No clear winner: filler vs infraorbital implants

[oganthropologist]

Both seem to potentially require constant revision and long term fuck up of face.

Infra-orbital implants, typically touted as a permanent fix with superior aesthetics, can require 2-3 revisions to get right (sample forum source here). These revisions over time can drive soft tissue damage to one's face.

The negative effects of fillers are highlighted in almost every post, which are primarily 1) migration, and 2) bloated look from adding more over time. While this sucks, there seems to be potential to mitigate those effects by applying conservatively and molding to the precise shape needed from the start.

Would love commentary from folks who have researched both paths and decided to go with one or the other.

Particularly if you've had filler in this region for a prolonged period of time, or are a happy implant patient.

 

[oganthropologist]

Link to the post I was referencing: https://looksmax.org/threads/infraorbital-malar-implants-cost.1117932/

 

[kimnga]

Both seem to potentially require constant revision and long term fuck up of face.

Infra-orbital implants, typically touted as a permanent fix with superior aesthetics, can require 2-3 revisions to get right (sample forum source here). These revisions over time can drive soft tissue damage to one's face.

The negative effects of fillers are highlighted in almost every post, which are primarily 1) migration, and 2) bloated look from adding more over time. While this sucks, there seems to be potential to mitigate those effects by applying conservatively and molding to the precise shape needed from the start.

Would love commentary from folks who have researched both paths and decided to go with one or the other.

Particularly if you've had filler in this region for a prolonged period of time, or are a happy implant patient.

always implants, fillers are shit

 

[ltn_looksminner]

always implants, fillers are shi

Did u even read the post

 

[ltn_looksminner]

Yeah i agree , implants are too good to be true typa thing

 

[genes_reroll]

I've talked to many guys that had or considered implants and most of the times they have some issue that get it removed sooner or later and/or they don't like the result.

My take is to get fillers , you dont need more than 2ml in that area in the worst case anyway and it will last ages.
And btw migration is not really a thing unless your injector fucks up , they just flatten, still better than having subhuman under eyes tho and if it looks shit you can dissolve it relatively easy with ultra sound guided hyaluronidase. However do ur research because there are very few doctors that understand how male midface should be filled.

 

[oganthropologist]

I've talked to many guys that had or considered implants and most of the times they have some issue that get it removed sooner or later and/or they don't like the result.

My take is to get fillers , you dont need more than 2ml in that area in the worst case anyway and it will last ages.
And btw migration is not really a thing unless your injector fucks up , they just flatten, still better than having subhuman under eyes tho and if it looks shit you can dissolve it relatively easy with ultra sound guided hyaluronidase. However do ur research because there are very few doctors that understand how male midface should be filled.

Damn what is the main reason they get it removed? So many tout it as the S tier solution but potentially at risk parity with other fixes

 

[tweaqo]

Fat transfer mogs

 

[genes_reroll]

Damn what is the main reason they get it removed? So many tout it as the S tier solution but potentially at risk parity with other fixes

For the infra-malar implant mainly visible edges but solvable with fat grafting, the skin doesn't adapt to the implant causing unnatural stretching and in some cases more scleral show.
I also think that covering the implant with fat is not ideal at all since im getting an implant to get bony definition , atp it won't be that different from a filler i guess but i can't speak surely about this.

 

[oganthropologist]

For the infra-malar implant mainly visible edges but solvable with fat grafting, the skin doesn't adapt to the implant causing unnatural stretching and in some cases more scleral show.
I also think that covering the implant with fat is not ideal at all since im getting an implant to get bony definition , atp it won't be that different from a filler i guess but i can't speak surely about this.

Thanks for the reply.

Anyone on here solve this with filler?

 

[chrishell]

For the infra-malar implant mainly visible edges but solvable with fat grafting, the skin doesn't adapt to the implant causing unnatural stretching and in some cases more scleral show.
I also think that covering the implant with fat is not ideal at all since im getting an implant to get bony definition , atp it won't be that different from a filler i guess but i can't speak surely about this.

It will be fine if fat grafting is done well

 

[chrishell]

You just have to weigh the pros and cons of each route. Only you can come to a decision on what pros and what cons matter to you. otherwise you risk getting swayed too much by a single or handful of hyperbolic reviews in favor of either route.

Now, I can only speak to infrazygo implants but:

Implants
Pros: permanent
Cons: 50% revision rate even with best designers and surgeons. general lack of interest from surgeons in doing an excellent job with implants. needs 2-3 rounds of fat grafting if peek. midface lift or lower blepharoplasty in some cases, especially if replacement implant is a downsizing. total cost 50k+. Those who get right on first try and without additional procedures are a minority. lack of consistency and or professionalism among designers and surgeons' secretaries. risk of temporary vision impairment if implant is misplaced. aesthetic issues of misplacement in general. risk of nerve injuries if intraoral placement. risk of eyelid isues like ectropion if transconjunvtival. needs upkeep as you age and fat sags and atrophies resulting in more implant reveal (maybe you won't care by age 60 though)

Fillers
Pros: cheap, relatively easy to reverse, generally look more natural more often, more surgeons have more experience with it
Cons: have to redo routinely. risk of migration. more surgeries = higher risk of complications in general


For example, me, I prefer the implant route because I really weigh highly the Permanent aspect. It outweighs the long list of cons. May not apply to others. But applies to me. At this point, the question then becomes asking people to weigh pros and cons for you. But that should always be done by YOU and no one else

 

[oganthropologist]

You just have to weigh the pros and cons of each route. Only you can come to a decision on what pros and what cons matter to you. otherwise you risk getting swayed too much by a single or handful of hyperbolic reviews in favor of either route.

Now, I can only speak to infrazygo implants but:

Implants
Pros: permanent
Cons: 50% revision rate even with best designers and surgeons. general lack of interest from surgeons in doing an excellent job with implants. needs 2-3 rounds of fat grafting if peek. midface lift or lower blepharoplasty in some cases, especially if replacement implant is a downsizing. total cost 50k+. Those who get right on first try and without additional procedures are a minority. lack of consistency and or professionalism among designers and surgeons' secretaries. risk of temporary vision impairment if implant is misplaced. aesthetic issues of misplacement in general. risk of nerve injuries if intraoral placement. risk of eyelid isues like ectropion if transconjunvtival. needs upkeep as you age and fat sags and atrophies resulting in more implant reveal (maybe you won't care by age 60 though)

Fillers
Pros: cheap, relatively easy to reverse, generally look more natural more often, more surgeons have more experience with it
Cons: have to redo routinely. risk of migration. more surgeries = higher risk of complications in general


For example, me, I prefer the implant route because I really weigh highly the Permanent aspect. It outweighs the long list of cons. May not apply to others. But applies to me. At this point, the question then becomes asking people to weigh pros and cons for you. But that should always be done by YOU and no one else

Thank you for the detailed response.
Out of curiosity - why do you highly weigh the permanent aspect?

If you had unlimited money, would that change anything?

 

[chrishell]

Thank you for the detailed response.
Out of curiosity - why do you highly weigh the permanent aspect?

If you had unlimited money, would that change anything?

If I had unlimited money, I would still prefer implants. About the permanent aspect, for me it's mainly psychological if anything. I don't like the idea of being reliant on repeated procedures to maintain my appearance. With an implant I get to feel as if I "exist" with a better face. Which isn't a very strong and objective reason to cancel out all those cons, admittedly, but I'm still drawn to it. It is a bit irrational, to be honest. It's also part intuition--the exact data just isn't there on exactly how often the fillers migrate, how bad implants might look after 30 years, etc. It's just your intuition and surgeons telling you some barely-founded unscientific intuitions on it. What little data exists isn't that reliant since surgeons have reason to want to present higher rates of success in scientific papers than exists in reality.

 

[Devon]

Both seem to potentially require constant revision and long term fuck up of face.

Infra-orbital implants, typically touted as a permanent fix with superior aesthetics, can require 2-3 revisions to get right (sample forum source here). These revisions over time can drive soft tissue damage to one's face.

The negative effects of fillers are highlighted in almost every post, which are primarily 1) migration, and 2) bloated look from adding more over time. While this sucks, there seems to be potential to mitigate those effects by applying conservatively and molding to the precise shape needed from the start.

Would love commentary from folks who have researched both paths and decided to go with one or the other.

Particularly if you've had filler in this region for a prolonged period of time, or are a happy implant patient.

Literally just complete waffle, fillers look shit ofc unless it’s like a very minor correction

 

[Devon]

@chrishell im loving the spread of misinformation keep going and hopefully the tiktokcels will believe you and treat you like a looksmax messiah

 

[chrishell]

@chrishell im loving the spread of misinformation keep going and hopefully the tiktokcels will believe you and treat you like a looksmax messiah

Hi Devon. What's misinformation here? I'm happy to clarify any ambiguities!

Thanks,
chrishell

 

[MogEater]

If I had unlimited money, I would still prefer implants. About the permanent aspect, for me it's mainly psychological if anything. I don't like the idea of being reliant on repeated procedures to maintain my appearance. With an implant I get to feel as if I "exist" with a better face. Which isn't a very strong and objective reason to cancel out all those cons, admittedly, but I'm still drawn to it. It is a bit irrational, to be honest. It's also part intuition--the exact data just isn't there on exactly how often the fillers migrate, how bad implants might look after 30 years, etc. It's just your intuition and surgeons telling you some barely-founded unscientific intuitions on it. What little data exists isn't that reliant since surgeons have reason to want to present higher rates of success in scientific papers than exists in reality.

fat transfer?

 

[MogEater]

Literally just complete waffle, fillers look shit ofc unless it’s like a very minor correction

cope

 

[oganthropologist]

@chrishell im loving the spread of misinformation keep going and hopefully the tiktokcels will believe you and treat you like a looksmax messiah

What exactly are you referring to here?

 

[esoterik]

am i reading this correctly? post:rep ratio is one of the best indicator of a retard, so shouldnt be mad

 

[oganthropologist]

am i reading this correctly? post:rep ratio is one of the best indicator of a retard, so shouldnt be mad


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Let's hear your opinion

 

[zemult]

@chrishell im loving the spread of misinformation keep going and hopefully the tiktokcels will believe you and treat you like a looksmax messiah

You're talking to someone who's actually gotten these implants done whilst you mentally masturbate about LF3 and OBO

 

[zemult]

You just have to weigh the pros and cons of each route. Only you can come to a decision on what pros and what cons matter to you. otherwise you risk getting swayed too much by a single or handful of hyperbolic reviews in favor of either route.

Now, I can only speak to infrazygo implants but:

Implants
Pros: permanent
Cons: 50% revision rate even with best designers and surgeons. general lack of interest from surgeons in doing an excellent job with implants. needs 2-3 rounds of fat grafting if peek. midface lift or lower blepharoplasty in some cases, especially if replacement implant is a downsizing. total cost 50k+. Those who get right on first try and without additional procedures are a minority. lack of consistency and or professionalism among designers and surgeons' secretaries. risk of temporary vision impairment if implant is misplaced. aesthetic issues of misplacement in general. risk of nerve injuries if intraoral placement. risk of eyelid isues like ectropion if transconjunvtival. needs upkeep as you age and fat sags and atrophies resulting in more implant reveal (maybe you won't care by age 60 though)

Fillers
Pros: cheap, relatively easy to reverse, generally look more natural more often, more surgeons have more experience with it
Cons: have to redo routinely. risk of migration. more surgeries = higher risk of complications in general


For example, me, I prefer the implant route because I really weigh highly the Permanent aspect. It outweighs the long list of cons. May not apply to others. But applies to me. At this point, the question then becomes asking people to weigh pros and cons for you. But that should always be done by YOU and no one else

What about jaw angle implants, do you have any experience with them?

 

[Devon]

Hi Devon. What's misinformation here? I'm happy to clarify any ambiguities!

Thanks,
chrishell

This guy bro

Bro has a sign off on org there’s 0 chance this guys not trolling atp

 

[Devon]

What about jaw angle implants, do you have any experience with them?

The biggest risk with fillers is that they’ll look shit because the chance of that is 100%

 

[zemult]

The biggest risk with fillers is that they’ll look shit because the chance of that is 100%

They look the best and most natural in the short term, but you get more and more botched in the long term

 

[Devon]

You're talking to someone who's actually gotten these implants done whilst you mentally masturbate about LF3 and OBO

I already have enough money to do that shit btw it’s just I’m not coping and actually trying to hardmaxx the right way not just gain the .5 psl that everyone gets from bimax and implants

 

[Devon]

They look the best and most natural in the short term, but you get more and more botched in the long term

This is according to what exactly ?

 

[oganthropologist]

If I had unlimited money, I would still prefer implants. About the permanent aspect, for me it's mainly psychological if anything. I don't like the idea of being reliant on repeated procedures to maintain my appearance. With an implant I get to feel as if I "exist" with a better face. Which isn't a very strong and objective reason to cancel out all those cons, admittedly, but I'm still drawn to it. It is a bit irrational, to be honest. It's also part intuition--the exact data just isn't there on exactly how often the fillers migrate, how bad implants might look after 30 years, etc. It's just your intuition and surgeons telling you some barely-founded unscientific intuitions on it. What little data exists isn't that reliant since surgeons have reason to want to present higher rates of success in scientific papers than exists in reality.

Hi Devon - who do you plan on going to for these implants / top tier in your opinion?

 

[oganthropologist]

Btw I assume fat grafts are out of the question for this?

 

[Devon]

Hi Devon - who do you plan on going to for these implants / top tier in your opinion?

Giant

Btw I assume fat grafts are out of the question for this?

depends obv but probably yeah

 

[cyrillic]

Both seem to potentially require constant revision and long term fuck up of face.

Infra-orbital implants, typically touted as a permanent fix with superior aesthetics, can require 2-3 revisions to get right (sample forum source here). These revisions over time can drive soft tissue damage to one's face.

The negative effects of fillers are highlighted in almost every post, which are primarily 1) migration, and 2) bloated look from adding more over time. While this sucks, there seems to be potential to mitigate those effects by applying conservatively and molding to the precise shape needed from the start.

Would love commentary from folks who have researched both paths and decided to go with one or the other.

Particularly if you've had filler in this region for a prolonged period of time, or are a happy implant patient.

I have shitty infras most of the time the issue is coloring not the lack of protrusion itself so really the best solution is neither; shit like coffee creams and bb cream and volufiline should work well enough

 

[Devon]

@chrishell are you the obese guy who went to pag?

 

[Devon]

I have shitty infras most of the time the issue is coloring not the lack of protrusion itself so really the best solution is neither; shit like coffee creams and bb cream and volufiline should work well enough

Share orbital vector

 

[cyrillic]

Share orbital vector

 

[Devon]

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Everything needs more anterior depth and projection

 

[cyrillic]

Everything needs more anterior depth and projection

It doesn’t really matter I’m Htn and more projection would look weird on me I feel

 

[Devon]

It doesn’t really matter I’m Htn and more projection would look weird on me I feel

Copers will cope

 

[cyrillic]

Copers will cope

There’s nothing to cope for I was rated Htn on this very forum like a day ago

 

[Devon]

There’s nothing to cope for I was rated Htn on this very forum like a day ago

Your a normie and like all normies you lack something which I’ve hinted at but due to a respectful users opinion I’m unable to delve into this and you’ll have to do your own research

 

[cyrillic]

Your a normie and like all normies you lack something which I’ve hinted at but due to a respectful users opinion I’m unable to delve into this and you’ll have to do your own research

Jfl at you thinking that my having no anterior projection/facial depth specifically is what’s keeping me away from being lite; if this were really the case then the models this forum puts above all would all be capped at Htn too

 

[medialcanthus]

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asian maxilla

 

[Devon]

Jfl at you thinking that my having no anterior projection/facial depth specifically is what’s keeping me away from being lite; if this were really the case then the models this forum puts above all would all be capped at Htn too

May I ask what you believe it is then?

 

[cyrillic]

May I ask what you believe it is then?

It’s mostly a matter of my eye spacing and the midface ratio as well as the actual level of bone development mostly in the zygomatic region but also broadly elsewhere

 

[cyrillic]

@Devon what would you think my flaw is

 

[iblamemygenes]

It doesn’t really matter I’m Htn and more projection would look weird on me I feel

Hard to believe ur htn based off that pic, send ur face