On Anti-natalism, Biological Dependencies, Celibacy.

[Tabula Rasa]

While I'm not an ardent Anti-natalist, it's a position that I have moved strongly towards in recent years. The notion of an individual desiring not to have children does have some merit, and it's an idea that some of you may resonate with depending on your own experiences.

The sexual impulse is a product of the biological urge to reproduce that occurs among living species on this planet. Reproduction is essentially a form of biological life extension, it's a prerogative for a species in order to survive, the function of an organism is essentially as a vessel carrying genetic information to be disseminated. However, as a being capable of introspection and thought, I choose not to equate myself with my biological functions. As an individual, I'm independent of the impulses which drive me as a biological organism to reproduce.

Our culture emphasizes fertility. However, having children better serves the interests of others rather than our own. Businessmen and politicians want another wageslave to squeeze labor and capital out of from cradle to coffin. Different groups want us to be fertile in order to propagate whatever ethnicity/culture/religion which we were assigned to at birth. These forces prey upon our biological dependencies and vulnerabilities to give in eventually, betabux a roastie wife and end up spitting out a few kids.

The reason humans are motivated to undertake any sexual activity at all is in order to satisfy their biological need to reproduce. And a sizable portion each generation do end up reproducing, however I myself have no interest in taking part of this cycle. I would prefer my life to cease upon my death, and my presence on this earth to be erased, rather than extending it through some offspring I have. I've no intention of continuing to participate in humanity long after my death. Some points I've heard against this is that it's a form of biological immortality, muh bloodline, etc. I find this premise nonsensical, because by reproducing, you are creating another sovereign individual who is apart and independent from yourself. While I share biological information with the previous generations before me, my ancestors are not 'living through me', the unremarkable and hapless incel that I am.

Natalists end up foistering their expectations on the descendants that they have, (which again is akin to the various groups and interests that I have mentioned previously, they imprint their qualities and values onto their offspring), but as individuals, they only have one life. Trying to extend your life outside of that is a futile effort.

Moving on from this point, I am by no means suggesting for celibates to sublimate their biological urges, one should address them through self-pleasure, or even escorts, if they so have to.

One of the gripes that I have with some of the individuals in these spheres, is the underlying and covert female worship that is implicit in the culture. The Blackpill is gnosis, but if femoids are on your mind all the time, is that not also a form of pedestalizing them as well? If one is aware of how terrible and deceptive female nature is, would not the logical response be to stop desiring them and pay them no mind? Blackpillers free from Bluepill delusions are (rightfully) enraged at females and the chaos and destruction they have wreaked in our societies, yet there is still a lingering attachment to them, and that brings me again to the biological dependencies which I have talked about. Blackpillers tend to call out individuals who have been turned off and are not interested in women as 'copers', while claiming sex and romantic relationships are essential to life. But by claiming this, is this not a form of idealizing women? If one is aware of the facts of the Blackpill, it should follow then that there's no reason to desire them at all.

In incel culture, escorting is generally not seen as counting towards ascending from incel status—one would need to enter a relationship in order to do so.

But romantic love has become increasingly rare and sparing especially in the past few decades, even among normies—more often than not they end up getting divorce cucked or landing in a dead bedroom. Knowing female nature, I would not want myself shackled to some roastie whore wife for the rest of my life, I'd much rather prefer my autonomy as an incel than being consigned to that fate.

So what explains this 'lingering attachment', this erroneous notion that femoids will somehow make you fulfilled in life? I'd propose that the biological urge to reproduce, always omnipresent, is made manifest in the suffering and despair that many incels experience upon realization they will never find a woman or reproduce, but above all this neuroticism is the logical conclusion that one arrives at—that women are not worth your time and sufferings. By remaining dependent on females, you will continue to be a slave to them.

The use of the word cope signifies that something is used as a substitute in place of an object of desire which is unattainable, but if that object is no longer present or longed for, then it is no longer a cope. By becoming aware of and realizing their desire for sex and female relationships is only a product of their biological dependencies and urges to reproduce, and detaching them from their own individual identity, then can Blackpillers truly be free.

 

[Tabula Rasa]

0 Replies, 1 viewer and already on the third page, just jfl.

 

[albanianblackguy]

If one is aware of how terrible and deceptive female nature is, would not the logical response be to stop desiring them and pay them no mind?

can u be aware and not let them spike ur stress hormones but still desire them in a way, i dont see myself detaching myself from females, i will surely not marry or have kids but i think the desire is too strong, i am not an incel but the desire becomes bigger with every slay tbh

 

[Tabula Rasa]

can u be aware and not let them spike ur stress hormones but still desire them in a way, i dont see myself detaching myself from females, i will surely not marry or have kids but i think the desire is too strong, i am not an incel but the desire becomes bigger with every slay tbh

It's about recognizing that those desires are not yours or belong to you in anyway, they are your biological urges which are influencing you.

 

[albanianblackguy]

It's about recognizing that those desire are not yours or belong to you in anyway, they are your biological urges which are influencing you.

i recognize them as biological urges, controlling them on the other hand

 

[Tabula Rasa]

Thread worth a pin? @Numb The Pain

 

[Alias!]

Natalist love saying my bloodline like they can even name half of their ancestors.

 

[Numb The Pain]

Natalist love saying my bloodline like they can even name half of their ancestors.

Or their likes, dislikes. Their happy stories. Their sad stories. It’s all meaningless, legacies are giga cope. Everyone will turn to bones.

 

[Alias!]

Or their likes, dislikes. Their happy stories. Their sad stories. It’s all meaningless, legacies are giga cope. Everyone will turn to bones.

Yea it just gives them a sense of community and purpose till it is over. I agree it is all meaningless

 

[Numb The Pain]

Yea it just gives them a sense of community and purpose till it is over. I agree it is all meaningless

Glad to know you agree. People like you and I, we are a minority. Everyone else copes with “muh legacy” “muh bloodline” but your post earlier disproves all that.

 

[Alias!]

cool too see other like minded people that share the same beliefs. But yeah most people can’t accept loneliness’s so cope with “muh legacy” “muh bloodline”

 

[Tabula Rasa]

Glad to know you agree. People like you and I, we are a minority. Everyone else copes with “muh legacy” “muh bloodline” but your post earlier disproves all that.

Thread worth pinning?

 

[Numb The Pain]

Thread worth pinning?

I would like to pin it. Sure.

 

[Tabula Rasa]

I would like to pin it. Sure.

Thanks. We should start pinning high effort threads to Offtopic more. They hardly ever get read or find traction.

Its not even worth it to make high effort threads to be honest.

You can spend four hours revising, researching, typing, and citing a thread, and it will get three replies, yet a thread about Indians getting with white girls gets 500 views and 70 replies. What’s the point in making good threads anymore? Org has devolved into the same low-effort slop that’s...

looksmax.org

 

[lifeless]

This is too much for my incel brain to comprehend

 

[whitebitchslayer]

I’m antinatalist but only if the couple is interracial

 

[Kroker]

Not to mention the gigantic responsibility that you have to cater for your offspring up until their adulthood, 18/20 years of slavery and free service to your own. No thank you.

That we are talking about male offspring, now imagine a female

 

[buddhistking]

Different groups want us to be fertile in order to propagate whatever ethnicity/culture/religion which we were assigned to at birth.

I have actually heard from other black ppl that blacks having 10 kids each in Africa is actually a good thing and that I need to have kids too so we can be high enough in population to conquer the white man one day

I'm not bringing kids into this world to fight your dumbass race war jfl

 

[superpsycho]

high iq, first long thread i haven’t dnrd after the first sentence in a while

i wouldnt say im a total antinatalist. i dont think people of my genetic inferiority should be able to reproduce though. i dont plan on passing down my dirty racemixxed genes to the next generation because i just dont think it would be right; not in a moral way because i dont give a fuck about any of that moralcuck shit, but because it would be ropefuel for myself seeing a mini-me running around who doesnt realize the brutal abused dog incel life that is awaiting him all because his genetically inferior father decided to reproduce. i guess u could say im in favor of eugenics, but i think using eugenics to create more attractive people is a losing game since the idea of whats attractive and whats not attractive would shift due to average looks getting better, hence making good looking guys in today’s world being just average men in that one. one thing i can say for certain though is things like racemixxing should be banned all across the world. that is the lowest thing you can do to your child if you decide to have one, he will, more times than not, lack all cultural identity whatsoever, and end up being unattractive. im a victim of white and asian racemixxing myself. it’s so fucking brutal. racemixxing is evil and should be forbidden worldwide, and i am EXTREMELY antinatalist when it comes to that.

also i like how u mentioned hiring escorts. no matter how much stigma that shit has, hiring escorts is based and u really cannot argue against it unless ur a cuck. betabuxxing for sex is the saddest, yet most common thing men do when it comes to relationships. most betabuxx relationships end up in a dead bedroom anyway. would you rather pay an escort for a one time pump&dump with no strings attached, or would u rather betabuxx and finance a ran through roastie wife’s lifestyle while raising chads kids for the next 15 years and getting divorced and half ur shit taken away? not only is escortmaxxing probably more enjoyable, but it is also a better financial decision. there is literally no reason to get married in this day and age, especially if you live in the west. absolutely and utterly pointless.

and you are extremely right about the blackpill putting women on a pedestal. the fact is, we have been raised in a very gynocentric society which puts a lot of a man’s value on his success wirh women. when you don’t have this growing up it will mentally fry you and eventually land you on forums like these. this is why i can’t blame blackpillers because at the end of the day, all we want is what everyone else (normies) had because this is what we were taught made us high value individuals. thats why it’s so hard to detach yourself from it, especially when sexual reproduction is a biological desire. but yea, realizing the blackpill revolves around your innate biological desires instead of your own desires is the first step to freeing yourself from the blackpill. you can always escape inceldom but this is the only escape from the blackpill.

i liked this thread good work

 

[goober55]

It may be true...but is it moral?
Pushing the pendulum towards incel hatred of women devotes mental energy, a form of worship which incapacitates the mind and spirit. At the same time it must be said that any person within this world is given the choice to be a contender or fodder. If your choice is to be fodder, then the whitepill of asceticism is ultimately correct. If your choice is to contend with fate and the wretched nature of the world, you must inevitably attach yourself to the outcome, as a result, ego leads to suffering. You can't say one option is better than the other, because in the end, there is no real calculus to evaluate them by. At least, not in the Godless west.

 

[Tabula Rasa]

high iq, first long thread i haven’t dnrd after the first sentence in a while

i wouldnt say im a total antinatalist. i dont think people of my genetic inferiority should be able to reproduce though. i dont plan on passing down my dirty racemixxed genes to the next generation because i just dont think it would be right; not in a moral way because i dont give a fuck about any of that moralcuck shit, but because it would be ropefuel for myself seeing a mini-me running around who doesnt realize the brutal abused dog incel life that is awaiting him all because his genetically inferior father decided to reproduce. i guess u could say im in favor of eugenics, but i think using eugenics to create more attractive people is a losing game since the idea of whats attractive and whats not attractive would shift due to average looks getting better, hence making good looking guys in today’s world being just average men in that one. one thing i can say for certain though is things like racemixxing should be banned all across the world. that is the lowest thing you can do to your child if you decide to have one, he will, more times than not, lack all cultural identity whatsoever, and end up being unattractive. im a victim of white and asian racemixxing myself. it’s so fucking brutal. racemixxing is evil and should be forbidden worldwide, and i am EXTREMELY antinatalist when it comes to that.

also i like how u mentioned hiring escorts. no matter how much stigma that shit has, hiring escorts is based and u really cannot argue against it unless ur a cuck. betabuxxing for sex is the saddest, yet most common thing men do when it comes to relationships. most betabuxx relationships end up in a dead bedroom anyway. would you rather pay an escort for a one time pump&dump with no strings attached, or would u rather betabuxx and finance a ran through roastie wife’s lifestyle while raising chads kids for the next 15 years and getting divorced and half ur shit taken away? not only is escortmaxxing probably more enjoyable, but it is also a better financial decision. there is literally no reason to get married in this day and age, especially if you live in the west. absolutely and utterly pointless.

and you are extremely right about the blackpill putting women on a pedestal. the fact is, we have been raised in a very gynocentric society which puts a lot of a man’s value on his success wirh women. when you don’t have this growing up it will mentally fry you and eventually land you on forums like these. this is why i can’t blame blackpillers because at the end of the day, all we want is what everyone else (normies) had because this is what we were taught made us high value individuals. thats why it’s so hard to detach yourself from it, especially when sexual reproduction is a biological desire. but yea, realizing the blackpill revolves around your innate biological desires instead of your own desires is the first step to freeing yourself from the blackpill. you can always escape inceldom but this is the only escape from the blackpill.

i liked this thread good work

Having children is just selfish and unethical, there is no need to perpetuate human suffering. You escape the Blackpill by becoming Whitepilled and freeing yourself from your cravings towards females.

 

[goober55]

Having children is just selfish and unethical, there is no need to perpetuate human suffering. You escape the Blackpill by becoming Whitepilled and freeing yourself from your cravings towards females.

except it'll still happen but by lower iq dumbfucks

 

[superpsycho]

Having children is just selfish and unethical, there is no need to perpetuate human suffering.

yep. especially if you have below average genes, like most people on this forum including me.

You escape the Blackpill by becoming Whitepilled and freeing yourself from your cravings towards females.

u have to admit, women are pretty high iq for using our desire for them against us. but you are right, the only way to escape the blackpill is not finding new ways to cope; it is merely freeing yourself from what you seek.

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

While I'm not an ardent Anti-natalist, it's a position that I have moved strongly towards in recent years. The notion of an individual desiring not to have children does have some merit, and it's an idea that some of you may resonate with depending on your own experiences.

The sexual impulse is a product of the biological urge to reproduce that occurs among living species on this planet. Reproduction is essentially a form of biological life extension, it's a prerogative for a species in order to survive, the function of an organism is essentially as a vessel carrying genetic information to be disseminated. However, as a being capable of introspection and thought, I choose not to equate myself with my biological functions. As an individual, I'm independent of the impulses which drive me as a biological organism to reproduce.

Our culture emphasizes fertility. However, having children better serves the interests of others rather than our own. Businessmen and politicians want another wageslave to squeeze labor and capital out of from cradle to coffin. Different groups want us to be fertile in order to propagate whatever ethnicity/culture/religion which we were assigned to at birth. These forces prey upon our biological dependencies and vulnerabilities to give in eventually, betabux a roastie wife and end up spitting out a few kids.

The reason humans are motivated to undertake any sexual activity at all is in order to satisfy their biological need to reproduce. And a sizable portion each generation do end up reproducing, however I myself have no interest in taking part of this cycle. I would prefer my life to cease upon my death, and my presence on this earth to be erased, rather than extending it through some offspring I have. I've no intention of continuing to participate in humanity long after my death. Some points I've heard against this is that it's a form of biological immortality, muh bloodline, etc. I find this premise nonsensical, because by reproducing, you are creating another sovereign individual who is apart and independent from yourself. While I share biological information with the previous generations before me, my ancestors are not 'living through me', the unremarkable and hapless incel that I am.

Natalists end up foistering their expectations on the descendants that they have, (which again is akin to the various groups and interests that I have mentioned previously, they imprint their qualities and values onto their offspring), but as individuals, they only have one life. Trying to extend your life outside of that is a futile effort.

Moving on from this point, I am by no means suggesting for celibates to sublimate their biological urges, one should address them through self-pleasure, or even escorts, if they so have to.

One of the gripes that I have with some of the individuals in these spheres, is the underlying and covert female worship that is implicit in the culture. The Blackpill is gnosis, but if femoids are on your mind all the time, is that not also a form of pedestalizing them as well? If one is aware of how terrible and deceptive female nature is, would not the logical response be to stop desiring them and pay them no mind? Blackpillers free from Bluepill delusions are (rightfully) enraged at females and the chaos and destruction they have wreaked in our societies, yet there is still a lingering attachment to them, and that brings me again to the biological dependencies which I have talked about. Blackpillers tend to call out individuals who have been turned off and are not interested in women as 'copers', while claiming sex and romantic relationships are essential to life. But by claiming this, is this not a form of idealizing women? If one is aware of the facts of the Blackpill, it should follow then that there's no reason to desire them at all.

In incel culture, escorting is generally not seen as counting towards ascending from incel status—one would need to enter a relationship in order to do so.

But romantic love has become increasingly rare and sparing especially in the past few decades, even among normies—more often than not they end up getting divorce cucked or landing in a dead bedroom. Knowing female nature, I would not want myself shackled to some roastie whore wife for the rest of my life, I'd much rather prefer my autonomy as an incel than being consigned to that fate.

So what explains this 'lingering attachment', this erroneous notion that femoids will somehow make you fulfilled in life? I'd propose that the biological urge to reproduce, always omnipresent, is made manifest in the suffering and despair that many incels experience upon realization they will never find a woman or reproduce, but above all this neuroticism is the logical conclusion that one arrives at—that women are not worth your time and sufferings. By remaining dependent on females, you will continue to be a slave to them.

The use of the word cope signifies that something is used as a substitute in place of an object of desire which is unattainable, but if that object is no longer present or longed for, then it is no longer a cope. By becoming aware of and realizing their desire for sex and female relationships is only a product of their biological dependencies and urges to reproduce, and detaching them from their own individual identity, then can Blackpillers truly be free.

 

[monecel]

Easiest argument against an anti-natalist: why don't I just kill you

 

[Yliaster]

Rehab Room tier thread

Interesting read btw glad the mods actually pinned it

 

[Yliaster]

@Tabula Rasa if you ever get a moment I strongly advise to please check out this video lol you will thank
me.It basically supplements everything you've highlighted in your post

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

Mogged hard
Mods just pin my thread already

 

[Daddy's Home]

Your thoughts and plans are normal to have because it's a very common and widespread feeling in society these days, because it's, in fact, a part of the evolution of our species

Throughout the history of our species, everything that has been created or done has had only one purpose, and that is to directly or indirectly, actively or passively increase the level of safety and comfort for women

If the woman gets safety and comfort, she can have children in optimal conditions, so she's happy, so the man gets more pussy as a reward, so the man is even more willing to try/fight to provide even more safety and comfort (he will come out of the cave, make friends with the same desires, go conquer territories, start wars, steal resources, kill enemies who want to kill him and rape his wife, etc. or today, threaten you with 25% taxes between continents, or threaten you with atomic bombs)

That's why we're now on a bed with a roof over our heads, not in a cave anymore, because there have been some men at some point who have been criticized for not doing enough, and they need to do more and do better, because otherwise they don't get pussy

There are 3 types of resources, genetic, material and human resources. All 3 are essential to have to ensure a woman's safety and comfort

Human resources are the services, information and help that other people are willing to give you. With human resources you build a nicer house, a better car, food delivered to your doorstep, etc.

Material resources are things that human resources can do things with for you. To have them, you either buy them or you own them

The 2 above today we have them at the highest level in the entire history of human civilization. Average guy lives a more satisfying life than the most powerful king 150-200 years ago

But what we don't have, and what we have started to work more towards in the last 100 years, are genetic resources. If you go outside now, you probably see that 90-95% of the population is ugly as shit, bombs of genetic diseases, allergies, weak immune systems, moles, poor eyesight etc.

Humans after the industrial revolution, when they started to have more and more of the above 2 types of resources, realized that they needed more of the 3rd type of resource, so people with ''poor genetics'' to put it more simply, started to be more rejected by their possible partners, and started to be unable to breed

In the past, you could ''get away'' with weak genetic resources because the man was the one who had to and tried to have the material and human resources, so our species went around in circles from this point of view, without evolving to its maximum potential, so the subhuman genetics with diseases continued to propagate

So we come to the present, and even to the idea for which this forum was created, and the general feeling that society has now, which is that if my genetics are trash, there's no point in carrying them on unless it's with someone with much better genetics who can weaken their impact (even there it will be a Russian roulette, see the case of Lima and the first husband)

Even more so, if my genetics are trash, there's no point in carrying them on with someone with genetics the same or trashier than mine

The problem is that 90-95% of the population is ugly as shit, so who else should I breed with in this case? (the answer is simple, either I find that partner in 5-10%, or I don't)

This process, as I said, took off especially 100-150 years ago, and the impact was massive. According to ChatGPT, just related to height, that's what he had to tell me, and today you can walk through a college campus, and you'll see people full of these heights (now imagine if we started this process 300-500 years ago, what would people look like now):

I will also talk about these things in my upcoming BOTB megathread, which I will post soon..

The point is that until recent history, humanity was extremely ugly, full of genetic diseases, short in height, and extremely exposed to disease. People like the ones below with their genetics and proportions were unicorns, almost impossible to find, but for us today they are a reality

That's why average people today can't find a relationship, give up on this idea entirely, they don't want a relationship anymore, they are cheated on more than ever, the number of divorces has exploded because a girl is more unlikely to stay with you long term if you are average or below

It is part of the evolution of the species, namely that children who will be born in the future, will no longer be born into subhuman bodies full of diseases, and suffer from this point of view, as our ancestors suffered from a lack of material and human resources

Children of the future want to be tall, athletic, healthy, who already have the material and human resources of today, and thus have a level of life satisfaction that has never seen before in the history of human civilization

@HostSamurai @Kroker you guys might like this thread if you haven't read it yet and my answer

@superpsycho you might also like my answer

 

[shia.jihadist]

dont agree but first non retarded shitpost on offtopic in a while

 

[REGULUS]

0 Replies, 1 viewer and already on the third page, just jfl.

mogs me

 

[Tabula Rasa]

Your thoughts and plans are normal to have because it's a very common and widespread feeling in society these days, because it's, in fact, a part of the evolution of our species

Throughout the history of our species, everything that has been created or done has had only one purpose, and that is to directly or indirectly, actively or passively increase the level of safety and comfort for women

If the woman gets safety and comfort, she can have children in optimal conditions, so she's happy, so the man gets more pussy as a reward, so the man is even more willing to try/fight to provide even more safety and comfort (he will come out of the cave, make friends with the same desires, go conquer territories, start wars, steal resources, kill enemies who want to kill him and rape his wife, etc. or today, threaten you with 25% taxes between continents, or threaten you with atomic bombs)

That's why we're now on a bed with a roof over our heads, not in a cave anymore, because there have been some men at some point who have been criticized for not doing enough, and they need to do more and do better, because otherwise they don't get pussy

There are 3 types of resources, genetic, material and human resources. All 3 are essential to have to ensure a woman's safety and comfort

Human resources are the services, information and help that other people are willing to give you. With human resources you build a nicer house, a better car, food delivered to your doorstep, etc.

Material resources are things that human resources can do things with for you. To have them, you either buy them or you own them

The 2 above today we have them at the highest level in the entire history of human civilization. Average guy lives a more satisfying life than the most powerful king 150-200 years ago

But what we don't have, and what we have started to work more towards in the last 100 years, are genetic resources. If you go outside now, you probably see that 90-95% of the population is ugly as shit, bombs of genetic diseases, allergies, weak immune systems, moles, poor eyesight etc.

Humans after the industrial revolution, when they started to have more and more of the above 2 types of resources, realized that they needed more of the 3rd type of resource, so people with ''poor genetics'' to put it more simply, started to be more rejected by their possible partners, and started to be unable to breed

In the past, you could ''get away'' with weak genetic resources because the man was the one who had to and tried to have the material and human resources, so our species went around in circles from this point of view, without evolving to its maximum potential, so the subhuman genetics with diseases continued to propagate

So we come to the present, and even to the idea for which this forum was created, and the general feeling that society has now, which is that if my genetics are trash, there's no point in carrying them on unless it's with someone with much better genetics who can weaken their impact (even there it will be a Russian roulette, see the case of Lima and the first husband)

Even more so, if my genetics are trash, there's no point in carrying them on with someone with genetics the same or trashier than mine

The problem is that 90-95% of the population is ugly as shit, so who else should I breed with in this case? (the answer is simple, either I find that partner in 5-10%, or I don't)

This process, as I said, took off especially 100-150 years ago, and the impact was massive. According to ChatGPT, just related to height, that's what he had to tell me, and today you can walk through a college campus, and you'll see people full of these heights (now imagine if we started this process 300-500 years ago, what would people look like now):

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I will also talk about these things in my upcoming BOTB megathread, which I will post soon..

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The point is that until recent history, humanity was extremely ugly, full of genetic diseases, short in height, and extremely exposed to disease. People like the ones below with their genetics and proportions were unicorns, almost impossible to find, but for us today they are a reality

That's why average people today can't find a relationship, give up on this idea entirely, they don't want a relationship anymore, they are cheated on more than ever, the number of divorces has exploded because a girl is more unlikely to stay with you long term if you are average or below

View attachment 3527972

It is part of the evolution of the species, namely that children who will be born in the future, will no longer be born into subhuman bodies full of diseases, and suffer from this point of view, as our ancestors suffered from a lack of material and human resources

Children of the future want to be tall, athletic, healthy, who already have the material and human resources of today, and thus have a level of life satisfaction that has never seen before in the history of human civilization

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@HostSamurai @Kroker you guys might like this thread if you haven't read it yet and my answer

@superpsycho you might also like my answer

It's a philosophical position an individual takes which is independent of one's genetic quality or material circumstances—human existence is a cruel and absurd quandary.

 

[HostSamurai]

I was about to DNR this thread but I stayed around and enjoyed it. Really good stuff. But just a question and I mean no criticism with regards to your writings, is this essentially not the MGTOW movement? Unless I read this uncomprehensively. I do agree romantic love is extremely rare these days, but I also don't think random slays with escorts is worth it either and just a dead end, especially for someone like myself who isn't necessarily looking for casual sex either and will just feel more depressed if I go the escort route, especially since most women don't interest me much either in personality or looks.

 

[HostSamurai]

Your thoughts and plans are normal to have because it's a very common and widespread feeling in society these days, because it's, in fact, a part of the evolution of our species

Throughout the history of our species, everything that has been created or done has had only one purpose, and that is to directly or indirectly, actively or passively increase the level of safety and comfort for women

If the woman gets safety and comfort, she can have children in optimal conditions, so she's happy, so the man gets more pussy as a reward, so the man is even more willing to try/fight to provide even more safety and comfort (he will come out of the cave, make friends with the same desires, go conquer territories, start wars, steal resources, kill enemies who want to kill him and rape his wife, etc. or today, threaten you with 25% taxes between continents, or threaten you with atomic bombs)

That's why we're now on a bed with a roof over our heads, not in a cave anymore, because there have been some men at some point who have been criticized for not doing enough, and they need to do more and do better, because otherwise they don't get pussy

There are 3 types of resources, genetic, material and human resources. All 3 are essential to have to ensure a woman's safety and comfort

Human resources are the services, information and help that other people are willing to give you. With human resources you build a nicer house, a better car, food delivered to your doorstep, etc.

Material resources are things that human resources can do things with for you. To have them, you either buy them or you own them

The 2 above today we have them at the highest level in the entire history of human civilization. Average guy lives a more satisfying life than the most powerful king 150-200 years ago

But what we don't have, and what we have started to work more towards in the last 100 years, are genetic resources. If you go outside now, you probably see that 90-95% of the population is ugly as shit, bombs of genetic diseases, allergies, weak immune systems, moles, poor eyesight etc.

Humans after the industrial revolution, when they started to have more and more of the above 2 types of resources, realized that they needed more of the 3rd type of resource, so people with ''poor genetics'' to put it more simply, started to be more rejected by their possible partners, and started to be unable to breed

In the past, you could ''get away'' with weak genetic resources because the man was the one who had to and tried to have the material and human resources, so our species went around in circles from this point of view, without evolving to its maximum potential, so the subhuman genetics with diseases continued to propagate

So we come to the present, and even to the idea for which this forum was created, and the general feeling that society has now, which is that if my genetics are trash, there's no point in carrying them on unless it's with someone with much better genetics who can weaken their impact (even there it will be a Russian roulette, see the case of Lima and the first husband)

Even more so, if my genetics are trash, there's no point in carrying them on with someone with genetics the same or trashier than mine

The problem is that 90-95% of the population is ugly as shit, so who else should I breed with in this case? (the answer is simple, either I find that partner in 5-10%, or I don't)

This process, as I said, took off especially 100-150 years ago, and the impact was massive. According to ChatGPT, just related to height, that's what he had to tell me, and today you can walk through a college campus, and you'll see people full of these heights (now imagine if we started this process 300-500 years ago, what would people look like now):

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I will also talk about these things in my upcoming BOTB megathread, which I will post soon..

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The point is that until recent history, humanity was extremely ugly, full of genetic diseases, short in height, and extremely exposed to disease. People like the ones below with their genetics and proportions were unicorns, almost impossible to find, but for us today they are a reality

That's why average people today can't find a relationship, give up on this idea entirely, they don't want a relationship anymore, they are cheated on more than ever, the number of divorces has exploded because a girl is more unlikely to stay with you long term if you are average or below

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It is part of the evolution of the species, namely that children who will be born in the future, will no longer be born into subhuman bodies full of diseases, and suffer from this point of view, as our ancestors suffered from a lack of material and human resources

Children of the future want to be tall, athletic, healthy, who already have the material and human resources of today, and thus have a level of life satisfaction that has never seen before in the history of human civilization

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@HostSamurai @Kroker you guys might like this thread if you haven't read it yet and my answer

@superpsycho you might also like my answer

Yeah I agree with what you wrote, especially going forward into the future.

 

[HostSamurai]

I was about to DNR this thread but I stayed around and enjoyed it. Really good stuff. But just a question and I mean no criticism with regards to your writings, is this essentially not the MGTOW movement? Unless I read this uncomprehensively. I do agree romantic love is extremely rare these days, but I also don't think random slays with escorts is worth it either and just a dead end, especially for someone like myself who isn't necessarily looking for casual sex either and will just feel more depressed if I go the escort route, especially since most women don't interest me much either in personality or looks.

I personally don't mind just not giving a fuck about women. But I still am interested in Looksmaxxing. And I get I can do it for myself and my own self confidence and also general respect from others. But there is that lingering question in my head: who was I doing it for really?

 

[Kroker]

Your thoughts and plans are normal to have because it's a very common and widespread feeling in society these days, because it's, in fact, a part of the evolution of our species

Throughout the history of our species, everything that has been created or done has had only one purpose, and that is to directly or indirectly, actively or passively increase the level of safety and comfort for women

If the woman gets safety and comfort, she can have children in optimal conditions, so she's happy, so the man gets more pussy as a reward, so the man is even more willing to try/fight to provide even more safety and comfort (he will come out of the cave, make friends with the same desires, go conquer territories, start wars, steal resources, kill enemies who want to kill him and rape his wife, etc. or today, threaten you with 25% taxes between continents, or threaten you with atomic bombs)

That's why we're now on a bed with a roof over our heads, not in a cave anymore, because there have been some men at some point who have been criticized for not doing enough, and they need to do more and do better, because otherwise they don't get pussy

There are 3 types of resources, genetic, material and human resources. All 3 are essential to have to ensure a woman's safety and comfort

Human resources are the services, information and help that other people are willing to give you. With human resources you build a nicer house, a better car, food delivered to your doorstep, etc.

Material resources are things that human resources can do things with for you. To have them, you either buy them or you own them

The 2 above today we have them at the highest level in the entire history of human civilization. Average guy lives a more satisfying life than the most powerful king 150-200 years ago

But what we don't have, and what we have started to work more towards in the last 100 years, are genetic resources. If you go outside now, you probably see that 90-95% of the population is ugly as shit, bombs of genetic diseases, allergies, weak immune systems, moles, poor eyesight etc.

Humans after the industrial revolution, when they started to have more and more of the above 2 types of resources, realized that they needed more of the 3rd type of resource, so people with ''poor genetics'' to put it more simply, started to be more rejected by their possible partners, and started to be unable to breed

In the past, you could ''get away'' with weak genetic resources because the man was the one who had to and tried to have the material and human resources, so our species went around in circles from this point of view, without evolving to its maximum potential, so the subhuman genetics with diseases continued to propagate

So we come to the present, and even to the idea for which this forum was created, and the general feeling that society has now, which is that if my genetics are trash, there's no point in carrying them on unless it's with someone with much better genetics who can weaken their impact (even there it will be a Russian roulette, see the case of Lima and the first husband)

Even more so, if my genetics are trash, there's no point in carrying them on with someone with genetics the same or trashier than mine

The problem is that 90-95% of the population is ugly as shit, so who else should I breed with in this case? (the answer is simple, either I find that partner in 5-10%, or I don't)

This process, as I said, took off especially 100-150 years ago, and the impact was massive. According to ChatGPT, just related to height, that's what he had to tell me, and today you can walk through a college campus, and you'll see people full of these heights (now imagine if we started this process 300-500 years ago, what would people look like now):

View attachment 3527959
View attachment 3527960

I will also talk about these things in my upcoming BOTB megathread, which I will post soon..

View attachment 3527961

The point is that until recent history, humanity was extremely ugly, full of genetic diseases, short in height, and extremely exposed to disease. People like the ones below with their genetics and proportions were unicorns, almost impossible to find, but for us today they are a reality

That's why average people today can't find a relationship, give up on this idea entirely, they don't want a relationship anymore, they are cheated on more than ever, the number of divorces has exploded because a girl is more unlikely to stay with you long term if you are average or below

View attachment 3527972

It is part of the evolution of the species, namely that children who will be born in the future, will no longer be born into subhuman bodies full of diseases, and suffer from this point of view, as our ancestors suffered from a lack of material and human resources

Children of the future want to be tall, athletic, healthy, who already have the material and human resources of today, and thus have a level of life satisfaction that has never seen before in the history of human civilization

View attachment 3527979
@HostSamurai @Kroker you guys might like this thread if you haven't read it yet and my answer

@superpsycho you might also like my answer

Users like you and Tabula keep this forum interesting. Tag me in your upcoming thread/s.

But I need to know why did my bhai think otherwise? @shia.jihadist

@Whatever need to read your thoughts on this topic

 

[Kroker]

yep. especially if you have below average genes, like most people on this forum including me.

u have to admit, women are pretty high iq for using our desire for them against us. but you are right, the only way to escape the blackpill is not finding new ways to cope; it is merely freeing yourself from what you seek.

This my friend is called the Whitepill, you can talk to people alike on Elysianfields, Tabula's forum.

 

[HostSamurai]

I hate to say it but this is probably why as a kid I coped with hentai and anime women, because I knew the blackpill was true in reality all along. 3DPD (3d is pig disgusting was my motto).

 

[shia.jihadist]

Users like you and Tabula keep this forum interesting. Tag me in your upcoming thread/s.

But I need to know why did my bhai think otherwise? @shia.jihadist

@Whatever need to read your thoughts on this topic

The Prophet ﷺ said: “Seek in wanting and having a child, for it is the source of comfort and the happiness of the heart."

 

[HostSamurai]

The Prophet ﷺ said: “Seek in wanting and having a child, for it is the source of comfort and the happiness of the heart."

Muslim women these days are giga whores, though.

 

[Tabula Rasa]

I was about to DNR this thread but I stayed around and enjoyed it. Really good stuff. But just a question and I mean no criticism with regards to your writings, is this essentially not the MGTOW movement? Unless I read this uncomprehensively. I do agree romantic love is extremely rare these days, but I also don't think random slays with escorts is worth it either and just a dead end, especially for someone like myself who isn't necessarily looking for casual sex either and will just feel more depressed if I go the escort route, especially since most women don't interest me much either in personality or looks.

Whitepill thread

 

[johnypvpgod]

I hate to say it but this is probably why as a kid I coped with hentai and anime women, because I knew the blackpill was true in reality all along. 3DPD (3d is pig disgusting was my motto).

Sending boundless JFL through the cosmic expanse of the internet to my fellow anime women(or men) appreciating friend.

 

[HostSamurai]

Sending boundless JFL through the cosmic expanse of the internet to my fellow anime women(or men) appreciating friend.

Lol I am an OG waifu appreciator since '08-'09 lol.

 

[johnypvpgod]

Good thread. I discovered Anti natalism online and I didn't adopt it more so than it resonated with my inner feelings, I was a christian and in the church many people have 3-6 children, which by observing the different tenets and beliefs in christianity I found absurd. and concluded that these people must be terribly stupid, they live controlled by hormones like animals. I made these bp conclusions before even getting into the bp in august last year.

Im more so a conditional anti natalist than a full AN, It would be unbearable to live being a full AN while associating with normies everyday. It's a high iq position but there are some counter positions I can understand. In nietzche's framework he argues that rather than abandoning the struggle we should strive to become strong enough to nullify it, not endure but make it a non-issue, there was a photo of this man with giantism and a nurse treating a scratch. for his huge hands it was a scratch but for anyone else it would be a gashing wound. Thats the sort of image nietzschean values give me.

There is also the point to make that Chad doesn't have to wrestle with life to get benefits from it, he just exists and it clicks into place making AN for him pointless, some exceptions like Alexander stepanov are just sad because it shows that even someone we would never approach in genetic greatness still gets beaten down by life and is at the mercy of luck.

Personally my current life is privileged enough that i dont have to work. i get to have fun everyday, until the time will come when ill have to wage slave which puts me in a position where breeding would be a huge struggle and effort that won't be worth it, not to mention it would be with a ltb-mtb because even though im edging htn im 5'7. That would just be utterly meaningless to pass on as a trait.

There is a ton of stuff i could talk about on AN like religion nihilism meaning etc

 

[HeLivesAgain]

this site needs more philosophical high iq discussion

 

[superpsycho]

Glad to know you agree. People like you and I, we are a minority. Everyone else copes with “muh legacy” “muh bloodline” but your post earlier disproves all that.

muhh legacy muhh bloodline brah!

when u realize ur genetics are too subhuman to pass onto the next generation anyway

 

[ManletBlackcel]

Your thoughts and plans are normal to have because it's a very common and widespread feeling in society these days, because it's, in fact, a part of the evolution of our species

Throughout the history of our species, everything that has been created or done has had only one purpose, and that is to directly or indirectly, actively or passively increase the level of safety and comfort for women

If the woman gets safety and comfort, she can have children in optimal conditions, so she's happy, so the man gets more pussy as a reward, so the man is even more willing to try/fight to provide even more safety and comfort (he will come out of the cave, make friends with the same desires, go conquer territories, start wars, steal resources, kill enemies who want to kill him and rape his wife, etc. or today, threaten you with 25% taxes between continents, or threaten you with atomic bombs)

That's why we're now on a bed with a roof over our heads, not in a cave anymore, because there have been some men at some point who have been criticized for not doing enough, and they need to do more and do better, because otherwise they don't get pussy

There are 3 types of resources, genetic, material and human resources. All 3 are essential to have to ensure a woman's safety and comfort

Human resources are the services, information and help that other people are willing to give you. With human resources you build a nicer house, a better car, food delivered to your doorstep, etc.

Material resources are things that human resources can do things with for you. To have them, you either buy them or you own them

The 2 above today we have them at the highest level in the entire history of human civilization. Average guy lives a more satisfying life than the most powerful king 150-200 years ago

But what we don't have, and what we have started to work more towards in the last 100 years, are genetic resources. If you go outside now, you probably see that 90-95% of the population is ugly as shit, bombs of genetic diseases, allergies, weak immune systems, moles, poor eyesight etc.

Humans after the industrial revolution, when they started to have more and more of the above 2 types of resources, realized that they needed more of the 3rd type of resource, so people with ''poor genetics'' to put it more simply, started to be more rejected by their possible partners, and started to be unable to breed

In the past, you could ''get away'' with weak genetic resources because the man was the one who had to and tried to have the material and human resources, so our species went around in circles from this point of view, without evolving to its maximum potential, so the subhuman genetics with diseases continued to propagate

So we come to the present, and even to the idea for which this forum was created, and the general feeling that society has now, which is that if my genetics are trash, there's no point in carrying them on unless it's with someone with much better genetics who can weaken their impact (even there it will be a Russian roulette, see the case of Lima and the first husband)

Even more so, if my genetics are trash, there's no point in carrying them on with someone with genetics the same or trashier than mine

The problem is that 90-95% of the population is ugly as shit, so who else should I breed with in this case? (the answer is simple, either I find that partner in 5-10%, or I don't)

This process, as I said, took off especially 100-150 years ago, and the impact was massive. According to ChatGPT, just related to height, that's what he had to tell me, and today you can walk through a college campus, and you'll see people full of these heights (now imagine if we started this process 300-500 years ago, what would people look like now):

View attachment 3527959
View attachment 3527960

I will also talk about these things in my upcoming BOTB megathread, which I will post soon..

View attachment 3527961

The point is that until recent history, humanity was extremely ugly, full of genetic diseases, short in height, and extremely exposed to disease. People like the ones below with their genetics and proportions were unicorns, almost impossible to find, but for us today they are a reality

That's why average people today can't find a relationship, give up on this idea entirely, they don't want a relationship anymore, they are cheated on more than ever, the number of divorces has exploded because a girl is more unlikely to stay with you long term if you are average or below

View attachment 3527972

It is part of the evolution of the species, namely that children who will be born in the future, will no longer be born into subhuman bodies full of diseases, and suffer from this point of view, as our ancestors suffered from a lack of material and human resources

Children of the future want to be tall, athletic, healthy, who already have the material and human resources of today, and thus have a level of life satisfaction that has never seen before in the history of human civilization

View attachment 3527979
@HostSamurai @Kroker you guys might like this thread if you haven't read it yet and my answer

@superpsycho you might also like my answer

Legit top tier dissertation quality literature. Deserves a thread of its own.

 

[buddhistking]

Easiest argument against an anti-natalist: why don't I just kill you

Please do it im begging

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

didnt read more than like 2 sentences
i am just a biological machine and my biological desires are my desires because thats all i am

 

[HostSamurai]

didnt read more than like 2 sentences
i am just a biological machine and my biological desires are my desires because thats all i am