[OP] Rate Me + Improvement suggestions

[Deleted member 13994]

I can’t get an otoplasty in two months. I still love with my parents and it’s probably in the pipeline but not yet.

why cant you? why does ur parents stop u? or use otostick in mean time

 

[chadison]

he doesnt have bones. This guy is alreay lean. Are you blind? Look, he is skinny as fuck. If you are skinny and you dont have visible bones it means you are boneless. I had visible cheekbones when I was heavily overweight because I had the bones to begin with. My older brother was very fat and still had a visible jaw because his jaw is very wide.

Yes but T and HGH expand bones through the 20s, and latent fat can slowly come off with excessive lifting and cardio. There won't be any huge changes but there could be some smaller changes that are significant in the right lighting.

 

[Deleted member 14650]

why cant you? why does ur parents stop u? or use otostick in mean time

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I’m still a teen living with my parents and they still call a good amount of the shots for now. Getting a cosmetic surgery is not exactly something they’ll enjoy unless I could somehow hide it. I’ll look into an otostick for now though.

 

[gamma]

You are a normie as normie can get, you dont have a jawline, no zygos, no browridge, not a good eye area. you are boneless

Major cope, average man (normie) isn't SO boneless
He's below average

 

[Deleted member 14650]

Yes but T and HGH expand bones through the 20s, and latent fat can slowly come off with excessive lifting and cardio. There won't be any huge changes but there could be some smaller changes that are significant in the right lighting.

I didn’t lose most of my childhood fat until last year so this could be valid.

 

[Deleted member 14650]

Major cope, average man (normie) isn't SO boneless
He's below average

Normies aren’t 6’1 either tho.

 

[Deleted member 13994]

I’m still a teen living with my parents and they still call a good amount of the shots for now. Getting a cosmetic surgery is not exactly something they’ll enjoy unless I could somehow hide it. I’ll look into an otostick for now though.

i would tell them that u are insecure about ur ears (even if u arent) and say they affect ur mental health and that people have bullied you. That surgery would help with these problems. Also i thought u were much older wow

 

[Deleted member 14650]

i would tell them that u are insecure about ur ears (even if u arent) and say they affect ur mental health and that people have bullied you. That surgery would help with these problems. Also i thought u were much older wow

I’ve tired to push it on them with the pretext that my glasses (I rarely wear them and thus didn’t include pictures) stay on crooked due to my uneven ears and that was the only time I got positive reception. Maybe it’s worth pushing more. Also is looking older a good thing lol?

 

[CursedOne]

Major cope, average man (normie) isn't SO boneless
He's below average

most normie are boneless, I never see a guy on the street that has a strong browridge or very wide cheekbones like me. even if this guy doesnt have bones, he also doesnt have any major failos either, this and the fact that he is wide and tall make him normie. you are the coping guy here

 

[gamma]

Normies aren’t 6’1 either tho.

Height is cope unfurtunately
I'm taller than you, means nothing

 

[randomuser2407]

Average looking face but giraffe neck and elephant ears.

You can fix the neck by getting bigger traps.

Taking steroids and getting strong at deadlifts is the best way to get huge traps.
To have big traps without steroids, you would need to have good genetics for building muscle in that area.

Although people have compared me to you, I don't have a giraffe neck, and my face isn't as fat as what you see on my DSLR pictures.
My face is very lean although I don't have abs, and my neck is normal and my jaw is way better.

And, I don't have ears that are disproportional to the size of my face.

Also, I'm not saying that you're too ugly to attract women, but you'll have to address those failos if you want to ascend enough to be able to hookup regularly with women from bars, clubs and Online Dating.

With the look you have right now, you could get laid in Southeast Asia, or you could get a normie (average looks) girlfriend in your home country, or if you do a lot of cold approaching, maybe you could get some hookups but with below average looking women.

It really is up to you, either you settle for what you have, or you work hard to ascend to get something better.

The best way to fix your failos is to get as muscular as possible because a muscular physique is going to take the attention away from your elephant ears and your giraffe neck, which will make you improve your looks a lot.

 

[Deleted member 14650]

Height is cope unfurtunately
I'm taller than you, means nothing

Tell that my 5’8 friend who is objectively very attractive facially but gets zero attention from girls due to his height. Face is definitely not important but let’s not write things off here.

 

[gamma]

wide

Wide?

make him normie. you are the coping guy here

0 cope from me, he's below the average italian
You problably live in curryland or some subhuman country

 

[Deleted member 13994]

I’ve tired to push it on them with the pretext that my glasses (I rarely wear them and thus didn’t include pictures) stay on crooked due to my uneven ears and that was the only time I got positive reception. Maybe it’s worth pushing more. Also is looking older a good thing lol?

Yes foids are attracted to mature men that are their age. Yes, push it. Also i don't think they physically can stop u and i assume unless ur parents have huge ears they have no reason to be offended by it

 

[CursedOne]

Wide?

0 cope from me, he's below the average italian
You problably live in curryland or some subhuman country

I wanted to write "white". lol
nah, he isnt below average looking. I live in germany and see how the average guy looks like.

 

[randomuser2407]

Height is cope unfurtunately
I'm taller than you, means nothing

Yes exactly. I have been 6 foot 4 since the age of 16 but before my jaw surgery, I was so ugly that I could only attract ugly asian women and I was unable to even attract white 6s and 7s IRL. Now, I can attract the attention of 6s and 7s IRL and sometimes even 8s, but still, it's not guaranteed that if I talk to them, I will get laid.

My jaw surgery just made me go from invisible to noticed, but it didn't get me laid automatically, so I still need to looksmax even more.

Height only helps if you're good looking, that much is true. If you're ugly and you're tall, at least, you have potential, unlike short ugly guys who can't get taller even if they make their face look better.

 

[Deleted member 14650]

Average looking face but giraffe neck and elephant ears.

You can fix the neck by getting bigger traps.

Taking steroids and getting strong at deadlifts is the best way to get huge traps.
To have big traps without steroids, you would need to have good genetics for building muscle in that area.

Although people have compared me to you, I don't have a giraffe neck, and my face isn't as fat as what you see on my DSLR pictures.
My face is very lean although I don't have abs, and my neck is normal and my jaw is way better.

And, I don't have ears that are disproportional to the size of my face.

Also, I'm not saying that you're too ugly to attract women, but you'll have to address those failos if you want to ascend enough to be able to hookup regularly with women from bars, clubs and Online Dating.

With the look you have right now, you could get laid in Southeast Asia, or you could get a normie (average looks) girlfriend in your home country, or if you do a lot of cold approaching, maybe you could get some hookups but with below average looking women.

It really is up to you, either you settle for what you have, or you work hard to ascend to get something better.

The best way to fix your failos is to get as muscular as possible because a muscular physique is going to take the attention away from your elephant ears and your giraffe neck, which will make you improve your looks a lot.

I see the neck as a good thing cuz it gives me height. Still its definitely too thin and I’ve been training it. Also started a 5 day lifting routine recently so I’ll have to see how it goes. My face is definitely fatter than yours but I wouldn’t call it fat and I have an okish jawline that shows when I’m clean shaven. The only DSLR photos I have are the two professional ones so I’ll have to see how I look without distortion. Overall you make valid points tho. Where do you think I can get with those improvements?

 

[Deleted member 14650]

Yes foids are attracted to mature men that are their age. Yes, push it. Also i don't think they physically can stop u and i assume unless ur parents have huge ears they have no reason to be offended by it

I’ll have to see if doing that works then.

 

[Deleted member 13994]

good luck. Also u are already good looking this will just ascend you

I’ll have to see if doing that works then.

 

[Deleted member 14650]

Yes exactly. I have been 6 foot 4 since the age of 16 but before my jaw surgery, I was so ugly that I could only attract ugly asian women and I was unable to even attract white 6s and 7s IRL. Now, I can attract the attention of 6s and 7s IRL and sometimes even 8s, but still, it's not guaranteed that if I talk to them, I will get laid.

My jaw surgery just made me go from invisible to noticed, but it didn't get me laid automatically, so I still need to looksmax even more.

Height only helps if you're good looking, that much is true. If you're ugly and you're tall, at least, you have potential, unlike short ugly guys who can't get taller even if they make their face look better.

I’ve seen 6’4 average dudes in my town get laid specially because of their height. Can’t be that simple but I guess it’s more a multiplier like people say.

 

[Deleted member 14650]

good luck. Also u are already good looking this will just ascend you

I swear it’s so funny some people have said I look pretty decent and others think I look like a fucking ghoul.

 

[Deleted member 13994]

I swear it’s so funny some people have said I look pretty decent and others think I look like a fucking ghoul.

they are coping. You arent a gigachad but who is? The ears being pinned will increase ur looks along with adding muscle and a tan too

 

[randomuser2407]

I see the neck as a good thing cuz it gives me height. Still its definitely too thin and I’ve been training it. Also started a 5 day lifting routine recently so I’ll have to see how it goes. My face is definitely fatter than yours but I wouldn’t call it fat and I have an okish jawline that shows when I’m clean shaven. The only DSLR photos I have are the two professional ones so I’ll have to see how I look without distortion. Overall you make valid points tho. Where do you think I can get with those improvements?

Your problem is not that you have a pencil neck, your problem is that you have a large neck sticking out like a sore thumb which looks weird.

The best way to fix it is to build the traps because the traps connect to the neck so your neck won't stick out anymore.

The best way to build the traps is to do a lot of pulling movements like deadlifts, barbell bent over rows and Snatch Grip High Pulls and get really strong at them through progressive overload.

Also, you would have been better off with a normal neck even if it had made you a few inches shorter because it is a very big imperfection, not just a minor thing that people barely notice, but it's not like you had a choice in the matter anyways.

I didn't mean that your jaw is fat but it's definitely not lean. I have hollow cheeks, even when I am in bad lighting and not flexing, and I am not even at a lean body fat percentage, so imagine if I was 10% body fat.

Also, the worst thing is not to be ugly but to be ugly with no potential to change things for the better, that is when a guy can be really doomed. As a tall guy, you have a lot of potential, which will be left untapped if you don't get muscular, so don't neglect that aspect because it is the most important of all. A friend of mine has a very average looking face but because he is tall and very muscular, he looks way above average, so when people here claim that face is everything, they don't know what they are talking about. Face is just one aspect. There are many.

 

[randomuser2407]

I’ve seen 6’4 average dudes in my town get laid specially because of their height. Can’t be that simple but I guess it’s more a multiplier like people say.

Yes, being tall definitely helps but you also have to be good looking and muscular.

You don't have to be Arnold Schwarzennegger or Jeff Seid, but you need to have at least an aesthetic physique that makes you look like you lift whether you have a shirt on or not.

The only people who can get away with not being muscular are those who only do relationships or those who are so good looking in the face that they get laid even without being muscular at all.

Also, some guys have such a casanova personality that they can get laid easily with an average face and 6 foot 4 height, but most guys, whether they are tall or not, do not have that kind of personality and it's not really something that can be developed, unlike what PUAs claim.

 

[Deleted member 14650]

Your problem is not that you have a pencil neck, your problem is that you have a large neck sticking out like a sore thumb which looks weird.

The best way to fix it is to build the traps because the traps connect to the neck so your neck won't stick out anymore.

The best way to build the traps is to do a lot of pulling movements like deadlifts, barbell bent over rows and Snatch Grip High Pulls and get really strong at them through progressive overload.

Also, you would have been better off with a normal neck even if it had made you a few inches shorter because it is a very big imperfection, not just a minor thing that people barely notice, but it's not like you had a choice in the matter anyways.

I didn't mean that your jaw is fat but it's definitely not lean. I have hollow cheeks, even when I am in bad lighting and not flexing, and I am not even at a lean body fat percentage, so imagine if I was 10% body fat.

Also, the worst thing is not to be ugly but to be ugly with no potential to change things for the better, that is when a guy can be really doomed. As a tall guy, you have a lot of potential, which will be left untapped if you don't get muscular, so don't neglect that aspect because it is the most important of all. A friend of mine has a very average looking face but because he is tall and very muscular, he looks way above average, so when people here claim that face is everything, they don't know what they are talking about. Face is just one aspect. There are many.

Yeah I’m not sure if my bodyfat really is that low, like others have said I don’t look that low. My face will be naturally fatter due to my family’s genetics but if you look at the beach pic you’ll see I don’t exactly look like my bf is that low so maybe the calculator is wrong as I have weird proportions (naturally muscular and built legs but a normal upper body). Luckily the lifting program i stayed includes those exercises you mentioned so hopefully I’ll see progress over the next few months. I’m still gonna train my neck tho cause it is thin (14 1/2 inches). Think I can be HTN if do all the suggested improvements?

 

[randomuser2407]

I swear it’s so funny some people have said I look pretty decent and others think I look like a fucking ghoul.

That is because on this forum there are guys who are really ugly and guys who are really good looking, and guys who are average.

Those who are uglier than you worship you, but those who are on your level or above will either tell you the truth (that you're average) or they will say that it's over for you (which isn't true).

 

[Deleted member 14650]

Those who are uglier than you worship you, but those who are on your level or above will either tell you the truth (that you're average) or they will say that it's over for you (which isn't true).

Average ain’t a bad starting point.

 

[randomuser2407]

Yeah I’m not sure if my bodyfat really is that low, like others have said I don’t look that low. My face will be naturally fatter due to my family’s genetics but if you look at the beach pic you’ll see I don’t exactly look like my bf is that low so maybe the calculator is wrong as I have weird proportions (naturally muscular and built legs but a normal upper body). Luckily the lifting program i stayed includes those exercises you mentioned so hopefully I’ll see progress over the next few months. I’m still gonna train my neck tho cause it is thin (14 1/2 inches). Think I can be HTN if do all the suggested improvements?

Progress is not going to happen within a few months, it takes a lot longer time than that, even with good genetics.

You'll need 1 year of consistent training to look like you lift with a shirt off.

Example here:

And 2.5-3 years (total) of consistent training to look like you lift with a shirt on.

Example here:

And that only applies if you do it properly, otherwise it could take you 5-10 years or more.

You'll have to lean bulk, do progressive overload on a good program, sleep enough and stay consistent for at least 2 and a half years to get what you see on the last picture. Of course, you won't look exactly like that, it will depend on your genetics, but you'll have a similar physique (maybe your chest will be round, maybe your shoulders will be wider or more narrow, it depends) and you'll look way better than you do now.

 

[Deleted member 14650]

Progress is not going to happen within a few months, it takes a lot longer time than that, even with good genetics.

You'll need 1 year of consistent training to look like you lift with a shirt off.

Example here: View attachment 1242172View attachment 1242173


And 2.5-3 years (total) of consistent training to look like you lift with a shirt on.

Example here: View attachment 1242168


And that only applies if you do it properly, otherwise it could take you 5-10 years or more.

You'll have to lean bulk, do progressive overload on a good program, sleep enough and stay consistent for at least 2 and a half years to get what you see on the last picture. Of course, you won't look exactly like that, it will depend on your genetics, but you'll have a similar physique (maybe your chest will be round, maybe your shoulders will be wider or more narrow, it depends) and you'll look way better than you do now.

Ah I see. By a few months I meant noticing progress, not already looking good. Yeah I think that could get me to htn if I do it properly. Just gotta hope the long neck isn’t a huge liability.

 

[Deleted member 14650]

they are coping. You arent a gigachad but who is? The ears being pinned will increase ur looks along with adding muscle and a tan too

Any tanning recommendations? I don’t know much about it.

 

[Deleted member 13994]

Any tanning recommendations? I don’t know much about it.

Going out in the sun hahah

on a serious note here is some threads. I don't recommend tanning beds

Skin Coloring Maxing, How to get ideal Golden Caramel Glow

Share your methods, thoughts, and ideas: Examples of what I think is pretty close to ideal and the most desired skin coloring by many, a Golden Caramel Tan, Olive Skin tone seen mostly in Mullatos, Latinos and Meds. Light skin but glowing and colorful. Hints of orange, yellow, and a little red...

looksmax.org

Melanotan 2 IS AMAZING! [MELANOTAN 2 GUIDE]

INTRODUCTION: I started using melanotan 2 about a month ago and the results are absolutely absurd. Everyone commented on my skin tone at a party I went to recently. I had insanely high expectations for this drug and they have been met accordingly. I've been extremely pale all my life and used to...

looksmax.org

 

[Deleted member 14650]

Going out in the sun hahah

on a serious note here is some threads. I don't recommend tanning beds

Skin Coloring Maxing, How to get ideal Golden Caramel Glow

Share your methods, thoughts, and ideas: Examples of what I think is pretty close to ideal and the most desired skin coloring by many, a Golden Caramel Tan, Olive Skin tone seen mostly in Mullatos, Latinos and Meds. Light skin but glowing and colorful. Hints of orange, yellow, and a little red...

looksmax.org

Melanotan 2 IS AMAZING! [MELANOTAN 2 GUIDE]

INTRODUCTION: I started using melanotan 2 about a month ago and the results are absolutely absurd. Everyone commented on my skin tone at a party I went to recently. I had insanely high expectations for this drug and they have been met accordingly. I've been extremely pale all my life and used to...

looksmax.org

I’ve heard about MT-2. Is that safe? I haven’t heard much about it being dangerous but things like these almost always have a catch.

 

[Deleted member 13994]

I’ve heard about MT-2. Is that safe? I haven’t heard much about it being dangerous but things like these almost always have a catch.

honestly I would only use it if you burned horrible and nothing else worked. The other stuff will be good enough hopefully

 

[coolguy1]

Normie if you consider ur height

 

[Deleted member 14650]

Normie if you consider ur height

And if you don’t?

 

[coolguy1]

And if you don’t?

I would say very slightly below average because of ur ears

 

[Bitch]

why cant you? why does ur parents stop u? or use otostick in mean time

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Girl looked so cute before, I personally wouldn't even consider that a failo on her

 

[Deleted member 14650]

I would say very slightly below average because of ur ears

Yeah I can see that. What do you think I should do for my face besides my ears. I plan to get an otoplsty when I’m older and have better finances.

 

[Deleted member 14650]

honestly I would only use it if you burned horrible and nothing else worked. The other stuff will be good enough hopefully

Ah I hear ya. Back to the otoplasty idea, do you think just doing one ear would be enough. I’ve always thought the issue isn’t that they’re big, but that one sticks out more than the other. Or is it kinda a if I’m going to do it then might as well go all the way kinda thing?

 

[Deleted member 13994]

Ah I hear ya. Back to the otoplasty idea, do you think just doing one ear would be enough. I’ve always thought the issue isn’t that they’re big, but that one sticks out more than the other. Or is it kinda a if I’m going to do it then might as well go all the way kinda thing?

i would speak to surgeons and see what they think im not an expert

 

[koalendo]

Tell that my 5’8 friend who is objectively very attractive facially but gets zero attention from girls due to his height. Face is definitely not important but let’s not write things off here.

Are you sure he's 5'8 and not a 5'6 lying about his height?
5'8 is not too short especially if he's "objectively very attractive facially"?

 

[Deleted member 14650]

Are you sure he's 5'8 and not a 5'6 lying about his height?
5'8 is not too short especially if he's "objectively very attractive facially"?

Not sure, could be the case.

 

[Deleted member 14166]

Hey all. I'm curious where I stand and what I can do to improve my appearance, especially since I've noticed that (in my opinion) my appearance varies greatly depending on things like lighting and what I'm wearing. Any feedback would be appreciated.


Info:
Height: 6'1 barefoot (When they measured at the doctors they said 6'1.5 so maybe I'm ding it wrong)
Weight: 162lbs.
Bodyfat Percentage: 11-12% (don't have the exact measurement and its from a calculator so it could be incorrect).


Additional Questions:
Do I look better in motion or stationary?
What do you think my upper ceiling is with soft improvements?
Should i grow my hair out or keep it short?
What are my falios and halos?


Thanks for your time.

normie could ascend to chadlite or chad if you hit the gym

 

[eduardkoopman]

Long neck = more height. Blessing and a curse but I’ll take it.

That's why you need to gymmaxxing.
Neck will get thicker. A long neck ain't bad, when it's not a pencil neck.

Much rating.
Average face.
Good height.
Body shape, above average because not fat but lacks muscle mass. Hit the gym bro

 

[Deleted member 14650]

That's why you need to gymmaxxing.
Neck will get thicker. A long neck ain't bad, when it's not a pencil neck.

Much rating.
Average face.
Good height.
Body shape, above average because not fat but lacks muscle mass. Hit the gym bro

That's the plan. I'm gonna have to eat a lot though since I already shovel shit into my face and don't gain weight. This should be a fun time.

 

[eduardkoopman]

That's the plan. I'm gonna have to eat a lot though since I already shovel shit into my face and don't gain weight. This should be a fun time.

you need an eating/meal plan; as well as a gym plan. To do well.
I need that to.
I give myself 2 months, to try on muh own with home gym. And if muh results suck. I join a personal coaching plan at a local gym, where they make training and eating plan for you; and you have to fork 120 usd orso every month to them for that..

 

[Deleted member 14650]

you need an eating/meal plan; as well as a gym plan. To do well.
I need that to.
I give myself 2 months, to try on muh own with home gym. And if muh results suck. I join a personal coaching plan at a local gym, where they make training and eating plan for you; and you have to fork 120 usd orso every month to them for that..

I'm doing Layne Norton's PHAT program and have noticed some minor strength gains over the past month I've been doing it. It'll take longer for visible muscle growth and that's if the strength gains keep up. Getting my diet in order will certainly help too because I eat way to much sugar.

 

[eduardkoopman]

because I eat way to much sugar.

dirty bulk maxxing

 

[Deleted member 14650]

dirty bulk maxxing

Don't doubt its effect but I don't wanna look fat for a good amount of time and I can afford to lean bulk. Nevertheless If I go long enough and don't see results then I'll have to give it a try.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Don't doubt its effect but I don't wanna look fat for a good amount of time and I can afford to lean bulk. Nevertheless If I go long enough and don't see results then I'll have to give it a try.

muh post aout dirty bulk maxxing, was a joke. Advice not to do it, Derrick said. Good video from him, he's a great source tbh