One of the best sociological deconstructions of incels Ive ever seen

[Prøphet]

It’s genuinely rare to see someone attempt to explain the phenomenon in such good faith and honesty as this guy

 

[Whatever]

Yes, it’s rare to come across someone who fully understands this, that attitudes come from experience, not the other way around. Because we (maybe more in America) are conditioned from a young age to believe that it’s the other way around, “free will”, “you can do anything”, ignore circumstances. I saw through this at an early age and it’s like every time I’ve ever talked about it people either get uncomfortable or it goes over their heads. But it explains everything in the incel epidemic, the culture wars, everything.

 

[Foreverbrad]

That last bit is surprising that he has met incels that are having their views changed just by having a scrap of female attention. Perhaps that’s just his message to females. I don’t think it will help.

I’ve gone from truecel to slayer back to truecel and I’ve experienced a complete and holistic validation of looks theory at every level. Redpill game works too, to an extent. Foids deserve every misogynistic view we hold on them.

 

[Foreverbrad]

The only solutions to this problem are:

1. Complete reversal of the sexual revoution
2. A massive change in the gender ratio

I see scenario one as incredibly unlikely as it will go against the primary motives of the capitalists. However they can’t have complete societal breakdown either, so the second option seems more tenable. How could it be achieved?

1. War. This would have to be a meat grinder on an epic scale. Even the war in Ukraine has not improved the situation in Europe despite large numbers of refugee girls. I don’t know about in Russia, any Russiancels would be welcome to comment.

2. Trans girl and femboy being pushed to mainstream. Although there is currently a major problem in that they are choosing to remain straight (according to their biological gender) but overall it can only be a good thing. Replace two incels simping women with two femboys happy in relationship with each other and nobody loses, everyone wins.

3. Robot AI girlfriends. I don’t think it’s realistic for these to exist on a scale such that would make a significant systemic difference.

4. Something similar to China’s one-child policy where you can only have a son if you already had a daughter or even two daughters. This would not go down well and would be hard to enforce.


Perhaps with a combination of all of these factors there might be some hope for the future. But currently it’s very bleak. Looksmaxxing is not the answer, systemically it can’t be if it goes mainstream for reasons we all already know.

 

[Prøphet]

The only solutions to this problem are:

1. Complete reversal of the sexual revoution
2. A massive change in the gender ratio

I see scenario one as incredibly unlikely as it will go against the primary motives of the capitalists. However they can’t have complete societal breakdown either, so the second option seems more tenable. How could it be achieved?

1. War. This would have to be a meat grinder on an epic scale. Even the war in Ukraine has not improved the situation in Europe despite large numbers of refugee girls. I don’t know about in Russia, any Russiancels would be welcome to comment.

2. Trans girl and femboy being pushed to mainstream. Although there is currently a major problem in that they are choosing to remain straight (according to their biological gender) but overall it can only be a good thing. Replace two incels simping women with two femboys happy in relationship with each other and nobody loses, everyone wins.

3. Robot AI girlfriends. I don’t think it’s realistic for these to exist on a scale such that would make a significant systemic difference.

4. Something similar to China’s one-child policy where you can only have a son if you already had a daughter or even two daughters. This would not go down well and would be hard to enforce.


Perhaps with a combination of all of these factors there might be some hope for the future. But currently it’s very bleak. Looksmaxxing is not the answer, systemically it can’t be if it goes mainstream for reasons we all already know.

Yeah I agree his conclusion was the weakest part but still overall more critical thinking than 99% of normies will do. The mainstreaming of Looksmaxxing absolutely reinforces the same hierarchy it originally provided a solution to. Will be interesting to see how things work out in the future