NEVER BULK AS A NATTY

[Tigermoggerlol]

HERES WHY U SHOULD NEVER EVER BULK AS A NATTY

Let’s say your a natty who goes on a bulk and u start eating more food then u burn. Since your natty and you have shit nutrient partitioning all that food is going to fat and water. Finally you hit the 4 month mark and your now 20% bf that does that mean? Your insulin sensitivity is out of whack and u can hardly build any muscle at all. Now 8 months peak bulk. You have now gained 35 pounds you feel jacked and felt like all the pounds were muscle till u go on a cut and lose your glycogen and realize you gained 2 pounds of muscle that whole time. But now you have 30 pounds of fat to lose so what’s going to happen? Those 2 pounds of muscle are going to vanish bc since your natty u lose muscle while cutting.

So after 1 year of all that bullshit u have now gained 0 muscle possibly 1 pound.

This is why you see natural bodybuilders with non elite genetics. Do there year long bulks and come out looking the same, why?

BC BULKING IS ONLY RESERVED FOR PPL ON GEAR WHO CAN ACC USE THE FOOD TO THERE ADVANTAGE BC THEY HAVE MORE ANDROGENS AND BETTER NP.

Now if your a begginer it’s the same but with a twist your “noobie gains” are gonna come with out bulking and bulking is acc gonna harm the noobie gains bc like I said earlier 20%bf fucks your insulin. So if your a begginer eat normally and lift.

Now if you want to continue lifting natty best thing u can do is maintain 12%bf (peak hormone production and insulin sensitivity) and optimize everything and you’ll pack on some decent size over a few years.

As for the genetic elites do wtv u want you’ll gain muscle regardless.

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

Bump

 

[xzx_]

you can also get fat cell hyperplasia

 

[HundredManSlayer]

you're talking about retarded dirty bulking. an actual controlled lean bulk with whole foods, the results are completely inverse and much better.

you can't make noticable gains as a natural without bulking, thats just how it is. everytime i've maintained i've stalled in both strength and size.

 

[hax]

i can't even bulk properly when i want to

 

[idkmanimao]

HERES WHY U SHOULD NEVER EVER BULK AS A NATTY

Let’s say your a natty who goes on a bulk and u start eating more food then u burn. Since your natty and you have shit nutrient partitioning all that food is going to fat and water. Finally you hit the 4 month mark and your now 20% bf that does that mean? Your insulin sensitivity is out of whack and u can hardly build any muscle at all. Now 8 months peak bulk. You have now gained 35 pounds you feel jacked and felt like all the pounds were muscle till u go on a cut and lose your glycogen and realize you gained 2 pounds of muscle that whole time. But now you have 30 pounds of fat to lose so what’s going to happen? Those 2 pounds of muscle are going to vanish bc since your natty u lose muscle while cutting.

So after 1 year of all that bullshit u have now gained 0 muscle possibly 1 pound.

This is why you see natural bodybuilders with non elite genetics. Do there year long bulks and come out looking the same, why?

BC BULKING IS ONLY RESERVED FOR PPL ON GEAR WHO CAN ACC USE THE FOOD TO THERE ADVANTAGE BC THEY HAVE MORE ANDROGENS AND BETTER NP.

Now if your a begginer it’s the same but with a twist your “noobie gains” are gonna come with out bulking and bulking is acc gonna harm the noobie gains bc like I said earlier 20%bf fucks your insulin. So if your a begginer eat normally and lift.

Now if you want to continue lifting natty best thing u can do is maintain 12%bf (peak hormone production and insulin sensitivity) and optimize everything and you’ll pack on some decent size over a few years.

As for the genetic elites do wtv u want you’ll gain muscle regardless.

BULK TO FAKE A ASCENTION! first get lean (and if you look good enough to blow up) then bulk up, get fat and ugly, then ascend and post/scam people jfl

 

[Copercel]

DNR. Never bulk even if you’re on roids

 

[AbuSdanteet]

i can't even bulk properly when i want to

Beef aside, that’s really odd. Usually short people put on muscles a lot better

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Bulk only if you are using gh

 

[hax]

Beef aside, that’s really odd. Usually short people put on muscles a lot better

All my friends tell me "oh bro just bulk", especially my 5'4 gymcel. I can literally eat everything I want and I won't gain any weight.

 

[AbuSdanteet]

All my friends tell me "oh bro just bulk", especially my 5'4 gymcel. I can literally eat everything I want and I won't gain any weight.

Yeah that’s weird. You’re below 5’9 so you should be able to bulk easily

 

[Wog]

clean food without counting calories, and diuretics

 

[hax]

Yeah that’s weird. You’re below 5’9 so you should be able to bulk easily

how mad can one be

you're kinda boosting my ego though, making it sound like 6 feet tall is insane or sum

 

[AbuSdanteet]

how mad can one be

you're kinda boosting my ego though, making it sound like 6 feet tall is insane or sum

But you’re not 6’0 tall

 

[lblamegenetics]

So what do i do? Im currently cutting after i cut down to my wanted weight do i just do nothing? Whay

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

you're talking about retarded dirty bulking. an actual controlled lean bulk with whole foods, the results are completely inverse and much better.

you can't make noticable gains as a natural without bulking, thats just how it is. everytime i've maintained i've stalled in both strength and size.

Yeah this goes towards the “controlled” bulk to and the size nattys gain on a “bulk” is all glycogen. I’m not saying u can’t gain any muscle naturally just not as much as ppl expect

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

BULK TO FAKE A ASCENTION! first get lean (and if you look good enough to blow up) then bulk up, get fat and ugly, then ascend and post/scam people jfl

Method lowkey

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

DNR. Never bulk even if you’re on roids

Nah bc with roids mf will eat at a calorie surplus and still stay lean

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

So what do i do? Im currently cutting after i cut down to my wanted weight do i just do nothing? Whay

Yeah just stay lean and maingain or hope on gear.

 

[idkmanimao]

Method lowkey

I want to try it but I look ugly as shit

 

[Mike456]

HERES WHY U SHOULD NEVER EVER BULK AS A NATTY

Let’s say your a natty who goes on a bulk and u start eating more food then u burn. Since your natty and you have shit nutrient partitioning all that food is going to fat and water. Finally you hit the 4 month mark and your now 20% bf that does that mean? Your insulin sensitivity is out of whack and u can hardly build any muscle at all. Now 8 months peak bulk. You have now gained 35 pounds you feel jacked and felt like all the pounds were muscle till u go on a cut and lose your glycogen and realize you gained 2 pounds of muscle that whole time. But now you have 30 pounds of fat to lose so what’s going to happen? Those 2 pounds of muscle are going to vanish bc since your natty u lose muscle while cutting.

So after 1 year of all that bullshit u have now gained 0 muscle possibly 1 pound.

This is why you see natural bodybuilders with non elite genetics. Do there year long bulks and come out looking the same, why?

BC BULKING IS ONLY RESERVED FOR PPL ON GEAR WHO CAN ACC USE THE FOOD TO THERE ADVANTAGE BC THEY HAVE MORE ANDROGENS AND BETTER NP.

Now if your a begginer it’s the same but with a twist your “noobie gains” are gonna come with out bulking and bulking is acc gonna harm the noobie gains bc like I said earlier 20%bf fucks your insulin. So if your a begginer eat normally and lift.

Now if you want to continue lifting natty best thing u can do is maintain 12%bf (peak hormone production and insulin sensitivity) and optimize everything and you’ll pack on some decent size over a few years.

As for the genetic elites do wtv u want you’ll gain muscle regardless.

Maximum you can be in a 500 calories surplus

 

[laworg]

Agtee

HERES WHY U SHOULD NEVER EVER BULK AS A NATTY

Let’s say your a natty who goes on a bulk and u start eating more food then u burn. Since your natty and you have shit nutrient partitioning all that food is going to fat and water. Finally you hit the 4 month mark and your now 20% bf that does that mean? Your insulin sensitivity is out of whack and u can hardly build any muscle at all. Now 8 months peak bulk. You have now gained 35 pounds you feel jacked and felt like all the pounds were muscle till u go on a cut and lose your glycogen and realize you gained 2 pounds of muscle that whole time. But now you have 30 pounds of fat to lose so what’s going to happen? Those 2 pounds of muscle are going to vanish bc since your natty u lose muscle while cutting.

So after 1 year of all that bullshit u have now gained 0 muscle possibly 1 pound.

This is why you see natural bodybuilders with non elite genetics. Do there year long bulks and come out looking the same, why?

BC BULKING IS ONLY RESERVED FOR PPL ON GEAR WHO CAN ACC USE THE FOOD TO THERE ADVANTAGE BC THEY HAVE MORE ANDROGENS AND BETTER NP.

Now if your a begginer it’s the same but with a twist your “noobie gains” are gonna come with out bulking and bulking is acc gonna harm the noobie gains bc like I said earlier 20%bf fucks your insulin. So if your a begginer eat normally and lift.

Now if you want to continue lifting natty best thing u can do is maintain 12%bf (peak hormone production and insulin sensitivity) and optimize everything and you’ll pack on some decent size over a few years.

As for the genetic elites do wtv u want you’ll gain muscle regardless.

Dnr but agree

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

I want to try it but I look ugly as shit

Hardmax

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

Maximum you can be in a 500 calories surplus

No 0 lol

 

[Mike456]

No 0 lol

If you in puberty you might need a 200-300 calorie surplus depends on your metabolism

 

[idkmanimao]

Hardmax

true

 

[HundredManSlayer]

Yeah this goes towards the “controlled” bulk to and the size nattys gain on a “bulk” is all glycogen. I’m not saying u can’t gain any muscle naturally just not as much as ppl expect

wouldn’t say my 35 lbs of lean mass gain over 3 years is all glycogen lol

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

wouldn’t say my 35 lbs of lean mass gain over 3 years is all glycogen lol

30% of it is glycogen. And 3 years is were your noobie gains are at. Anymore “bulks” after this is just gonna do more harm then good. Also genetics play a role.

 

[HundredManSlayer]

30% of it is glycogen. And 3 years is were your noobie gains are at. Anymore “bulks” after this is just gonna do more harm then good. Also genetics play a role.

wouldn't say 30% lol, but yes those were the majority of my noobie gains. its slowing down but bulking imo ensures i can gain muscle mass effectively

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

wouldn't say 30% lol, but yes those were the majority of my noobie gains. its slowing down but bulking imo ensures i can gain muscle mass effectively

It is glycogen actual muscle tissue isn’t as much as ppl think that’s why it’s called lean mass= muscle, glycogen, blood, etc. And I feel u might aswell hope on atp

 

[HundredManSlayer]

It is glycogen actual muscle tissue isn’t as much as ppl think that’s why it’s called lean mass= muscle, glycogen, blood, etc. And I feel u might aswell hope on atp

nah probably going to stay natural, im too short to go on roids ill just get bloated af and too unproportional.

not tryna look like one of the tren twins

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

nah probably going to stay natural, im too short to go on roids ill just get bloated af and too unproportional.

not tryna look like one of the tren twins

It takes years of abuse and good genetics to look like the tren twins lol. A small sarm cycle can just give u that extra boost

 

[HundredManSlayer]

It takes years of abuse and good genetics to look like the tren twins lol. A small sarm cycle can just give u that extra boost

yeah but if i can get that naturally over a couple years i'd rather do that.

cant tell you why but i'd rather have natural test than one out of a bottle tbh

 

[Onknown47594]

HERES WHY U SHOULD NEVER EVER BULK AS A NATTY

Let’s say your a natty who goes on a bulk and u start eating more food then u burn. Since your natty and you have shit nutrient partitioning all that food is going to fat and water. Finally you hit the 4 month mark and your now 20% bf that does that mean? Your insulin sensitivity is out of whack and u

yeah but if i can get that naturally over a couple years i'd rather do that.

cant tell you why but i'd rather have natural test than one out of a bottle tbh

can hardly build any muscle at all. Now 8 months peak bulk. You have now gained 35 pounds you feel jacked and felt like all the pounds were muscle till u go on a cut and lose your glycogen and realize you gained 2 pounds of muscle that whole time. But now you have 30 pounds of fat to lose so what’s going to happen? Those 2 pounds of muscle are going to vanish bc since your natty u lose muscle while cutting.

So after 1 year of all that bullshit u have now gained 0 muscle possibly 1 pound.

This is why you see natural bodybuilders with non elite genetics. Do there year long bulks and come out looking the same, why?

BC BULKING IS ONLY RESERVED FOR PPL ON GEAR WHO CAN ACC USE THE FOOD TO THERE ADVANTAGE BC THEY HAVE MORE ANDROGENS AND BETTER NP.

Now if your a begginer it’s the same but with a twist your “noobie gains” are gonna come with out bulking and bulking is acc gonna harm the noobie gains bc like I said earlier 20%bf fucks your insulin. So if your a begginer eat normally and lift.

As for the genetic elites do wtv u want you’ll gain muscle

HERES WHY U SHOULD NEVER EVER BULK AS A NATTY

Let’s say your a natty who goes on a bulk and u start eating more food then u burn. Since your natty and you have shit nutrient partitioning all that food is going to fat and water. Finally you hit the 4 month mark and your now 20% bf that does that mean? Your insulin sensitivity is out of whack and u can hardly build any muscle at all. Now 8 months peak bulk. You have now gained 35 pounds you feel jacked and felt like all the pounds were muscle till u go on a cut and lose your glycogen and realize you gained 2 pounds of muscle that whole time. But now you have 30 pounds of fat to lose so what’s going to happen? Those 2 pounds of muscle are going to vanish bc since your natty u lose muscle while cutting.

So after 1 year of all that bullshit u have now gained 0 muscle possibly 1 pound.

This is why you see natural bodybuilders with non elite genetics. Do there year long bulks and come out looking the same, why?

BC BULKING IS ONLY RESERVED FOR PPL ON GEAR WHO CAN ACC USE THE FOOD TO THERE ADVANTAGE BC THEY HAVE MORE ANDROGENS AND BETTER NP.

Now if your a begginer it’s the same but with a twist your “noobie gains” are gonna come with out bulking and bulking is acc gonna harm the noobie gains bc like I said earlier 20%bf fucks your insulin. So if your a begginer eat normally and lift.

Now if you want to continue lifting natty best thing u can do is maintain 12%bf (peak hormone production and insulin sensitivity) and optimize everything and you’ll pack on some decent size over a few years.

As for the genetic elites do wtv u want you’ll gain muscle regardless.

If ur not severely underweight to the point that it isn’t healthy there isnt really a benefit to bulking at all as a normal person even if ur not natty

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

yeah but if i can get that naturally over a couple years i'd rather do that.

cant tell you why but i'd rather have natural test than one out of a bottle tbh

I mean it all depends on goals

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

What?

 

[mogtivism]

HERES WHY U SHOULD NEVER EVER BULK AS A NATTY

Let’s say your a natty who goes on a bulk and u start eating more food then u burn. Since your natty and you have shit nutrient partitioning all that food is going to fat and water. Finally you hit the 4 month mark and your now 20% bf that does that mean? Your insulin sensitivity is out of whack and u can hardly build any muscle at all. Now 8 months peak bulk. You have now gained 35 pounds you feel jacked and felt like all the pounds were muscle till u go on a cut and lose your glycogen and realize you gained 2 pounds of muscle that whole time. But now you have 30 pounds of fat to lose so what’s going to happen? Those 2 pounds of muscle are going to vanish bc since your natty u lose muscle while cutting.

So after 1 year of all that bullshit u have now gained 0 muscle possibly 1 pound.

This is why you see natural bodybuilders with non elite genetics. Do there year long bulks and come out looking the same, why?

BC BULKING IS ONLY RESERVED FOR PPL ON GEAR WHO CAN ACC USE THE FOOD TO THERE ADVANTAGE BC THEY HAVE MORE ANDROGENS AND BETTER NP.

Now if your a begginer it’s the same but with a twist your “noobie gains” are gonna come with out bulking and bulking is acc gonna harm the noobie gains bc like I said earlier 20%bf fucks your insulin. So if your a begginer eat normally and lift.

Now if you want to continue lifting natty best thing u can do is maintain 12%bf (peak hormone production and insulin sensitivity) and optimize everything and you’ll pack on some decent size over a few years.

As for the genetic elites do wtv u want you’ll gain muscle regardless.

This is EXACTLY why you never bulk while skinnyfat.

I made the mistake of bulking while 24% bodyfat skinnyfat because i had thin arms. I just got to 28% bodyfat and barely gained any muscle. Meanwhile the guys who started bulking from very skinny built PURE MUSCLE and fast.

Nobody talks about this on youtube but if you’re not like 13% bodyfat and bulk with below average genetics a lot of what you gain will be fat mass even if you do it slow. And no, you cannot just “maingain” your way to a good body. The body cannot use fat mass energy to build muscle efficiently, i found this out first year lifting JFL.

The best solution when starting gym is to first focus on losing all the fat. You should NEVER start a bulk skinnyfat with a gut. Start skinny. Then your nutrition partitioning should be much better and if you control what you eat and do high volume, you’ll make gains.

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

This is EXACTLY why you never bulk while skinnyfat.

I made the mistake of bulking while 24% bodyfat skinnyfat because i had thin arms. I just got to 28% bodyfat and barely gained any muscle. Meanwhile the guys who started bulking from very skinny built PURE MUSCLE and fast.

Nobody talks about this on youtube but if you’re not like 13% bodyfat and bulk with below average genetics a lot of what you gain will be fat mass even if you do it slow. And no, you cannot just “maingain” your way to a good body. The body cannot use fat mass energy to build muscle efficiently, i found this out first year lifting JFL.

The best solution when starting gym is to first focus on losing all the fat. You should NEVER start a bulk skinnyfat with a gut. Start skinny. Then your nutrition partitioning should be much better and if you control what you eat and do high volume, you’ll make gains.

Water bro but I disagree with some off that u can maintain to a good body in fact that’s how it’s been for years. Bulking was originally specifically used for bodybuilders on steroids bc when eat food it goes towards the muscle to build them bc they have better nutrition partitioning while on gear. But when your natty those calories are acc going to all fat while your gaining the same muscle you could’ve been while maingaining. So even if your 10%bf as a natty just don’t bulk

 

[mogtivism]

Water bro but I disagree with some off that u can maintain to a good body in fact that’s how it’s been for years. Bulking was originally specifically used for bodybuilders on steroids bc when eat food it goes towards the muscle to build them bc they have better nutrition partitioning while on gear. But when your natty those calories are acc going to all fat while your gaining the same muscle you could’ve been while maingaining. So even if your 10%bf as a natty just don’t bulk

“Just don’t bulk bro!!”

Maingain bro!!!

Right, tell me how you plan to add 20lbs of weight in muscle while staying at the same weight. Maingaining is a scam for everyone but the most genetically gifted. You gotta eat in some calorie surplus to build muscle, whether thats 200 calories or 500, it’s still a “bulk”. Trust me i wasted a year on maingaining.

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

“Just don’t bulk bro!!”

Maingain bro!!!

Right, tell me how you plan to add 20lbs of weight in muscle while staying at the same weight. Maingaining is a scam for everyone but the most genetically gifted. You gotta eat in some calorie surplus to build muscle, whether thats 200 calories or 500, it’s still a “bulk”. Trust me i wasted a year on maingaining.

By taking gear jfl and yeah exactly u wasted time. Gymmaxxing as a natty with average genetics is pointless. The calorie surplus’s as a natty just goes towards the gut not the bicep brah.

 

[mogtivism]

By taking gear jfl and yeah exactly u wasted time. Gymmaxxing as a natty with average genetics is pointless. The calorie surplus’s as a natty just goes towards the gut not the bicep brah.

Tell me about your gear cycle, and progress before you hopped on, and routine. I’m interested.

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

Tell me about your gear cycle, and progress before you hopped on, and routine. I’m interested.

I just hoped on 10mg of rad 140 acc like 2 weeks ago. So far I’m on a cut getting leaner but I’m putting on a ton of strength and fullness while I’m at it.

 

[mogtivism]

I just hoped on 10mg of rad 140 acc like 2 weeks ago. So far I’m on a cut getting leaner but I’m putting on a ton of strength and fullness while I’m at it.

Cool, how much mass did you manage to put on before rad140? Any at all or nah?

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

Cool, how much mass did you manage to put on before rad140? Any at all or nah?

I was acc able to put on a lot like a solid 20-25 pounds of muscle in 2 years. But I took mk at one point during that time and I bulked during that time to and I ended up getting to 30% bf. So the 70 pounds that I gained more then half of that was fat. So after I started cutting and due to my Mexican genetics it’s taken me 8 months to get to 14-15% bf. So I got rad to hopefully speed up the procces of this cut and prevent muscle loss.

 

[mogtivism]

I was acc able to put on a lot like a solid 20-25 pounds of muscle in 2 years. But I took mk at one point during that time and I bulked during that time to and I ended up getting to 30% bf. So the 70 pounds that I gained more then half of that was fat. So after I started cutting and due to my Mexican genetics it’s taken me 8 months to get to 14-15% bf. So I got rad to hopefully speed up the procces of this cut and prevent muscle loss.

All i need and want is like 20lbs of muscle tbh. I don’t care to be a mass monster, i just wanna not be DYEL skinnyfat anymore. Cutting till i hit 13% bodyfat then imma bulk. Maybe natty maybe sarms. Idk

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

All i need and want is like 20lbs of muscle tbh. I don’t care to be a mass monster, i just wanna not be DYEL skinnyfat anymore. Cutting till i hit 13% bodyfat then imma bulk. Maybe natty maybe sarms. Idk

Idk if your starting out skinny fat odds are your prop have shit genes. But if u want is 20 pounds of muscle and 13% bf that shouldn’t take long to achieve. But if u wanna speed up the process take sarms.

 

[mogtivism]

Idk if your starting out skinny fat odds are your prop have shit genes. But if u want is 20 pounds of muscle and 13% bf that shouldn’t take long to achieve. But if u wanna speed up the process take sarms.

I’m well aware of my shit genetics. Legit everyone who gets jacked in the gym starts out skinny or already athletic. Skinnyfat is the hardest most crooked starting position to deal with, but i’ve seen guys change it around by getting lean first and then slowly bulking like Oskar Farkrog, who started off far worse and weaker than me. At this point i’m very much open to the possibility of using SARMs, but if i can gain 20lbs muscle without raping my liver, that’d be better.

 

[Hal.-.109hal]

you're talking about retarded dirty bulking. an actual controlled lean bulk with whole foods, the results are completely inverse and much better.

you can't make noticable gains as a natural without bulking, thats just how it is. everytime i've maintained i've stalled in both strength and size.

Tuff Name

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

I’m well aware of my shit genetics. Legit everyone who gets jacked in the gym starts out skinny or already athletic. Skinnyfat is the hardest most crooked starting position to deal with, but i’ve seen guys change it around by getting lean first and then slowly bulking like Oskar Farkrog, who started off far worse and weaker than me. At this point i’m very much open to the possibility of using SARMs, but if i can gain 20lbs muscle without raping my liver, that’d be better.

I feel u dawg id say my genes are average so I feel your pain. Me personally I started off fat but I starved myself to a stick before I started lifting. But when u bulk as a big back at heart u gain way more fat bc u have more fat cels. Considering u have the combination of the 2 it’ll prop take at least 2 years to achieve the results u want. I say go on sarms rn bc it’s gonna be EXTREMELY hard to cut to 13% with no muscle.

 

[mogtivism]

I feel u dawg id say my genes are average so I feel your pain. Me personally I started off fat but I starved myself to a stick before I started lifting. But when u bulk as a big back at heart u gain way more fat bc u have more fat cels. Considering u have the combination of the 2 it’ll prop take at least 2 years to achieve the results u want. I say go on sarms rn bc it’s gonna be EXTREMELY hard to cut to 13% with no muscle.

I’ve been having success cutting from above 30% bodyfat to 22% now in like 2 months and I’m still going. 700 calorie deficit + steady state cardio + lifting 5x a week does wonders. At this point it’s mostly a game of willpower but if i stall before 13% bodyfat so hard i cannot lose more weight or have to get on a shitty super low calorie diet, i’d consider clenbuterol.

Rad140 seems like a better idea once i start the bulk, to take advantage of the extra calories in-order to build muscle.

Starving yourself to a stick was despite what everyone would tell you probably the best thing you did. You cleared off all the fat which was lowering testosterone, destroying insulin sensitivity, thus allowing you to build hella muscle even if it came with crazy fat gain. Bulking from a high body fat is the worst shit you can do speaking from experience.