(OP) 30M. Rate me on 10? Chad or Incel?

[tiger88]

1. Rate my looks on 10?
2. Point out my imperfections, facial asymmetries etc and possible plastic surgeries to help me be a chad/slayer
3. My premolars were extracted as a part of orthodontic treatment 10 years back. I have attached pre-extraction pics. Compare them with my current pics and asses the facial damage.
3. Morph my image to an ideal one post-surgery. (I'll be really thankful for this one).
4. Money no bar-Point out the best surgeon and surgeries for my case. The goal is to be at least a 9 (if at all that's possible)
5. I'm planning to get dermal fillers this week. Point out the areas where I should focus the most.

Current facial images


Current facial video for better understanding


Pre teeth extraction cephalometric x-ray and dental/facial pics- age:18.5


CBCT xrays-2018


Dr Larry Wolford jaw surgery consultation analysis in 2016


Note: Be as constructively critical as you want. I am thick-skinned and won't get offended

Thank you for taking out time and reading this. Your opinions and feedback will be highly appreciated.

 

[Entschuldigung]

curry
it's over

 

[.👽.]

Damn dude

 

[Deleted member 5694]

Not enough information to rate you, put your resume also.

 

[tiger88]

What does that even mean @Entschuldigung

 

[.👽.]

Your Eye are needs work imo

 

[Deleted member 5179]

"The goal is to be at least a 9 " Thats just wishful thinking. 9s are born. . And whats the point.. just be happy with what uve.

 

[tiger88]

Rate me @BHorning

 

[Deleted member 3043]

there is a lot to say on how much it's probably over but what's worth giving a try :
- total leanmaxxing to 10/100 bf, total gymcelling - how tall are you ? -, white maxxing, and eye color maxxing/stroma
- zygos implants
- jaw angle implants
-taban work for scleral show and lower lid retractation, with reduction of UEE and better cantalt tilt. It will probably implies implants too.

may be a nose job.

 

[Deleted member 5179]

Rate me @BHorning

I dont rate. But ur not bad looking at all.

 

[tiger88]

@streege
Thanks for the reply.
I am 5' 11". You raised some pretty great points. Working on whitemaxxing and results will be out in 2 months.
What do you mean by eyecolourmaxxing?which colour?
Nose job in the pipeline.
How much would ya rate me btw?

 

[Mateusz74]

Cucked hard by eye area

 

[foreverugly1]

working on eyes and jaw implants will be the two that give you the biggest boost, imo. But, I don't see surgery boosting you significantly.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

@streege
Thanks for the reply.
I am 5' 11". You raised some pretty great points. Working on whitemaxxing and results will be out in 2 months.
What do you mean by eyecolourmaxxing?which colour?
Nose job in the pipeline.
How much would ya rate me btw?

that's an okey height, always lit fraud IRL and learn proper posture.
By eyecolor maxxing i mean getting lighter eyes, at first by contact then by stroma or any decent eye color surgery since coloring alone is the most important feature for normies.
as of now 5/10 on normie scale considering your age specially.
Could reach 7/10 if the job is pretty well done imo.

 

[tiger88]

@foreverugly1
Thanks for the reply.
Can you morph and explain the kind of work required in eyes and on jaw. I am pretty open to almost any surgery. I have a virtual consultation lined up with Dr eppley and Dr taban this week. Will show that morphed image to convey my expectations.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

working on eyes and jaw implants will be the two that give you the biggest boost, imo. But, I don't see surgery boosting you significantly.

besides bones : coloring/contrast maxxing.

@foreverugly1
Thanks for the reply.
Can you morph and explain the kind of work required in eyes and on jaw. I am pretty open to almost any surgery. I have a virtual consultation lined up with Dr eppley and Dr taban this week. Will show that morphed image to convey my expectations.

bro morph him to suicefuel @Slayerino

 

[tiger88]

@streege Please explain color/contrast maxxing?

 

[Deleted member 2403]

That video makes me think ur 100% give bobs and vagene aspie

 

[tiger88]

lit fraud IRL

What does that mean?

 

[Deleted member 3043]

@streege Please explain color/contrast maxxing?

basically to put it into context : You phenotype is the worst with aboriginal people in the west.
If you were white with these features, you'll be above average and not have major issues finding a gf.
so for you to try to fraud or escape a bit the fate of your phenotype you need to create so much contrast in color in your face that you can be seen not as your phenotype screams, but as exotic :
this means doing all you can to whiten your skin while looking natural.
And, getting lighter eyes, ideally green eyes for your phenotype is not unatural.

What does that mean?

lift fraud, i mean wear elevator shoes like in :
tallmenshoes.com

 

[Deleted member 6217]

Goodlooking for a curry

 

[Kade]

Your bones are solidly above avg, pheno/coloring holds you back

 

[tiger88]

@streege Wow! You have quite an indept understanding of aesthetics. I'm thrilled to hear your opinion.
Guess I can fix the contrast thing. Working on the skin lightening stuff with dermat plus glutathione injections. So, it should improve skin shade by 5-6.
Foot sole may be to increase height by 3-4 inch which will make me 6' 2"
Eye lenses to change eye colour. Green would be great. (I was confused be blue and green).
Finding gf isn't an issue. I have a lot of 8 plus girls hitting on me.
I agree, my phenotype isn't one of the great.
Thanks for great analysis once again! Thisa forum is dope

Can anyone morph my image so that I can show the same to Dr eppley and Dr taban this week?

Your bones are solidly above avg, pheno/coloring holds you back

Is that all? There could be more things I could fix. Colouring is one of the easiest thing to fix.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

@streege Wow! You have quite an indept understanding of aesthetics. I'm thrilled to hear your opinion.
Guess I can fix the contrast thing. Working on the skin lightening stuff with dermat plus glutathione injections. So, it should improve skin shade by 5-6.
Foot sole may be to increase height by 3-4 inch which will make me 6' 2"
Eye lenses to change eye colour. Green would be great. (I was confused be blue and green).
Finding gf isn't an issue. I have a lot of 8 plus girls hitting on me.
I agree, my phenotype isn't one of the great.
Thanks for great analysis once again! Thisa forum is dope

Can anyone morph my image so that I can show the same to Dr eppley and Dr taban this week?

@Greeicy 's friend or @Slayerino are the best at it, i've pined them if they have time they'll prolly do. but they are probably sleeping now.
I'm not yet totally good in it.
you'r welcome.
3 inchs is the best to do while looking natural.
Don't go for blue eyes it will looks off on your phenotype.

 

[tiger88]

there is a lot to say on how much it's probably over but what's worth giving a try :
- total leanmaxxing to 10/100 bf, total gymcelling - how tall are you ? -, white maxxing, and eye color maxxing/stroma
- zygos implants
- jaw angle implants
-taban work for scleral show and lower lid retractation, with reduction of UEE and better cantalt tilt. It will probably implies implants too.

may be a nose job.

I dont know who you are @streege but I definitely owe you for your great analysis. Iam definitely gonna fix what you have posted and will post images soon.
Most of the things- height, skin complexion, eye colour, gym, bodyfat are easier to fix non invasively.
Need to go for surgery for nose,zygos, jaws,etc.

@streege Can you please explain what kinda jaw implants would help? Also what do you mean by UEE?

 

[Greeicy]

@Greeicy 's friend or @Slayerino are the best at it, i've pined them if they have time they'll prolly do. but they are probably sleeping now.
I'm not yet totally good in it.
you'r welcome.
3 inchs is the best to do while looking natural.
Don't go for blue eyes it will looks off on your phenotype.

Sorry bro but i don't know how to morph. I just ask an user i know on .co who's rarely ever active. Better to ask someone else tbh.

 

[tiger88]

This is how I look when I'm in shape. 2 months old pic. Quarantine has really messed up my workouts.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

I dont know who you are @streege but I definitely owe you for your great analysis. Iam definitely gonna fix what you have posted and will post images soon.
Most of the things- height, skin complexion, eye colour, gym, bodyfat are easier to fix non invasively.
Need to go for surgery for nose,zygos, jaws,etc.

@streege Can you please explain what kinda jaw implants would help? Also what do you mean by UEE?

imo you only need jaw angle implant since you have decent forward growth and mandible, to give your more angularity in the gonion area from front.
You can go for an osteotomy too if you want more lasting results and that you don't like that much implants, like side wide osteotomies.

UEE = upper eyelid exposure.Usually the best way to get rid of it is fat graft. Your eye area is your biggest failo.
Beside your phenotype, what can't make you sadly totally gl is your IPD - interpupillary distance - giving you a longer midface than ideal.
if you are really willing to ascend hard, box osteotomy is the way to go to have no failos left but it's only done usually on deformed people and really dangerous.

View attachment 350606This is how I look when I'm in shape. 2 months old pic. Quarantine has really messed up my workouts.

pretty lean body, that's a good thing. try to be the closer to 10/100 bf as possible.

 

[tiger88]

@streege Thanks for the reply. My midface ratio is 1.04. How come that gives me a longer midface?
Yes, jaw angularity and nose job are definitely in my pipeline and I'm gonna get them soon- by this june.
Do you mean 100 kg 10 percent body fat when you say 10/100 bf @streege ?

 

[badmantier]

your side profile looks better to me than your front view, probably cuz of eye area. Also you're thinning, you need to get on finasteride or get a hair transplant in the future. Rn it may not be noticeable to normies in regular lighting conditions but I can tell it's gonna get bad in a couple years

 

[Deleted member 3043]

@streege Thanks for the reply. My midface ratio is 1.04. How come that gives me a longer midface?
Yes, jaw angularity and nose job are definitely in my pipeline and I'm gonna get them soon- by this june.
Do you mean 100 kg 10 percent body fat when you say 10/100 bf @streege ?

actually you'r right but your face gives the illusion of a longer midface this is due to :
a non ideal nose + a longer than average philtrum and low pfl.
The last you can't anything beside getting the lower eyelid retractation that in mentionned above, the others two are easy fix.

for the bf i mean having at most 10/100 of bodyfat, so beeing totally lean and muscular that your abs shows without contracting.

 

[tiger88]

actually you'r right but your face gives the illusion of a longer midface this is due to :
a non ideal nose + a longer than average philtrum and low pfl.
The last you can't anything beside getting the lower eyelid retractation that in mentionned above, the others two are easy fix.

for the bf i mean having at most 10/100 of bodyfat, so beeing totally lean and muscular that your abs shows without contracting.

@streege What do you mean by low pfl?

 

[Lookismtruth]

Flat maxilla

 

[Deleted member 3043]

@streege What do you mean by low pfl?

palpebral fissure lenght, ie, eyes wideness horizontally. all gl dudes have decent wideness.

 

[tiger88]

@Lookismtruth Please prove it.

Flat maxilla

Prove it with a morph.

 

[Lookismtruth]

@Lookismtruth Please prove it.

Dark circles under eye + maxilla looks flat visually

 

[tiger88]

palpebral fissure lenght, ie, eyes wideness horizontally. all gl dudes have decent wideness.

@streege Is it possible to fix low pfl with surgery?

 

[Deleted member 2205]

No one's talking about his skin?

Good collagen. You look younger than 30 for sure.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

@streege Is it possible to fix low pfl with surgery?

sadly not as of now.
There is a facepulling procedure that can gives a few mm but it's still need more scientifical reviews, called MSE.
Other than that, you can only fraud it by lower eyelid retractation : Try to squinch and see if your eyes don't look wider horizontally.

 

[tiger88]

No one's talking about his skin?

Good collagen. You look younger than 30 for sure.

Bruh. That may be because I haven't eaten refined sugar for the last 10 years. Thanks btw

 

[Deleted member 3043]

No one's talking about his skin?

Good collagen. You look younger than 30 for sure.

yes he doesn't look 30 at all, that's a good thing.

 

[tiger88]

sadly not as of now.
There is a facepulling procedure that can gives a few mm but it's still need more scientifical reviews, called MSE.
Other than that, you can only fraud it by lower eyelid retractation : Try to squinch and see if your eyes don't look wider horizontally.

@streege Do you mean Maxillary skeletal expander by Dr moon , California when you speak of MSE?
I doubt if it has any effects on the eyes.

Not enough information to rate you, put your resume also.

Bruh, Your sense of humour can get you a lot of girls.
Transgender ones!

 

[tiger88]

@streege
Did some morphing
1. Changed eye colour
2. Narrowed nose
3. Skin maxxing
4. Narrow the jaw- I guess you forgot to mention this.(To achieve golden/phi ratio)

Never knew believe the incredible change the eye colour can bring in. Can you please have a look?

 

[Bewusst]

basically to put it into context : You phenotype is the worst with aboriginal people in the west.
If you were white with these features, you'll be above average and not have major issues finding a gf.
so for you to try to fraud or escape a bit the fate of your phenotype you need to create so much contrast in color in your face that you can be seen not as your phenotype screams, but as exotic :
this means doing all you can to whiten your skin while looking natural.
And, getting lighter eyes, ideally green eyes for your phenotype is not unatural.

Dangerous advice here. Ethnicity isn't your main problem. It can't be changed. Bones make phenotypes, not the darkness of your skin.

 

[her]

Dark circles under eye + maxilla looks flat visually

It doesn't look flat.

 

[Lookismtruth]

It doesn't look flat.

Explain the dark circles

 

[her]

Explain the dark circles

Bad under eye support or lack of sleep. His maxilla isn't flat. Sean O'Pry has dark circles too and his maxilla is well above average.

 

[Vidyacoper]

curry and bad eye area

 

[OBE]

Ugh that's really hard to be honest.

You look fine for being indian, the thing is even looking fine as an indian is still bad.
Regarding the eyes, sadly other than contacts you really can't do anything, yes there are surgeries and lasers which BRIGHTEN the eyes not actually changing the colour, so a person with hazel/dark green eyes can go lighter and obtain a new color but since your eyes are so dark it's most probably to don't get a good result without tens of laser sessions which costs tens of thousands and might not be worth it since your eyes will get more and more sensitive to the light, don't listen people who say Stroma can do it, no one knows when it will be available and their proves are shady and mostly on people who already had a lighter shade.

One option is also in Barcelona called Eyecos, I talked with the doctor there and mostly confirmed that for really dark eyes the results aren't as good and it fades with time.

So just invest in a good pair of contacts or just stick with your eyes.

Regarding surgeries, just do a rhinoplasty to slim your nose, and also lips reduction because they are kinda too big and look ethnic, also look into whitening your skin and lips.

Your jaw looks bulky and to be honest while it's a good jaw it just gives you a "dumb" appearance, try to look into Jaw-reduction getting a more V-shaped jaw.

Also your haircut, long hair looks great but usually are white MMs who get it right, on you it looks slightly ethnic so probably the best choice would be an undercut/fade with sides close to 0, basic and shitty but yeah it's what it works for Indians best imo.

Get fillers in your upper eyelid and also undereyes to improve your eye area, also start practicing squinting all the time it will start to feel natural, use Retin A undereye in case you worry about wrinkles tho I doubt you will get them.

You look great for 30 so you have a good start point it's just that you are starting kinda late so better focus on doing everything as soon as possible.

 

[Deleted member 4044]

Not bad bro

Not over at all.

Get some work on eye area (fillers maybe)

Look ok