Oofy Doofy vs Redpill Dark Triad: Why I think both are effective

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Browse Off Topic for 10 minutes and you will notice a civil war between oofy doofy/jestermaxxer theorists, hardliner PSL/BP, and redpll dark triad theorists and some a mix of all three. While I think all of these have a kernel of truth, in terms of behavioral characteristics I think both oofy doofy and the redpill stuff can work IF it is congruent with your personality and your overall aesthetics. I see some people like @TheLastLaugh claim that foids actually only get turned on by men that completely treat them shit. While I think this is true, in my opinion it turns them on IF the guy in question is congruent and naturally born like that.

On the other hand, there is also many arguments to be made for oofy doofy. I believe foids hold the capacity to harbor attraction for both personality types given she likes your looks in question. While it can be argued back and forth if the redpill dark triad guy is actually the guy that gets her wet, or the oofy doofy is just a placeholder cuck, there are elements of cope from both sides. The redpill dark triad types would argue that for instance treating a girl like shit (i.e. not responding, abuse, take your pick) is the only way for your foid to trauma bond with you and become attached, it is at the end of the day not a cuck proof method and if you are not on the dregs of society (low inhib, drug dealer, constantly high) it will inevitably fizzle out.

With the side of oofy doofy, it can't be understated the amount of guys you see in relationships who are ltn and look like absolute soy boys. You might say that this is because of beta bux, status, jbf, etc. (the redpill crowd here would even argue that the foid is with him BECAUSE he is dark triad).. ask yourself: do you really believe all of these guys have the financial capacity to treat these foids out? And if so, would he not have extra leverage over the foid given the state of the current economy? With the latter point, it is argued by oofy theorists like Travis Blackpill that foids want to be the alpha, and given a certain set of circumstances I absolutely believe this to be the case. Media here plays a big role no matter how much people will cope and deny it. Just look at Kpop and the increase of rice smv. Muh changs, muh rice will get cucked...sure all of these are possible but there is no denying how much they are at the spotlight in the current moment, and how drastically this effects their perception of asian men. People will argue that oh she is just using him as a doormat, a personal gay best friend...but this is what the media promotes does it not? Are all of these guys in sexless ltrs? Impossible, unless you are following them around with a camera 24/7 you will never know. Many of these guys are also persisntant nice guys type who pursue with volume or become friends with the foid through their circle first and make their intentions semi clear from the beginning without being too sexual. The key factor here with both the dark triad and the oofy doofy is that they are persistant and neurotypical. Both have the capacity to get cucked. Both regardless of looks level are replacable.

Now, lets assume that the oofy, or even the red pill Hamzacel in question is capable of being a betabux or has money. Now you might be thinking: muh betabux, muh no genuine desire, she only loves your wallet bro...These are all true. HOWEVER, it is in my opinion very shortsided and low iq. Think of the current economic conditions we are currently. Millions of foids jobs are at risk do to AI. Massive inflation everywhere. Many of these foids were exposed to easy money schemes on OnlyFans, Tiktok, what have you. The past decade has been a gravy train for foids in the sense they were able to have their cake and eat it too, in terms of having financial situation sorted through cushy jobs and being able to have a smorgasboard of whatever guy they desire. I can confidently say that this whole Chadpill and foids relying on dating apps is merely but a meme perpuated by the most lowliest of curries and the most TTcelest of users here. Compare the ratio of users of males to females on any dating apps, and what do you see? A significantly higher ratio of moids to foids, some as close to 7:1 males to females. Now, take a look at something like Seeking Arrangements. What do you see? Official sources say to 4:1. but many on reddit say the number has now reached 10:1 foid to moid ratio due to the lack of restrictions foids have when making an account.

Now, you might be rushing to your cum crusted keyboard to cope spam my OP.... but before you do, let me ask you. With the current state of the economy, do you really think a foid is going to let go of a guy who genuinely has a good cash flow and has retained a semblance of looks? Hell, foids stick around for even more subhuman men who dont have anything going for them (either running the oofy doofy or redpill game). At the end of the day, most foids would suck the most subhuman creature on the planet if it meant that they will have a steady access of money for Sephora, fake up, trips, dinners, etc. I have talked to many foids in my circles and they all lust after my friends dads or oldcels... this was unheard of even 2 years ago. One of them openly admitted to me she has a Seeking account and fucks men on there for money, and has the mindset of if she is going to have sex she might as well get paid for it. You have to understand, foids love the attention from getting pampered and spoiled. On top of the many daddy issues Gen Z has, this is going to be much much much higher trend in the future. Sex rates are down for Gen Z, they are the most neurotic generation ever...platforms that offer sugaring arrangments are a perfect congruence of foids that are too neurotic to get pumped and dumped on dating apps. This is partly inspired by @TheLastLaugh post https://looksmax.org/threads/proximity-and-monetized-dating-are-here-looks-are-irrelevant.1467205/ , where he talks about this very thing. I did a little digging, and the amount of foids in my area even from my high school on this platform is CRAZY. And after digging on the reddit for seeking, it seems like the foids that engage in these things are genuinely head over heels for these schlubby types. Is the attraction genuine? Maybe, maybe not. It can be any more or less genuine than the dozens of ltns and mtns a mtb has fucked over her roastie career. This observation is not necessarily for or against PSL, that is a separate topic. Many of the boomers on these sites have not only experienced prime jb while growing up, they absolutely mog the current generations in fucking their prime aged foids and the foids who have daddy issues staying more loyal to THEM than any redpill game some normie can run.
>b-but my htn ascension bro, chad bro
What was the last gen z relationshit you see last more than a year? How many subhumans do you see daily through oofy doofy or dark triad fuck becky roasties while you rot in your basement looking at gonial angles and planning surgeries which you will never do? In fact, how much money would Gen Z even have to be a beta bux EVEN if they wanted to? In my honest opinion, PSL being relevant has never been at its lowest point. NT or death, otherwise you will need to pay. Sorry boyo, your surgery ascension just won't cut it.

TLDR: All of these strategies are valid IF you are NT and it is congruent with your personality and your appearance. The question of betabux is irrelevant as it is its own separate metric and a moot point considering Gen Z's lack of resources and moneypills relevance being at an all time high.

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@6ft4 @Whatever @King Solomon
 
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Browse Off Topic for 10 minutes and you will notice a civil war between oofy doofy/jestermaxxer theorists, hardliner PSL/BP, and redpll dark triad theorists and some a mix of all three. While I think all of these have a kernel of truth, in terms of behavioral characteristics I think both oofy doofy and the redpill stuff can work IF it is congruent with your personality and your overall aesthetics. I see some people like @TheLastLaugh claim that foids actually only get turned on by men that completely treat them shit. While I think this is true, in my opinion it turns them on IF the guy in question is congruent and naturally born like that.

On the other hand, there is also many arguments to be made for oofy doofy. I believe foids hold the capacity to harbor attraction for both personality types given she likes your looks in question. While it can be argued back and forth if the redpill dark triad guy is actually the guy that gets her wet, or the oofy doofy is just a placeholder cuck, there are elements of cope from both sides. The redpill dark triad types would argue that for instance treating a girl like shit (i.e. not responding, abuse, take your pick) is the only way for your foid to trauma bond with you and become attached, it is at the end of the day not a cuck proof method and if you are not on the dregs of society (low inhib, drug dealer, constantly high) it will inevitably fizzle out.

With the side of oofy doofy, it can't be understated the amount of guys you see in relationships who are ltn and look like absolute soy boys. You might say that this is because of beta bux, status, jbf, etc. (the redpill crowd here would even argue that the foid is with him BECAUSE he is dark triad).. ask yourself: do you really believe all of these guys have the financial capacity to treat these foids out? And if so, would he not have extra leverage over the foid given the state of the current economy? With the latter point, it is argued by oofy theorists like Travis Blackpill that foids want to be the alpha, and given a certain set of circumstances I absolutely believe this to be the case. Media here plays a big role no matter how much people will cope and deny it. Just look at Kpop and the increase of rice smv. Muh changs, muh rice will get cucked...sure all of these are possible but there is no denying how much they are at the spotlight in the current moment, and how drastically this effects their perception of asian men. People will argue that oh she is just using him as a doormat, a personal gay best friend...but this is what the media promotes does it not? Are all of these guys in sexless ltrs? Impossible, unless you are following them around with a camera 24/7 you will never know. Many of these guys are also persisntant nice guys type who pursue with volume or become friends with the foid through their circle first and make their intentions semi clear from the beginning without being too sexual. The key factor here with both the dark triad and the oofy doofy is that they are persistant and neurotypical. Both have the capacity to get cucked. Both regardless of looks level are replacable.

Now, lets assume that the oofy, or even the red pill Hamzacel in question is capable of being a betabux or has money. Now you might be thinking: muh betabux, muh no genuine desire, she only loves your wallet bro...These are all true. HOWEVER, it is in my opinion very shortsided and low iq. Think of the current economic conditions we are currently. Millions of foids jobs are at risk do to AI. Massive inflation everywhere. Many of these foids were exposed to easy money schemes on OnlyFans, Tiktok, what have you. The past decade has been a gravy train for foids in the sense they were able to have their cake and eat it too, in terms of having financial situation sorted through cushy jobs and being able to have a smorgasboard of whatever guy they desire. I can confidently say that this whole Chadpill and foids relying on dating apps is merely but a meme perpuated by the most lowliest of curries and the most TTcelest of users here. Compare the ratio of users of males to females on any dating apps, and what do you see? A significantly higher ratio of moids to foids, some as close to 7:1 males to females. Now, take a look at something like Seeking Arrangements. What do you see? Official sources say to 4:1. but many on reddit say the number has now reached 10:1 foid to moid ratio due to the lack of restrictions foids have when making an account.

Now, you might be rushing to your cum crusted keyboard to cope spam my OP.... but before you do, let me ask you. With the current state of the economy, do you really think a foid is going to let go of a guy who genuinely has a good cash flow and has retained a semblance of looks? Hell, foids stick around for even more subhuman men who dont have anything going for them (either running the oofy doofy or redpill game). At the end of the day, most foids would suck the most subhuman creature on the planet if it meant that they will have a steady access of money for Sephora, fake up, trips, dinners, etc. I have talked to many foids in my circles and they all lust after my friends dads or oldcels... this was unheard of even 2 years ago. One of them openly admitted to me she has a Seeking account and fucks men on there for money, and has the mindset of if she is going to have sex she might as well get paid for it. You have to understand, foids love the attention from getting pampered and spoiled. On top of the many daddy issues Gen Z has, this is going to be much much much higher trend in the future. Sex rates are down for Gen Z, they are the most neurotic generation ever...platforms that offer sugaring arrangments are a perfect congruence of foids that are too neurotic to get pumped and dumped on dating apps. This is partly inspired by @TheLastLaugh post https://looksmax.org/threads/proximity-and-monetized-dating-are-here-looks-are-irrelevant.1467205/ , where he talks about this very thing. I did a little digging, and the amount of foids in my area even from my high school on this platform is CRAZY. And after digging on the reddit for seeking, it seems like the foids that engage in these things are genuinely head over heels for these schlubby types. Is the attraction genuine? Maybe, maybe not. It can be any more or less genuine than the dozens of ltns and mtns a mtb has fucked over her roastie career. This observation is not necessarily for or against PSL, that is a separate topic. Many of the boomers on these sites have not only experienced prime jb while growing up, they absolutely mog the current generations in fucking their prime aged foids and the foids who have daddy issues staying more loyal to THEM than any redpill game some normie can run.
>b-but my htn ascension bro, chad bro
What was the last gen z relationshit you see last more than a year? How many subhumans do you see daily through oofy doofy or dark triad fuck becky roasties while you rot in your basement looking at gonial angles and planning surgeries which you will never do? In fact, how much money would Gen Z even have to be a beta bux EVEN if they wanted to? In my honest opinion, PSL being relevant has never been at its lowest point. NT or death, otherwise you will need to pay. Sorry boyo, your surgery ascension just won't cut it.

TLDR: All of these strategies are valid IF you are NT and it is congruent with your personality and your appearance. The question of betabux is irrelevant as it is its own separate metric and a moot point considering Gen Z's lack of resources and moneypills relevance being at an all time high.

Thoughts?
@6ft4 @Whatever @King Solomon
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well, it's all about emotional stimulation and social efficiency at the end of the day right? So you are right in the sense that whatever strat gives you the best results in those aspects will seem to be the 'right' one. For most offtopic rotters looking hot is gonna be the only strat that works, if any 💀
 
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well, it's all about emotional stimulation and social efficiency at the end of the day right? So you are right in the sense that whatever strat gives you the best results in those aspects will seem to be the 'right' one. For most offtopic rotters looking hot is gonna be the only strat that works, if any 💀
Exactly. Not denying ascension works. But for many here its their most optimal strategy, at least after a certain point.
 
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Yes, it’s not one or the other, that’s just two different and very common power dynamics that relationships can be built on. And which one any woman will default to usually comes from what she grew up in, if she grew up in chaos she’ll need and appreciate the hard hand, if she grew up in a more controlled setting it’ll scare her off.

And yes, it needs to be congruent, not just with your appearance but also your abilities and the entirety of your life experience. This is where a lot of the “dark triad” stuff is a cope or a misunderstanding. Because it makes the same mistake as red pill or PUA, saying that women are turned on by psychology. No, they are turned on by physiology, which means if you wanna be some bad boy you better back it up with a deep voice, real deal low inhib, real deal fighting ability, underground access, stuff that a criminal record is a good litmus test for. Obviously every masculinity coper thinks they have edge with their gym muscles, tattoos, and fake stories but the women who prioritize edge know who’s the real thing and that’s criminals.

And any “I can fix him” savior complex that these women (usually lower class and/or black/ethnic) have is not really that innate but rather how they cope with their addiction to chaotic men. Because attitudes come from behavior and behavior comes from attraction, anything the other way around would be incongruent.
 
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Yes, it’s not one or the other, that’s just two different and very common power dynamics that relationships can be built on. And which one any woman will default to usually comes from what she grew up in, if she grew up in chaos she’ll need and appreciate the hard hand, if she grew up in a more controlled setting it’ll scare her off.

And yes, it needs to be congruent, not just with your appearance but also your abilities and the entirety of your life experience. This is where a lot of the “dark triad” stuff is a cope or a misunderstanding. Because it makes the same mistake as red pill or PUA, saying that women are turned on by psychology. No, they are turned on by physiology, which means if you wanna be some bad boy you better back it up with a deep voice, real deal low inhib, real deal fighting ability, underground access, stuff that a criminal record is a good litmus test for. Obviously every masculinity coper thinks they have edge with their gym muscles, tattoos, and fake stories but the women who prioritize edge know who’s the real thing and that’s criminals.

And any “I can fix him” savior complex that these women (usually lower class and/or black/ethnic) have is not really that innate but rather how they cope with their addiction to chaotic men. Because attitudes come from behavior and behavior comes from attraction, anything the other way around would be incongruent.
Yeah fully agreed on the Dark Triad point. Unless you can back it up or have the inclination to commit crimes then it is best not to do it and just run socialmaxxing/just be friends game. What are your thoughts on the whole showing indifference to a woman, preselection, not texting too fast and all of that?
 
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Yeah fully agreed on the Dark Triad point. Unless you can back it up or have the inclination to commit crimes then it is best not to do it and just run socialmaxxing/just be friends game. What are your thoughts on the whole showing indifference to a woman, preselection, not texting too fast and all of that?

That kinda stuff should work itself out on its own if you’re just around enough girls, any advice I ever read that got into that I’d say did more harm than good because it was too generic rather than learning from my own experiences. At least for me trial and error is the only way. Because it seems like the rules are different for every guy depending on looks level, pheno and archetype, the types of girls you tend to attract, many other things. For me personally, it’s like I’m not allowed to be pushy, I can’t even be the one to initiate first, I have to let them come to me. But that also means being available logistically because just about every time I’ve ever fucked it was the girl hitting me up late at night, almost like a surprise. And ultimately all of this points to that I should invest in looksmaxxing to get more opportunities like that.
 
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