Orbital changes after small amount of fme expansion(less than 3.5mm)symmetrical result.

[moze]

 

[Snicket]

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How do you know left right expansion is just referring to the orbits and not the dentoalveolar structure?

 

[moze]

How do you know left right expansion is just referring to the orbits and not the dentoalveolar structure?

Check whats written “left and right cheekbone” cheekbone is connected to orbits

 

[Snicket]

Check whats written “left and right cheekbone” cheekbone is connected to orbits

Wouldn't that be the "zygomatic width" section of the table?

 

[moze]

Wouldn't that be the "zygomatic width" section of the table?

Yes

 

[Snicket]

Yes

But you circled the left, right expansion row. I'm just asking what does left, right expansion actually refer to then if zygoma has its own row as well. I'm not trying to catch you out.

Can we readily assume that expansion is uniform across the entire maxilla? That doesn't sound right.

 

[moze]

How do you know left right expansion is just referring to the orbits and not the dentoalveolar structure?

But you circled the left, right expansion row. I'm just asking what does left, right expansion actually refer to then if zygoma has its own row as well. I'm not trying to catch you out.

Can we readily assume that expansion is uniform across the entire maxilla? That doesn't sound right.

Fme is directly attached to the palate without teeth anchorage so dentalveolar expansion is unlikely

 

[Snicket]

Fme is directly attached to the palate without teeth anchorage so dentalveolar expansion is unlikely

I don't understand. You can see that the mouth area widens. Isn't FME meant to expand the upper jaw primarily?

 

[moze]

I don't understand. You can see that the mouth area widens. Isn't FME meant to expand the upper jaw primarily?

Yea i meant there is not dental expansion only in the bone sry i got confused and answering your question yea when asymmetry occurs it starts from the mouth itself.assymmetry doesnt occur only in the zygoma

 

[moze]

 

[Snicket]

Yea i meant there is not dental expansion only in the bone sry i got confused and answering your question yea when asymmetry occurs it starts from the mouth itself.assymmetry doesnt occur only in the zygoma

Why wouldn't there be asymmetry in the zygoma if there is in the palate?
That doesn't naturally follow to me.
I mean you're splitting the skull with an expander. It's not exactly a precise surgical procedure.

 

[moze]

Why wouldn't there be asymmetry in the zygoma if there is in the palate?
That doesn't naturally follow to me.
I mean you're splitting the skull with an expander. It's not exactly a precise surgical procedure.

I said that asymmetry in zygoma happens when there is asymmetry in palate in this case there is no asymmetry.if you consider 0.2mm difference as asymmetric then dont do any surgery

 

[Snicket]

I said that asymmetry in zygoma happens when there is asymmetry in palate in this case there is no asymmetry.if you consider 0.2mm difference as asymmetric then dont do any surgery

You missed my original point.

What structure is leftward and rightward expansion referring to? I’d assume the upper jaw since that’s what FME is principally about.

I.e We don’t know how much asymmetry in the zygoma there is.

 

[moze]

You missed my original point.

What structure is leftward and rightward expansion referring to? I’d assume the upper jaw since that’s what FME is principally about.

I.e We don’t know how much asymmetry in the zygoma there is.

Oh my fuckin god.i said that there is no asymmetry in the upperjaw.in normal cases when asymmetry occurs in mse or custom marpe asymmetry starts from the upoerjaw all the way to the cheekbone and other area.in fme as there is no asymmetry in upperjaw(0.2mm) it is unlikely that asymmetry will occur at the zygoma

 

[Snicket]

Oh my fuckin god.i said that there is no asymmetry in the upperjaw.

There is according to your own table

it is unlikely that asymmetry will occur at the zygoma

We don't know that. Especially as the zygoma expansion is registered as greater than rightward and leftward upper jaw expansion. Saying that doesn't make it true.

 

[moze]

There is according to your own table

We don't know that. Especially as the zygoma expansion is registered as greater than rightward and leftward upper jaw expansion. Saying that doesn't make it true.

If you think 0.2mm of asymmetry is big deal then you are autistic

 

[moze]

There is according to your own table

We don't know that. Especially as the zygoma expansion is registered as greater than rightward and leftward upper jaw expansion. Saying that doesn't make it true.

Difference in zygomatic width is 2.1mm that is both sides combined

 

[Snicket]

If you think 0.2mm of asymmetry is big deal then you are autistic

How many times do i have to make the same point for it to completely fly over your head?

 

[Snicket]

Difference in zygomatic width is 2.1mm that is both sides combined

Exactly, so we don't know if there is asymmetry because it's an aggregate figure. I'm not commenting anymore.
I think you have your heart in the right place but the mind isn't there unfortunately.

 

[moze]

Exactly, so we don't know if there is asymmetry because it's an aggregate figure. I'm not commenting anymore.
I think you have your heart in the right place but the mind isn't there unfortunately.

Ok if they calculate the change in zygomatic width both left and right side the problem is solved right?

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Small change, i am curious to see on cases that have narrower upper palate and more asymmetry.

 

[Manfrommars]

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Theres no way this is noticeable enough irl to be even worth it

 

[moze]

Theres no way this is noticeable enough irl to be even worth it

This expansion is 3mm.normally people would do 8mm expansion

 

[moze]

Small change, i am curious to see on cases that have narrower upper palate and more asymmetry.

They tilt the appliance in such a way that it reduces asymmetry

 

[moze]

Increase in pfl?