Opinion on enclomiphene

[geekworld22]

Have you tried ?

 

[CertifiedGoy]

Just pick up the needle son

 

[trenace450]

Complete cope unless you're doing a pct

 

[FiendFiend]

Have you tried ?

enclo is valid for test recovery with SARMs yes

 

[geekworld22]

Complete cope unless you're doing a pct

Just pick up the needle son

Thanks for your share

 

[geekworld22]

Just pick up the needle son

Love your username btw

 

[FiendFiend]

Just pick up the needle son

needle isnt always better, SARMs mog roids in terms of androgenic side effects.

With test or some shit ur making ur body rely on test, u need to be doing 400 or over test or its just a meme, u need dut, prob accutane too, God knows what else.

HGH can be injected with needle but for muscle building it doesnt even come close to SARMs and is a waste of money

 

[CertifiedGoy]

needle isnt always better, SARMs mog roids in terms of androgenic side effects.

With test or some shit ur making ur body rely on test, u need to be doing 400 or over test or its just a meme, u need dut, prob accutane too, God knows what else.

HGH can be injected with needle but for muscle building it doesnt even come close to SARMs and is a waste of money

Test only is a meme imo anyway. I think low dose tren mogs with test as an e2 base

 

[FiendFiend]

Test only is a meme imo anyway. I think low dose tren mogs with test as an e2 base

true yes ideally we would all love to be on tren but tren has insane side effects most people arent prepared to tackle, and u may not respond well to it. clav didnt.

I'd like to be on test too if not for the 1000 side effects and it not being cost effective. I already got some tiny pimples on my shoulders from ostarine if i ran test i'd actually turn into a disgusting swine

 

[CertifiedGoy]

I already got some tiny pimples on my shoulders from ostarine if i ran test i'd actually turn into a disgusting swine

How did you find ostarine? Did you use enclo with it?

 

[lucifer88]

Have you tried ?

no i have noo\t

 

[user1827]

Why do you want to use enclo? Situation varies on whether it's good or not.

 

[user1827]

true yes ideally we would all love to be on tren but tren has insane side effects most people arent prepared to tackle, and u may not respond well to it. clav didnt.

I'd like to be on test too if not for the 1000 side effects and it not being cost effective. I already got some tiny pimples on my shoulders from ostarine if i ran test i'd actually turn into a disgusting swine

Testosterone is cheap? If your getting 1000 side effects from testosterone that you don't know how to deal with you shouldn't have pinned in the first place, almost every side can be managed.

Also ostarine has a horrible suppression to muscle gain ratio, I don't think it should ever be ran when alternatives are available.

 

[FiendFiend]

Testosterone is cheap? If your getting 1000 side effects from testosterone that you don't know how to deal with you shouldn't have pinned in the first place, almost every side can be managed.

Also ostarine has a horrible suppression to muscle gain ratio, I don't think it should ever be ran when alternatives are available.

nvm i lied yeah ur right the source i was looking at was a shit one lol.

I agree but ive ran accutane cycle before and I still get spots every so often, and my skin is dry asf constantly. I dont like this idea that u think u can treat every side effect some people are just genetically cucked to shit like hair loss, acne etc. just running test and getting a bunch of androgenic sides and being reliant on it isnt for everyone.

Ostarine builds good quality muscle. Honestly I do think ofc test is better im not arguing with u about that, but as for sides what r the sides with ostarine? Just take enclo.

Meanwhile if I run test I'd prob need, massive dose of accutane to nuke my liver, a dht blocker, become infertile, shittier sleep ( i already sleep like shit as it is).

With ostarine your gaining probably 2-3lbs of muscle more monthly than without with basically no sides, and its very good for growing bone density. And also increasing vascularity and being lean asf on it and not looksminning.

 

[user1827]

nvm i lied yeah ur right the source i was looking at was a shit one lol.

I agree but ive ran accutane cycle before and I still get spots every so often, and my skin is dry asf constantly. I dont like this idea that u think u can treat every side effect some people are just genetically cucked to shit like hair loss, acne etc. just running test and getting a bunch of androgenic sides and being reliant on it isnt for everyone.

Ostarine builds good quality muscle. Honestly I do think ofc test is better im not arguing with u about that, but as for sides what r the sides with ostarine? Just take enclo.

Meanwhile if I run test I'd prob need, massive dose of accutane to nuke my liver, a dht blocker, become infertile, shittier sleep ( i already sleep like shit as it is).

With ostarine your gaining probably 2-3lbs of muscle more monthly than without with basically no sides, and its very good for growing bone density. And also increasing vascularity and being lean asf on it and not looksminning.

Hair loss will usually only be sped up, not induced. I don't know a ton about acne but plenty of people have managed. (Not a great argument)

Here's where I know most though, first off there is no "quality" to muscle gained, secondly it does not directly increase vascularity in any way, thirdly repeatedly stressing your testosterone production will only lower baseline production (not to mention all for minimal gains).

 

[FiendFiend]

Hair loss will usually only be sped up, not induced. I don't know a ton about acne but plenty of people have managed. (Not a great argument)

Here's where I know most though, first off there is no "quality" to muscle gained, secondly it does not directly increase vascularity in any way, thirdly repeatedly stressing your testosterone production will only lower baseline production (not to mention all for minimal gains).

lol the second claim is wild and disproven its even better for for vascularity than LGD-4033, and running ostarine myself I have went up in weight, not only got more leaner, but got way more vascular too.

Lol there is quality to muscle gained, are u tryna insinuate different PEDs dont just cause a bunch of water retention like dbol, or mk677, and a lot just make your gains go away super quick when ur off cycle? Yeah clearly there is quality to the muscle i dont wanna hear it lol. Some poor dog bloating himself on m677 like my friend did doesnt actually do shit for gaining lean muscle mass.

JFL at minimal gains? JFL newbie gains are like what 0.5lbs to 2lbs per month? What a total fucking joke, and how much of that is fluff weight? Your becoming fucking shredded, lean, with vascularity gaining 4lbs of lean muscle mass on average per month with ostarine. What do you get on test e? like 6-8lbs per month? I mean its valid but all the side effects and pandara box ur opening with having to get dut, and a bunch of shit for me isnt worth it.

Ostarine has helped me cuz of the hunger suppression made eating like a chore, so im just cramming down lean meat and protein yogurts down my face, i dont even crave pizza or any dog shit cuz of it.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7528560/&ved=2ahUKEwj-8Nji2v6QAxW3QkEAHffUNlIQFnoECB0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0_GQld5b7dBobObIhTD338

For third enclo exists. Im not arguing test isnt better for muscle building but am I really tryna have all the sides, run an extra accutane cycle? I dont know about that, it definitley isnt cost effective for me if lets say I do get everything I need to treat the sides, let alone the struggle sleeping which would prob be the worst side for me.

 

[user1827]

lol the second claim is wild and disproven its even better for for vascularity than LGD-4033, and running ostarine myself I have went up in weight, not only got more leaner, but got way more vascular too.

Lol there is quality to muscle gained, are u tryna insinuate different PEDs dont just cause a bunch of water retention like dbol, or mk677, and a lot just make your gains go away super quick when ur off cycle? Yeah clearly there is quality to the muscle i dont wanna hear it lol. Some poor dog bloating himself on m677 like my friend did doesnt actually do shit for gaining lean muscle mass.

JFL at minimal gains? JFL newbie gains are like what 0.5lbs to 2lbs per month? What a total fucking joke, and how much of that is fluff weight? Your becoming fucking shredded, lean, with vascularity gaining 4lbs of lean muscle mass on average per month with ostarine. What do you get on test e? like 6-8lbs per month? I mean its valid but all the side effects and pandara box ur opening with having to get dut, and a bunch of shit for me isnt worth it.

Ostarine has helped me cuz of the hunger suppression made eating like a chore, so im just cramming down lean meat and protein yogurts down my face, i dont even crave pizza or any dog shit cuz of it.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7528560/&ved=2ahUKEwj-8Nji2v6QAxW3QkEAHffUNlIQFnoECB0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0_GQld5b7dBobObIhTD338

For third enclo exists. Im not arguing test isnt better for muscle building but am I really tryna have all the sides, run an extra accutane cycle? I dont know about that, it definitley isnt cost effective for me if lets say I do get everything I need to treat the sides, let alone the struggle sleeping which would prob be the worst side for me.

1. Please tell me how ostarine helps with vascularity DIRECTLY. (it doesn't, you just got leaner)
2. No, there isn't a quality of muscle gain you just named compounds that give extra water retention?
3. Just because it gives more gains doesn't mean there not minimal relative to the health drawbacks.
4. No, it does not DIRECTLY increase hunger you just have more anabolic activity and especially not towards "healthier" foods rather than "junk" foods.
5. You sent a random invalid link?
6. Cost effective should be least of concerns when running PEDs.

 

[FiendFiend]

1. Please tell me how ostarine helps with vascularity DIRECTLY. (it doesn't, you just got leaner)
2. No, there isn't a quality of muscle gain you just named compounds that give extra water retention?
3. Just because it gives more gains doesn't mean there not minimal relative to the health drawbacks.
4. No, it does not DIRECTLY increase hunger you just have more anabolic activity and especially not towards "healthier" foods rather than "junk" foods.
5. You sent a random invalid link?
6. Cost effective should be least of concerns when running PEDs.

1. I mean u clearly didnt read what I sent because its a study showing how ostarine increases capillary density which is literally what vascularity is nigga but i guess?
2. That is exactly what quality weight is, no water, not just u putting on fluff weight
3. The health drawbacks are fuck all on ostarine, your only nuking ur liver a bit because its an oral SARM, nigga I would nuke my liver more if I hop on accutane for test e. Nigga I would be doing my liver a bigger disservice running test e, and taking the other 1000 things required to treat the sides.
4. On that part I dont know, im not basing this off some study, im just saying me personally as someone whos been super inconsistent with diet, I am able to get down 150g+ protein daily, with minimal fat intake, and way lower carbs then i used to eat before.
5. mb link is fucked up

Ostarine and Ligandrol Improve Muscle Tissue in an Ovariectomized Rat Model - PMC

In postmenopausal women, hormonal decline changes muscle function and structure. The non-steroidal selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) Ostarine (OS) and Ligandrol (LG) have been shown to increase muscle mass and physical function while ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

here it is

6. JFL its cost effective, health effective, and test is a lifelong commitment im not sure im willing to make quite yet at 18. Im not downplaying it, for some people obviously running test e is better. Its just my personal choice. Your just acting like Test E is the bread and butter like retards on steroid forums swear by 500 test as a base. That isnt obviously accurate i watched enough derek more plate more date to know this shit is not true

 

[user1827]

1. I mean u clearly didnt read what I sent because its a study showing how ostarine increases capillary density which is literally what vascularity is nigga but i guess?
2. That is exactly what quality weight is, no water, not just u putting on fluff weight
3. The health drawbacks are fuck all on ostarine, your only nuking ur liver a bit because its an oral SARM, nigga I would nuke my liver more if I hop on accutane for test e. Nigga I would be doing my liver a bigger disservice running test e, and taking the other 1000 things required to treat the sides.
4. On that part I dont know, im not basing this off some study, im just saying me personally as someone whos been super inconsistent with diet, I am able to get down 150g+ protein daily, with minimal fat intake, and way lower carbs then i used to eat before.
5. mb link is fucked up

Ostarine and Ligandrol Improve Muscle Tissue in an Ovariectomized Rat Model - PMC

In postmenopausal women, hormonal decline changes muscle function and structure. The non-steroidal selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) Ostarine (OS) and Ligandrol (LG) have been shown to increase muscle mass and physical function while ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

here it is

6. JFL its cost effective, health effective, and test is a lifelong commitment im not sure im willing to make quite yet at 18. Im not downplaying it, for some people obviously running test e is better. Its just my personal choice. Your just acting like Test E is the bread and butter like retards on steroid forums swear by 500 test as a base. That isnt obviously accurate i watched enough derek more plate more date to know this shit is not true

Fuck, here we go again with this retard.

1. You did not send a link for ostarine increasing capillary density and there is simply nothing to suggest it directly does. (There is one flawed ovariectomized rat study that MIGHT suggest it) Still increased capillary density does not instantly mean more visible vascularity.
2. That's "quality" weight not muscle.
3. The health drawbacks from ostarine are not typically within the liver but more commonly lipid and suppression. (As I said constantly suppressing natural testosterone will have negative effects on baseline production)
4. Idgaf about your single experience.
5. Holy shit it's the fucking ovariectomized rat study. (Not credible at all)
6. It is not health effective and costs should come last. Not sure what your rambling on about 500 test for, no one mentioned that and no that's not good either.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

An entire thread of rambling morons. Holy shit.

 

[FiendFiend]

Fuck, here we go again with this retard.

1. You did not send a link for ostarine increasing capillary density and there is simply nothing to suggest it directly does. (There is one flawed ovariectomized rat study that MIGHT suggest it) Still increased capillary density does not instantly mean more visible vascularity.
2. That's "quality" weight not muscle.
3. The health drawbacks from ostarine are not typically within the liver but more commonly lipid and suppression. (As I said constantly suppressing natural testosterone will have negative effects on baseline production)
4. Idgaf about your single experience.
5. Holy shit it's the fucking ovariectomized rat study. (Not credible at all)
6. It is not health effective and costs should come last. Not sure what your rambling on about 500 test for, no one mentioned that and no that's not good either.

1. Ok sure lets say it doesnt increase vascularity which I say it does, and people based off personal experience says it does, it is good for me so who are u to shit on it lol. I was like a 17% bf 120lbs faggot and im gaining weight and getting shredded on it.
2. Yep true, but honesty how much PEDs are just water retention, even test has a shit ton of water retention? MK677, growth hormones, dbol, so much PEDs on the market r just water retention cope, so yes I think a PED that isnt giving u water retention actively is "good quality muscle" thats what i define it as.
3. Enclo exists so dnr, this is like the same petty shit like me bitching about your test e usage and me saying ur just stopping baseline production of your test completely, but nvm jfl ur so retarded and want to run test when ur 60.
4. Ok lol? Then why are we arguing? Im not arguing that ostarine mogs test e, im arguing it is better for me and your fucking throwing a fit saying muhhh inject test yeah bro just make a lifeline commitment to test brahhh
5. Jfl your not wrong ostarine studies arent good what so ever , a lot of the studies are taking like 2mg daily like actual meme studies atp.
6. JFL at health effective? NIGGA your running test for your entire fucking life. JFL test has 10000 different side effects, and God knows what side effects ur getting from dut, accutane, and everything else your going to have to run at a high dosage on a long term time scale.

Some fucking faggot running test should be the last person talking about "health". JFLLLL fucking test and health man must be having a joke. JFL so if ur not doing 500 test what r u doing? Im just curious what are u running 200 test? Like jfl bro is this a meme? So all your doing is spiking your test for the first couple months and just basically returning to your otherwise normal test levels but being reliant on test e ur whole life?

Nice bro so your telling me you just replaced normal test u produce and replaced it with a synthetic version

I dont get why your even on my ass Im just saying I dont want massive androgenic side effects, take like 5 other fucking things to treat the side effects and make a life long commitment to test and have to take other drugs to just have a chance of being fertile again.

AGAIN your talking about health. JFLL it isnt health effective for me at all nigga, how the fuck is taking dut, prob super high dosage of accutane, becoming reliant on test e for rest of my life at all healthy. You know your in for talking to a brick wall when some retard wants to come in here acting like a fucking scientist and lecture others. Too much niggas want to be androgenic or clav I know like a good 50 users like u.

 

[FiendFiend]

An entire thread of rambling morons. Holy shit.

I havent made any crazy claims I just said : I like SARMs more personally cuz I get least androgenic side effects and it helps me be lean, but also put on more muscle mass than I would naturally.

Is that a crazy or moron claim? JFL

 

[user1827]

1. Ok sure lets say it doesnt increase vascularity which I say it does, and people based off personal experience says it does, it is good for me so who are u to shit on it lol. I was like a 17% bf 120lbs faggot and im gaining weight and getting shredded on it.
2. Yep true, but honesty how much PEDs are just water retention, even test has a shit ton of water retention? MK677, growth hormones, dbol, so much PEDs on the market r just water retention cope, so yes I think a PED that isnt giving u water retention actively is "good quality muscle" thats what i define it as.
3. Enclo exists so dnr, this is like the same petty shit like me bitching about your test e usage and me saying ur just stopping baseline production of your test completely, but nvm jfl ur so retarded and want to run test when ur 60.
4. Ok lol? Then why are we arguing? Im not arguing that ostarine mogs test e, im arguing it is better for me and your fucking throwing a fit saying muhhh inject test yeah bro just make a lifeline commitment to test brahhh
5. Jfl your not wrong ostarine studies arent good what so ever , a lot of the studies are taking like 2mg daily like actual meme studies atp.
6. JFL at health effective? NIGGA your running test for your entire fucking life. JFL test has 10000 different side effects, and God knows what side effects ur getting from dut, accutane, and everything else your going to have to run at a high dosage on a long term time scale.

Some fucking faggot running test should be the last person talking about "health". JFLLLL fucking test and health man must be having a joke. JFL so if ur not doing 500 test what r u doing? Im just curious what are u running 200 test? Like jfl bro is this a meme? So all your doing is spiking your test for the first couple months and just basically returning to your otherwise normal test levels but being reliant on test e ur whole life?

Nice bro so your telling me you just replaced normal test u produce and replaced it with a synthetic version

I dont get why your even on my ass Im just saying I dont want massive androgenic side effects, take like 5 other fucking things to treat the side effects and make a life long commitment to test and have to take other drugs to just have a chance of being fertile again.

AGAIN your talking about health. JFLL it isnt health effective for me at all nigga, how the fuck is taking dut, prob super high dosage of accutane, becoming reliant on test e for rest of my life at all healthy. You know your in for talking to a brick wall when some retard wants to come in here acting like a fucking scientist and lecture others. Too much niggas want to be androgenic or clav I know like a good 50 users like u.

Not sure why I'm even responding when you lack so much knowledge on the topic to even make an argument.

1. No shit it will give you some gains, that's not the argument.
2. Intracellular water retention is good for muscle growth and all of it goes away off cycle, it has nothing to do with the muscle.
3. How many times do you think you can restart production with enclo? Retard argument.
4. Because ostarine is the worst SARM choice if you're going to run any, it's lipid, liver, and suppression to muscle ratio is horrible.
5. Sure?
6. Almost all of testosterones side effects are manageable and the health effects come from running endogenous amounts, not from pinning it.
7. You don't even know anything about a proper cycle just because I said 500 test is shit doesn't mean I'm saying to run 200 test, you don't run test alone if it's not your first cycle, you use test with other compounds and usually when using 500 test alongside other compounds you simply don't have enough androgen receptors to justify that much test.
8. No one said to macrodose accutane, there can be a number of different reasons for your acne and a number of different treatments.
9. Clavicular is a retard when it comes to gear.

I havent made any crazy claims I just said : I like SARMs more personally cuz I get least androgenic side effects and it helps me be lean, but also put on more muscle mass than I would naturally.

Is that a crazy or moron claim? JFL

Yes, you cannot restart your natural test production an infinite amount of times achieving the same baseline levels. Your most notable show of retardness comes from the SARM you pick as well.