PAGNONI VS RAMIERI IN THE BIG 2026

[DonaldJTrump]

who mogs and why? specifically for genioplasty (but we can talk about them as a surgeon in general, how they do with bimax, implants, etc), i am saving up for a revision genioplasty right now.

both are about the same price, wont say the exact number but they are both quite affordable.

my personal opinion:
i know the majority might say ramieri because he has a kinda better rep but he is so bluepilled and i personally always preferred pagnoni based off my own personal experiences and from what i've heard. pagnoni also responds much faster and seems to be more caring. pagnoni might've made mistakes before but so has ramieri. pagnoni also takes more risks in a good way and is more of an artist, you can only ascend with ramieri by taking a pagnoni plan and bringing it to ramieri.

react JFL for ramieri, react with a thumbs up for pagnoni, please leave your reasoning below and ill rep you no matter what you say

Tags: @lurking truecel @yussimania @Gaia262 @Firstname.Lastname @kilgrave

 

[yussimania]

Ramieri sucks at genio proof is his results

So much for "Tetris genio"

 

[DonaldJTrump]

Ramieri sucks at genio proof is his results

So much for "Tetris genio"

so u think i should go to pags instead? pags is charging me less than ram btw lol

 

[DonaldJTrump]

@yussimania why jfl

 

[yussimania]

@yussimania why jfl

I read it wrong I meant pagnoni

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

How can I acquire knowledge about them except on .org. Instagram hardmaxx results?

 

[lurking truecel]

I wouldnt even consider pag anymore because he seems to high risk. For genio he is decent though. Ram is good for bimax

 

[kilgrave]

who mogs and why? specifically for genioplasty (but we can talk about them as a surgeon in general, how they do with bimax, implants, etc), i am saving up for a revision genioplasty right now.

both are about the same price, wont say the exact number but they are both quite affordable.

my personal opinion:
i know the majority might say ramieri because he has a kinda better rep but he is so bluepilled and i personally always preferred pagnoni based off my own personal experiences and from what i've heard. pagnoni also responds much faster and seems to be more caring. pagnoni might've made mistakes before but so has ramieri. pagnoni also takes more risks in a good way and is more of an artist, you can only ascend with ramieri by taking a pagnoni plan and bringing it to ramieri.

react JFL for ramieri, react with a thumbs up for pagnoni, please leave your reasoning below and ill rep you no matter what you say

Tags: @lurking truecel @yussimania @Gaia262 @Firstname.Lastname @kilgrave

Can only speak to my case, but Ramieri wanted to remove teeth. Since I had just gone through years of ortho, and since this was a revision, I wasn't about to make anymore unnecessary structural changes.

 

[tansel]

i prefer celal candirli, he’s much more safer than ram or pag imo.

 

[tyler1234]

What is wrong with ur genio? I swear pagnoni is like 12k for genio

 

[tweaqo]

Both are terrible compared to Sunil Richardson

 

[Devon]

i prefer celal candirli, he’s much more safer than ram or pag imo.

Gatekept surgeon

 

[tansel]

Gatekept surgeon

lol i was just being a jester, celal is awful

 

[Milly477]

" but he is so bluepilled" cope he literally told me he knows about .org

who mogs and why? specifically for genioplasty (but we can talk about them as a surgeon in general, how they do with bimax, implants, etc), i am saving up for a revision genioplasty right now.

both are about the same price, wont say the exact number but they are both quite affordable.

my personal opinion:
i know the majority might say ramieri because he has a kinda better rep but he is so bluepilled and i personally always preferred pagnoni based off my own personal experiences and from what i've heard. pagnoni also responds much faster and seems to be more caring. pagnoni might've made mistakes before but so has ramieri. pagnoni also takes more risks in a good way and is more of an artist, you can only ascend with ramieri by taking a pagnoni plan and bringing it to ramieri.

react JFL for ramieri, react with a thumbs up for pagnoni, please leave your reasoning below and ill rep you no matter what you say

Tags: @lurking truecel @yussimania @Gaia262 @Firstname.Lastname @kilgrave

 

[DonaldJTrump]

How can I acquire knowledge about them except on .org. Instagram hardmaxx results?

reddit

What is wrong with ur genio? I swear pagnoni is like 12k for genio

oversized, i asked for it to be like that though but im stupid

I wouldnt even consider pag anymore because he seems to high risk. For genio he is decent though. Ram is good for bimax

i've heard ramieri fuck up before like i said, also the patients i've all spoken to, myself included, have nothing but good things to say about pagnoni

 

[Bullofturkishfoids]

I wouldnt even consider pag anymore because he seems to high risk. For genio he is decent though. Ram is good for bimax

What do you think about custom jaw angle implants with him?

 

[zemult]

The consensus I've gotten from reading a lot of stories

If you have to pick between these 2 surgeons

Go to Pagnoni for implants, Ramieri for bimax

 

[kaydd]

The consensus I've gotten from reading a lot of stories

If you have to pick between these 2 surgeons

Go to Pagnoni for implants, Ramieri for bimax

What if you need both at the same time, whose better

 

[zemult]

What if you need both at the same time, whose better

You don't

 

[kaydd]

You don't

Say that to my subhuman face

 

[zemult]

Say that to my subhuman face

You don't force yourself to get them at the same time is what I mean

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

I don't really think much of either of them. It is kind of a wired space since its less focused on the plastic/aesthetic aspects and more on oral maxillofacial or even reconstructive surgery. Yes you do get godly aesthetic gains if you were a recessed nigger, and they fix it. I wouldn't claim otherwise. It's more so the way they do things, how they run practices, how the approach problems, how their fellow specialist see the world is just going to be very different then traditionally trained facial plastic surgeon who runs the typical cosmetic surgery practice.

When you get to most implants(ones related to aesthetic not functional gains) then it becomes more plastic surgery again. In an ideal world id much rather have a plastic surgeon do implants, since aesthetic implants are really more so beyond the scope of what maxillofacial/reconstructive surgeons do(i.e. they are trained for function). The same would be said of trying to have an ENT do a Rhinoplasty. ENT's have complete different focuses and perspectives on approach, goals, outcomes, even things as simple as intake process for the surgery. I'd much rather not have an ENT do a rhino.

Plastic surgeons as a field frown on aesthetic facial implants, other then chin implants. This applies to implants for both men and women. There is only a small minority of facial plastic surgeons who really do implants beyond the chin.

Something can be said to about getting it all done at once, which obvi then necessitates the maxillofacial surgeon doing the implant component. It's just a wired mishmash space frankly. I don't really think highly of either of them but my framework is also the wrong frame work to view them through, so my opinion on them really isn't worth much.

From what I've seen org favored surgeons, don't tend to be great practitioners of their fields. Often doing substandard work, though for much less cost then otherwise. That may or may not apply to either Pagnoni or Ramieri.

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[kaydd]

You don't force yourself to get them at the same time is what I mean

why not? Lot of people did, wouldnt hurt to skip the downtime

 

[zemult]

why not? Lot of people did, wouldnt hurt to skip the downtime

And end up with a worse result aesthetically, very smart.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

What if you need both at the same time, whose better

pag

 

[DonaldJTrump]

The consensus I've gotten from reading a lot of stories

If you have to pick between these 2 surgeons

Go to Pagnoni for implants, Ramieri for bimax

And for genio? Specifically a revision.

 

[zemult]

And for genio? Specifically a revision.

Not sure. I'd imagine they're all pretty good at it.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

i prefer celal candirli, he’s much more safer than ram or pag imo.

Who actually has experience with him and what are his prices

 

[LEFORT17]

Who actually has experience with him and what are his prices

me, got lf2, gonials, supras/infras, paranasals and genio giant. cant feel 90% of my face but im mogging

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

me, got lf2, gonials, supras/infras, paranasals and genio giant. cant feel 90% of my face but im mogging

Mirin hard. Could you pm me your b/a pics?

 

[LEFORT17]

Mirin hard. Could you pm me your b/a pics?

obv troll

 

[kaydd]

Mirin hard. Could you pm me your b/a pics?

 

[yussimania]

Mirin hard. Could you pm me your b/a pics?

2019 join date and you really thought he got a LF2

 

[tansel]

Who actually has experience with him and what are his prices

dude u are so dumb lol i was trolling, celal is a butcher madman

 

[CopeTilliRope]

who mogs and why? specifically for genioplasty (but we can talk about them as a surgeon in general, how they do with bimax, implants, etc), i am saving up for a revision genioplasty right now.

both are about the same price, wont say the exact number but they are both quite affordable.

my personal opinion:
i know the majority might say ramieri because he has a kinda better rep but he is so bluepilled and i personally always preferred pagnoni based off my own personal experiences and from what i've heard. pagnoni also responds much faster and seems to be more caring. pagnoni might've made mistakes before but so has ramieri. pagnoni also takes more risks in a good way and is more of an artist, you can only ascend with ramieri by taking a pagnoni plan and bringing it to ramieri.

react JFL for ramieri, react with a thumbs up for pagnoni, please leave your reasoning below and ill rep you no matter what you say

Tags: @lurking truecel @yussimania @Gaia262 @Firstname.Lastname @kilgrave

heve you seen that case?

never heard ot that technique before and i can't access the case study but it seems they were able to actually advance the mandible while shortening the philtrum soft tissue in a decent manner thanks to some weird movement/impaction and without a lip lift involved apparently

 

[kaydd]

bzzzzz brrrt bz burrp

 

[CopeTilliRope]

first time i'm seeing a result from a front view were the face actually didnt get longer and the philtrum shortened quite a bit

 

[DonaldJTrump]

first time i'm seeing a result from a front view were the face actually didnt get longer and the philtrum shortened quite a bit

where?

 

[lurking truecel]

heve you seen that case?

never heard ot that technique before and i can't access the case study but it seems they were able to actually advance the mandible while shortening the philtrum soft tissue in a decent manner thanks to some weird movement/impaction and without a lip lift involved apparently

it was impaction and the upper lip just got more support making it more curved. Hard price to pay tough

 

[Bullofturkishfoids]

What if you need both at the same time, whose better

Depends on the implants

If you want implants at the same time as bimax Ramieri is better when it comes to Jaw angle implants simply becauss if the fact that Pagnoni is against placing them at the same time while doing bimax

Ramieri uses his Implate technique but that means your Jaw angle Implant will have to be Titanium it can't be anything else while doing the Implate technique

If you only need Jaw angle implants Pagnoni is better and more blackpilled

For implants other than Jaw angle implants while bimax Pagnoni is better but more expensive too and won't do a revision for free

 

[Vass]

How do these compare to more academic maxillofacial surgeons like in university clinics or childrens hospitals is it just that they go further

I think these "instagram surgeons" are quite sketchy tbh