New stack trying to keep gp open, open to help. Im 14, 5' 6" 135lbs

[socks]

15-20 Weeks

80 Test C

50mg primo, may add more lmk if u think its beneficial

150 tren

200 mast, may up dose but shit is expensive

Anastrozole 0.25mg 1-2x weekly (increase to 0.5mg if high E2 symptoms appear)

HCG 250 IU 3x week

Ghk-Cu 2mg daily

mt2 titrating to maintenance dose

Citrus Bergamot 1200 mg ED

Cod Liver Oil 2000 mg ED

Pct(lmk what to add/change)

Tamox Weeks 1–2: 20 mg Weeks 3–4: 10 mg Daily
might add enclo idk


Trying to keep my growth plates open, open to recommendations pls help

 

[emo-ogre666]

Bro. Your genetics are not in your favor, this stack will not make any difference unless you are a hyper responder; and that is extremely rare. Like REALLY fucking rare. Just see how tall you are by 16 then consider this.

 

[worstgenetics]

14 and 5'6 lmao you're just cooking yourself

 

[worstgenetics]

Bro. Your genetics are not in your favor, this stack will not make any difference unless you are a hyper responder; and that is extremely rare. Like REALLY fucking rare. Just see how tall you are by 16 then consider this.

actually have to agree with you

try to get to at least AVERAGE height before hopping on this shit

 

[socks]

actually have to agree with you

try to get to at least AVERAGE height before hopping on this shit

why, mast tren and primo all are non aromatizing, its not like they will fuck my height, thats why my test dose is so low, but thanks for ur help

 

[worstgenetics]

why, mast tren and primo all are non aromatizing, its not like they will fuck my height, thats why my test dose is so low, but thanks for ur help

just be careful jigga

 

[deltox]

blast ACTH

 

[birthdefect]

15-20 Weeks

80 Test C

50mg primo, may add more lmk if u think its beneficial

150 tren

200 mast, may up dose but shit is expensive

Anastrozole 0.25mg 1-2x weekly (increase to 0.5mg if high E2 symptoms appear)

HCG 250 IU 3x week

Ghk-Cu 2mg daily

mt2 titrating to maintenance dose

Citrus Bergamot 1200 mg ED

Cod Liver Oil 2000 mg ED

Pct(lmk what to add/change)

Tamox Weeks 1–2: 20 mg Weeks 3–4: 10 mg Daily
might add enclo idk


Trying to keep my growth plates open, open to recommendations pls help

i dnrd tbh
use enclo over tamox

 

[socks]

bump

 

[Aqualad]

Bro what

Isn’t it literally common info that anabolics will stunt your growth

Just do HGH and AI

 

[birthdefect]

Bro what

Isn’t it literally common info that anabolics will stunt your growth

Just do HGH and AI

zagro and stacyslayer are both using androgens as well
zagro said the mechanism in which androgens affect chondrocyte maturation is negligible compared to e2, but i dont know the reason behind this as oxandrolone, even tho its minimally androgenic, still can rape your bone age
but you can most likely still microdose some androgens, such as oxandrolone or halotestin, and reap the reward of increased virilisation and height velocity increase while most likely having a negligible impact on bone age

 

[birthdefect]

15-20 Weeks

80 Test C

50mg primo, may add more lmk if u think its beneficial

150 tren

200 mast, may up dose but shit is expensive

Anastrozole 0.25mg 1-2x weekly (increase to 0.5mg if high E2 symptoms appear)

HCG 250 IU 3x week

Ghk-Cu 2mg daily

mt2 titrating to maintenance dose

Citrus Bergamot 1200 mg ED

Cod Liver Oil 2000 mg ED

Pct(lmk what to add/change)

Tamox Weeks 1–2: 20 mg Weeks 3–4: 10 mg Daily
might add enclo idk


Trying to keep my growth plates open, open to recommendations pls help

wait why is bhai not using hgh, literally the bare minimum to start this tbh

 

[socks]

bump

wait why is bhai not using hgh, literally the bare minimum to start this tbh

too broke

 

[birthdefect]

bump

too broke

get rid of the androgens and use gh instead, significantly higher roi while being far less risky

 

[Aqualad]

zagro and stacyslayer are both using androgens as well
zagro said the mechanism in which androgens affect chondrocyte maturation is negligible compared to e2, but i dont know the reason behind this as oxandrolone, even tho its minimally androgenic, still can rape your bone age
but you can most likely still microdose some androgens, such as oxandrolone or halotestin, and reap the reward of increased virilisation and height velocity increase while most likely having a negligible impact on bone age

Ah yes zagro and stacyslayer said it so it must be true

trying to keep your growth plates open by running random androgens (no hgh?) is contradictory

zagro said the mechanism in which androgens affect chondrocyte maturation is negligible compared to e2,

advancing bone age without fusion still shortens your growth window so I dont know what youre getting at with this no hate

such as oxandrolone or halotestin

halotestin is one of the most bone age advancing compounds ever created

A small androgen signal over weeks or months can advance bone age just as reliably as a larger signal over a shorter window as far as im aware when it comes to microdosing

 

[birthdefect]

Ah yes zagro and stacyslayer said it so it must be true

trying to keep your growth plates open by running random androgens (no hgh?) is contradictory


advancing bone age without fusion still shortens your growth window so I dont know what youre getting at with this no hate


halotestin is one of the most bone age advancing compounds ever created

A small androgen signal over weeks or months can advance bone age just as reliably as a larger signal over a shorter window as far as im aware when it comes to microdosing

both halo and var are shown to increase height velocity, and in one study (in iss patients as well) halo was able to add 6 cm to final adult height
i dont see why microdosing and making sure height velocity outpaces bone aging would work
and btw i was disagreeing with zagro and stacyslayer, i agree with you that its too risky to use androgens because they advance bone age and force chondrocytes to hypertrophy faster

 

[Aqualad]

both halo and var are shown to increase height velocity, and in one study (in iss patients as well) halo was able to add 6 cm to final adult height
i dont see why microdosing and making sure height velocity outpaces bone aging would work
and btw i was disagreeing with zagro and stacyslayer, i agree with you that its too risky to use androgens because they advance bone age and force chondrocytes to hypertrophy faster

Ok first of all please send me the study that shows Halo increases height because I have not seen it (Im not saying youre lying but i genuinely never heard of this in any of my research)

As for anavar I think we've read the same studies and I think you misinterpreted them a bit
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2584350
In this study theyre examining boys with delay of growth, and it did show that height velocity was increased during the treatment (aka how fast the boys were growing) but when they follow up to adult height it showed it didnt change final height compared with controls
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21493672/
This study was on boys with turner syndrome and it did show increases in final height but the anavar was in combination with growth hormone and estrogen modulation which Imo doesnt tell us much about anavar itself but its debatable

On top of this both studies show bone age advanced fast which reduces final height potential

most importantly tho op is a retarded kid that doesnt know what hes doing whereas these studies are controlled clinical trials

tldr i get the idea but I think theres not enough info yet. I would personally stick with hgh and ai

 

[birthdefect]

Ok first of all please send me the study that shows Halo increases height because I have not seen it (Im not saying youre lying but i genuinely never heard of this in any of my research)

As for anavar I think we've read the same studies and I think you misinterpreted them a bit
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2584350
In this study theyre examining boys with delay of growth, and it did show that height velocity was increased during the treatment (aka how fast the boys were growing) but when they follow up to adult height it showed it didnt change final height compared with controls
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21493672/
This study was on boys with turner syndrome and it did show increases in final height but the anavar was in combination with growth hormone and estrogen modulation which Imo doesnt tell us much about anavar itself but its debatable

On top of this both studies show bone age advanced fast which reduces final height potential

most importantly tho op is a retarded kid that doesnt know what hes doing whereas these studies are controlled clinical trials

tldr i get the idea but I think theres not enough info yet. I would personally stick with hgh and ai

valid conclusion, i saw a thread on here thats where i found it from

Long-term results of treatment with low-dose fluoxymesterone in constitutional delay of growth and puberty and in genetic short stature - PubMed

This prospective study was designed to assess growth response, side effects, other possible long-term effects, and final adult height in boys treated with the oral androgen, fluoxymesterone. From 1973 to 1984, eighty-two short boys (71 with constitutional delay of growth and puberty [CDGP] and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

its perfectly ok if var only works in combination with gh and an ai, i never thought of it as something that would increase final adult height on its own, just a good compound to add for synergy

 

[0ptimized]

15-20 Weeks

80 Test C

50mg primo, may add more lmk if u think its beneficial

150 tren

200 mast, may up dose but shit is expensive

Anastrozole 0.25mg 1-2x weekly (increase to 0.5mg if high E2 symptoms appear)

HCG 250 IU 3x week

Ghk-Cu 2mg daily

mt2 titrating to maintenance dose

Citrus Bergamot 1200 mg ED

Cod Liver Oil 2000 mg ED

Pct(lmk what to add/change)

Tamox Weeks 1–2: 20 mg Weeks 3–4: 10 mg Daily
might add enclo idk


Trying to keep my growth plates open, open to recommendations pls help

"trying to keep growth plates open" this shit will rape all your vertical plates, and you didn't even add HGH in your cycle?