Occipital Reduction

[Pendejo]

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your point? Big occipuit means u are high class and have above average iq, imagine paying for invansive surgery to look like a brute with 85 IQ

Big occiput looks bad

 

[Striking resemblance]

Sean O'Pry would have looked much better with a more flat occiput. And srs whos gives a f about if its supposed to show "high iq"?! It looks like shit anyway and is never something that make anyone look better.

 

[Mayorga]

It looks like shit anyway and is never something that make anyone look better.

risk-reward for a surgery like that is atrocious though, wasting time and money to get 0.00001 points improvement in SMV. Yeah, ideally you'd have a smaller occiput but fixing a big one is number 598239 on the priority list.

Sean O'Pry would have looked much better with a more flat occiput.

100% negligible IRL, especially on him

 

[Averagecel]

Big occiput looks bad
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His side profile looks bad because of his recessed chin + jaw, pencil neck, and long philtrum.

I fixed all the flaws I just mentioned without changing his big occiput (I only leveled the hair on the beck of the head)

Look how good his side profile looks now, with the same occiput.

The occiput isn't the reason why he looks subhuman, it's his FACE. Only autists care about occiputs. Do you think women would reject this guy for having a big occiput?

The answer is obviously no.

Btw this is one of most autistic threads of the year. Imagine paying for a completely useless surgery instead of using that money to fix your FACE, that makes no fucking sense.

 

[Pendejo]

His side profile looks bad because of his recessed chin + jaw, pencil neck, and long philtrum.

I fixed all the flaws I just mentioned without changing his big occiput (I only leveled the hair on the beck of the head)

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Look how good his side profile looks now, with the same occiput.

The occiput isn't the reason why he looks subhuman, it's his FACE. Only autists care about occiputs. Do you think women would reject this guy for having a big occiput?

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The answer is obviously no.

Btw this is one of most autistic threads of the year. Imagine paying for a completely useless surgery instead of using that money to fix your FACE, that makes no fucking sense.

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He would still look better with a less prominent occiput, the occiput contributes to his bad side profile.

The occiput of the guy that you posted looks good.

All of your features need to be perfect and you must do everything you can to achieve that!!

 

[Averagecel]

He would still look better with a less prominent occiput, the occiput contributes to his bad side profile.

Most people don't care about your side profile as long as it's not deformed.

Front and 3/4 >>>>>>>> side profile

His side profile would probably look better with a less prominent occiput, but it wouldn't increase his SMV/attractiveness.

If side profile were that important, Jeremy Meeks wouldn't be where he is today.

All of your features need to be perfect and you must do everything you can to achieve that!!

Your features don't need to be perfect to compensate for a big occiput, all you need is a projecting chin, average to above average forward growth, good brow ridge, and a non-hooked small to medium nose.

Like I said, only basement-dwelling autists care about the back of someone's head.

 

[Pendejo]

If side profile were that important, Jeremy Meeks wouldn't be where he is today.

Side profile is very important, Meeks can get away with his mediocre side profile because of his race and because his front is almost perfect.

 

[WBC323]

Why do that when occipital bun is inherited from alpha caveman

 

[Averagecel]

Side profile is very important, Meeks can get away with his mediocre side profile because of his race and because his front is almost perfect.

It is important, but not as important as you might think.

All you need is a passable side profile (non-deformed).

Most people don't care about your side profile as long as it's not deformed.

The word deformed in my sentence is a hyperbole, what I mean by deformed is below average features (flaws) like a recessed chin, hooked nose, etc. A big occiput is not a flaw, btw.

Nobody cares about your side profile as long as it's not "deformed".

A 10/10 (perfect) side profile would increase your attractiveness by as much as a passable/decent side profile would... zero.

A more than passable (above average) side profile doesn't increase your rating. A bad side profile, on the other hand, can decrease your rating.

 

[Pendejo]

All you need is a passable side profile (non-deformed).

All you need for what?

A big occiput is not a flaw, btw.

A big occiput makes you look worse so it is a flaw.

A 10/10 (perfect) side profile would increase your attractiveness by as much as a passable/decent side profile would... zero.

Wrong, every improvement matters, jfl at thinking that theres not difference between these side profiles:

 

[Averagecel]

All you need for what?

All you need is a passable side profile to not decrease your rating.

A big occiput makes you look worse so it is a flaw.

It doesn't make you look worse, it actually haloes you by making you look high IQ, high class, and more evolved. A flat or small occiput looks primitive.

Imagine thinking this primitive low IQ skull shape (brachycephalic)...

looks better than this high IQ evolved skull shape (dolichocephalic):

It obviously has nothing to do with IQ. Skull shape ≠ IQ
It just makes you look high IQ imo.

Wrong, every improvement matters, jfl at thinking that theres not difference between these side profiles:

The prettyboy and the slayer side profile don't increase attractiveness.

The incel side profile does make a difference in attractiveness, because it's literally deformed. It decreases your rating.

 

[Pendejo]

Imagine thinking this primitive low IQ skull shape (brachycephalic)...

looks better than this high IQ evolved skull shape (dolichocephalic):

Obviously a complete flat occiput doesnt looks good, but is better than a prominent occiput.

Again the majority of the guys you posted as examples dont have bad occiputs (and neither they have dolichocephalic skulls, they have mesocephalic skulls)

Mesocephalic and Brachycephalic are the best skull types, jfl at you saying that dolichocephalic skulls are better than brachycephalic skulls, @Gudru @Rugged can you guys believe this jfl?

The prettyboy and the slayer side profile have a zero increase in attractiveness.

Wrong, the slayer side profile would be perceived as more attractive, it makes no sense to argue with you since it seems you don't understand.

 

[Averagecel]

mesocephalic skulls

If this isn't a dolichocephalic skull, you're a blind nigger.

Mesocephalic and Brachycephalic are the best skull types, jfl at you saying that dolichocephalic skulls are better than brachycephalic skulls, @Gudru @Rugged can you guys believe this jfl?

Keep calling your boyfriends to help you, because you can't debate with me on your own.

Wrong, the slayer side profile would be perceived as more attractive, it makes no sense to argue with you since it seems you don't understand.

FACT #1: An attractive face can make girls wet

I don't remember seeing women, or men, for that matter, lusting after or even masturbating to someone's aesthetic side profile. Maybe you're just projecting your weird fetish for side profiles. Nothin wrong with that, people have fetishes for all kinds of things.

So what's the point of having an aesthetic side profile if it's not attractive to women like an aesthetic face is?

Attractive = making girls wet and want to fuck you

FACT #2: girls don't drool over or masturbate to side profiles

If it were true that side profiles make girls wet and they masturbate to side profiles, there would be instagram accounts, facebook, and other social media pages dedicated to unattractive people with good side profiles just like there are instagram accounts dedicated to attractive people with ugly side profiles.

An attractive person with an ugly side profile has gorillions accounts and pages dedicated to him (his face) on every social media platform.

An unattractive person with a good side profile ain't got shit.

Also, there are people who create pages dedicated to side profiles, but they're not popular and relevant, because women don't care about aesthetic side profiles.

FACT #3: We remember people by their faces, not side profiles

Wrong, the slayer side profile would be perceived as more attractive, it makes no sense to argue with you since it seems you don't understand.

If girls had to choose between Jeremy Meeks, Gandy, and someone who's as good looking as them but with a better side profile, do you think girls would choose the guy with the best side profile, just because he has the best side profile?

The answer is no. They would choose one of them based on their preferences (race, height, etc.) , intuition, etc.

Conclusion: a slayer side profile doesn't make you more attractive to women (doesn't increase your SMV).

A severely deformed side profile decreases your rating, but then again, there are no good looking people with severely deformed side profiles.

Like I said, all you need is a passable side profile.

A 10/10 (perfect) side profile would increase your attractiveness by as much as a passable/decent side profile would... zero.

 

[Averagecel]

I shouldn't have made a big deal out of this autistic thread. It was a waste of time.

Fuck this thread and fuck OP.

 

[Pendejo]

If this isn't a dolichocephalic skull, you're a blind nigger.

Thats why i said "the majority of the guys you posted dont have dolichocephalic skulls" instead of "none of the guys you posted have a dolichocephalic skull"

If girls had to choose between Jeremy Meeks, Gandy, and someone who's as good looking as them but with a better side profile, do you think girls would choose the guy with the best side profile, just because he has the best side profile?

Yes.

If they had to choose between Jeremy Meeks with his side profile and a version of Jeremy Meeks with perfect side profile they would choose the one with good side profile.

Also Gandy side profile is above average.

Conclusion: a slayer side profile doesn't make you more attractive to women (doesn't increase your SMV).

Wrong, thats like saying that being 6'3" doesnt make a difference from being 6' jfl

 

[Averagecel]

@Pendejo I didn't read your piss-weak autistic reply. You're beyond autistic.

Let's look at the statistics (it's not a large enough sample size to be 100% representative, but I think it's close to reality)

I can't find any legit scientific research about the importance of side profile, but from my experience and common sense the poll I just posted seems to reflect reality.

Only a small percentage of girls think that you need a great side profile. The percentage would probably be even lower in a larger sample.

Side profile matters, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't matter as much as you think.

 

[alligatordude]

who tha fack cares about the occupit nigga jhonessssss??
that shit is a neanderthal trait anyways meaning u have more masculine genetics and probs more intelligent too
also read some of what yall autists said above

side profile matters ALOT in motion for commanding respect and looking like someone who u shouldnt fuck with
but again
EVERYTHING MATTERS in real life
but pictures and someones memory of you is pretty much a picture of ur front of course ur profile doesnt become involved CUZ THAT SHIT AINT REAL LIFE HOMEY

 

[JustTrynaGrow]

advanced autism indeed, everyone outside has that shit both foids and males
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smv has increased by 0%

srs
normies don't give a fuck about this irl

 

[Usum]

I've been letting my hairs grow for a while and I now have a sort of mane which involuntarily masked this and seems to have great effect on others.
Plus it widens your face too without altering your front-face qualities.
Finally, mewing mainly affects the occipital zone (cracks) so it remodels this region too.

 

[Averagecel]

seems to have great effect on others.

Can you elab?

 

[Usum]

Can you elab?

Men my age rarely display vitality through hairs.

 

[Virgincel]

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your point?

What a heightfrauding bastard

 

[Deleted member 3990]

I shouldn't have made a big deal out of this autistic thread. It was a waste of time.

Fuck this thread and fuck OP.

There are also manlets who have entire fan sites dedicated to them

Does this make tallness useless ?

I dont see any women worshipping medial canthus as feature

Does it make it irrelevant ?

Cope as much as you want, but a bigger occipit means that in you developemental years, your body put more into the growth of the occipit (and others) than in the growth of the splanchnocranium

So, it means that there was effort wasted by not getting more/better facial growth

O'Pry's side looks pathetic and his unfrauded frontals also do not look that good in my eyes

but guess what, Westerners live up to it and see it as a normal skull

the occcipital reduction surgery may be a bit autistic, but OPry will never be as robust as my AVI

but does my AVI look low IQ and low Class (As in your assumption that bigger Occipit is higher class) ?

The interests shifts here between certain kind of users
You follow the statement of many Lookismers and idealize the Westernized skull and high class

The other group idealizes the (maybe primitive) robust and forward grown skull

also there is a difference between ethnic occipit and smaller occipit due to real robustness

from the features similar, but still slightly different

Who is the Roach and who is the masculine leader who can not lose ?

 

[Averagecel]

There are also manlets who have entire fan sites dedicated to them

Does this make tallness useless ?

No, because the fandoms (fan sites) dedicated to tall people are more valued, and outnumber the fandoms of manlets, just like pics of the front and 3/4 of models posted on social media (IG, Facebook, Twitter, etc.) and fandoms, outnumber and are valued more by women than pics of side profiles.

And I've never said that side profile is useless. It is important, but not as important as you and @Pendejo think.

Cope as much as you want, but a bigger occipit means that in you developemental years, your body put more into the growth of the occipit (and others) than in the growth of the splanchnocranium

So, it means that there was effort wasted by not getting more/better facial growth

I don't think there's a strong correlation between occipital prominence and forward growth. If that were true, then there wouldn't be so many people with big occiputs who have optimally developed and forward grown splanchnocraniums.

Sean O'Pry has a big and a more forward grown splanchnocranium than most guys with small occiputs. O'Pry is not the only example, there are gorillions of other examples.

Also, where's the evidence that shows that people with bigger occiput don't have optimal splanchnocranium growth?

O'Pry's side looks pathetic and his unfrauded frontals also do not look that good in my eyes

Is that why he's a supermodel who makes millions of dollars, and drowns in validation and pussy?

Nobody cares how good he looks in your ugly bug eyes.

You can't fraud in motion. Watch these videos and read the comments:

does my AVI look low IQ and low Class (As in your assumption that bigger Occipit is higher class) ?

The interests shifts here between certain kind of users

You follow the statement of many Lookismers and idealize the Westernized skull and high class

The other group idealizes the (maybe primitive) robust and forward grown skull

You assume that a forward grown robust skull and a big occiput are mutally exclusive, but it's not true.

Robustness has nothing to do with the occiput. There are people with big occiputs who have forward grown robust skulls.

This guy (Daniel Conn) has a big occiput and is more robust than most guys with small occiputs.

This proves that you can have a big occiput and look robust.

The most robust looking person I've ever seen in my life had a big occiput.

Inb4 he would look more robust with a smaller occiput.

Maybe he would look more robust to you, because you're autistic. He would look equally robust to normal people, if he had a smaller occiput.

I don't idealize any particular skull shape, because as long as your skull doesn't look deformed (xenomorph tier or rat child tier skull), it's totally irrelevant to attractiveness.

I also don't think that a small occiput looks bad.

there is a difference between ethnic occipit and smaller occipit due to real robustness

from the features similar, but still slightly different

Who is the Roach and who is the masculine leader who can not lose ?

They both look comical lmao. Do you unironically idealize the man in your avi, who looks like a World of Warcraft character? Are you that autistic? He looks so uncanney valley that it's not even funny.

Too much of anything is bad. The ogre in your avi looks too robust.

The ideal Chad is the masthetic Chad, because it has a beatiful mix of robustness and prettiness. Not too robust and not too feminine = ideal

Same thing applies to side profiles. A too uncanney valley side profile due to deformed tier xenomorph occiput, pinhead skull, or too robust skull is unattractive.

Balance and moderation is the key.

the occcipital reduction surgery may be a bit autistic, but OPry will never be as robust as my AVI

Like I said, looking uncanney valley is not a good thing. Too much of anything is bad. O'Pry is already teetering on the edge of uncanney valley due to his exotic looks, with the robustness of your avi he would probably lose most of his appeal, and wouldn't be where he is today.

The key element in our debate is female attraction. So, what's the point of having that level of robsutness if it doesn't make you more attractive to women? It probably makes you less attractive, because you look unapproachable/intimidating.

Even without increasing O'Pry's robustness, but instead, only making his occiput smaller, his SMV and rating wouldn't increase. He would be as attractive as he is now.

I stand by my original point:

Side profile is important, but not as important as you might think.

All you need is a passable side profile (non-deformed).

A 10/10 (perfect) side profile would increase your attractiveness by as much as a passable/decent side profile would... zero.

A more than passable (above average) side profile doesn't increase your rating. A bad side profile, on the other hand, can decrease your rating.

 

[Deleted member 3990]

No, because the fandoms (fan sites) dedicated to tall people are more valued, and outnumber the fandoms of manlets, just like pics of the front and 3/4 of models posted on social media (IG, Facebook, Twitter, etc.) and fandoms, outnumber and are valued more by women than pics of side profiles.

And I've never said that side profile is useless. It is important, but not as important as you and @Pendejo think.


I don't think there's a strong correlation between occipital prominence and forward growth. If that were true, then there wouldn't be so many people with big occiputs who have optimally developed and forward grown splanchnocraniums.

Sean O'Pry has a big and a more forward grown splanchnocranium than most guys with small occiputs. O'Pry is not the only example, there are gorillions of other examples.

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Also, where's the evidence that shows that people with bigger occiput don't have optimal splanchnocranium growth?


Is that why he's a supermodel who makes millions of dollars, and drowns in validation and pussy?

Nobody cares how good he looks in your ugly bug eyes.

You can't fraud in motion. Watch these videos and read the comments:




You assume that a forward grown robust skull and a big occiput are mutally exclusive, but it's not true.

Robustness has nothing to do with the occiput. There are people with big occiputs who have forward grown robust skulls.

This guy (Daniel Conn) has a big occiput and is more robust than most guys with small occiputs.

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This proves that you can have a big occiput and look robust.

The most robust looking person I've ever seen in my life had a big occiput.

Inb4 he would look more robust with a smaller occiput.

Maybe he would look more robust to you, because you're autistic. He would look equally robust to normal people, if he had a smaller occiput.

I don't idealize any particular skull shape, because as long as your skull doesn't look deformed (xenomorph tier or rat child tier skull), it's totally irrelevant to attractiveness.

I also don't think that a small occiput looks bad.



They both look comical lmao. Do you unironically idealize the man in your avi, who looks like a World of Warcraft character? Are you that autistic? He looks so uncanney valley that it's not even funny.

Too much of anything is bad. The ogre in your avi looks too robust.

The ideal Chad is the masthetic Chad, because it has a beatiful mix of robustness and prettiness. Not too robust and not too feminine = ideal

Same thing applies to side profiles. A too uncanney valley side profile due to deformed tier xenomorph occiput, pinhead skull, or too robust skull is unattractive.

Balance and moderation is the key.


Like I said, looking uncanney valley is not a good thing. Too much of anything is bad. O'Pry is already teetering on the edge of uncanney valley due to his exotic looks, with the robustness of your avi he would probably lose most of his appeal, and wouldn't be where he is today.

The key element in our debate is female attraction. So, what's the point of having that level of robsutness if it doesn't make you more attractive to women? It probably makes you less attractive, because you look unapproachable/intimidating.

Even without increasing O'Pry's robustness, but instead, only making his occiput smaller, his SMV and rating wouldn't increase. He would be as attractive as he is now.

I stand by my original point:

I have obviously morphed my AVI

I will use pictures now too

Look at this low Class, low IQ ogre:

Spoiler: side

Does this look rare ? Yes
But it is not alien and nor unattractive (or atleast unaesthetic)

We are fan of robustness but without getting ogre ofc


We dont like the gracile and often also recessed and weak features we have (or which is standard nowadays)

in your ugly bug eyes.

kek
I unironically asked Andreichshev about orbital shaving

Like I said, looking uncanney valley is not a good thing. Too much of anything is bad. O'Pry is already teetering on the edge of uncanney valley due to his exotic looks, with the robustness of your avi he would probably lose most of his appeal, and wouldn't be where he is today.

The key element in our debate is female attraction. So, what's the point of having that level of robsutness if it doesn't make you more attractive to women? It probably makes you less attractive, because you look unapproachable/intimidating.

Even without increasing O'Pry's robustness, but instead, only making his occiput smaller, his SMV and rating wouldn't increase. He would be as attractive as he is now.

Are you that autistic?

Serious ?
You are projecting hard

You want to defame popular users of a forum based around male looks and aesthetics; defending Sean O'Pry from an autist who likes robustness and not gracile faggotry; go on to write several text walls with insults to me and an user who legitimately doesnt like his occiput (despite the crazy surgery)

You want to put this effort into Biochemistry instead ? Or read some Enlow books ?
Or do you want to argue about (pathetic) lookstheory and perish on this normiefied Forum

Still, If you cant see the influence of neruocranial growth and viscerocrania growth
and dont undertsand the relation of posterior and medial cranial fossa
but still copypasta arguments from Lookism.net which others chewed for you, then idk either

I quit here in the endeavour of finding out about growth and developement of the human
PSL doesnt go behind the face, which just shows how superficial you/we are
and I dont want to pioneer such things myself, because no one reciprocates and after all, my "IQ" is average

I may be autistic (nothing to be ashamed of) but I know what is really good for well-being and what not and it doesnt take long now until I quit the PSL scene

I have got what I needed and it doesnt seem like I learn anything new from the general userbase
the ones I actually see as mentors are also the people who dont really engage in such arguements like this nor do create threads
please defame me, so I dont get PMs anymore from random users

 

[Striking resemblance]

Robustness has nothing to do with the occiput. There are people with big occiputs who have forward grown robust skulls.

This guy (Daniel Conn) has a big occiput and is more robust than most guys with small occiputs.

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This proves that you can have a big occiput and look robust.

The most robust looking person I've ever seen in my life had a big occiput.

Well, if thats the personal preference for a "big occiput" we really cant tell if "the most robust looking person" really had a big occiput.
But from a neutral stance, Daniel Conn def dosnt have a big occiput but rather leaning on the smaller side. I do get though that this is fairly new and most pple reading this thread never heard of occiput b4. Its not black and white, some have a small, som have basically visually nonexisting and complete flat (wich also looks like shit) and some have just normal occiput, its when it gets to a certain level it starts to look like shit.

The first pic of Conn tells without looking from the side that he has a smaller occiput.
Like one can tell that this one he has a big occiput and it looks like shit.

If Conn really had a bigger occiput he would never look like this from this angle.

So for the record, this is whats called the "warrior skull". But there are som extreme versions also, like Bock Lesnar.

 

[Averagecel]

Well, if thats the personal preference for a "big occiput" we really cant tell if "the most robust looking person" really had a big occiput.
But from a neutral stance, Daniel Conn def dosnt have a big occiput but rather leaning on the smaller side. I do get though that this is fairly new and most pple reading this thread never heard of occiput b4. Its not black and white, some have a small, som have basically visually nonexisting and complete flat (wich also looks like shit) and some have just normal occiput, its when it gets to a certain level it starts to look like shit.
The first pic of Conn tells without looking from the side that he has a smaller occiput.
Like one can tell that this one he has a big occiput and it looks like shit.
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If Conn really had a bigger occiput he would never look like this from this angle.
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So for the record, this is whats called the "warrior skull". But there are som extreme versions also, like Bock Lesnar.
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He doesn't have a warrior skull. His skull is a hybrid of warrior skull and gay alien skull. I call it the hybrid skull.

This is what a true warrior skull looks like:

They have properly developed splanchnocraniums and the back of their skulls doesn't stick out.

This is a gay alien skull:

He has an underdeveloped splanchnocranium and the back of his skull sticks out.

Hybrid skull:

He has a gay alien neurocranium (the back of the skull sticks out significantly) and a (properly developed) warrior splanchnocranium

Other examples of hybrid skulls:

 

[Striking resemblance]

He def has more of a warrior skull in that pic with tattoes. But he is not someone that should be posted as a good example of a warrior skull, there are better examples like I said Brock Lensar among others. Most pple arnt 100 % this or that. The point though was to show that he hasnt a big occiput wich is pretty clear that he dosnt have.

 

[middlecel]

If your head looks like this bald are you fucked? I know you can grow hair but lets say you like your hair short or you're balding (assuming you have good forward growth despite the occipital)