good thing I only JUST fucking realized that! God I wanna fucking punch my monitor! I said this to her a few days afterwards, and she responded with "Oh my god, that would have been lovely!!!"
This went on for about 2-3 hours (I think she even fell asleep a couple of times) and we went to the bus stop. I did not really expect anything else from her (after all, I did NOT go to this event to hook up at all; even just the makeout would have been far above my expectations let alone the dry-humping stuff I did with her).She then explicitly said ‘if I wasn’t so fucking tired I would have taken you home with me’ which I did NOT expect at all!. I also got her number, and she said “I might see you at the next festival too”"
But I really don't fucking understand why some 50yearold dude tried to get with a 30 year old. Especially because he admitted that she thought she looked 20-25 at first.
Like... 'half your age plus 7'?
He would almost even fail 'half your age minus 7' if he assumed she was 18-20
Aaaaaalso
"You don't have to come with me if you don't want to. I'll be able to enjoy myself regardless. "
Meanwhile at the ED: He ONLY danced with her seems like a massive red flag. And even how he danced with her came across as very 'beta-like'; just passively touching hands and only lifting her into to the air (despite the fact that she protested about her not wanting that).
In fact, most of his moves felt very 'beta'. Softly rubbing her back, holding her hand, ect. With me, she nuzzled me neck, laid her head on my lap, let me rub oil all over her.
But the thing is, his 'beta moves' probably allowed me to lower my guard around him "I can leave them alone for a while, he won't do anything to her"
Anyways, I have a date scheduled with her for tonight, let's see if she's still going to show up. But here's the thing; if she doesn't flake that's a REALLY strong sign. Because i just checked, and she has to travel for 2 hours with public transport (so 4 hours in total).
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