On Anti-natalism, Biological Dependencies, Celibacy.

[Tabula Rasa]

While I'm not an ardent Anti-natalist, it's a position that I have moved strongly towards in recent years. The notion of an individual desiring not to have children does have some merit, and it's an idea that some of you may resonate with depending on your own experiences.

The sexual impulse is a product of the biological urge to reproduce that occurs among living species on this planet. Reproduction is essentially a form of biological life extension, it's a prerogative for a species in order to survive, the function of an organism is essentially as a vessel carrying genetic information to be disseminated. However, as a being capable of introspection and thought, I choose not to equate myself with my biological functions. As an individual, I'm independent of the impulses which drive me as a biological organism to reproduce.

Our culture emphasizes fertility. However, having children better serves the interests of others rather than our own. Businessmen and politicians want another wageslave to squeeze labor and capital out of from cradle to coffin. Different groups want us to be fertile in order to propagate whatever ethnicity/culture/religion which we were assigned to at birth. These forces prey upon our biological dependencies and vulnerabilities to give in eventually, betabux a roastie wife and end up spitting out a few kids.

The reason humans are motivated to undertake any sexual activity at all is in order to satisfy their biological need to reproduce. And a sizable portion each generation do end up reproducing, however I myself have no interest in taking part of this cycle. I would prefer my life to cease upon my death, and my presence on this earth to be erased, rather than extending it through some offspring I have. I've no intention of continuing to participate in humanity long after my death. Some points I've heard against this is that it's a form of biological immortality, muh bloodline, etc. I find this premise nonsensical, because by reproducing, you are creating another sovereign individual who is apart and independent from yourself. While I share biological information with the previous generations before me, my ancestors are not 'living through me', the unremarkable and hapless incel that I am.

Natalists end up foistering their expectations on the descendants that they have, (which again is akin to the various groups and interests that I have mentioned previously, they imprint their qualities and values onto their offspring), but as individuals, they only have one life. Trying to extend your life outside of that is a futile effort.

Moving on from this point, I am by no means suggesting for celibates to sublimate their biological urges, one should address them through self-pleasure, or even escorts, if they so have to.

One of the gripes that I have with some of the individuals in these spheres, is the underlying and covert female worship that is implicit in the culture. The Blackpill is gnosis, but if femoids are on your mind all the time, is that not also a form of pedestalizing them as well? If one is aware of how terrible and deceptive female nature is, would not the logical response be to stop desiring them and pay them no mind? Blackpillers free from Bluepill delusions are (rightfully) enraged at females and the chaos and destruction they have wreaked in our societies, yet there is still a lingering attachment to them, and that brings me again to the biological dependencies which I have talked about. Blackpillers tend to call out individuals who have been turned off and are not interested in women as 'copers', while claiming sex and romantic relationships are essential to life. But by claiming this, is this not a form of idealizing women? If one is aware of the facts of the Blackpill, it should follow then that there's no reason to desire them at all.

In incel culture, escorting is generally not seen as counting towards ascending from incel status—one would need to enter a relationship in order to do so.

But romantic love has become increasingly rare and sparing especially in the past few decades, even among normies—more often than not they end up getting divorce cucked or landing in a dead bedroom. Knowing female nature, I would not want myself shackled to some roastie whore wife for the rest of my life, I'd much rather prefer my autonomy as an incel than being consigned to that fate.

So what explains this 'lingering attachment', this erroneous notion that femoids will somehow make you fulfilled in life? I'd propose that the biological urge to reproduce, always omnipresent, is made manifest in the suffering and despair that many incels experience upon realization they will never find a woman or reproduce, but above all this neuroticism is the logical conclusion that one arrives at—that women are not worth your time and sufferings. By remaining dependent on females, you will continue to be a slave to them.

The use of the word cope signifies that something is used as a substitute in place of an object of desire which is unattainable, but if that object is no longer present or longed for, then it is no longer a cope. By becoming aware of and realizing their desire for sex and female relationships is only a product of their biological dependencies and urges to reproduce, and detaching them from their own individual identity, then can Blackpillers truly be free.

 

[Tabula Rasa]

0 Replies, 1 viewer and already on the third page, just jfl.

 

[albanianblackguy]

If one is aware of how terrible and deceptive female nature is, would not the logical response be to stop desiring them and pay them no mind?

can u be aware and not let them spike ur stress hormones but still desire them in a way, i dont see myself detaching myself from females, i will surely not marry or have kids but i think the desire is too strong, i am not an incel but the desire becomes bigger with every slay tbh

 

[Tabula Rasa]

can u be aware and not let them spike ur stress hormones but still desire them in a way, i dont see myself detaching myself from females, i will surely not marry or have kids but i think the desire is too strong, i am not an incel but the desire becomes bigger with every slay tbh

It's about recognizing that those desires are not yours or belong to you in anyway, they are your biological urges which are influencing you.

 

[albanianblackguy]

It's about recognizing that those desire are not yours or belong to you in anyway, they are your biological urges which are influencing you.

i recognize them as biological urges, controlling them on the other hand

 

[Tabula Rasa]

Thread worth a pin? @Numb The Pain

 

[Alias!]

Natalist love saying my bloodline like they can even name half of their ancestors.

 

[Numb The Pain]

Natalist love saying my bloodline like they can even name half of their ancestors.

Or their likes, dislikes. Their happy stories. Their sad stories. It’s all meaningless, legacies are giga cope. Everyone will turn to bones.

 

[Alias!]

Or their likes, dislikes. Their happy stories. Their sad stories. It’s all meaningless, legacies are giga cope. Everyone will turn to bones.

Yea it just gives them a sense of community and purpose till it is over. I agree it is all meaningless

 

[Numb The Pain]

Yea it just gives them a sense of community and purpose till it is over. I agree it is all meaningless

Glad to know you agree. People like you and I, we are a minority. Everyone else copes with “muh legacy” “muh bloodline” but your post earlier disproves all that.

 

[Alias!]

cool too see other like minded people that share the same beliefs. But yeah most people can’t accept loneliness’s so cope with “muh legacy” “muh bloodline”

 

[Tabula Rasa]

Glad to know you agree. People like you and I, we are a minority. Everyone else copes with “muh legacy” “muh bloodline” but your post earlier disproves all that.

Thread worth pinning?

 

[Numb The Pain]

Thread worth pinning?

I would like to pin it. Sure.

 

[Tabula Rasa]

I would like to pin it. Sure.

Thanks. We should start pinning high effort threads to Offtopic more. They hardly ever get read or find traction.

Its not even worth it to make high effort threads to be honest.

You can spend four hours revising, researching, typing, and citing a thread, and it will get three replies, yet a thread about Indians getting with white girls gets 500 views and 70 replies. What’s the point in making good threads anymore? Org has devolved into the same low-effort slop that’s...

looksmax.org

 

[lifeless]

This is too much for my incel brain to comprehend

 

[whitebitchslayer]

I’m antinatalist but only if the couple is interracial

 

[Kroker]

Not to mention the gigantic responsibility that you have to cater for your offspring up until their adulthood, 18/20 years of slavery and free service to your own. No thank you.

That we are talking about male offspring, now imagine a female

 

[buddhistking]

Different groups want us to be fertile in order to propagate whatever ethnicity/culture/religion which we were assigned to at birth.

I have actually heard from other black ppl that blacks having 10 kids each in Africa is actually a good thing and that I need to have kids too so we can be high enough in population to conquer the white man one day

I'm not bringing kids into this world to fight your dumbass race war jfl

 

[superpsycho]

high iq, first long thread i haven’t dnrd after the first sentence in a while

i wouldnt say im a total antinatalist. i dont think people of my genetic inferiority should be able to reproduce though. i dont plan on passing down my dirty racemixxed genes to the next generation because i just dont think it would be right; not in a moral way because i dont give a fuck about any of that moralcuck shit, but because it would be ropefuel for myself seeing a mini-me running around who doesnt realize the brutal abused dog incel life that is awaiting him all because his genetically inferior father decided to reproduce. i guess u could say im in favor of eugenics, but i think using eugenics to create more attractive people is a losing game since the idea of whats attractive and whats not attractive would shift due to average looks getting better, hence making good looking guys in today’s world being just average men in that one. one thing i can say for certain though is things like racemixxing should be banned all across the world. that is the lowest thing you can do to your child if you decide to have one, he will, more times than not, lack all cultural identity whatsoever, and end up being unattractive. im a victim of white and asian racemixxing myself. it’s so fucking brutal. racemixxing is evil and should be forbidden worldwide, and i am EXTREMELY antinatalist when it comes to that.

also i like how u mentioned hiring escorts. no matter how much stigma that shit has, hiring escorts is based and u really cannot argue against it unless ur a cuck. betabuxxing for sex is the saddest, yet most common thing men do when it comes to relationships. most betabuxx relationships end up in a dead bedroom anyway. would you rather pay an escort for a one time pump&dump with no strings attached, or would u rather betabuxx and finance a ran through roastie wife’s lifestyle while raising chads kids for the next 15 years and getting divorced and half ur shit taken away? not only is escortmaxxing probably more enjoyable, but it is also a better financial decision. there is literally no reason to get married in this day and age, especially if you live in the west. absolutely and utterly pointless.

and you are extremely right about the blackpill putting women on a pedestal. the fact is, we have been raised in a very gynocentric society which puts a lot of a man’s value on his success wirh women. when you don’t have this growing up it will mentally fry you and eventually land you on forums like these. this is why i can’t blame blackpillers because at the end of the day, all we want is what everyone else (normies) had because this is what we were taught made us high value individuals. thats why it’s so hard to detach yourself from it, especially when sexual reproduction is a biological desire. but yea, realizing the blackpill revolves around your innate biological desires instead of your own desires is the first step to freeing yourself from the blackpill. you can always escape inceldom but this is the only escape from the blackpill.

i liked this thread good work

 

[goober55]

It may be true...but is it moral?
Pushing the pendulum towards incel hatred of women devotes mental energy, a form of worship which incapacitates the mind and spirit. At the same time it must be said that any person within this world is given the choice to be a contender or fodder. If your choice is to be fodder, then the whitepill of asceticism is ultimately correct. If your choice is to contend with fate and the wretched nature of the world, you must inevitably attach yourself to the outcome, as a result, ego leads to suffering. You can't say one option is better than the other, because in the end, there is no real calculus to evaluate them by. At least, not in the Godless west.

 

[Tabula Rasa]

high iq, first long thread i haven’t dnrd after the first sentence in a while

i wouldnt say im a total antinatalist. i dont think people of my genetic inferiority should be able to reproduce though. i dont plan on passing down my dirty racemixxed genes to the next generation because i just dont think it would be right; not in a moral way because i dont give a fuck about any of that moralcuck shit, but because it would be ropefuel for myself seeing a mini-me running around who doesnt realize the brutal abused dog incel life that is awaiting him all because his genetically inferior father decided to reproduce. i guess u could say im in favor of eugenics, but i think using eugenics to create more attractive people is a losing game since the idea of whats attractive and whats not attractive would shift due to average looks getting better, hence making good looking guys in today’s world being just average men in that one. one thing i can say for certain though is things like racemixxing should be banned all across the world. that is the lowest thing you can do to your child if you decide to have one, he will, more times than not, lack all cultural identity whatsoever, and end up being unattractive. im a victim of white and asian racemixxing myself. it’s so fucking brutal. racemixxing is evil and should be forbidden worldwide, and i am EXTREMELY antinatalist when it comes to that.

also i like how u mentioned hiring escorts. no matter how much stigma that shit has, hiring escorts is based and u really cannot argue against it unless ur a cuck. betabuxxing for sex is the saddest, yet most common thing men do when it comes to relationships. most betabuxx relationships end up in a dead bedroom anyway. would you rather pay an escort for a one time pump&dump with no strings attached, or would u rather betabuxx and finance a ran through roastie wife’s lifestyle while raising chads kids for the next 15 years and getting divorced and half ur shit taken away? not only is escortmaxxing probably more enjoyable, but it is also a better financial decision. there is literally no reason to get married in this day and age, especially if you live in the west. absolutely and utterly pointless.

and you are extremely right about the blackpill putting women on a pedestal. the fact is, we have been raised in a very gynocentric society which puts a lot of a man’s value on his success wirh women. when you don’t have this growing up it will mentally fry you and eventually land you on forums like these. this is why i can’t blame blackpillers because at the end of the day, all we want is what everyone else (normies) had because this is what we were taught made us high value individuals. thats why it’s so hard to detach yourself from it, especially when sexual reproduction is a biological desire. but yea, realizing the blackpill revolves around your innate biological desires instead of your own desires is the first step to freeing yourself from the blackpill. you can always escape inceldom but this is the only escape from the blackpill.

i liked this thread good work

Having children is just selfish and unethical, there is no need to perpetuate human suffering. You escape the Blackpill by becoming Whitepilled and freeing yourself from your cravings towards females.

 

[goober55]

Having children is just selfish and unethical, there is no need to perpetuate human suffering. You escape the Blackpill by becoming Whitepilled and freeing yourself from your cravings towards females.

except it'll still happen but by lower iq dumbfucks

 

[superpsycho]

Having children is just selfish and unethical, there is no need to perpetuate human suffering.

yep. especially if you have below average genes, like most people on this forum including me.

You escape the Blackpill by becoming Whitepilled and freeing yourself from your cravings towards females.

u have to admit, women are pretty high iq for using our desire for them against us. but you are right, the only way to escape the blackpill is not finding new ways to cope; it is merely freeing yourself from what you seek.

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

While I'm not an ardent Anti-natalist, it's a position that I have moved strongly towards in recent years. The notion of an individual desiring not to have children does have some merit, and it's an idea that some of you may resonate with depending on your own experiences.

The sexual impulse is a product of the biological urge to reproduce that occurs among living species on this planet. Reproduction is essentially a form of biological life extension, it's a prerogative for a species in order to survive, the function of an organism is essentially as a vessel carrying genetic information to be disseminated. However, as a being capable of introspection and thought, I choose not to equate myself with my biological functions. As an individual, I'm independent of the impulses which drive me as a biological organism to reproduce.

Our culture emphasizes fertility. However, having children better serves the interests of others rather than our own. Businessmen and politicians want another wageslave to squeeze labor and capital out of from cradle to coffin. Different groups want us to be fertile in order to propagate whatever ethnicity/culture/religion which we were assigned to at birth. These forces prey upon our biological dependencies and vulnerabilities to give in eventually, betabux a roastie wife and end up spitting out a few kids.

The reason humans are motivated to undertake any sexual activity at all is in order to satisfy their biological need to reproduce. And a sizable portion each generation do end up reproducing, however I myself have no interest in taking part of this cycle. I would prefer my life to cease upon my death, and my presence on this earth to be erased, rather than extending it through some offspring I have. I've no intention of continuing to participate in humanity long after my death. Some points I've heard against this is that it's a form of biological immortality, muh bloodline, etc. I find this premise nonsensical, because by reproducing, you are creating another sovereign individual who is apart and independent from yourself. While I share biological information with the previous generations before me, my ancestors are not 'living through me', the unremarkable and hapless incel that I am.

Natalists end up foistering their expectations on the descendants that they have, (which again is akin to the various groups and interests that I have mentioned previously, they imprint their qualities and values onto their offspring), but as individuals, they only have one life. Trying to extend your life outside of that is a futile effort.

Moving on from this point, I am by no means suggesting for celibates to sublimate their biological urges, one should address them through self-pleasure, or even escorts, if they so have to.

One of the gripes that I have with some of the individuals in these spheres, is the underlying and covert female worship that is implicit in the culture. The Blackpill is gnosis, but if femoids are on your mind all the time, is that not also a form of pedestalizing them as well? If one is aware of how terrible and deceptive female nature is, would not the logical response be to stop desiring them and pay them no mind? Blackpillers free from Bluepill delusions are (rightfully) enraged at females and the chaos and destruction they have wreaked in our societies, yet there is still a lingering attachment to them, and that brings me again to the biological dependencies which I have talked about. Blackpillers tend to call out individuals who have been turned off and are not interested in women as 'copers', while claiming sex and romantic relationships are essential to life. But by claiming this, is this not a form of idealizing women? If one is aware of the facts of the Blackpill, it should follow then that there's no reason to desire them at all.

In incel culture, escorting is generally not seen as counting towards ascending from incel status—one would need to enter a relationship in order to do so.

But romantic love has become increasingly rare and sparing especially in the past few decades, even among normies—more often than not they end up getting divorce cucked or landing in a dead bedroom. Knowing female nature, I would not want myself shackled to some roastie whore wife for the rest of my life, I'd much rather prefer my autonomy as an incel than being consigned to that fate.

So what explains this 'lingering attachment', this erroneous notion that femoids will somehow make you fulfilled in life? I'd propose that the biological urge to reproduce, always omnipresent, is made manifest in the suffering and despair that many incels experience upon realization they will never find a woman or reproduce, but above all this neuroticism is the logical conclusion that one arrives at—that women are not worth your time and sufferings. By remaining dependent on females, you will continue to be a slave to them.

The use of the word cope signifies that something is used as a substitute in place of an object of desire which is unattainable, but if that object is no longer present or longed for, then it is no longer a cope. By becoming aware of and realizing their desire for sex and female relationships is only a product of their biological dependencies and urges to reproduce, and detaching them from their own individual identity, then can Blackpillers truly be free.

 

[monecel]

Easiest argument against an anti-natalist: why don't I just kill you

 

[Yliaster]

Rehab Room tier thread

Interesting read btw glad the mods actually pinned it

 

[Yliaster]

@Tabula Rasa if you ever get a moment I strongly advise to please check out this video lol you will thank
me.It basically supplements everything you've highlighted in your post