Open growth plates at 18

[epoxy]

Is there anything that can be done to have a significant impact on height at this age with open plates (besides LL)

 

[aryanwantsadvice]

AI, hgh, low test, pray to gandy

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

AI, hgh, low test, pray to gandy

true. everybody talking about hgh, peptides and mk, but forget about estrogen levels, wich is literally the most important hormone for vertical growth. if they are still open take an ai and do hgh, if not affordable do peptides or mk-677

 

[samgrattlescouilles]

true. everybody talking about hgh, peptides and mk, but forget about estrogen levels, wich is literally the most important hormone for vertical growth. if they are still open take an ai and do hgh, if not affordable do peptides or mk-677

mk is ass and expensive too

 

[epoxy]

AI, hgh, low test, pray to gandy

got testosterone results a week ago being 790, is that low? 🫩

 

[epoxy]

true. everybody talking about hgh, peptides and mk, but forget about estrogen levels, wich is literally the most important hormone for vertical growth. if they are still open take an ai and do hgh, if not affordable do peptides or mk-677

so higher estrogen = more potential vertical growth?

 

[archef]

Bump

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

so higher estrogen = more potential vertical growth?

no. opposite. 0 estrogen equals no growth plate closure, wich means you could grow forever. you wanna have your estrogen levels at 10 pg/ml, so your plates dont close as early as they would

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

mk is ass and expensive too

jfl at you you dumb ahhh greycel. youre so fucking low iq and most likely retarded. learn about pharmacology and apologise. and if so, give me arguments. and dont just say:"muhhh ive heard mk bad, muh" you have no clue

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

expensive too

expensive??? if you dont have a source with 1g for 30 dollars, wich is legit, go rope

 

[epoxy]

no. opposite. 0 estrogen equals no growth plate closure, wich means you could grow forever. you wanna have your estrogen levels at 10 pg/ml, so your plates dont close as early as they would

Ah okay. Do you know any posts about lowering estrogen?

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

Ah okay. Do you know any posts about lowering estrogen?

take an aromatase inhibitor. this guide from @renos is all you need to know

AROMATASE INHIBITORS – FULL GUIDE FOR HEIGHTMAXXING, PUBERTY DELAY & ESTROGEN CONTROL

When it comes to heightmaxxing people always recommend the combination of HGH and an AI but what even are Aromatase Inhibitors? This guide will teach you everything you need to know about Aromatase inhibitors! read this guide if you want to gain knowledge about HGH →...

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[aryanwantsadvice]

true. everybody talking about hgh, peptides and mk, but forget about estrogen levels, wich is literally the most important hormone for vertical growth. if they are still open take an ai and do hgh, if not affordable do peptides or mk-677

yeah of course., estrogen fuses bone but is needed for growth too. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9300203/

i think mk is no good either, it heps at night but doesn't give enough. better 4 training

 

[Pasha33]

bro honestly i dont think you can grow. all the compounds in the world wont really help height significsntly

 

[coreym1374]

no. opposite. 0 estrogen equals no growth plate closure, wich means you could grow forever. you wanna have your estrogen levels at 10 pg/ml, so your plates dont close as early as they would

this is still a problem though. while it may assist in delaying the closure of epiphyseal plates, the normal ratio for estrogen in the average human male is between 10:1 and 30:1, which 10 pg/ml of estrogen is incredibly low, im guessing everyone on here is looking to have higher test overall, which this major imbalance could cause problems outside of external moderation of growth hormone levels, could have major implications on cognitive function, decreased bone density both in body and face, etc

you can't grow forever from having 0 estrogen, and it's not worth reaping the risks over the rewards, it greatly varies, i'd recommend OP to keep a balance of testosterone and estrogen but if they really do want to lower estrogen levels still keep a healthy ratio/balance between both test and estrogen as estradiol levels are vital in developmental stages

 

[samgrattlescouilles]

jfl at you you dumb ahhh greycel. youre so fucking low iq and most likely retarded. learn about pharmacology and apologise. and if so, give me arguments. and dont just say:"muhhh ive heard mk bad, muh" you have no clue

mk is ass take your indian rat poison thats gonna hopefully give you balls cancer so you cant reproduce and curse your kids with mental retardation atp its natural selection mk is cope powder it doesnt do shit no one got any significant results from it except diabetes

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

mk is ass take your indian rat poison thats gonna hopefully give you balls cancer so you cant reproduce and curse your kids with mental retardation atp its natural selection mk is cope powder it doesnt do shit no one got any significant results from it except diabetes

Such a fucking low iq response. Your such a dumb greycel. Still hope your brain development will start soon. Here’s something that instantly rapes your argument.

My experience with MK-677

Currently I'm 16 (turning 17 in July) and I started 20mg MK-677 around 2,5 and a half months ago, and wanted to share my experience. Before you say anything like "muhhh it's cope!:feelswah:" I did my research before taking it and this is just my personal experience. While I responded very...

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I got multiple more btw. Keep saying shit. I think you’re new to the game and learn so much in a short time that yuo think your the smartest. I think the dunning-Kruger-effect applies to you you stupid faggot.

 

[samgrattlescouilles]

Such a fucking low iq response. Your such a dumb greycel. Still hope your brain development will start soon. Here’s something that instantly rapes your argument.

My experience with MK-677

Currently I'm 16 (turning 17 in July) and I started 20mg MK-677 around 2,5 and a half months ago, and wanted to share my experience. Before you say anything like "muhhh it's cope!:feelswah:" I did my research before taking it and this is just my personal experience. While I responded very...

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nigga talking abt low iq while his only proof is one anectodal story of a random dude on a random forum ur the retarded one here plus its clearly cope he"grew" 0,5 cm only good thing with mk is increased hunger everything else is cope

Keep saying shit. I think you’re new to the game and learn so much in a short time that yuo think your the smartest. I think the dunning-Kruger-effect applies to you you stupid faggot.

it applies for you too you think your smart af while you are clearly retarded for anyone above 100iq stop mental masturbation and use your braincells dumbass

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

nigga talking abt low iq while his only proof is one anectodal story of a random dude on a random forum ur the retarded one here plus its clearly cope he"grew" 0,5 cm only good thing with mk is increased hunger everything else is cope

it applies for you too you think your smart af while you are clearly retarded for anyone above 100iq stop mental masturbation and use your braincells dumbass

Have you taken Mk yourself? Your so fucking dumb and can’t read my message right. More plates more dates and almost every other gymcel influencer has advertised mk for muscle and Leo Rex (rip brah) even said you can heightmaxx with it.

Have you seen any studies or are you just repeating what you’ve heard, greycel?
Btw Reno’s his growthplates are almost closed, so with mk there wasn’t much to expect.
Still after multiple days I haven’t heard a single argument backed by science from yuo. Keep. Some people are so stupid that when you talk to them they can’t reflect and only repeat them selves. And I think your one of them. I don’t say mk is the holy grail, but it’s decent for it’s practicality.

 

[samgrattlescouilles]

More plates more dates and almost every other gymcel influencer has advertised mk for muscle and Leo Rex (rip brah) even said you can heightmaxx with it.

Have you seen any studies or are you just repeating what you’ve heard, greycel?

jokes writes themselves retard

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

jokes writes themselves retard

actually after looking at this, ik why that seems contradictary or even hypocritical. But what i was saying was that even gym influencers, studies beside, even said that its practically possible, and not only theoretically, like studies say. I btw marked that with "even", to show that. Good point, and good recognition, but still it may seem contradictory but isnt. how about you apologize and say that its wrong to say that mk-677 doesnt work, even though it acts over more pathways than hgh itself (5). doesnt mean its better than hgh. but its an affordable alternative. I never said it is good.

here a few studies on mk used as a tratment for ghd kids:

Treatment of Pediatric Growth Hormone Deficiency With Oral Secretagogues Revisited - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Increased peak GH response with oral GH secretagogue receptor agonist in children with GHD | medwireNewsFocus | Paediatric Endocrinology

An oral growth hormone secretagogue receptor agonist produces larger GH responses than standard stimulation tests in children with growth hormone deficiency, study findings suggest.

paediatric-endocrinology.medwirenews.com

i dont wanna spam studies, because you have a life, and i dont wanna be a stupid faggot. I hope you get my point.

 

[samgrattlescouilles]

actually after looking at this, ik why that seems contradictary or even hypocritical. But what i was saying was that even gym influencers, studies beside, even said that its practically possible, and not only theoretically, like studies say.

Dont really understand your argument but it doesnt matter ;
Mpmd did a video on it didnt watch it fully but pretty sure he used studies in it like he alway does
Dont know the other gyml influencer so idk
its maybe possible to get gains on mk but i know some mfers who used mk677 and it barely did anything for them (muscle wise) but then they hopped on dbol and test and their progress skyrocketed to where i was legit bamboozled . It may do some stuff but honestly idk it seems pretty weak even the other guy who you linked the post to said increased muscle but didnt provide any pictures meaning it has barely done anything significant. Also the height 0.5 cm is very little it could even be a measurement error or his disc being compressed and at least 5 other reasons so idk

I btw marked that with "even", to show that. Good point, and good recognition, but still it may seem contradictory but isnt.

How isnt it contradictory ? I kinda get your point but it doesnt really prove anything they could just be saying anything and honestly i would trust a study on humans way more than the average roided up youtuber trying to sell you his ebook if you could give me a solid before and after video off only mk677 i would change my mind on it but from what ive seen its just hunger in a pill

how about you apologize and say that its wrong to say that mk-677 doesnt work, even though it acts over more pathways than hgh itself

Never said mk677 was useless and was an inert powder i said it produced irrelevant results muscle wise and on hgh production . It acts on more pathways than hgh but that include side effects like hunger blood glucose sleep etc ...

(5). doesnt mean its better than hgh. but its an affordable alternative. I never said it is good.

Its not really an alternative since its so weak maybe if you megadose it it will produce more results but idk if anyone ever tried it and side effects would prob be really bad

here a few studies on mk used as a tratment for ghd kids:

Treatment of Pediatric Growth Hormone Deficiency With Oral Secretagogues Revisited - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Increased peak GH response with oral GH secretagogue receptor agonist in children with GHD | medwireNewsFocus | Paediatric Endocrinology

An oral growth hormone secretagogue receptor agonist produces larger GH responses than standard stimulation tests in children with growth hormone deficiency, study findings suggest.

paediatric-endocrinology.medwirenews.com

i dont wanna spam studies, because you have a life, and i dont wanna be a stupid faggot. I hope you get my point.

Yeah
Never said mk was completly useless i might even use it later during bulking cycles it can be really good for hardgainers with low hunger or a fast metabolism but i wont give myself false hope thinkin i boutta gain 10cm and ascend to cl

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

Tbh i think we talked past each other lmao. I think we both overreacted on some points, and yeah obviously a roid youtuber who was sponsered by swisschems will tell you its the holy grayl. (rewatched the clip from mdmp and it was kinda an ad for swisschems lmao)

one got any significant results from it except diabetes

Never said mk677 was useless

you kinda said it, but it was overegsaggerated obv.

 

[samgrattlescouilles]

you kinda said it, but it was overegsaggerated obv.

Yeah i overaxaregated a little but you get my point when people take mk677 its in the hope of gaining absurd amounts of muscle mass or grow taller and it doesnt really happen from what ive seen so its basicaly useless for them, tho mk677 can have other uses like i said

 

[stormlymikkel]

got testosterone results a week ago being 790, is that low? 🫩

Are you trying to fish for compliments or validation?

 

[epoxy]

Are you trying to fish for compliments or validation?

Wasn’t fishing for either, just wanted to know if anyone who understands hormones on a deeper level than me could give me a better idea of where I stand in terms of growth potential because the only knowledge I have about my T levels is google saying I’m in the “normal” range.

 

[stormlymikkel]

Wasn’t fishing for either, just wanted to know if anyone who understands hormones on a deeper level than me could give me a better idea of where I stand in terms of growth potential because the only knowledge I have about my T levels is google saying I’m in the “normal” range.

Nobody knows your growth potential

 

[Egner]

very unusual to grow much at that age