Nose = maxilla for normies.

[Deleted member 8758]

What causes a higher nasal root in your opinion? the nasal bones shape/position are affected by its surrounding structure but its rate of growth seems to be independent of things like the sphenoid/maxila??? recessed people can have sharp infraglabellar notches with tall nasal cavities

When not accounting for race, Id say its the absolute height of the root relative to the frontal/peak of skull. If it slopes down then it makes a break or notch (not considering sexually dimorphic sinus growth) by jamming the notch inwards+downwards since the brain cavity takes priority. The skull pushes the frontal bone forward but with lack of bone support it will eventually have alot of downward force. The splanchocranium cannot compete with the brute force of the neurocranium. The a maxilla down swings increasing the angle of the nose making it lose angularity and skin surface area = less asthetic classy pointed nose.

Those recessed people that have good nasal roots that deal with the notch problem by having foreward+upward grown neurocraniums. Usually dolicephalic Im assuming. The maxilla is downstream from the neurocranium, so surgically altering it would only be working with the symptoms. Those recessed people with good neurocranium bases would be one of the few candidates that would asthetically benefit from jaw surgery without too much uncanny tradeoffs.

I like to post my scan to show how the neurocranium cucks the nose. Red color is simulated.

 

[AscendingHero]

When not accounting for race, Id say its the absolute height of the root relative to the frontal/peak of skull. If it slopes down then it makes a break or notch (not considering sexually dimorphic sinus growth) by jamming the notch inwards+downwards since the brain cavity takes priority. The skull pushes the frontal bone forward but with lack of bone support it will eventually have alot of downward force. The splanchocranium cannot compete with the brute force of the neurocranium. The a maxilla down swings increasing the angle of the nose making it lose angularity and skin surface area = less asthetic classy pointed nose.

Those recessed people that have good nasal roots that deal with the notch problem by having foreward+upward grown neurocraniums. Usually dolicephalic Im assuming. The maxilla is downstream from the neurocranium, so surgically altering it would only be working with the symptoms. Those recessed people with good neurocranium bases would be one of the few candidates that would asthetically benefit from jaw surgery without too much uncanny tradeoffs.

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I like to post my scan to show how the neurocranium cucks the nose. Red color is simulated.

So basically this

Neurocranium is a pretty broad term,, eloborate? do you mean basicranium, specific sphenoidal inter cranial angles, etc?

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As you said race and i'll add soft tissue composition, climate and epigenetics do as well

When the anterior cranial floor is longer and more projecting there is more upper and midfacial projection as well

And what "dimorphic sinus" growth do you speak off? the frontal sinus?


Recessed people with good neuroucranium bases is paradoxical. Nasal wise i think it just has to do with good cartilage support and low fibrofatty tissue to be honest


Have to look into how the nasal bone grows, because it does grow independently of other structures although it's appearance is certainly influenced by those surrounding structures

 

[Deleted member 8758]

So basically this
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Neurocranium is a pretty broad term,, eloborate? do you mean basicranium, specific sphenoidal inter cranial angles, etc?

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As you said race and i'll add soft tissue composition, climate and epigenetics do as well

When the anterior cranial floor is longer and more projecting there is more upper and midfacial projection as well

And what "dimorphic sinus" growth do you speak off? the frontal sinus?


Recessed people with good neuroucranium bases is paradoxical. Nasal wise i think it just has to do with good cartilage support and low fibrofatty tissue to be honest


Have to look into how the nasal bone grows, because it does grow independently of other structures although it's appearance is certainly influenced by those surrounding structures

yeah its basically the transformation gif but the the bodyshape of the maxilla and mandible dont morph, just reposition and reorient.

Generally its the complex of all the bones of the neurocranium with basicranium having most effect (with the occipital and maybe temporal having less disruptive effect.)

The frontal sinus grows larger in men and it makes the glabellar notch more exaggerrated so more can go wrong with the growth direction of the nose. Bone growth can be a double edged sword, pretty boys have less of this dimorphism so the growth isnt disrupted but they lose out on the benefits of dimorphism, which at optimal levels mogs.

Not entirely contradictory, there are people with skulls/faces whose growth does tradeoffs where the frontal+eye area is good but the dysgenic growth is directed to the jaw so the midface+jaw become extra long. There was a guy posted here couple of times that looked like that but guys like that are the outliers I was speaking about.

Im still trying to figure it out.

 

[5'7 zoomer]

yeah its basically the transformation gif but the the bodyshape of the maxilla and mandible dont morph, just reposition and reorient.

Generally its the complex of all the bones of the neurocranium with basicranium having most effect (with the occipital and maybe temporal having less disruptive effect.)

The frontal sinus grows larger in men and it makes the glabellar notch more exaggerrated so more can go wrong with the growth direction of the nose. Bone growth can be a double edged sword, pretty boys have less of this dimorphism so the growth isnt disrupted but they lose out on the benefits of dimorphism, which at optimal levels mogs.

Not entirely contradictory, there are people with skulls/faces whose growth does tradeoffs where the frontal+eye area is good but the dysgenic growth is directed to the jaw so the midface+jaw become extra long. There was a guy posted here couple of times that looked like that but guys like that are the outliers I was speaking about.

Im still trying to figure it out.

this dude?

 

[horizontallytall]

Its gonna be a shitshow believe and it will happem just like general healthcare which everyone does for their kids

As this shit spreads, normies will say "just get bimax bro" to niggas with upper maxillary recession because they heard that mewing = maxillary development and bad maxilla -> bimax

 

[AscendingHero]

here are people with skulls/faces whose growth does tradeoffs where the frontal+eye area is good but the dysgenic growth is directed to the jaw so the midface+jaw become extra long

In what cases do you think this occurs? Really tough to have a lot CFD and a truly mogger bar color contrast/fat padding tbh.

The frontal sinus grows larger in men and it makes the glabellar notch more exaggerrated so more can go wrong with the growth direction of the nose. Bone growth can be a double edged sword, pretty boys have less of this dimorphism so the growth isnt disrupted but they lose out on the benefits of dimorphism, which at optimal levels mogs.

Ideal is having strong dimorphism with proper craniofacial growth and high youth/health indicators and color cues of course (water)

But how does too much frontal sinus growth (in the wrong direction) severe nasal aesthetics?

And yes you're right, tradionally more masculine guys will have a sharper nasofrontal angle as long as the nasal bridge/supra rim/supercillary arch isn't non existent i dont think it's the biggest of worries