Achilles
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"I've been on TRT for 9 years because when I was 32 my total T measured at 290. I'm now doing everything in my power to get off of it. It's a dead end in my opinion. It didn't solve the problems I was dealing with and comes with it's own set of problems.
For all of you men who are looking to it as a solution, a few considerations for you that no one presented to me.
When your HPTA axis is shut down and you become dependent on exogenous testosterone, what would you do if supply chains and the world goes to hell and vials or sources of testosterone is no longer available? Do you understand how weak, tired and cloudy you will feel while your body attempts to restart itself? If the world is truly falling apart, is that the time you want to be in a significantly weakened state?
If you go for a long period of time and your testes atrophy, do you know that your pituitary may never successfully pump out enough LH/FSH to restart to your testes?
Do you know how you respond to hCG to prevent testicular atrophy while on TRT? Do you know how you respond to SERM's if you ever want to attempt a restart? Some men cannot handle the side effects of these at all.
Do you care about your fertility? Do you ever want to have children? Do you know about shutting down upstream hormones like pregnenolone, progesterone, DHEA etc?
Do you know how to modulate your testosterone dose if you start having high estrogenic side effects or are you going to do down another rabbit hole and start playing with an aromatase inhibitor like anastrozole? Are you prepared to donate blood regularly if your hematocrit becomes too high?
There is a reason your T is low and this is just another Band-Aid that will come with it's own set of problems and costs.
Don't go down this path unless you have answers to at the very least all of the questions I proposed above."
"Testosterone, especially exogenous has adrenergic effects. A lot of people aren't aware of this.
Also, when our HPTA axis gets shut down, it reduces our endogenous production of progesterone. Progesterone is calming, so a reduction will amplify the adrenergic effects of testosterone. If estrogen climbs, that can also contribute via more intense emotional responses.
All of that can increase cortisol and adrenaline over time. That can lead to a decrease of magnesium and potassium stores.
All of this combined can lead to tachycardia and some fluttering.
I already chimed in once, but I was on a huge number of protocols of TRT, HRT with a number of hormones, peptides, supplements, AI's etc. I attempted with all my will to force it to work for 8 years straight. 8 years.
I also donated blood regularly, cycling between whole blood as well as double red blood cell.
Since I've been off, I've lost muscle size and put on some fat, but my heart feels better and my mind feels sharper.
If we could back up, do you have your pre-TRT lab/bloodwork we could look at?
What does your current diet, hormones, supplements and other drugs look like?"
We have literal 14 year olds on this site hopping on roids and all sorts of hormones like GH and sarms. Yall are fucking up your shit and dont have any idea of the sides.
Stay natural
For all of you men who are looking to it as a solution, a few considerations for you that no one presented to me.
When your HPTA axis is shut down and you become dependent on exogenous testosterone, what would you do if supply chains and the world goes to hell and vials or sources of testosterone is no longer available? Do you understand how weak, tired and cloudy you will feel while your body attempts to restart itself? If the world is truly falling apart, is that the time you want to be in a significantly weakened state?
If you go for a long period of time and your testes atrophy, do you know that your pituitary may never successfully pump out enough LH/FSH to restart to your testes?
Do you know how you respond to hCG to prevent testicular atrophy while on TRT? Do you know how you respond to SERM's if you ever want to attempt a restart? Some men cannot handle the side effects of these at all.
Do you care about your fertility? Do you ever want to have children? Do you know about shutting down upstream hormones like pregnenolone, progesterone, DHEA etc?
Do you know how to modulate your testosterone dose if you start having high estrogenic side effects or are you going to do down another rabbit hole and start playing with an aromatase inhibitor like anastrozole? Are you prepared to donate blood regularly if your hematocrit becomes too high?
There is a reason your T is low and this is just another Band-Aid that will come with it's own set of problems and costs.
Don't go down this path unless you have answers to at the very least all of the questions I proposed above."
"Testosterone, especially exogenous has adrenergic effects. A lot of people aren't aware of this.
Also, when our HPTA axis gets shut down, it reduces our endogenous production of progesterone. Progesterone is calming, so a reduction will amplify the adrenergic effects of testosterone. If estrogen climbs, that can also contribute via more intense emotional responses.
All of that can increase cortisol and adrenaline over time. That can lead to a decrease of magnesium and potassium stores.
All of this combined can lead to tachycardia and some fluttering.
I already chimed in once, but I was on a huge number of protocols of TRT, HRT with a number of hormones, peptides, supplements, AI's etc. I attempted with all my will to force it to work for 8 years straight. 8 years.
I also donated blood regularly, cycling between whole blood as well as double red blood cell.
Since I've been off, I've lost muscle size and put on some fat, but my heart feels better and my mind feels sharper.
If we could back up, do you have your pre-TRT lab/bloodwork we could look at?
What does your current diet, hormones, supplements and other drugs look like?"
We have literal 14 year olds on this site hopping on roids and all sorts of hormones like GH and sarms. Yall are fucking up your shit and dont have any idea of the sides.
Stay natural
