On Anti-natalism, Biological Dependencies, Celibacy.

[Ultimate Subhuman™]

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[160cmcurry]

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[incel-at-heart]

The sexual impulse is a product of the biological urge to reproduce that occurs among living species on this planet. Reproduction is essentially a form of biological life extension, it's a prerogative for a species in order to survive, the function of an organism is essentially as a vessel carrying genetic information to be disseminated.

Correct.

However, as a being capable of introspection and thought, I choose not to equate myself with my biological functions. As an individual, I'm independent of the impulses which drive me as a biological organism to reproduce.

Somewhat of a cope, since you are not truly independent from your biological urges, even when you are conscious of them. Hormones still influence you (= your brain + your body) and alter your behavior, even when you're aware of them.

Our culture emphasizes fertility.

Does it really? If this were true, I'd expect a reproduction rate exceeding replacement level. Currently, all westcuck matriarchies are terminally below that.

However, having children better serves the interests of others rather than our own. Businessmen and politicians want another wageslave to squeeze labor and capital out of from cradle to coffin. Different groups want us to be fertile in order to propagate whatever ethnicity/culture/religion which we were assigned to at birth. These forces prey upon our biological dependencies and vulnerabilities to give in eventually, betabux a roastie wife and end up spitting out a few kids.

I think it is well within our own interests to propagate our own genetics. Capitalists and financial parasites want infinite low T indian wagecucks, not Chads who will cuck them and overthrow their system.

The reason humans are motivated to undertake any sexual activity at all is in order to satisfy their biological need to reproduce. And a sizable portion each generation do end up reproducing, however I myself have no interest in taking part of this cycle. I would prefer my life to cease upon my death, and my presence on this earth to be erased, rather than extending it through some offspring I have. I've no intention of continuing to participate in humanity long after my death. Some points I've heard against this is that it's a form of biological immortality, muh bloodline, etc. I find this premise nonsensical, because by reproducing, you are creating another sovereign individual who is apart and independent from yourself. While I share biological information with the previous generations before me, my ancestors are not 'living through me', the unremarkable and hapless incel that I am.

Half true, since humans only become capable individuals after their teenage years. So you're looking at roughly 20 years of dependency from your children to you. And once you realize how much of behavior is really genetic and based on habits picked up during childhood, you will also understand that in a way, your ancestors live through you and you are to a large extent your ancestors.

Natalists end up foistering their expectations on the descendants that they have, (which again is akin to the various groups and interests that I have mentioned previously, they imprint their qualities and values onto their offspring), but as individuals, they only have one life. Trying to extend your life outside of that is a futile effort.

For me personally it's not about trying to extend my own life, but giving an improved version of me the chance to experience the world around us - sometimes beautiful and magical, sometimes ugly and horrible.

Moving on from this point, I am by no means suggesting for celibates to sublimate their biological urges, one should address them through self-pleasure, or even escorts, if they so have to.

One of the gripes that I have with some of the individuals in these spheres, is the underlying and covert female worship that is implicit in the culture. The Blackpill is gnosis, but if femoids are on your mind all the time, is that not also a form of pedestalizing them as well? If one is aware of how terrible and deceptive female nature is, would not the logical response be to stop desiring them and pay them no mind? Blackpillers free from Bluepill delusions are (rightfully) enraged at females and the chaos and destruction they have wreaked in our societies, yet there is still a lingering attachment to them, and that brings me again to the biological dependencies which I have talked about. Blackpillers tend to call out individuals who have been turned off and are not interested in women as 'copers', while claiming sex and romantic relationships are essential to life. But by claiming this, is this not a form of idealizing women? If one is aware of the facts of the Blackpill, it should follow then that there's no reason to desire them at all.

In incel culture, escorting is generally not seen as counting towards ascending from incel status—one would need to enter a relationship in order to do so.

That's why you must not see women as more than sex objects. They are the means to generate more men, who are the only real humans.

But romantic love has become increasingly rare and sparing especially in the past few decades, even among normies—more often than not they end up getting divorce cucked or landing in a dead bedroom. Knowing female nature, I would not want myself shackled to some roastie whore wife for the rest of my life, I'd much rather prefer my autonomy as an incel than being consigned to that fate.

Romance is dead, always has been. True love is only for your children. Women and men form a temporary symbiosis to make offspring. Monogamy makes sense for stable communities where contraceptives don't exist and women are truly dependent on a provider.

Polygamy makes sense in anonymous societies where women just want a quick fuck from the best man available, and then proceed to leech from the giant piggy bank that is the state.

Women don't have morals, so we get what is incentivized.

So what explains this 'lingering attachment', this erroneous notion that femoids will somehow make you fulfilled in life? I'd propose that the biological urge to reproduce, always omnipresent, is made manifest in the suffering and despair that many incels experience upon realization they will never find a woman or reproduce, but above all this neuroticism is the logical conclusion that one arrives at—that women are not worth your time and sufferings. By remaining dependent on females, you will continue to be a slave to them.

Yes. Disregarding women also makes them more attracted you, ironically.

The use of the word cope signifies that something is used as a substitute in place of an object of desire which is unattainable, but if that object is no longer present or longed for, then it is no longer a cope. By becoming aware of and realizing their desire for sex and female relationships is only a product of their biological dependencies and urges to reproduce, and detaching them from their own individual identity, then can Blackpillers truly be free.

Viewing childless women as sex dolls makes you free. The only women worthy of respect are ones that have raised at least 3 children of good character.

 

[qazw]

Our culture emphasizes fertility. However, having children better serves the interests of others rather than our own. Businessmen and politicians want another wageslave to squeeze labor and capital out of from cradle to coffin. Different groups want us to be fertile in order to propagate whatever ethnicity/culture/religion which we were assigned to at birth. These forces prey upon our biological dependencies and vulnerabilities to give in eventually, betabux a roastie wife and end up spitting out a few kids.

Stopped reading here. If you don't have children, you aren't owning the businessmen and politicians because there's just going to import a bunch of jeet wageslaves and ruin your country. Look at what happened to Europe after their birth rate tanked. You have to have children or you will get replaced by jeets.

 

[johnypvpgod]

Stopped reading here. If you don't have children, you aren't owning the businessmen and politicians because there's just going to import a bunch of jeet wageslaves and ruin your country. Look at what happened to Europe after their birth rate tanked. You have to have children or you will get replaced by jeets.

Paradoxically even if i choose to have 5 white children and you tabula and half the forum did it would merely be a rounding error, in a world with 8b people your choices mean jack shit for society unless you are some Napoleon revolutionary (you arent)

This is about as meaningful and lucrative as running to win a marathon while missing a leg

Not even a nuisance for the Jews they will profit off your children's future labor either way

 

[Tabula Rasa]

Somewhat of a cope, since you are not truly independent from your biological urges, even when you are conscious of them. Hormones still influence you (= your brain + your body) and alter your behavior, even when you're aware of them.

One can make the conscious and deliberate action of choosing not to have children in spite of what their animal instincts are telling them. Some are more capable of this than others, however.

Does it really? If this were true, I'd expect a reproduction rate exceeding replacement level. Currently, all westcuck matriarchies are terminally below that.

Birth rates are tanking regardless of the natalist propaganda due to a number of social, economic and technological factors. Of course, there is counter-propaganda that exists which discourages family formation and having children but even in the West, couples still generally have 1-2 children, which despite being below the replacement rate are still reproducing nevertheless.

I think it is well within our own interests to propagate our own genetics. Capitalists and financial parasites want infinite low T indian wagecucks, not Chads who will cuck them and overthrow their system.

I'd disagree, I view having children as inherently selfish and unethical, and unfair to the child. In the long run, none of this really matters, humanity will become extinct eventually at some point and I can prevent the suffering of my future potential genetic line by not reproducing.

Half true, since humans only become capable individuals after their teenage years. So you're looking at roughly 20 years of dependency from your children to you. And once you realize how much of behavior is really genetic and based on habits picked up during childhood, you will also understand that in a way, your ancestors live through you and you are to a large extent your ancestors.

Those traits are only genetic vestiges, our ancestors have long passed.

For me personally it's not about trying to extend my own life, but giving an improved version of me the chance to experience the world around us - sometimes beautiful and magical, sometimes ugly and horrible.

Your offspring may share your genetics but them and you are entirely separate individuals. By what metrics will your offspring be 'improved' necessarily? Genetics is terribly complicated and who's not to say that your children might inherit some genetic disease or defect, or be an inferior version of yourself?

That's why you must not see women as more than sex objects. They are the means to generate more men, who are the only real humans.


Romance is dead, always has been. True love is only for your children. Women and men form a temporary symbiosis to make offspring. Monogamy makes sense for stable communities where contraceptives don't exist and women are truly dependent on a provider.

Polygamy makes sense in anonymous societies where women just want a quick fuck from the best man available, and then proceed to leech from the giant piggy bank that is the state.

Women don't have morals, so we get what is incentivized.


Yes. Disregarding women also makes them more attracted you, ironically.


Viewing childless women as sex dolls makes you free. The only women worthy of respect are ones that have raised at least 3 children of good character.

Agree with the rest.

 

[johnypvpgod]

For me personally it's not about trying to extend my own life, but giving an improved version of me the chance to experience the world around us - sometimes beautiful and magical, sometimes ugly and horrible.

Good point, the only worth of reproduction boils down to how strong you can prop your descendants to be.

Viewing childless women as sex dolls makes you free. The only women worthy of respect are ones that have raised at least 3 children of good character.

Bad take, majority of people with more than 3 children are low iq. And genetic trash, probably a subconscious adaptation to increase the likelihood their trash genes carry on jfl. Seriously, you don't see the morally adapted, intelligent and flexible people breeding, it's the reactionary and religious crowd.

Does it really? If this were true, I'd expect a reproduction rate exceeding replacement level. Currently, all westcuck matriarchies are terminally below that.

It's because the current western man doesn't carry enough worth to reproduce early enough to be loud about it. But those who do, tend to circlejerk parenthood among themselves to hell and oblivion

Nowadats people tend to reproduce eventually but its in their 30s like the redpill crowd advertises men to do and they dont have the energy to loudly boast about it then

 

[Kayne1]

you will never see a good looking person advocate for antinatalism

 

[johnypvpgod]

you will never see a good looking person advocate for antinatalism

It's not like subhuman dont reproduce either

 

[JohnDoe]

I can understand where anti-natalists come from but i don't think i could ever be one, for one i have spent a considerable amount of time with nieces/nephews so have experienced and understand first hand the joy of children and i also believe procreation is one of if not the main purpose of our life. You can think otherwise, that's okay and i'm not going to argue it but that's just my belief. I genuinely believe most anti natalists would have a change in mindset if they were to give it a chance and have just one child. It's a given that almost all anti natalists do not have a loving young woman as their mate who they would want to make love and have children with. These thoughts almost always arise with the unloved and undesired.

 

[JohnDoe]

you will never see a good looking person advocate for antinatalism

Lack of intimacy/woman is one of the reasons you may arrive at anti natalism. Although most incels from what i've seen want a loving woman and to have kids.

 

[manletmachinestream]

Lack of intimacy/woman is one of the reasons you may arrive at anti natalism. Although most incels from what i've seen want a loving woman and to have kids.

Is it true you’re 165cm mate?

 

[Depresso]

While I'm not an ardent Anti-natalist, it's a position that I have moved strongly towards in recent years. The notion of an individual desiring not to have children does have some merit, and it's an idea that some of you may resonate with depending on your own experiences.

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One of the gripes that I have with some of the individuals in these spheres, is the underlying and covert female worship that is implicit in the culture. The Blackpill is gnosis, but if femoids are on your mind all the time, is that not also a form of pedestalizing them as well? If one is aware of how terrible and deceptive female nature is, would not the logical response be to stop desiring them and pay them no mind? Blackpillers free from Bluepill delusions are (rightfully) enraged at females and the chaos and destruction they have wreaked in our societies, yet there is still a lingering attachment to them, and that brings me again to the biological dependencies which I have talked about. Blackpillers tend to call out individuals who have been turned off and are not interested in women as 'copers', while claiming sex and romantic relationships are essential to life. But by claiming this, is this not a form of idealizing women? If one is aware of the facts of the Blackpill, it should follow then that there's no reason to desire them at all.

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Society reproduces but it does not think about the future adults that it creates

Reproduction is a feel good meme in the same way McMansions are

I'm completely anti-natalist except in the cases where the parents have a plan for their offspring