Not a fan of maxillary expanders but this one looks like it can raise the orbital region

[moze]

Changes are minimal in this coz they expanded very little would be more if expanded more than 10mm

 

[Lefor3Laser]

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Changes are minimal in this coz they expanded very little would be more if expanded more than 10mm

They do rotate the orbitals by a bit but it is minimal and the problem is that you get asymmetry and a wider septum.

 

[moze]

They do rotate the orbitals by a bit but it is minimal and the problem is that you get asymmetry and a wider septum.

Wider septum yea maybe but most of the expansion with fme is nearly 100% symmetrical especially on the zygos.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Wider septum yea maybe but most of the expansion with fme is nearly 100% symmetrical especially on the zygos.

Since fme is new i bet that it is expensive.

 

[moze]

Doing this only for minimal improvement in eye area is not worth it imo i am just talking about possiblities

Wider septum yea maybe but most of the expansion with fme is nearly 100% symmetrical especially on the zygos.

 

[moze]

Since fme is new i bet that it is expensive.

Yea its very expensive.15k usd not worth it for that money

 

[cucklek]

Wider septum yea maybe but most of the expansion with fme is nearly 100% symmetrical especially on the zygos.

the problem with these expanders is that u often already got asymmetry if you got a narrow palate and expanding it will just make the asymmetry even worse

 

[soggra]

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Changes are minimal in this coz they expanded very little would be more if expanded more than 10mm

Do you know which expander this is?

 

[soggra]

Doing this only for minimal improvement in eye area is not worth it imo i am just talking about possiblities

That looks like a huge improvement in eye area and not minimal whatsoever

 

[moze]

Fme(facegenic midface expander)

Do you know which expander this is?

this is the only which which moves things upwards all the other expander( except custom marpe in some cases)cause some downward movement

 

[moze]

That looks like a huge improvement in eye area and not minimal whatsoever

Yea maybe i am talking in terms of cost.very expensive for that much improvement.if you got uars or something its worth it

 

[moze]

That looks like a huge improvement in eye area and not minimal whatsoever

Yea maybe i am talking in terms of cost.very expensive for that much improvement.if you got uars or something its worth it

 

[moze]

Not with this expander.most of the expansion is symmetrical in this

the problem with these expanders is that u often already got asymmetry if you got a narrow palate and expanding it will just make the asymmetry even worse

 

[soggra]

Fme(facegenic midface expander)

this is the only which which moves things upwards all the other expander( except custom marpe in some cases)cause some downward movement

Where is the force being placed upwards located exactly? Since if you move the posterior palate upwards you will achieve downwards growth but if you move the anterior palate forward you will achieve upward growth. It looks like FME is placed in the middle of the palate rather than the anterior and posterior which isn’t ideal if you want upward movement. If FME was placed anteriorly it would be ideal for upward movement but it isn’t.

 

[moze]

Where is the force being placed upwards located exactly? Since if you move the posterior palate upwards you will achieve downwards growth but if you move the anterior palate forward you will achieve upward growth. It looks like FME is placed in the middle of the palate rather than the anterior and posterior which isn’t ideal if you want upward movement. If FME was placed anteriorly it would be ideal for upward movement but it isn’t.

Its not about where it is located.downward movement is due to resistance from other bones.as there is more tads in fme it is possible to move things upwards…

 

[soggra]

Its not about where it is located.downward movement is due to resistance from other bones.as there is more tads in fme it is possible to move things upwards…

Yes it is. If you push the posterior maxilla upward you’ll get a downward occlusion plane

 

[moze]

Yes it is. If you push the posterior maxilla upward you’ll get a downward occlusion plane

Placing the appliance in the middle would not cause downward movement as you think

 

[soggra]

Placing the appliance in the middle would not cause downward movement as you think

Yea I know I just said it’s not ideal that’s all. Since anterior upward movement would be better. Rep all my posts bro

 

[moze]

Yea I know I just said it’s not ideal that’s all. Since anterior upward movement would be better. Rep all my posts bro

Okey

 

[Firelordxx]

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Changes are minimal in this coz they expanded very little would be more if expanded more than 10mm

My guy how is 6mm little

 

[Firelordxx]

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My guy

That looks like a huge improvement in eye area and not minimal whatsoever

0 difference irl

 

[Firelordxx]

That looks like a huge improvement in eye area and not minimal whatsoever

How are you jfling me on my own scan bruh

 

[Firelordxx]

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Changes are minimal in this coz they expanded very little would be more if expanded more than 10mm

You do know the max is 10mm for 2a right?

 

[Acne Victim]

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I’m not a dicom expert but are you sure that the slides used are identical

Because it looks like even the upper third changed (which makes zero sense)

 

[Firelordxx]

I’m not a dicom expert but are you sure that the slides used are identical

Because it looks like even the upper third changed (which makes zero sense)

No its possible i think

 

[Marelago]

Fme(facegenic midface expander)

this is the only which which moves things upwards all the other expander( except custom marpe in some cases)cause some downward movement

Right. I saw some fugly results from patients with EASE they all had elongated faces after the procedure. MSE, MARPE, SARPE I guess not better than EASE. FME seems to work not only widening but also raise the facial bones a little. This has to do because the screws are all set in the palate and they have lock screw mechanism that's why it's superior than Ease, MSE etc.
Despite that this patient is foremost looking better after FME I don't understand why his (her?) septum has not been surgically corrected. It's very crooked.

 

[moze]

Is this you in the cbct?

No its possible i think

 

[Firelordxx]

Is this you in the cbct?

Who else

 

[moze]

You do know the max is 10mm for 2a right?

My guy

0 difference irl

Eyes became noticeably wider

 

[moze]

Who else

you are saying that you got 0% difference irl?

 

[moze]

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Eyes became noticeably wider

you are saying that you got 0% difference irl?

Looks like this guy got ipd and pfl improvements

 

[Firelordxx]

you are saying that you got 0% difference irl?

Yes people overthing expansion, i did it for my bite

 

[moze]

Right. I saw some fugly results from patients with EASE they all had elongated faces after the procedure. MSE, MARPE, SARPE I guess not better than EASE. FME seems to work not only widening but also raise the facial bones a little. This has to do because the screws are all set in the palate and they have lock screw mechanism that's why it's superior than Ease, MSE etc.
Despite that this patient is foremost looking better after FME I don't understand why his (her?) septum has not been surgically corrected. It's very crooked.

Maybe coz she got good breathing space with fme

 

[moze]

Yes people overthing expansion, i did it for my bite

how much did you expand

 

[Firelordxx]

Looks like this guy got ipd and pfl improvements

I doubt this because even my (one of the best expansions) had only 1mm change in the zygomatics (width increase).

 

[Firelordxx]

how much did you expand

6mm

 

[moze]

6mm

I see… so how did dr newaz got noticeable change and some other patients i asked got noticeable difference too

 

[Firelordxx]

I see… so how did dr newaz got noticeable change and some other patients i asked got noticeable difference too

Ive seen almost everybodys scans; and dr newaz is older so he wont get as great skeletal expansion (i have 5mm skeletal from 6mm activation. Have not seen anybody get ipd or pfl changes

 

[Firelordxx]

Ive seen almost everybodys scans; and dr newaz is older so he wont get as great skeletal expansion (i have 5mm skeletal from 6mm activation. Have not seen anybody get ipd or pfl changes

I double checked my ipd also with the scans, 0 change whatsoever

 

[moze]

I double checked my ipd also with the scans, 0 change whatsoever

I mean look at the photo above in that u can see that his eyes got widen

 

[Firelordxx]

I mean look at the photo above in that u can see that his eyes got widen

Very hard to compare pictures, could be focal length, lighting etc. What i do know is that at 19, with 5-6mm skeletal i uave not seen a ipd change. So i would assume 38 year old Dr. Newaz would not experience ipd change given the ratio of activation to skeletal. But who knows maybe he did get indeed get it. But we cannot know until he posts scans proving such.

 

[Marelago]

I mean look at the photo above in that u can see that his eyes got widen

It's clearly visible that his IPD has increased. Not only that his nose is more straight and he has better projected cheeks. He improved at leat two points. FME is the shit. Ease and other crap will be history soon.

 

[Firelordxx]

It's clearly visible that his IPD has increased. Not only that his nose is more straight and he has better projected cheeks. He improved at leat two points. FME is the shit. Ease and other crap will be history soon.

Omg why does everybody think his ipd changed . If you check the scans you can see there is no ipd change

 

[Marelago]

Omg why does everybody think his ipd changed . If you check the scans you can see there is no ipd change

I don't debate with you. The IPD has slightly changed also the under eye support.