Pag reddit botching, sounds fake almost

[lurking truecel]

Weird as hell

 

[HerpDerpson]

No photos, no care.

 

[lurking truecel]

No photos, no care.

Yea sounds weird, infras popping out of the face sounds almost like its the reason you get implants lol

 

[yussimania]

concering as hell with all these weird BSSO cuts he does

 

[lurking truecel]

concering as hell with all these weird BSSO cuts he does

Hmm yea

 

[AustrianMogger]

If real why didnt she ask for a bone graft before doing the surgery ?

 

[LEFORT17]

If real why didnt she ask for a bone graft before doing the surgery ?

sollte er wohl selbst wissen, ob es nötig ist

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

If real why didnt she ask for a bone graft before doing the surgery ?

He said he wasn’t an autist about jaw surgery back then

 

[nishka]

bone graft where exactly?

He said he wasn’t an autist about jaw surgery back then

He said he wasn’t an autist about jaw surgery back then

also can

Weird as hell

can so much really go wrong? sounds like a random person could have done better surgery lmao

 

[LEFORT17]

bone graft where exactly?

also can

can so much really go wrong? sounds like a random person could have done better surgery lmao

between the spaces where the cuts are performed. imagine doing 10 degree downgraft + segmental lefort with 7-10mm widening without bone graft. gl on that recovery

 

[lurking truecel]

between the spaces where the cuts are performed. imagine doing 10 degree downgraft + segmental lefort with 7-10mm widening without bone graft. gl on that recovery

Yea both ram and pag arent the best at bone grafting

 

[lurking truecel]

He said he wasn’t an autist about jaw surgery back then

So it was a dude ?

 

[Truemaxxer]

Nothing new

Pagnoni is a botcher in mist cases

 

[Nahorscend]

The bsso cut is the most interesting thing, especially since there was a different reddit post with the same complaint about pag. I mean if that's true you can't write it off as 'every surgeon has botches' right, it's like a fundamental mistake, error in theory not in execution.

 

[lurking truecel]

The bsso cut is the most interesting thing, especially since there was a different reddit post with the same complaint about pag. I mean if that's true you can't write it off as 'every surgeon has botches' right, it's like a fundamental mistake, error in theory not in execution.

Yea i mean pag has litteraly 10+ blatant botches at this point. Going to him is russian roulette at this point

 

[lurking truecel]

Nothing new

Pagnoni is a botcher in mist cases

Yea pag is 100% botcher at this point, he might have some skill on something. But he is a risk to go too 100%, i dont think he is horrible but going to him would be stupid

 

[Nahorscend]

Yea pag is 100% botcher at this point, he might have some skill on something. But he is a risk to go too 100%, i dont think he is horrible but going to him would be stupid

i wonder why nobody talks about american jaw surgeons here, maybe its because most org posters are from eu. there must be many americans who are better, maybe its the best country overall too, for bimax.

 

[yussimania]

i wonder why nobody talks about american jaw surgeons here, maybe its because most org posters are from eu. there must be many americans who are better, maybe its the best country overall too, for bimax.

too expensive accom, travel and surgery + hospital fees - if money wasn't an issue and I lived in the USA i wouldn't bother with Ramieri and Zarrinbal

 

[lurking truecel]

i wonder why nobody talks about american jaw surgeons here, maybe its because most org posters are from eu. there must be many americans who are better, maybe its the best country overall too, for bimax.

60k+ in prices, its not a option for most people outside of us

 

[lurking truecel]

too expensive accom, travel and surgery + hospital fees - if money wasn't an issue and I lived in the USA i wouldn't bother with Ramieri and Zarrinbal

But usa surgeons have extreme botches too lol, gunson have mutliple law suits, lacoms have botches. Bell have left surgery tools inside of patients. And he is 100k lol. Jaw surgery is just a hard surgery to get right

 

[BM7]

The fistula would not open in the middle of the palate. It would exit through the suture line or the nasal cavity. In addition, an infection is necessary for it to become a fistula. There are many inaccuracies in this case report.

 

[yussimania]

But usa surgeons have extreme botches too lol, gunson have mutliple law suits, lacoms have botches. Bell have left surgery tools inside of patients. And he is 100k lol. Jaw surgery is just a hard surgery to get right

true you could do all the planning on your side, learn realistic movements to tailor to your plan but at the end of the day it's on the surgeon whether he fucks it up in the OR.

it is also quite hard to find a good surgeon nowadays who can do great movements combined with soft tissue manipulation without a real risk of botching you but hey thats the risk you gotta take it ain't the easy fix some people think it is.

Just go to Giant and get chadification surgery

 

[tweaqo]

If real why didnt she ask for a bone graft before doing the surgery ?

Because many patients trust their doctor too much. However this is still pagnonis fault

 

[BM7]

Brazilians dentists bucomaxilo surgeons are the best for bimax. But you guys wont believe in me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[yussimania]

Brazilians dentists bucomaxilo surgeons are the best for bimax. But you guys wont believe in me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Never really looked into them tbh how much do they charge price range estimate?

Also what surgeons would you say are good im seeing a bunch of names here on reddit

 

[AustrianMogger]

Because many patients trust their doctor too much. However this is still pagnonis fault

this is clearly a larp. no way pagnoni pulled a sunil richardson on them.

 

[BM7]

Never really looked into them tbh how much do they charge price range estimate?

Also what surgeons would you say are good im seeing a bunch of names here on reddit

They are cheap cuz 5,5 Real = 1 dollar.
They are extremely efficient because orthognathic surgery can only be performed by dentists who are highly specialized in oral and maxillofacial trauma. Therefore, everything is planned with occlusion and TMJ positioning in mind. In addition, they are the professionals most knowledgeable about the veins, arteries, innervation, and overall anatomy of the face.

 

[yussimania]

They are cheap cuz 5,5 Real = 1 dollar.
They are extremely efficient because orthognathic surgery can only be performed by dentists who are highly specialized in oral and maxillofacial trauma. Therefore, everything is planned with occlusion and TMJ positioning in mind. In addition, they are the professionals most knowledgeable about the veins, arteries, innervation, and overall anatomy of the face.

good results

but you do realise OMFS nearly everywhere except for a small handful of countries require dual degrees of Medicine and Dentistry? Brazil wouldn't be any different.

 

[abdullah23k]

Weird as hell

I know it's a normal thing since everyone has a different experience
But this server is so split in the middle about paigoni

 

[abdullah23k]

I know it's a normal thing since everyone has a different experience
But this server is so split

I was reading some posts glazing him like he was a god gift

 

[nishka]

Guys, what are your thoughts on turkey? Please let me know before I get bodged and rope

 

[LEFORT17]

Brazilians dentists bucomaxilo surgeons are the best for bimax. But you guys wont believe in me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i have 3 on my list from brazil. they are indeed pretty good and affordable

 

[whiteissuperior]

i wonder why nobody talks about american jaw surgeons here, maybe its because most org posters are from eu. there must be many americans who are better, maybe its the best country overall too, for bimax.

99% of americans arent going to do implants as well, theyre more expensive, and giant working wiht pags made him .org famous. Only American surgeon ive found who also will do implants and can sometimes take insurance is Steinbacher. and even he has had some concerning botches. most want implants with their bimax. cuz in most cases, all bimax alone will do is make u mtn.

 

[whiteissuperior]

Brazilians dentists bucomaxilo surgeons are the best for bimax. But you guys wont believe in me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ive heard a lot of good thigns about Bim - im going to try to get surgery with him.

I hear Pary is a butcher tho.

 

[tweaqo]

this is clearly a larp. no way pagnoni pulled a sunil richardson on them.

I’ve seen the scans of some of his patients. They’re bad

 

[LEFORT17]

ive heard a lot of good thigns about Bim - im going to try to get surgery with him.

I hear Pary is a butcher tho.

bims good. he does big rotations, implants and is about 6k dollars for bimax

 

[whiteissuperior]

bims good. he does big rotations, implants and is about 6k dollars for bimax

i consulted with him. he quoted 18k for trimax, infras, angles, and paranasal bone putty. i might skip the angles but everything else sounds amazing. I wonder if he does fat grafts for the infras, because the advise ive generally seen for ppl wanting infras is go conservative and fill the rest with fat grafts. He also had way better bedside manner than the other PSL Surgeons

 

[bossman]

i consulted with him. he quoted 18k for trimax, infras, angles, and paranasal bone putty. i might skip the angles but everything else sounds amazing. I wonder if he does fat grafts for the infras, because the advise ive generally seen for ppl wanting infras is go conservative and fill the rest with fat grafts. He also had way better bedside manner than the other PSL Surgeons

He's a really good jaw surgeon and you'll get a good result but he seems like quite a newbie when it comes to implants. Jaw implants are very easy to fuck up so make sure you're certain he knows what he's doing.

Infras are also a very hard one. It's still an open question whether an intraoral incision (most likely what a maxfac will use) fucks up your soft tissue compared to a transconjunctival incision (preferred by Eppley and done by oculoplastic surgeons). There is no solid answer on this as most data about intraoral placement of infra implants come from Giant cases with Pags or Turkish surgeons who are butchers.

 

[whiteissuperior]

He's a really good jaw surgeon and you'll get a good result but he seems like quite a newbie when it comes to implants. Jaw implants are very easy to fuck up so make sure you're certain he knows what he's doing.

Infras are also a very hard one. It's still an open question whether an intraoral incision (most likely what a maxfac will use) fucks up your soft tissue compared to a transconjunctival incision (preferred by Eppley and done by oculoplastic surgeons). There is no solid answer on this as most data about intraoral placement of infra implants come from Giant cases with Pags or Turkish surgeons who are butchers.

nah that makes a lot of sense, and ive been told this as well. i likely would only get infras with him. ive seen one case of infras with him and it went fine

 

[LEFORT17]

i consulted with him. he quoted 18k for trimax, infras, angles, and paranasal bone putty. i might skip the angles but everything else sounds amazing. I wonder if he does fat grafts for the infras, because the advise ive generally seen for ppl wanting infras is go conservative and fill the rest with fat grafts. He also had way better bedside manner than the other PSL Surgeons

yeah id only go for bimax with him tho

 

[LEFORT17]

i consulted with him. he quoted 18k for trimax, infras, angles, and paranasal bone putty. i might skip the angles but everything else sounds amazing. I wonder if he does fat grafts for the infras, because the advise ive generally seen for ppl wanting infras is go conservative and fill the rest with fat grafts. He also had way better bedside manner than the other PSL Surgeons

How much did he quote for bimax only?

 

[whiteissuperior]

How much did he quote for bimax only?

i forget - def under 10k usd

 

[LEFORT17]

i forget - def under 10k usd

Yeah i was just making sure he wont over charge you. Go for him, hes skilled and def less expensive for what you get since hes one of the newer maxfacs

 

[tweaqo]

i have 3 on my list from brazil. they are indeed pretty good and affordable

Could you private message me names bro, thanks

 

[jester]

Weird as hell

bro just wondering not even trying to hate is this all you do like looking at botches and results etc