thats not what I meant. Do you really think I replied to your thread just for lols? seriosly please use your 4 braincels and figure out what I was hinting at
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Maybe you can explain what you mean?thats not what I meant. Do you really think I replied to your thread just for lols? seriosly please use your 4 braincels and figure out what I was hinting at
nose is not only bone
, nose shape is genetic , but also maxila plays a role, However, it's not a direct rule, i mean bad maxila doesn't necessarily mean a bad nose, and bad nose doesn't necessarily mean bad maxila
Nice post bro, high iqO formato do seu nariz não é determinado pela "genética nasal". Ele é moldado pela forma como sua maxila se projeta.
Os ossos e cartilagens nasais se apoiam na maxila como um telhado sobre uma casa.
Mostrarei diferentes exemplos com modelagens faciais enquanto explico como a maxila os molda. Essas modelagens nem sempre são uma reprodução exata do desenvolvimento facial na vida real, mas servem para dar uma ideia visual clara de como a maxila influencia diretamente o nariz.
Tomemos Gandy como exemplo: ele tem um nariz adunco, caracterizado por uma ponte nasal proeminente que se curva para baixo, muitas vezes apresentando uma ponta caída .
O nariz adunco é causado por uma maxila com maior projeção superior em relação à maxila inferior. A maxila superior projeta a ponte nasal para a frente, enquanto a maxila inferior, relativamente mais fraca, não consegue sustentar a ponta adequadamente, resultando na queda da ponta e, consequentemente, no nariz adunco.
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Mais maxila inferior = rotação da ponta do nariz para cima e nariz mais reto para Gandy.
O impulso para a frente sustenta a ponte nasal que cresce para a frente, causada pela maxila superior.
É por isso que as pessoas que fazem a cirurgia de reposicionamento do maxilar (movimento da área Le Fort I para a frente, o que lhes proporciona maior projeção da maxila inferior) passam de narizes aduncos para retos ou de retos para arrebitados.
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Isso facilita o entendimento para todos os tipos de nariz.
Nariz arrebitado = Maxila inferior mais bem projetada que a superior. Vamos ver o que acontece se dermos ao Chico mais projeção na maxila superior, mas mantivermos a maxila inferior inalterada.
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E se diminuirmos a projeção da maxila superior de Gandy, mas mantivermos a da maxila inferior igual?
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Um nariz reto (teoricamente, quase todos os narizes não são 100% retos, mas me refiro a visualmente "reto") pode ocorrer com qualquer tipo de maxila, desde que haja projeção igual/equilibrada. O que muda é o ângulo da ponta se a maxila se projetar mais para a frente.
Aqui temos dois tipos diferentes de "reta" (sim, eu sei que elas podem não ser perfeitamente retas), mas em movimento/na vida real elas seriam vistas como retas.
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A primeira foto é de um usuário que postou seu perfil lateral no org. Sua maxila é retraída, o que pode ser observado pela ponte nasal retraída e pela ponta arrebitada . Mas, como todas as partes são retraídas de forma semelhante, o nariz ainda parece reto, em vez de adunco ou arrebitado.
A segunda foto é do meu nariz, tirada exatamente do mesmo ângulo da primeira (uma foto de perfil lateral perfeitamente reta, com a câmera a uma distância equivalente ao comprimento do meu braço, sem ângulos inclinados nem nada).
Eu seria considerado extremamente progressista, talvez entre os 0,1% melhores do mundo ocidental atual.
Como você pode ver, ambos os narizes são aproximadamente retos. Mas o nariz apoiado na maxila retraída tem a ponta voltada para baixo e o dorso nasal também retraído. Já o meu nariz, que se apoia em uma maxila extremamente projetada para a frente, tem a ponta voltada para cima e o dorso nasal projetado para a frente . Mesmo assim, ambos os narizes seriam considerados "retos" na vida real.
É claro que existem muitos outros fatores que podem influenciar o formato do nariz, como o crescimento para baixo. Obviamente, a "genética nasal" também pode ter alguma influência, mas menos do que a maioria das pessoas pensa. Infelizmente, explicar tudo tornaria este tópico muito longo.
Obrigado por ler meu tópico, espero que você tenha aprendido algo.
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i am pretty sure its all geneticyour nose shape is not “nose genetics”. It’s shaped by the way your maxilla projects.
The nasal bones and cartilage sit on the maxilla like a roof on a house.
I will show you different examples with morphs while learning you on how the maxilla shaped them. These morphs aren't always 1:1 with real life facial development but they're just here to give you a clear visual idea of how maxilla influences the nose directly.
Lets take Gandy as an example, he has a hooked nose ''characterized by a prominent nasal bridge that curves downward, often featuring a drooping tip''
The Hooked nose is caused by a maxilla that has better upper projection relative to lower maxilla projection, the upper maxilla causes a forward nasal bridge , while a RELATIVE weaker lower maxilla fails to support the tip properly → tip drops = hooked nose
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more lower maxilla = upward tip rotation & straighter nose for Gandy.
The forward push supports the forward grown nosebridge caused by the upper maxilla.
Thats why people who do DJS (moving the lefort 1 area forward which gets them more lower maxilla projection) go from hooked to straight noses or from straight to upturned.
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This makes it easy to understand for every nose type.
Upturned nose = Better lower maxilla then upper maxilla. Lets see what happens if we give chico more upper maxilla projection but keep his lower maxilla the same
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And if we give gandy less upper maxilla projection but keep his lower maxilla the same
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A straight nose (theoretically almost all noses arent 100% fully straight, but i mean visually ''straight'') can happen with any kind of maxilla, it just needs equal/balanced projection. The thing that does change is the angle of the tip if the maxilla becomes more forward.
Here we have 2 different types of ''straight'' (yes i know they might not be Pin straight) but in motion/real life they would be seen as straight.
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The first one is from a user who put his side profile on org. His maxilla is recessed, you can see this by looking at the recessed nose bridge and downturned tip. But because all the parts are about equaly recessed the nose still looks straight rather then hooked or upturned.
The second one is my nose, taken from the exact same angle as the first one (a perfect staight side profile picture with a camera on arm lenght distance, no tilted angles or anything)
i would be considerd extremely forward grown, maybe top 0.1% in the current western world.
As you can see, both noses are about straight. But the nose supported by the recessed maxilla has a downturned tip and a recessed nose bridge. Meanwhile my nose who sits on an extremely forward grown maxilla has an upturned tip and a forward grown nose bridge. Still both noses would be considerd ''straight'' in real life.
Of course there are many more factors that can influence nose shape, such as downward growth. Ofcourse ''nose genetics'' might also have some influence, but less then most people think. Sadly explaining everything would make this thread too long.
Thank You for reading my thread, i hope you learned something
Please leave a like if you enjoyed it
Things like tip size are genetics, not the way the nose sits on the maxilla.
Maybe read the thread before commenting, doesnt make any sense what you sayDogmaxx
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So how do you improve maxilla without surgery?your nose shape is not “nose genetics”. It’s shaped by the way your maxilla projects.
The nasal bones and cartilage sit on the maxilla like a roof on a house.
I will show you different examples with morphs while learning you on how the maxilla shaped them. These morphs aren't always 1:1 with real life facial development but they're just here to give you a clear visual idea of how maxilla influences the nose directly.
Lets take Gandy as an example, he has a hooked nose ''characterized by a prominent nasal bridge that curves downward, often featuring a drooping tip''
The Hooked nose is caused by a maxilla that has better upper projection relative to lower maxilla projection, the upper maxilla causes a forward nasal bridge , while a RELATIVE weaker lower maxilla fails to support the tip properly → tip drops = hooked nose
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more lower maxilla = upward tip rotation & straighter nose for Gandy.
The forward push supports the forward grown nosebridge caused by the upper maxilla.
Thats why people who do DJS (moving the lefort 1 area forward which gets them more lower maxilla projection) go from hooked to straight noses or from straight to upturned.
View attachment 4768009View attachment 4768012
This makes it easy to understand for every nose type.
Upturned nose = Better lower maxilla then upper maxilla. Lets see what happens if we give chico more upper maxilla projection but keep his lower maxilla the same
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And if we give gandy less upper maxilla projection but keep his lower maxilla the same
View attachment 4768026View attachment 4768027
A straight nose (theoretically almost all noses arent 100% fully straight, but i mean visually ''straight'') can happen with any kind of maxilla, it just needs equal/balanced projection. The thing that does change is the angle of the tip if the maxilla becomes more forward.
Here we have 2 different types of ''straight'' (yes i know they might not be Pin straight) but in motion/real life they would be seen as straight.
View attachment 4768030View attachment 4768031
The first one is from a user who put his side profile on org. His maxilla is recessed, you can see this by looking at the recessed nose bridge and downturned tip. But because all the parts are about equaly recessed the nose still looks straight rather then hooked or upturned.
The second one is my nose, taken from the exact same angle as the first one (a perfect staight side profile picture with a camera on arm lenght distance, no tilted angles or anything)
i would be considerd extremely forward grown, maybe top 0.1% in the current western world.
As you can see, both noses are about straight. But the nose supported by the recessed maxilla has a downturned tip and a recessed nose bridge. Meanwhile my nose who sits on an extremely forward grown maxilla has an upturned tip and a forward grown nose bridge. Still both noses would be considerd ''straight'' in real life.
Of course there are many more factors that can influence nose shape, such as downward growth. Ofcourse ''nose genetics'' might also have some influence, but less then most people think. Sadly explaining everything would make this thread too long.
Thank You for reading my thread, i hope you learned something
Please leave a like if you enjoyed it
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