OBO Update

[kingofkings]

My whole plan looks like this;

Softmaxx; Lean down, tan, grow out hair for 3 years, debloat/fix gut, get denser eyebrows and beard

Hardmaxx

OBO for 4mm IPD

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Lefort 2 DO+Bimax
Facial Implants (Jaw, Chin, Supra, Infra)

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Skull+Frontal Bone Implants

Soft tissue work (canthopexy, lower eyelid retraction, subnasale lip lift, commisuroplasty)

(Plan might change)

I think I can reach at least Chadlite

You will never be chadlite

Strong MTN is realistic

You're wasting your time planning an OBO, your eye spacing is the least of your problems

 

[NuclearGeo20]

You will never be chadlite

Strong MTN is realistic

You're wasting your time planning an OBO, your eye spacing is the least of your problems

can you explain why Ill never hit chadlite?

 

[kingofkings]

can you explain why Ill never hit chadlite?

No

 

[NuclearGeo20]

are you doing this to get a better life quality or just to get women? admiring the dedication but if it's just to slay i wouldn't advise it i can't imagine going throught that much pain . the obo morph do look good i need it aswell but i don't have that strenght

you think you don't have the strength, until the blackpill has absolutely annihilated your way of thinking.

Then you'll realize an operation that you don't feel until you wake up, which you can take medication to not feel pain, can save you theoretically, and after a while you accept it and stop coping with the fear.

The only thing I fear is the possibility of being botched. Obviously I'm scared of being skinned alive but I've accepted that this needs to happen in order for me to live the life I want. Money will not save you in any way.

I want a beautiful wife and better treatment from people. Also, being a chadlite+ is the ultimate confidence booster.

 

[NuclearGeo20]

No

@NZb6Air Would disagree with you.

Also my morphs would disagree with you

 

[kingofkings]

@NZb6Air Would disagree with you.

Also my morphs would disagree with you

Does Ramieri offer segmental lefort 1 + jaw widening?

Ye and that's GENIO CHIN WING not BSSO lmfao. I'm laughing because so many people come to you for surgical advice on this forum and you don't even know what that is in the scan. I'll give you a big hint it's not a chin wing or any variation of it.

looksmax.org

 

[NuclearGeo20]

Does Ramieri offer segmental lefort 1 + jaw widening?

Ye and that's GENIO CHIN WING not BSSO lmfao. I'm laughing because so many people come to you for surgical advice on this forum and you don't even know what that is in the scan. I'll give you a big hint it's not a chin wing or any variation of it.

looksmax.org

ok what is the point of the link?

What I meant by NZB would disagree, is that surgery is just mimicking ideal bone placement and contour with precise osteotomies and implants. It's nothing special like the doomers on the forum make it out to be.

 

[kingofkings]

ok what is the point of the link?

What I meant by NZB would disagree, is that surgery is just mimicking ideal bone placement and contour with precise osteotomies and implants. It's nothing special like the doomers on the forum make it out to be.

Do not cite NZB as some almighty authority on surgeries when he can't even read a CT scan

This is cluttering up someone else's thread so I'm out. But do tag me when you hit chadlite after your OBO and total skull reconstruction

 

[CopeTilliRope]

you think you don't have the strength, until the blackpill has absolutely annihilated your way of thinking.

Then you'll realize an operation that you don't feel until you wake up, which you can take medication to not feel pain, can save you theoretically, and after a while you accept it and stop coping with the fear.

The only thing I fear is the possibility of being botched. Obviously I'm scared of being skinned alive but I've accepted that this needs to happen in order for me to live the life I want. Money will not save you in any way.

I want a beautiful wife and better treatment from people. Also, being a chadlite+ is the ultimate confidence booster.

man i'm probably the most blackpilled person on this godamn website but i think ultimately acceptance is key even if it sounds like cope or just setting " realistic " surgeries goals that will fit your current facial base and what you want from life

even if i completely agree with you that your obo morph does bump you from a front view and will set a good base for implant and the rest. and maybe you're young so i can understand the all or nothing mindset.

but i am telling you don't do this if your goal is to get women as you will still not be " enough " for them you have no idea how incredibly high standards are in 2K25 and your post morph will still be invisible in the eyes of women so not worth enduring all that pain if it's the goal.

unironically if you want really increase your smw to get girls and is willing to do incredibly harsh surgery getting quadrilateral LL to reach 6ft5+ would have awayyy better roi combined with roiding rather than getting obo

 

[NuclearGeo20]

man i'm probably the most blackpilled person on this godamn website but i think ultimately acceptance is key even if it sounds like cope or just setting " realistic " surgeries goals that will fit your current facial base and what you want from life

even if i completely agree with you that your obo morph does bump you from a front view and will set a good base for implant and the rest. and maybe you're young so i can understand the all or nothing mindset.

but i am telling you don't do this if your goal is to get women as you will still not be " enough " for them you have no idea how incredibly high standards are in 2K25 and your post morph will still be invisible in the eyes of women so not worth enduring all that pain if it's the goal.

unironically if you want really increase your smw to get girls and is willing to do incredibly harsh surgery getting quadrilateral LL to reach 6ft5+ would have awayyy better roi combined with roiding rather than getting obo

I dont want to clog this guys thread anymore, but I understand your view.

But LL in the current state distorts body proportions in a negative way. It sucks. But I am considering doing 5cm on my tibia to get to 5 11.

The orbital box osteotomy will lay the foundation for other implants and surgeries, which will then hopefully get me to Chadlite maybe even Chad

 

[NarrowBoneMarrow]

I dont want to clog this guys thread anymore, but I understand your view.

But LL in the current state distorts body proportions in a negative way. It sucks. But I am considering doing 5cm on my tibia to get to 5 11.

The orbital box osteotomy will lay the foundation for other implants and surgeries, which will then hopefully get me to Chadlite maybe even Chad

You’re mentally ill

 

[DonaldJTrump]

I’ve been receiving a lot of DMs lately asking for updates on my orbital box osteotomy (OBO) results as well as general hardmaxxing advice. I’ve replied to many of you one on one, but I’m honestly tired of repeating the same points, so I’m putting it all here.


1. Surgical Journey
As I’ve said before, I will only post results once my entire surgical plan is complete. The final hard tissue phase (bimax + orbital osteotomy (a variation similar to tripod)) is scheduled for next month, in the same round as Clavicular's surgery in case you are following his journey. Assuming no complications, that will mark the end of the bone work.


Some people have suggested I at least post my eye area now. I’m not doing that. There are still minor soft tissue issues that would distort perception. The reality is, most people here can’t evaluate a surgery in context, they’ll fixate on something like an eyelid that still needs work instead of understanding the bigger picture. I’d rather present everything once it’s finished.


2. Advice, Morphs, and Contact
If you’re looking for advice, morphs, or info in general, don’t DM me here. I’ve set up a dedicated X (Twitter) account for this. I’ll be posting free morphs and sharing detailed info there. Follow me and DM me on X if you want to reach out.

X: https://x.com/BlackpillBp

How did your face go from 135mm wide to 147mm wide? Zygo implants did the widening? Or something about the OBO cut?

 

[esoterik]

Do not cite NZB as some almighty authority on surgeries when he can't even read a CT scan

This is cluttering up someone else's thread so I'm out. But do tag me when you hit chadlite after your OBO and total skull reconstruction

after talking to nzb for a bit and actually questioning his takes/assumptions, hes just a pubmed warrior that doesnt even read the studies he links

i caught him misinterpreting and lying about contents of an study by eyecos, he linked the study and showed 2-3 of the figures and highlighted stats to prove his point, not realizing that 2 sentences down his entire argument crumbled

can you explain why Ill never hit chadlite?

because giant's turkish surgeons cant perform osteotomies without botching, if u saw the lf2 & one of the obo leaks, its clear why you wont become a chadlite lol

dont let giant convince you something that he cant do, he's a great choice for basic stuff like supras, but hes young and has incompetent people around him, forever hes been repping and reassuring people that celal was safe and trustworthy after numerous botches came out (shit satisfaction rate) it took him until like 1-2 months ago to drop celal due to botches, your going to trust someone like that

 

[NuclearGeo20]

after talking to nzb for a bit and actually questioning his takes/assumptions, hes just a pubmed warrior that doesnt even read the studies he links

i caught him misinterpreting and lying about contents of an study by eyecos, he linked the study and showed 2-3 of the figures and highlighted stats to prove his point, not realizing that 2 sentences down his entire argument crumbled


because giant's turkish surgeons cant perform osteotomies without botching, if u saw the lf2 & one of the obo leaks, its clear why you wont become a chadlite lol

dont let giant convince you something that he cant do, he's a great choice for basic stuff like supras, but hes young and has incompetent people around him, forever hes been repping and reassuring people that celal was safe and trustworthy after numerous botches came out (shit satisfaction rate) it took him until like 1-2 months ago to drop celal due to botches, your going to trust someone like that

I'll just get Ercin to do my surgery

From what Ive heard Ercin is very professional and nice. Hes also performed obos I belive. His results seem very nice especially rhino

 

[CopeTilliRope]

after talking to nzb for a bit and actually questioning his takes/assumptions, hes just a pubmed warrior that doesnt even read the studies he links

i caught him misinterpreting and lying about contents of an study by eyecos, he linked the study and showed 2-3 of the figures and highlighted stats to prove his point, not realizing that 2 sentences down his entire argument crumbled


because giant's turkish surgeons cant perform osteotomies without botching, if u saw the lf2 & one of the obo leaks, its clear why you wont become a chadlite lol

dont let giant convince you something that he cant do, he's a great choice for basic stuff like supras, but hes young and has incompetent people around him, forever hes been repping and reassuring people that celal was safe and trustworthy after numerous botches came out (shit satisfaction rate) it took him until like 1-2 months ago to drop celal due to botches, your going to trust someone like that

what's your take on cosmetic obo as of today ? are the results you seen all absolute botchjob ? thanks

 

[esoterik]

what's your take on cosmetic obo as of today ? are the results you seen all absolute botchjob ? thanks

yeah, the leak that came out was a shitshow, liam says it was because the patient was 3 weeks out and needed to recover, but that wasn't the issue

 

[CopeTilliRope]

yeah, the leak that came out was a shitshow, liam says it was because the patient was 3 weeks out and needed to recover, but that wasn't the issue

thanks so obo is still a pipedream i guess. maybe it was due to swelling tho 3 weeks is still nothing in term of recovery or was the result in itself that bad ? thx

 

[kingofkings]

after talking to nzb for a bit and actually questioning his takes/assumptions, hes just a pubmed warrior that doesnt even read the studies he links

i caught him misinterpreting and lying about contents of an study by eyecos, he linked the study and showed 2-3 of the figures and highlighted stats to prove his point, not realizing that 2 sentences down his entire argument crumbled

Matches my own experience debating with him

He's also way too idealist and sincerely believes the "right surgeries" can ascend anyone to CL. If only it was that simple

 

[AustrianMogger]

Could you provide evidence if you don't mind

In my analyzation what determines if the eyes look close or far set is the actual distance between the eyes and inner canthuses, not the ESR.

My proof is the following.

Jordan Barrett has .42 ESR but his eyes don't look close set because his eyes are the proper distance from each other, but his face is too wide, which we can objectively see. This is what causes the .42 ESR.

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On the other hand, someone like Jared Padelecki has an ESR of .45, but his eyes are farther apart than average, but his skull is also huge. He looks wide set despite having .45.

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Similar to mine, i have 63 ipd but esr of 43.

 

[AustrianMogger]

My whole plan looks like this;

Softmaxx; Lean down, tan, grow out hair for 3 years, debloat/fix gut, get denser eyebrows and beard

Hardmaxx

OBO for 4mm IPD

View attachment 4030035

Lefort 2 DO+Bimax
Facial Implants (Jaw, Chin, Supra, Infra)

View attachment 4030042

Skull+Frontal Bone Implants

Soft tissue work (canthopexy, lower eyelid retraction, subnasale lip lift, commisuroplasty)

(Plan might change)

I think I can reach at least Chadlite

What is your current ipd ?

 

[NuclearGeo20]

What is your current ipd ?

61 also check out my new thread

RATIOS DEBUNKED GTFIH; BEAUTY EXPLAINED

In this thread I will prove that ratios do not matter for attractiveness, and that only features/measurements matter for attractiveness. Some people might say water is wet, but a decent proportion of Looksmax doesn't understand these concepts. If anybody can logically disprove the logic within...

looksmax.org

 

[AustrianMogger]

true on the commisuroplasty. From what I know it's only done on deformed people. I think I could grow out my moustache to cover up my mouth corners, in combination with a subnasale lip lift for the ideal philtrum.

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If I were to delay OBO, my plan would then look like this

LF2+DJS+Jaw Implants
OBO
Facial and skull Implants
Soft tissues + fat grafting (forgot to add)

So I would only be delaying it by one surgery. I dont know if I could hit CL without OBO which makes me worried, but Ill prob keep researching and find out the best plan forward.

Also remember that scar removal exists

 

[esoterik]

Matches my own experience debating with him

He's also way too idealist and sincerely believes the "right surgeries" can ascend anyone to CL. If only it was that simple

hes idealistic because hes a self proclaimed subhuman/ low low low ltn 5'8 26 year old, so of course it appealing to him

 

[Devon]

Matches my own experience debating with him

He's also way too idealist and sincerely believes the "right surgeries" can ascend anyone to CL. If only it was that simple

Same guy who thinks an impaction at the lf1 level can reduce someone’s Midface btw

 

[kranerman23123]

are you doing this to get a better life quality or just to get women? admiring the dedication but if it's just to slay i wouldn't advise it i can't imagine going throught that much pain . the obo morph do look good i need it aswell but i don't have that strenght

chad affirming surgery

 

[CopeTilliRope]

Matches my own experience debating with him

He's also way too idealist and sincerely believes the "right surgeries" can ascend anyone to CL. If only it was that simple

Same guy who thinks an impaction at the lf1 level can reduce someone’s Midface btw

sorry to be annoying af but is the consensus in 2K25 is that there is nothing we can do to actually reduce the midface an especially soft tissues?

i keep browsing post results of djs surgeries on forum and the before and after from surgeons i consulted and despite them gaslighting me trying to convince themselves their patient look better from a front view it's never the case unless they started with super compact midfaces to start with otherwise they look wayy too long from the front post op .

 

[kingofkings]

Same guy who thinks an impaction at the lf1 level can reduce someone’s Midface btw

You already showed the forum your astounding intelligence when you couldn't tell which picture was the before and after in the LF3 topic, despite me telling you which was which.

Even worse you then doubled down on your own bullshit and in probably the most pathetic LARP I've ever witnessed in the surgery subforum you actually pretended to have contacted the LF3 patient to try and confirm your own stupidity LMFAO... which you later retracted when you finally realised you had clowned yourself

https://looksmax.org/threads/very-bad-lefort-iii-result.1557854/post-22264269

HOLY FUCKING HOLY. Most people would delete their account in shame at this point

I already told you I was done replying to you in that midface topic. I stopped replying btw because I presented you a research paper which documented midface shortening including measurements (one of many out there I have seen) and I was bored of the topic quite frankly. If someone thinks I'm wrong or a retard for going off what I've seen in medical papers fair enough, I don't care and won't be wasting my time. I'm just like anyone else here, trying to understand what I can from the best sources I can find

Since you're obviously going to keep following me around like a pathetic little bitch you've got the honour of being the first person I've ever added to ignore