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These behaviors you mentioned in your post are not autism or neurodivergence, its Chud SyndromeBro im out of that hole. I would never write a thread like this if i would still be there
Pls explainThese behaviors you mentioned in your post are not autism or neurodivergence, its Chud Syndrome
This reminds me of fitter happier by radioheadIf you’re not a Chad , then you need to social-adapt. Acting neurotypical is one of the most important soft skills you can develop — especially when interacting with women.
Stay neutral and positive. Never be racist, sexist, or edgy. Don’t make dark humor jokes — they almost never land unless you already have strong social calibration. Same goes for sarcasm; it only works when people already like you and feel comfortable around you.
Keep conversations light and socially safe. Talk about basic, harmless topics everyday things like music, food, movies, or lifestyle — nothing too deep, nothing controversial. Avoid politics, religion, or zodiac talk. And if these topics do come up, keep your opinions positive and open-minded. Women pick up very quickly on negative or judgmental energy.
Religion: You don’t have to hide it if you’re Christian or wear something like a cross necklace , that’s fine. But avoid coming across as too religious or overly spiritual. Strong or strict religious behavior tends to make most people feel uncomfortable or judged. The goal is to appear neutral, open, and relatable, not tied to ideology.
If you’ve already entered a conversation with a girl ,even if it’s completely platonic and you find yourselves talking more often (like at school, work, or in social activities), that’s a small positive signal. It means you’re not completely repelling her; she’s comfortable enough to engage with you.
From that point on, maintain normal and neurotypical behavior. Don’t overthink it, don’t act self-conscious, don’t try to impress. Every conversation is a “social check” pass it by being emotionally stable and easy to talk to.
Avoid high-risk or emotionally charged topics. Never talk about abortion, birth control, or pregnancy-related debates. These are trap topics that can only go wrong for you. Even if you have an opinion, keep it private. The only safe way to bring it up is light and neutral — e.g., “Would you rather have a son or daughter someday?” or “How many kids would you like to have?” questions that stay friendly and platonic.
No Blackpill knowledge or online ideology. In normal social environments, things like “.org topics” don’t exist. Normies don’t think that way. Mentioning it marks you as socially off.
If you ever mention appearance, do it the way normal people do: “Looks matter, but personality and confidence are even more important.” Repeat what most people believe — blend in socially. Never bring up SMV, lookscales, or other online terminology. That’s not neurotypical behavior; it’s social suicide.
Mistakes and social calibration: If you’re not HTN, every mistake you make counts ten times more. Some people even wait for you to mess up to use it against you. Move carefully stay calm, respectful, and self-controlled.
If someone especially a girl isn’t interested, even though you’re polite and normal, walk away. Don’t force it, don’t argue, don’t chase validation. Remove yourself to protect your energy and prevent awkward or negative situations.
Attention and validation: Some girls may talk to you without real interest, just for attention or validation. That’s normal, but you need to recognize it. If there are signs of disrespect or inconsistency, step back and observe. If they stop engaging, it was never genuine just a brief interaction, not a real connection.
Group dynamics: If you’re in a class, workplace, or social group and get along platonically with multiple girls, be very careful. If you screw up with one girl and they are friends, you can poison the well completely, affecting all of them. Failing with one doesn’t only affect her — it can potentially affect multiple girls. They talk, and if your stories or behavior don’t align, they will notice. You have to construct your story carefully to avoid contradictions.
Character and appearance: Personality is critical. Your character should be “smart” and natural. Ofcourse Looks is law , but always reinforce what the average person believes — confidence, politeness, and social awareness are more important when your sub 8 . Your behavior and consistency in social interactions and ofc looks determine how people perceive you
Yes, it might sound like Jester-maxing , but that’s reality if you’re not HTN. Women subconsciously scan you. Weirdness, negativity, or uncalibrated behavior leads to being ignored or friendzoned.
So the goal isn’t to fake who you are — it’s to filter yourself strategically. Be funny, but not offensive. Be interesting, but not intense. Be confident, but not arrogant.
Remember: with men, you can talk raw and unfiltered. With women, you need to code-switch adapt your tone, humor, and energy. That’s not being fake; that’s being socially intelligent.
Masks and advantage: Everyone in life wears a mask. Every person. Why not use this to your advantage? By being aware and deliberate, you can use social knowledge to your benefit. You have the advantage of access to knowledge that the average person never sees. Use it. Learn, observe, and apply.
If your not sub 5 or a heavy social retard this might help you
Also this text was written by AI but dont bother i had to make some heavy editing.
It is not important how i show you things but what i show you with it think about that.
Good luck
Me to thats why i made a guide to prevnt other people doing the same mistakesI used to do a lot of the stuff that the OP says not to do![]()
this is so nice but in .org is not good frIf you’re not a Chad , then you need to social-adapt. Acting neurotypical is one of the most important soft skills you can develop — especially when interacting with women.
Stay neutral and positive. Never be racist, sexist, or edgy. Don’t make dark humor jokes — they almost never land unless you already have strong social calibration. Same goes for sarcasm; it only works when people already like you and feel comfortable around you.
Keep conversations light and socially safe. Talk about basic, harmless topics everyday things like music, food, movies, or lifestyle — nothing too deep, nothing controversial. Avoid politics, religion, or zodiac talk. And if these topics do come up, keep your opinions positive and open-minded. Women pick up very quickly on negative or judgmental energy.
Religion: You don’t have to hide it if you’re Christian or wear something like a cross necklace , that’s fine. But avoid coming across as too religious or overly spiritual. Strong or strict religious behavior tends to make most people feel uncomfortable or judged. The goal is to appear neutral, open, and relatable, not tied to ideology.
If you’ve already entered a conversation with a girl ,even if it’s completely platonic and you find yourselves talking more often (like at school, work, or in social activities), that’s a small positive signal. It means you’re not completely repelling her; she’s comfortable enough to engage with you.
From that point on, maintain normal and neurotypical behavior. Don’t overthink it, don’t act self-conscious, don’t try to impress. Every conversation is a “social check” pass it by being emotionally stable and easy to talk to.
Avoid high-risk or emotionally charged topics. Never talk about abortion, birth control, or pregnancy-related debates. These are trap topics that can only go wrong for you. Even if you have an opinion, keep it private. The only safe way to bring it up is light and neutral — e.g., “Would you rather have a son or daughter someday?” or “How many kids would you like to have?” questions that stay friendly and platonic.
No Blackpill knowledge or online ideology. In normal social environments, things like “.org topics” don’t exist. Normies don’t think that way. Mentioning it marks you as socially off.
If you ever mention appearance, do it the way normal people do: “Looks matter, but personality and confidence are even more important.” Repeat what most people believe — blend in socially. Never bring up SMV, lookscales, or other online terminology. That’s not neurotypical behavior; it’s social suicide.
Mistakes and social calibration: If you’re not HTN, every mistake you make counts ten times more. Some people even wait for you to mess up to use it against you. Move carefully stay calm, respectful, and self-controlled.
Si alguien, especialmente una chica, no está interesado, aunque seas educado y te comportes con normalidad, aléjate. No fuerces la situación, no discutas, no busques aprobación. Retírate para proteger tu energía y evitar situaciones incómodas o negativas.
Atención y validación: Algunas chicas pueden hablarte sin verdadero interés, solo para llamar tu atención o sentirse validadas. Es normal, pero debes darte cuenta. Si ves señales de falta de respeto o inconsistencia, aléjate y observa. Si dejan de interactuar, nunca fue genuino, solo una breve conversación, no una conexión real.
Dinámica de grupo: Si estás en clase, en el trabajo o en un grupo social y te llevas bien con varias chicas, ten mucho cuidado. Si metes la pata con una de ellas y son amigas, puedes envenenar la relación por completo, afectándolas a todas. Un error con una no solo la afecta a ella, sino que puede afectar a varias. Ellas hablan, y si tus historias o tu comportamiento no coinciden, se darán cuenta. Debes construir tu historia con cuidado para evitar contradicciones.
Carácter y apariencia: La personalidad es fundamental. Tu carácter debe ser inteligente y natural. Por supuesto, la apariencia es importante, pero siempre refuerza lo que la mayoría piensa: la confianza, la cortesía y la conciencia social son más importantes cuando eres menor de 8 años. Tu comportamiento y coherencia en las interacciones sociales, y por supuesto tu apariencia, determinan cómo te perciben los demás.
Sí, puede sonar a exageración, pero esa es la realidad si no eres un chico guapo. Las mujeres te analizan inconscientemente. La rareza, la negatividad o el comportamiento impredecible llevan a que te ignoren o te releguen a la friendzone.
Así que el objetivo no es fingir ser quien eres, sino filtrarte estratégicamente. Sé gracioso, pero no ofensivo. Sé interesante, pero no intenso. Sé seguro de ti mismo, pero no arrogante.
Recuerda: con los hombres puedes hablar con franqueza y sin filtros. Con las mujeres, necesitas adaptar tu tono, humor y energía. Eso no es fingir; es tener inteligencia social.
Máscaras y ventajas: Todos llevamos una máscara. Absolutamente todos. ¿Por qué no aprovecharlo? Siendo consciente y deliberado, puedes usar el conocimiento social a tu favor. Tienes la ventaja de acceder a información que la mayoría de la gente desconoce. Úsala. Aprende, observa y aplica.
Si no tienes menos de 5 años o eres un completo retrasado social, esto podría ayudarte.
Este texto también fue escrito por IA, pero no se preocupen, tuve que editarlo bastante.
No es importante cómo te muestro las cosas, sino qué te muestro con ellas; piensa en eso.
Buena suerte
just being yourself limits your friend palate to people who have similar interests as you. you'll never be popular and liked by everyone if you stay true to your own character. check out my last thread i broke it down therednr fuck that shit, follow your instincts dont be something your not, normies do that but socialising is inherent to them.
save yourself the stress of being something your not, be yourself. ascend + slay. never conform, masking fatigue is brutal and you should never have to put yourself through that
Never was about this named above.If you’re not a Chad , then you need to social-adapt. Acting neurotypical is one of the most important soft skills you can develop — especially when interacting with women.
Stay neutral and positive. Never be racist, sexist, or edgy. Don’t make dark humor jokes — they almost never land unless you already have strong social calibration. Same goes for sarcasm; it only works when people already like you and feel comfortable around you.
Keep conversations light and socially safe. Talk about basic, harmless topics everyday things like music, food, movies, or lifestyle — nothing too deep, nothing controversial. Avoid politics, religion, or zodiac talk. And if these topics do come up, keep your opinions positive and open-minded. Women pick up very quickly on negative or judgmental energy.
Religion: You don’t have to hide it if you’re Christian or wear something like a cross necklace , that’s fine. But avoid coming across as too religious or overly spiritual. Strong or strict religious behavior tends to make most people feel uncomfortable or judged. The goal is to appear neutral, open, and relatable, not tied to ideology.
If you’ve already entered a conversation with a girl ,even if it’s completely platonic and you find yourselves talking more often (like at school, work, or in social activities), that’s a small positive signal. It means you’re not completely repelling her; she’s comfortable enough to engage with you.
From that point on, maintain normal and neurotypical behavior. Don’t overthink it, don’t act self-conscious, don’t try to impress. Every conversation is a “social check” pass it by being emotionally stable and easy to talk to.
Avoid high-risk or emotionally charged topics. Never talk about abortion, birth control, or pregnancy-related debates. These are trap topics that can only go wrong for you. Even if you have an opinion, keep it private. The only safe way to bring it up is light and neutral — e.g., “Would you rather have a son or daughter someday?” or “How many kids would you like to have?” questions that stay friendly and platonic.
No Blackpill knowledge or online ideology. In normal social environments, things like “.org topics” don’t exist. Normies don’t think that way. Mentioning it marks you as socially off.
If you ever mention appearance, do it the way normal people do: “Looks matter, but personality and confidence are even more important.” Repeat what most people believe — blend in socially. Never bring up SMV, lookscales, or other online terminology. That’s not neurotypical behavior; it’s social suicide.
Mistakes and social calibration: If you’re not HTN, every mistake you make counts ten times more. Some people even wait for you to mess up to use it against you. Move carefully stay calm, respectful, and self-controlled.
If someone especially a girl isn’t interested, even though you’re polite and normal, walk away. Don’t force it, don’t argue, don’t chase validation. Remove yourself to protect your energy and prevent awkward or negative situations.
Attention and validation: Some girls may talk to you without real interest, just for attention or validation. That’s normal, but you need to recognize it. If there are signs of disrespect or inconsistency, step back and observe. If they stop engaging, it was never genuine just a brief interaction, not a real connection.
Group dynamics: If you’re in a class, workplace, or social group and get along platonically with multiple girls, be very careful. If you screw up with one girl and they are friends, you can poison the well completely, affecting all of them. Failing with one doesn’t only affect her — it can potentially affect multiple girls. They talk, and if your stories or behavior don’t align, they will notice. You have to construct your story carefully to avoid contradictions.
Character and appearance: Personality is critical. Your character should be “smart” and natural. Ofcourse Looks is law , but always reinforce what the average person believes — confidence, politeness, and social awareness are more important when your sub 8 . Your behavior and consistency in social interactions and ofc looks determine how people perceive you
Yes, it might sound like Jester-maxing , but that’s reality if you’re not HTN. Women subconsciously scan you. Weirdness, negativity, or uncalibrated behavior leads to being ignored or friendzoned.
So the goal isn’t to fake who you are — it’s to filter yourself strategically. Be funny, but not offensive. Be interesting, but not intense. Be confident, but not arrogant.
Remember: with men, you can talk raw and unfiltered. With women, you need to code-switch adapt your tone, humor, and energy. That’s not being fake; that’s being socially intelligent.
Masks and advantage: Everyone in life wears a mask. Every person. Why not use this to your advantage? By being aware and deliberate, you can use social knowledge to your benefit. You have the advantage of access to knowledge that the average person never sees. Use it. Learn, observe, and apply.
If your not sub 5 or a heavy social retard this might help you
Also this text was written by AI but dont bother i had to make some heavy editing.
It is not important how i show you things but what i show you with it think about that.
Good luck
cope because it doesn't change how my brain worksIf you’re not a Chad , then you need to social-adapt. Acting neurotypical is one of the most important soft skills you can develop — especially when interacting with women.
Stay neutral and positive. Never be racist, sexist, or edgy. Don’t make dark humor jokes — they almost never land unless you already have strong social calibration. Same goes for sarcasm; it only works when people already like you and feel comfortable around you.
Keep conversations light and socially safe. Talk about basic, harmless topics everyday things like music, food, movies, or lifestyle — nothing too deep, nothing controversial. Avoid politics, religion, or zodiac talk. And if these topics do come up, keep your opinions positive and open-minded. Women pick up very quickly on negative or judgmental energy.
Religion: You don’t have to hide it if you’re Christian or wear something like a cross necklace , that’s fine. But avoid coming across as too religious or overly spiritual. Strong or strict religious behavior tends to make most people feel uncomfortable or judged. The goal is to appear neutral, open, and relatable, not tied to ideology.
If you’ve already entered a conversation with a girl ,even if it’s completely platonic and you find yourselves talking more often (like at school, work, or in social activities), that’s a small positive signal. It means you’re not completely repelling her; she’s comfortable enough to engage with you.
From that point on, maintain normal and neurotypical behavior. Don’t overthink it, don’t act self-conscious, don’t try to impress. Every conversation is a “social check” pass it by being emotionally stable and easy to talk to.
Avoid high-risk or emotionally charged topics. Never talk about abortion, birth control, or pregnancy-related debates. These are trap topics that can only go wrong for you. Even if you have an opinion, keep it private. The only safe way to bring it up is light and neutral — e.g., “Would you rather have a son or daughter someday?” or “How many kids would you like to have?” questions that stay friendly and platonic.
No Blackpill knowledge or online ideology. In normal social environments, things like “.org topics” don’t exist. Normies don’t think that way. Mentioning it marks you as socially off.
If you ever mention appearance, do it the way normal people do: “Looks matter, but personality and confidence are even more important.” Repeat what most people believe — blend in socially. Never bring up SMV, lookscales, or other online terminology. That’s not neurotypical behavior; it’s social suicide.
Mistakes and social calibration: If you’re not HTN, every mistake you make counts ten times more. Some people even wait for you to mess up to use it against you. Move carefully stay calm, respectful, and self-controlled.
If someone especially a girl isn’t interested, even though you’re polite and normal, walk away. Don’t force it, don’t argue, don’t chase validation. Remove yourself to protect your energy and prevent awkward or negative situations.
Attention and validation: Some girls may talk to you without real interest, just for attention or validation. That’s normal, but you need to recognize it. If there are signs of disrespect or inconsistency, step back and observe. If they stop engaging, it was never genuine just a brief interaction, not a real connection.
Group dynamics: If you’re in a class, workplace, or social group and get along platonically with multiple girls, be very careful. If you screw up with one girl and they are friends, you can poison the well completely, affecting all of them. Failing with one doesn’t only affect her — it can potentially affect multiple girls. They talk, and if your stories or behavior don’t align, they will notice. You have to construct your story carefully to avoid contradictions.
Character and appearance: Personality is critical. Your character should be “smart” and natural. Ofcourse Looks is law , but always reinforce what the average person believes — confidence, politeness, and social awareness are more important when your sub 8 . Your behavior and consistency in social interactions and ofc looks determine how people perceive you
Yes, it might sound like Jester-maxing , but that’s reality if you’re not HTN. Women subconsciously scan you. Weirdness, negativity, or uncalibrated behavior leads to being ignored or friendzoned.
So the goal isn’t to fake who you are — it’s to filter yourself strategically. Be funny, but not offensive. Be interesting, but not intense. Be confident, but not arrogant.
Remember: with men, you can talk raw and unfiltered. With women, you need to code-switch adapt your tone, humor, and energy. That’s not being fake; that’s being socially intelligent.
Masks and advantage: Everyone in life wears a mask. Every person. Why not use this to your advantage? By being aware and deliberate, you can use social knowledge to your benefit. You have the advantage of access to knowledge that the average person never sees. Use it. Learn, observe, and apply.
If your not sub 5 or a heavy social retard this might help you
Also this text was written by AI but dont bother i had to make some heavy editing.
It is not important how i show you things but what i show you with it think about that.
Good luck
And how the fuck do I breathe around people?This forum is so mentally fucked up you guys have to strategize being mentally/socially above avarage. It's better than incel crap, but to achieve this without getting stressed, only thing you have to do is:
1)Only use social media to meet people and build a profile to attract, because your social media algorithm is likely fucked beyond recovery and there is too much negativity on there anyway
2)Use this site only to get tips to improve your looks, as the culture here is absolutely retarded
Do these you'll blend in nice and easy. Since most avarage people get ragebaited online and seek social advice from socially retarded people on internet, they are nerfed and you'll have an edge without much effort.
Work on fixing your retarded habits, instead of trying to be above avarage manually. You'll eventually burn out from putting too much conscious effort anyway.
check my recent thread, your personality is determined based off your development and is hard to change, because in the end of the day no matter how hard you try you'll be the same person deep down. However there are a lot of things you can immediately change such as habits like corny or edgy hobbies that repel others, or things that are self nerfs. I think I went over this pretty well in my thread and it's based off of what really worked for me. Also a lot of it is scientifically backed up by psychology studiesNo fault of yours OP but I am thoroughly convinced any guide on here about modifying behavior is practically useless.
Very simply, reading this doesn't teach the part of your brain that's actually responsible for any interaction or action at all, anything.
But you'll feel as though you're making progress for reading it, even though you're still at the starting line.
You'll learn infinitely more about real life social dynamics by just asking a stranger on the street for the time, than you will from these guides.
Again, no fault to the OP who spent lots of time writing this up. Reading simply doesn't translate to behavior, action does.
Then you need to learn to breathe normaly like everybody else. You won't sofucate its only in your head.And its not only your breathing for sure,its probably a mix of other weird behavior that you display and your looks.Never was about this named above.
How do I breathe around other people?
My breaths are too deep, they last to long and I exhale to loud in response, making my inhale louder because I feel like dying without any air.
This strengthens by me listening to music but still seeing / hearing the stares and laughs towards me.
"Just be yourself" what even are you doing on .org if you belive in such bluepill cope.cope because it doesn't change how my brain works
just say whatever you want and if you don't feel like it don't say never filter how you truly express yourself
Im not talking about looks im just saying if you're autistic you can't change anything"Just be yourself" what even are you doing on .org if you belive in such bluepill cope.
As said, looks in regards to me being actually subhuman and behaviour as I struggle with taking my backpack off or sitting down and such.Then you need to learn to breathe normaly like everybody else. You won't sofucate its only in your head.And its not only your breathing for sure,its probably a mix of other weird behavior that you display and your looks.
Damn im realy sorry for you.at this point just try to get somehow that surgery no matter what.And your begavior, its sad that people have to think about such normal dauly things like you do.it depends if your realy subhuman or only sub 5 but if you are subhuman im sorry to tell you but its overAs said, looks in regards to me being actually subhuman and behaviour as I struggle with taking my backpack off or sitting down and such.
And for the breathing part, I really have issues. I would need LF 1/2, maxillary expander and Bimax but the insurance would never cover it.
Surgery wise just comes later in life.Damn im realy sorry for you.at this point just try to get somehow that surgery no matter what.And your begavior, its sad that people have to think about such normal dauly things like you do.it depends if your realy subhuman or only sub 5 but if you are subhuman im sorry to tell you but its over
Yeah i hope so but some features are even with surgery unfixable.Be carefull with filler they are the poor mans implantsSurgery wise just comes later in life.
Maybe I can do something with fillers next year, turning 17.
And looks wise, yes I am truly high subhuman.
I've learnt thought, that if you can afford it, it's never truly over.
Yea I mean why not? Being yourself doesn't mean being awkward and second guessing what you think and doing some playing it safe people pleasing bullshit when you talk to a girl you find attractive, which is what I see a lot "nice guys" (pussies) do."Just be yourself bro"
That only works if your normal.When your a social retard you just cant be yourself or you would sooner or later go to jailYea I mean why not? Being yourself doesn't mean being awkward and second guessing what you think and doing some playing it safe people pleasing bullshit when you talk to a girl you find attractive, which is what I see a lot "nice guys" (pussies) do.
I did but before that it was a long period of lonelines becaus nobody wanted to to something with me.so i did exactly what you said and it worked but to meet people you need to be a base level of normal and social if nit youl just get excluded and buliedYou stay the way you are, learn some social skills by going outside and meeting people, and then you just wait until your looks bait some woman into being attracted to you where you then leverage your newly gained social skills to slay. That simple. 95% of people who think they're so special and fucked up and ND n shit are just normies who spent their teenage years playing video games instead of learning social skills
Start with befriending weirdos and work your way up until you can properly tak to normies and women. Or get a job where you deal with people a lot. You'll have good social skills after at max a yearyou need to be a base level of normal and social if nit youl just get excluded and bulied
If you chill with weirdos you will stay one.rather be alone and then step up.The only option would be to first be with the npcs ad then try to join the funier peopleStart with befriending weirdos and work your way up until you can properly tak to normies and women. Or get a job where you deal with people a lot. You'll have good social skills after at max a year
Whatever floats your boat bro. What I meant to say is that you should get friends before trying to get hoes. Because let's be real, if you fumble with some normies, it doesn't matter, you're not trying to fuck them, just look for other dudes to chill with.If you chill with weirdos you will stay one.rather be alone and then step up.The only option would be to first be with the npcs ad then try to join the funier people
BOTB is there for a reasonCan u help me ascend
Help him out if you canBOTB is there for a reason
Yeah this text got a heavier fokus on women but its not a guide to get laid.And yes being social proof thrue friends is almost everytime key.Whatever floats your boat bro. What I meant to say is that you should get friends before trying to get hoes. Because let's be real, if you fumble with some normies, it doesn't matter, you're not trying to fuck them, just look for other dudes to chill with.
Ehh to a degree. I find a lot of guys are social retards because they try to people please when they really care about the outcome of an interaction. I know I used to mask who I was for a long time and would be outcasted but now I don't do that as much and people respond really well generally to jokes that I thought were fucking weird and only my weird friends would appreciate.That only works if your normal.When your a social retard you just cant be yourself or you would sooner or later go to jail
Jeah also growing up and maturing mentaly can fix you if your on the right laneEhh to a degree. I find a lot of guys are social retards because they try to people please when they really care about the outcome of an interaction. I know I used to mask who I was for a long time and would be outcasted but now I don't do that as much and people respond really well generally to jokes that I thought were fucking weird and only my weird friends would appreciate.
I have been looksmaxxing and stuff during that period as well however so it's hard to say. It's not like I'm some 5 foot jeet making feet pics jokes to women I just met.
Sometimes im oblivious to my nd and just play it of as being a litle slow and lazy.And honestly when i dont want to speak and want to apear normal while listening i just smoke a cig,it lets you seem more nd and also you feel less anxious becaus you have something to do while still being partialy involved in the interaction .how do you deal with mask fatigue generally acting nt is killing me within
good post op