Ottoman General Staff vs German General Staff of World War 1

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Germans
1. Erich von Falkenhayn
2. Paul von Hindenburg
3. Wilhelm Groener
4. Hans von Seeckt

(second row)
1. Erich Ludendorff
2. Wilhelm Heye
3. Helmuth von Moltke
4. Herman von Stein

(third row)
1. Konstantin Schmidt von Knobelsdorf
2. Wilhelm, German Crown Prince of Prussia
3. Admiral Souchon
4. Liman von Sanders

Ottomans
1. Ismail Enver
2. Ahmed Izzet
3. Süleyman Şefik
4. Ahmed Djemal

(second row)
1. Mehmet Esat Bülkat
2. İsmail Cevat Çobanlı
3. Ömer Fahrettin Türkkan
4. Cafer Tayyar

(third row)
1. Nureddin İbrahim Konyar
2. Şehzade Osman Fuad Efendi
3. Mustafa Kemal
4. Halil Kut

Both of these groups where allies during ww1. These are not all of general staff of each country but are probably the most known.
In my objective opinion the Turkish general staff had more experience at the start of the war, only because they fought before dure the balkans and in Libya. The only war experience germans had at that time was the franco prussian war in 1877.

Most of the Ottoman and German high command where conservative revolutionaries, the Germans in exception to the Ottomans and other countries where also Social darwinists. It was not difficult for them to later become national socialists and start a war all over again.

The youngturk revolution in 1908 ousted most of the old reactionary garde in the high command. The youngturks themselves where a big tent pollitical party with many factions, one of these where the conservative revolutionaries who where pro German. Within a few years after this revolution a coup happened in 1913 and the state became effectivly a millitary dictatorship. The conservative revolutionaries that now holded the power followed a pan-Islamic pan turkist ideological line. Through Iran they wanted to reach india and from there to central asia to expel occupying forces from these lands.

*Germany became a millitary dictatorship in 1917.

 

[Deleted member 10913]

bump 2x

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Nah
You are abusing
Germans almost won in a 1v3 while Ottomans kept losing against the british alone (apart at Gallipoli)

 

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[Deleted member 10913]

Nah
You are abusing
Germans almost won in a 1v3 while Ottomans kept losing against the british alone (apart at Gallipoli)

Yes, Gallipoli was however their most advanced strategy against the old empire. Ottoman however won also in Iraq during the kut campaing and the carpaithian front where turks also fought.

The plan in gallipoli was to knock us out fast and supply russia. This didn't happen russia basicly starved. after the revolution we gained Azerbeycan and other lands in caucasus.

The state of the empire was most intact until the battle in armegeddon was lost.

 

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[Deleted member 10987]

Yes, Gallipoli was however their most advanced strategy against the old empire. Ottoman however won also in Iraq during the kut campaing and the carpaithian front where turks also fought.

The plan in gallipoli was to knock us out fast and supply russia. This didn't happen russia basicly starved. after the revolution we gained Azerbeycan and other lands in caucasus.

The state of the empire was most intact until the battle in armegeddon was lost.
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>battle in armageddon

???

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Bro don't bring up this akhraturk in anything ngl

 

[Deleted member 10913]

>battle in armageddon

???

The ancient fortress of Megiddo stands on Tell el-Mutesellim (Tel Megiddo), at the mouth of the Musmus Pass near al-Lajjun, controlling the routes to the north and the interior by dominating the Plain of Armageddon or of Megiddo

ironic place to lose a war that costed Islamic world their empire, how everything happens at according fate..

 

[Deleted member 10913]

Bro don't bring up this akhraturk in anything ngl

he was part in the war, he surely disbelieved later in his life and paved the way for turkey to become like it is right now.

in one point of his life he probably was a Muslim...

 

[Michael Myers]

he was part in the war, he surely disbelieved later in his life and paved the way for turkey to become like it is right now.
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in one point of his life he probably was a Muslim...

never muslim but definitely islamic maybe

 

[Deleted member 10913]

never muslim but definitely islamic maybe

We will never know. It is true that you just don't disbelieve most cases people adopt the religion of their local comunities and decide to stay or not once they hit puberty.

 

[Deleted member 6191]

Ataturk is bad guy!

 

[Michael Myers]

We will never know. It is true that you just don't disbelieve most cases people adopt the religion of their local comunities and decide to stay or not once they hit puberty.

either way i can only see secular turks being his fans, not islamic turks. tbh.

 

[Soalian]

Someone tells me what it is I'm looking at here

 

[Michael Myers]

Someone tells me what is I'm looking at here

some dead cumskins and some dead turkroaches, nothing important

 

[Deleted member 10913]

Someone tells me what is I'm looking at here

why not ask me? i made this.

 

[Deleted member 10913]

some dead cumskins and some dead turkroaches, nothing important

except mustafa kemal most of them are martyrs
*from the Turks

 

[Michael Myers]

except mustafa kemal most of them are martyrs

it was a shitpost bhai

 

[Soalian]

why not ask me? i made this.

Why isn't Mehmut Ozil on the lineup for today's game? Is he injured, or...?

 

[Deleted member 10913]

Why isn't Mehmut Ozil on the lineup for today's game? Is he injured, or...?

he joined england, now he is back in his motherland

 

[Deleted member 10987]

he was part in the war, he surely disbelieved later in his life and paved the way for turkey to become like it is right now.
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in one point of his life he probably was a Muslim...

Even if i hate him
I must admire that he fought for his country and backed off the invaders of his country (and he looked chad ngl)

 

[Deleted member 10913]

Even if i hate him
I must admire that he fought for his country and backed off the invaders of his country (and he looked chad ngl)

it's true that he is good looking. the thing with country is that it is quite subjective....

His place of birth is Selanik that lies in northern greece. during the indepence war there where hundreds of liberation movements. More then 50% of these where from a religious standpoint. The asignment to lead these movements was given by the last Ottoman sultan. he did not do this on his own initatieve.

So when he was leading these various movements mustafa kemal reprented himself as a muslim, a very pious muslim. Once the war was over he reversed himsef because he converted to atheism or was always like this.

Central anatolia was saved by Kazim karabekir, mustafa kemal fought for western anatolia, namely the places that where in direct greek occupation.

After the war he led 100000s of balkanic people in anatolia, for these where his ''people'' the problem started when these people where given the turkish identity for free. their grandchildren are the so called ''white'' turks and they hold the movie industrie, these are the left secular part of our population right now.

 

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Germans
1. Erich von Falkenhayn
2. Paul von Hindenburg
3. Wilhelm Groener
4. Hans von Seeckt

(second row)
1. Erich Ludendorff
2. Wilhelm Heye
3. Helmuth von Moltke
4. Herman von Stein

(third row)
1. Konstantin Schmidt von Knobelsdorf
2. Wilhelm, German Crown Prince of Prussia
3. Admiral Souchon
4. Liman von Sanders

Ottomans
1. Ismail Enver
2. Ahmed Izzet
3. Süleyman Şefik
4. Ahmed Djemal

(second row)
1. Mehmet Esat Bülkat
2. İsmail Cevat Çobanlı
3. Ömer Fahrettin Türkkan
4. Cafer Tayyar

(third row)
1. Nureddin İbrahim Konyar
2. Şehzade Osman Fuad Efendi
3. Mustafa Kemal
4. Halil Kut

Both of these groups where allies during ww1. These are not all of general staff of each country but are probably the most known.
In my objective opinion the Turkish general staff had more experience at the start of the war, only because they fought before dure the balkans and in Libya. The only war experience germans had at that time was the franco prussian war in 1877.

Most of the Ottoman and German high command where conservative revolutionaries, the Germans in exception to the Ottomans and other countries where also Social darwinists. It was not difficult for them to later become national socialists and start a war all over again.

The youngturk revolution in 1908 ousted most of the old reactionary garde in the high command. The youngturks themselves where a big tent pollitical party with many factions, one of these where the conservative revolutionaries who where pro German. Within a few years after this revolution a coup happened in 1913 and the state became effectivly a millitary dictatorship. The conservative revolutionaries that now holded the power followed a pan-Islamic pan turkist ideological line. Through Iran they wanted to reach india and from there to central asia to expel occupying forces from these lands.

*Germany became a millitary dictatorship in 1917.

Hindenburg gigachad 1.98 height

 

[Deleted member 12344]

why not ask me? i made this.

No i made this