Normies fundamentally do not understand why men are incels, and why they are not qualified to give them advice

[Celt]

I see it all the time. An incel, usually neurodivergent, posts about their struggles with dating and experiencing loneliness.

A flood of normies will come flooding into the comments to either give the most nothingburger nuggets of advice (which are either water or absolute cope). Just go outside bro. Learn to talk to women. Go to the gym. Get a haircut. Go to bars. Get your money up. Etc.

These normies, notably, have never had to overcome these struggles. Mind you, I’m not talking about chads here, but normal men- neurotypical, avg looks and height, no major mental health issues with health social lives. They likely had a girlfriend in high school, have had somewhat regular access to casual sex with women in their “league” and most notably, never had to “self-improve” to attain this. It just happened naturally.

They are not giving you advice that worked for them, they’re just regurgitating talking points they hear from everyone else. They didn’t go from incel to slayer by doing any of that, and nobody has, its just a preprogrammed response.

You see, what divides incels and normies isn’t a number or a particular failo or anything like that. It is simply, did these life milestones come naturally to you? Did you naturally just fall into relationships, random hookups, maintained a constant vibrant social life?

A brutal pill we must swallow is that our situation is not the norm. Delusional trucels try to tell me that 90% of men are getting no sex and are involuntarily celibate, but this belief is not grounded in reality. “Normal” men just get it, they aren’t on some unending quest to get laid and finally “ascend”. It just happens.

Excessive exposure to blackpill content from a young age (like in most of the 13-15yos here) might ironically be poisoning a small contingent of these men into the mental state of an incel, when they would have attained these milestones naturally. Which is why I truly believe life should blackpill you before you consider dwelling in these kinds of spaces- if you haven’t experienced it in your own life, don’t try to “educate” yourself on it, it will only be to your detriment.

The reason why femcels do not exist is because this phenomenon does not happen to women, they never need to “self-improve” to get access to sex from men. Sure, a little glow-up might improve the calibre of man they attract, but even a fat, unhygienic girl will have a line of men willing to fuck her if she puts herself out there.

Inceldom as a life circumstance is simply the result of an abused dog mindset (inhibition, low self-esteem and neuroticisim) acquired at a young age, combined with not having a high enough smv to negate this. Yes, there is almost no such thing as a mentalcel chad, but you’re probably capped at MTN-HTN, which likely won’t be enough if you can’t get over what truly separates you from normies.

I don’t have a guidebook to sell you on how to get over your mindset because I’ve only incrementally improved upon it myself. But its a matter of getting enough positive reinforcement to break down the mental trappings that ensnare you. Getting out of your comfort zone enough to lower your inhibition. Learning enough about how to interact with social situations and mask (not possible for everyone, if you’re too neurodivergent to mask its over and you are objectively a trucel). And just getting enough experience with a “normal” life to get yourself out of the hole you’ve gradually dug yourself into.

It isn’t linear, I’ve went forwards and backwards. Being pretty isolated during the summer, away from my somewhat nt university social life and having some damaging life circumstances occur has made me noticeably regress. But if you want to get anywhere you have to persevere, or just surrender to volceldom. It is a sisyphean task and it’s all the more painful when you realise that normies never had to try, whilst your own life is a constant struggle just to attain what comes naturally to them. But life was never going to be fair.

 

[Celt]

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[Slavurik]

A flood of normies will come flooding into the comments to either give the most nothingburger nuggets of advice (which are either water or absolute cope). Just go outside bro. Learn to talk to women. Go to the gym. Get a haircut. Go to bars. Get your money up. Etc.

I mean ur mostly right, but in order to get women looks is not the only factor, u can be attractive and tall but if ur an ND that scared of women it will be still harder than for some normie NT with avg looks and height.
But if u will go outside, improve urself, try to talk to women and overcome urself u will be already above others.

Look at Clav, even before he was popular, when he was a bloated gymcel he got dozens of women to sleep with him while he was a weird autist with no social skills, if ur low-inhib enough and ur not scared to talk or coldapproach and have some skills then ur already above 90% of men. Ofc for NDs and incels it is harder but genuinely u always can if u will try hard enough and improve urself

 

[truedexy]

Good thread

 

[Whatever]

I’d say just stop going to whatever website you’re reading this stuff on, or at least look at the date. 5-10 years ago maybe this was true, but now, things have changed, lots of people are not having sex and inceldom/celibacy is much more normalized.

 

[Celt]

I’d say just stop going to whatever website you’re reading this stuff on, or at least look at the date. 5-10 years ago maybe but now, things have changed, lots of people are not having sex and inceldom/celibacy is much more normalized.

I’m saying this as someone who has been intentionally “touching grass” all the time. I used to believe my circumstance was the norm because I hung out in an incel friend group

Most of these nt normal dudes have extensive experience. Even manlets, ltns etc. Yes there is a looks hierarchy but the avg man has access to women of a similar looks level. The difference is, there is no incel class of women, and the “chad” class of men experience extensive sexual success

 

[Celt]

I mean ur mostly right, but in order to get women looks is not the only factor, u can be attractive and tall but if ur an ND that scared of women it will be still harder than for some normie NT with avg looks and height.
But if u will go outside, improve urself, try to talk to women and overcome urself u will be already above others.

If you read until the end you’d see I got at that. But your “improvements” must be targeted at your particular mental illness (inceldom, I’d argue, is almost a mental illness in and of itself unless you are truly subhuman physically)

Look at Clav, even before he was popular, when he was a bloated gymcel he got dozens of women to sleep with him while he was a weird autist with no social skills, if ur low-inhib enough and ur not scared to talk or coldapproach and have some skills then ur already above 90% of men. Ofc for NDs and incels it is harder but genuinely u always can if u will try hard enough and improve urself

Yes exactly. Clav escaped inceldom pretty early, if he ever was one. You cannot be ultra low inhib and an incel

 

[Slavurik]

If you read until the end you’d see I got at that. But your “improvements” must be targeted at your particular mental illness (inceldom, I’d argue, is almost a mental illness in and of itself unless you are truly subhuman physically)

Yes exactly. Clav escaped inceldom pretty early, if he ever was one. You cannot be ultra low inhib and an incel

Yeah, incels on here are mostly mentally ill, for them it is not about looks or height, u can always find a looksmatch or someone that likes u anyway, when I was in HS I saw 5'4 skinny-fat normies getting LTR's (obv with women that look accordingly), but yet, even people like that always can, I also saw some blonde tall dudes with green eyes and good body remaining virgins bcs they were struggling with their social skills, and they were NTs, when ur an ND it is even worse.

I saw threads of people here overanalyzing some random girl looking on them on the street for half a second or generally overanalyzing meaningless shit, ultra high-inhibition and overthinking, while some low-inhib dude would come up to a random girl and just will start talk to her with confidence and get her. I mean as a man u most likely have to make the first step and be confident, even if a woman likes u she will not most likely approach u, for them the "first step" is just sending IOIs or some shit like that. NDs and incels are too scared to make a move and they remain virgins, while some ugly mfs with low-inhib and high conf coming up to these gals, bcs they genuinely dgaf and just do what they want, and those men get the most girls. Bcs they just don't give a fuck.

Another example is Andrew Tate, he was poor asf for most of his life, chopped facially and bald, and even before he reached "success" he had multiple gfs and women in his environment, just bcs he didn't give a fuck and just did whatever he liked.

 

[Celt]

Yeah, incels on here are mostly mentally ill, for them it is not about looks or height, u can always find a looksmatch or someone that likes u anyway, when I was in HS I saw 5'4 skinny-fat normies getting LTR's (obv with women that look accordingly), but yet, even people like that always can, I also saw some blonde tall dudes with green eyes and good body remaining virgins bcs they were struggling with their social skills, and they were NTs, when ur an ND it is even worse.

I saw threads of people here overanalyzing some random girl looking on them on the street for half a second or generally overanalyzing meaningless shit, ultra high-inhibition and overthinking, while some low-inhib dude would come up to a random girl and just will start talk to her with confidence and get her. I mean as a man u most likely have to make the first step and be confident, even if a woman likes u she will not most likely approach u, for them the "first step" is just sending IOIs or some shit like that. NDs and incels are too scared to make a move and they remain virgins, while some ugly mfs with low-inhib and high conf coming up to these gals, bcs they genuinely dgaf and just do what they want, and those men get the most girls. Bcs they just don't give a fuck.

Another example is Andrew Tate, he was poor asf for most of his life, chopped facially and bald, and even before he reached "success" he had multiple gfs and women in his environment, just bcs he didn't give a fuck and just did whatever he liked.

This thread was in many ways about me tbh I only lost my khhv status (pretty much all within weeks) at like 19. I’m attractive enough to slay when I have enough drugs (a lot) to lower my inhibition but I’ve still never had an LTR at almost 21 its brutal shit.

Its just a combination of neurodivergence, abused dog syndrome and general mental illness, and just never getting any experience at a young age to set you on the right track. and I’m like HMTN on a good day, 6’3”, gymmaxxed. for me maybe it began as looks (late puberty, grew up fat, then starved myself for a year and was super skinny) but in the end it was my own mind, and still is.

 

[Slavurik]

This thread was in many ways about me tbh I only lost my khhv status (pretty much all within weeks) at like 19. I’m attractive enough to slay when I have enough drugs (a lot) to lower my inhibition but I’ve still never had an LTR at almost 21 its brutal shit.

Its just a combination of neurodivergence, abused dog syndrome and general mental illness, and just never getting any experience at a young age to set you on the right track. and I’m like HMTN on a good day, 6’3”, gymmaxxed. for me maybe it began as looks (late puberty, grew up fat, then starved myself for a year and was super skinny) but in the end it was my own mind, and still is.

I am at a similar point, I am a white 18 yo and 6'4, athletic and MTN range, mb higher bcs I live in a country where the avg height is like 5'9 for men and most of them are brown MENAs, so basically I am probably on the top PSL for my country.

Had men and women approaching and complimenting me during all my life, but still it does not help when ur an ND and socially awkward and isolated. Like I saw people that are 5'7 and look worse than me getting in LTR or just get girls bcs they were low-inhib NTs, while I was struggling. I never hitted on women during my life and iniciated anything, and also rejected everyone that approached me or invited me on dates bcs I was too shy/scared, so literally my fault.

 

[Whatever]

I’m saying this as someone who has been intentionally “touching grass” all the time. I used to believe my circumstance was the norm because I hung out in an incel friend group

Most of these nt normal dudes have extensive experience. Even manlets, ltns etc. Yes there is a looks hierarchy but the avg man has access to women of a similar looks level. The difference is, there is no incel class of women, and the “chad” class of men experience extensive sexual success

I didn’t say that manlets and LTNs have no experience or no access to women, although from my experience in different types of friend groups I will say that larping or exaggerating that is part of being an “nt normal dude”. They get much more attention than actual sex from everything I’ve seen.

But what I really said is that the number of people “who haven’t had sex in the past year” or something like that is skyrocketing, every statistic and study shows this, and public attitudes are catching up to this new reality.