Pagnoni vs Ramieri for Trimax?

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Both ram and pag is overated. There are many better or equal bimax surgeons. You litteraly pay extra because other people on the forum went to them. And yea pag is kinda off the chart now. His prices are ridiculous
Who are the better or equal ones?
 
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Botch this botch that. The reason ramieri doesnt botch is because he doesnt do big movements. Small and simple movements have a lower risk of things going wrong. It’s that simple.

Exactly. But I’ve had experiences with both and Ranieri is more accommodating
 
Based on my research online, Dr Pagnoni and Dr Ramieri are the best for blackpilled upper/lower jaw procedures.

What are your thoughts on these two? The main things I need corrected is slightly recessed maxilla with downward growth, and I need more forward growth, trimax + CCW (impaction of the maxlla) is what I will most likely need.
heard pagnoni botched a bimax quite recently in rome but idk might just be rumours
 
Both ram and pag is overated. There are many better or equal bimax surgeons. You litteraly pay extra because other people on the forum went to them. And yea pag is kinda off the chart now. His prices are ridiculous
talk about the OTHER surgeons, I pretend do do trimax soon
 
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