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In reality, much of liberal philosophy can be based, and leaders of progressive though many times actually come from people who look at the world in a more thoughtful light, seeing the world through a critical lens and not accepting things just because they are social norms.

The problem is that progressive though has 1.) Become normie and by extension 2.) Has become social suicide to be critical of.

It's funny because much of progressive thought is rooted in not accepting things uncritically and questioning current norms, but nowadays liberal ideas are adopted by the masses, so they are current norms. It's paradoxical honestly that leftist shit is just a bunch of bugman soy garbage nowadays, because challenging the social and political norms that are established by liberalism is considered low iq and aspie despite the fact that we've arrived at the normie worldview through that very practice of progressivism.

Liberal ideas like human rights, equality for races and gender, anti-classism, environmentalism etc. are pretty based and high IQ ideas. They shouldn't be discarded just because some midwit soy took a sociology class in college and now spends his time discussing concepts he barely understands at his starbucks job in insufferable.

Also, on topics like feminism and race equality. I understand what this forum is talking about when it says these ideas are cucked, or low IQ a bit. In reality, in you're a white dude, and your supporting feminism or racial equality, like it or not, you are most likely going to be relinquishing your power to others if you give them more power and rights. I think not supporting these ideas is a perfectly valid position provided you understand that it's the reason you are doing it. No man should feel like he has to give his power to people who have less power, and it's perfectly logical, reasonable, and high iq, to be conservative in this sense.

However, if you are a woman, a minority, or a white guy who gains power from these movements somehow, these ideas certainly are not low IQ and perfectly reasonable to follow. If you are a woman or a minority you SHOULD be trying to get more power in society, and trying to get more power from society is based and high IQ.

The main problem with leftism is that its normie herd mentality groupthink nowadays, which is NEVER high iq. Not getting your worldview from uncritically examining it is a weak and unintelligent. This is why leftism is associated with ugly midwits on reddit nowadays, because it's the norm and therefore inherently becomes stupid. However, liberal ideas themselves are not necessarily dumb, and this forum should open their minds a bit and realize that.
 
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Whatever I just want people to be payed for the value of their labor (i.e. socialism/communism)
 
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Lots of broke niggas here are fiscally conservative which is room temp IQ

It's legit cuck shit. These cucks get fucked over day and night by rich people but vote in the interests of rich people because they think they're gonna be rich someday.

They're too low IQ to realize that laws the benefit the rich are about keeping broke fuckers down. Go ahead and vote conservative when you're rich, whatever, but to vote conservative as a broke person is just as cucked as a normie arguing for hypergamy
 
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Im an anarchist tbh
 
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Politics is incel cope anyways
 
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It's legit cuck shit. These cucks get fucked over day and night by rich people but vote in the interests of rich people because they think they're gonna be rich someday.

They're too low IQ to realize that laws the benefit the rich are about keeping broke fuckers down. Go ahead and vote conservative when you're rich, whatever, but to vote conservative as a broke person is just as cucked as a normie arguing for hypergamy
Sure, just vote liberal when you're a broke college student so you can get fucked over by the very people you voted into office in 10 years. That's basically what happens right now.
 
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Sure, just vote liberal when you're a broke college student so you can get fucked over by the very people you voted into office in 10 years. That's basically what happens right now.

Not really. A college grad and a working class person really aren't at that much of a different socioeconomically. If you stil have to work on a schedule to make a living, you're not really gonna benefit from conservative economics unless you're a doctor or a lawyer, who many times are still wagecucks anyway.
 
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I don't agree with almost all of your "based high IQ liberal ideas", but I agree people can too easily dismiss ideas just because there are losers who identify with them.
 
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Lots of broke niggas here are fiscally conservative which is room temp IQ
Socialism/communism has failed every single time it has been implemented. Also overregulation by the government is the reason everything is overpriced and people can no longer make a comfortable living. The best approach is limited government involvement (fiscal conservatism). The larger your government is, the more corporations can overstep their boundaries through lobbying.
 
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Politics is incel cope anyways

Politics is kinda incel cope tbh but also not.

Voting, for example, is beyond cope. In fact voting is problem the biggest cope ever created in history. The idea that "every vote matters" is such bullshit. Sure, the bystander effect is real, however the fact that it's an "effect" is just once again solidfying that I have no real power here. Whether you vote or don't vote, your government is 100% unequivocally out of your control. The same is true for being super into politics on twitter or reddit, or politicians. Canvassing, interning, donating, debating, etc. are 100% incel cope because it's just a bunch of people who have no power (incels) attaching themselves to organizations with power so that when this organization succeeds, they subsequently get to feel some of that power.

Politics through revolution or genuine academic pursuit, however, is not cope. That's something that's very human and very freeing for humans. Both a pursuit of greater meaning in the world or using violence to change the world is probably more important to the human experience than actually living in the society you seek to create.
 
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Go back reddit.com
 
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Socialism/communism has failed every single time it has been implemented. Also overregulation by the government is the reason everything is overpriced and people can no longer make a comfortable living. The best approach is limited government involvement (fiscal conservatism). The larger your government is, the more corporations can overstep their boundaries through lobbying.
the weaker the government the easier it is for the big guy to bully the subhuman

just like in the 3rd world
 
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I don't agree with almost all of your "based high IQ liberal ideas", but I agree people can too easily dismiss ideas just because there are losers who identify with them.

There's no such thing as a based form of industrial or post industrial society.

You're just rooting for a different form of pecking order at the end of the end of the day but either way there's no reason to call liberal ideas any more or less IQ than conservatives ones provided they are actually ideas with reasonable analysis and critical observation.
 
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the weaker the government the easier it is for the big guy to bully the subhuman

just like in the 3rd world

I agree with you but part of the cope of politics is thinking that any form of government is gonna make it so the big guy can't bully the subhuman. At the end of the day no matter what there's gonna be a big guy bullying the subhuman because that's human nature, but I agree that it's way easier and more direct in the third world.
 
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Liberal ideas like human rights, equality for races and gender, anti-classism, environmentalism etc.
There's no good reason for human rights & environmentalism to be left side of the political spectrum.
 
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the weaker the government the easier it is for the big guy to bully the subhuman
just like in the 3rd world
Most third world countries are socialist/communist. Corporations can’t take advantage of people on a large scale unless they have help from things such as law enforcement and government policy. Overall, small government is better.

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There's no good reason for human rights & environmentalism to be left side of the political spectrum.

I agree but for some reason these things are considered leftist
 
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Politics in general are a waste of time for people who really don't have a goal in life so they have to focus on things they have no control of, SPECIALLY liberals and ultra-right wing
Once I was libtard and god, liberals are as braindead as it gets, if you think twice about what they think is right you'll change your opinion
That's why most liberals are teenagers or failed young adults
 
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There's no such thing as a based form of industrial or post industrial society.
I agree
You're just rooting for a different form of pecking order at the end of the end of the day
Yeah, obviously, everybody is rooting for a different pecking order, usually where they are at the top
but either way there's no reason to call liberal ideas any more or less IQ than conservatives ones provided they are actually ideas with reasonable analysis and critical observation.
I wasn't necessarily calling them low IQ I just said I didn't agree with them. Mainly the race/gender equality and human rights ones, the others I agree with to some extent. But who cares what I agree with tbh, I don't think debating most of this stuff matters anyway.

Unless a debate is among people with some notable power or influence, it usually doesn't really matter. Also assuming it's not about ideas that have a direct effect on your lifestyle, like religion or whatever, debating those can be productive
 
the only thing i like about progressives is safety net programs. people these days provide no use to society but they want a cool job and order ubereats every day jfl. i would gladly pay more tax if it means taking out the useless people cluttering the workforce and let them sit home on ubi
 
Whatever I just want people to be payed for the value of their labor (i.e. socialism/communism)
Labour Theory of Value is archaic and doesn’t reflect reality sadly. The modern idea is called the Marginal Theory of Value, which explains why people don’t get paid for their labour.
 
caring about politics is for poor ppl
 
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In reality, much of liberal philosophy can be based, and leaders of progressive though many times actually come from people who look at the world in a more thoughtful light, seeing the world through a critical lens and not accepting things just because they are social norms.

The problem is that progressive though has 1.) Become normie and by extension 2.) Has become social suicide to be critical of.

It's funny because much of progressive thought is rooted in not accepting things uncritically and questioning current norms, but nowadays liberal ideas are adopted by the masses, so they are current norms. It's paradoxical honestly that leftist shit is just a bunch of bugman soy garbage nowadays, because challenging the social and political norms that are established by liberalism is considered low iq and aspie despite the fact that we've arrived at the normie worldview through that very practice of progressivism.

Liberal ideas like human rights, equality for races and gender, anti-classism, environmentalism etc. are pretty based and high IQ ideas. They shouldn't be discarded just because some midwit soy took a sociology class in college and now spends his time discussing concepts he barely understands at his starbucks job in insufferable.

Also, on topics like feminism and race equality. I understand what this forum is talking about when it says these ideas are cucked, or low IQ a bit. In reality, in you're a white dude, and your supporting feminism or racial equality, like it or not, you are most likely going to be relinquishing your power to others if you give them more power and rights. I think not supporting these ideas is a perfectly valid position provided you understand that it's the reason you are doing it. No man should feel like he has to give his power to people who have less power, and it's perfectly logical, reasonable, and high iq, to be conservative in this sense.

However, if you are a woman, a minority, or a white guy who gains power from these movements somehow, these ideas certainly are not low IQ and perfectly reasonable to follow. If you are a woman or a minority you SHOULD be trying to get more power in society, and trying to get more power from society is based and high IQ.

The main problem with leftism is that its normie herd mentality groupthink nowadays, which is NEVER high iq. Not getting your worldview from uncritically examining it is a weak and unintelligent. This is why leftism is associated with ugly midwits on reddit nowadays, because it's the norm and therefore inherently becomes stupid. However, liberal ideas themselves are not necessarily dumb, and this forum should open their minds a bit and realize that.
Liberalism isn’t even close to being similar to progressivism/leftism. Also, conservatives (American) are descendants of the school of thought of classical liberalism.


caring about politics is for poor ppl
Cope, the rich use politics to gain more power as well.
 
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get rich or die trying
 
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Most third world countries are socialist/communist. Corporations can’t take advantage of people on a large scale unless they have help from things such as law enforcement and government policy. Overall, small government is better.

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Ah I didn't know I was talking to an actual idiot. NVM then.
 
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Cope. No counter argument provided. Read your history.
Counter argument to the argument that most 3rd world countries are socialist or communist?
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There simply isn't any. You are just dumb as fuck. Your history knowledge consists of what Alex Jones has said.
 
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Counter argument to the argument that most 3rd world countries are socialist or communist?
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There simply isn't any. You are just dumb as fuck. Your history knowledge consists of what Alex Jones has said.
Your argument is that physical conservatism is bad and that large government is better. Look up the works aleksandr solzhenitsyn or fyodor dostoevsky and you’ll see that living in large government socialist countries is complete hell and the government goes around terrorizing its citizens like some sort of gang. I’m not saying small government systems are ideal, but the potential for abuse and corruption is far higher in large government political systems. People here like the idea of economic leftism because they are NEETs who have never worked a day in their life and want free shit handed to them.
 
Counter argument to the argument that most 3rd world countries are socialist or communist?
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There simply isn't any. You are just dumb as fuck. Your history knowledge consists of what Alex Jones has said.
I wonder what this retards definition of socialism is.
 
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Death is a preferable alternative to communism
 
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Your argument is that physical conservatism is bad and that large government is better. Look up the works aleksandr solzhenitsyn or fyodor dostoevsky and you’ll see that living in large government socialist countries is complete hell and the government goes around terrorizing its citizens like some sort of gang. I’m not saying small government systems are ideal, but the potential for abuse and corruption is far higher in large government political systems. People here like the idea of economic leftism because they are NEETs who have never worked a day in their life and want free shit handed to them.
You've been watching Peterson way too much lol. Solzenitsyn was a degenerate jew hating Slavtard SFcel who got cancer in GULAG and was successfully treated so he could go on and spill his nonsense to the world. Also the guy was no scholar nor a historian, just a novelist writing bs. Dostoyevsky didn't even live under socialism but under the feudal rule of old Russia (which of course was closer to your small government bullshit than anything else there is in the 21st century and the life back then was hell on earth) and again was just a novelist. Just because Jordan the Cuck mentions these names doesn't mean shit.

Also "small government" is a libertadian misnomer. It merely refers to "government spending". The reason it is so high is because nobody has children and everybody is a fucking old fat degenerate so the government has to spend trillions on their pensions and healthcare. If people had kids and weren't obese fucks the government spending in % of the GDP would go down very quickly.
 
You've been watching Peterson way too much lol. Solzenitsyn was a degenerate jew hating Slavtard SFcel who got cancer in GULAG and was successfully treated so he could go on and spill his nonsense to the world. Also the guy was no scholar nor a historian, just a novelist writing bs. Dostoyevsky didn't even live under socialism but under the feudal rule of old Russia (which of course was closer to your small government bullshit than anything else there is in the 21st century and the life back then was hell on earth) and again was just a novelist. Just because Jordan the Cuck mentions these names doesn't mean shit.

Also "small government" is a libertadian misnomer. It merely refers to "government spending". The reason it is so high is because nobody has children and everybody is a fucking old fat degenerate so the government has to spend trillions on their pensions and healthcare. If people had kids and weren't obese fucks the government spending in % of the GDP would go down very quickly.
Solzhenitsyn aside, believing in communist or socialist ideas as an economist is equivalent to being a flat Earth astronomer.
 
Solzhenitsyn aside, believing in communist or socialist ideas as an economist is equivalent to being a flat Earth astronomer.
The Russian Empire was never competing for a world leader status and neither is the Russian Federation. Whatever you believe it's obvious the USSR was the peak of Russian civilization. Believing otherwise is equivalent to believing in Santa.
 
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Whatever I just want people to be payed for the value of their labor (i.e. socialism/communism)
thats not even what communism is
how do you define "value of their labour"
labour isn't valuable at all, literally 99% of the population can do basic labour work
 
thats not even what communism is
how do you define "value of their labour"
labour isn't valuable at all, literally 99% of the population can do basic labour work
Okay nigga?

Then they should get payed a lot cause most labor is absolute bumshit. Most production is done by machines. We as humans could have so much more free time and happiness but we slave away to make a few guys rich.
 
Okay nigga?

Then they should get payed a lot cause most labor is absolute bumshit. Most production is done by machines. We as humans could have so much more free time and happiness but we slave away to make a few guys rich.
Why should they get paid more than they are worth?
"We slave away", no, you slave away. If you weren't low IQ, you'd want wages to be lower so you can employ people for cheaper.

If you're a labourer, you are bottom of the food chain. Your only skill is manual work. You can be replaced instantly. Why would I pay some useless entitled faggot who can't even pass his maths exam £14 an hour to lift boxes when I could pay some Asian dude 50p a day?

Anyway, raising the minimum wage would mean businesses would have to fire half of their workforce in order to afford to keep running. Typical fucking retarded commie thinking every business owner is sitting on a big pot of gold that they just hoard for themselves.

You get paid what you're worth. Develop a skill, then you'll get paid more.
Humans don't derive pleasure from "free time and happiness", they derive it from meaning through meaning and climbing up hierarchies.
We have so much free time in the West and everyone here wants to fucking kill themselves. And stop chasing "happiness", you are never going to feel constantly happy like a 4 year old. Chase goals.

jfl at the fact you are a commie and cant even spell "paid" or "labour" :feelsuhh::feelsuhh::feelsuhh:
 
Most third world countries are socialist/communist. Corporations can’t take advantage of people on a large scale unless they have help from things such as law enforcement and government policy. Overall, small government is better.

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And yet here i am extremely tortured and "bullied" by the supposedly first world u.s. police, fbi, government. The u.s.a. government (including police, fbi, etc.) should all be destroyed right now and replaced with a good government that's for me, good to me, and does what I say. Every second the u.s.a. government (including police, fbi, etc.) torture and abuse me, they violate me. They violate and abuse my human rights every second. I hope they will be destroyed right now.
 
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Why should they get paid more than they are worth?
"We slave away", no, you slave away. If you weren't low IQ, you'd want wages to be lower so you can employ people for cheaper.

If you're a labourer, you are bottom of the food chain. Your only skill is manual work. You can be replaced instantly. Why would I pay some useless entitled faggot who can't even pass his maths exam £14 an hour to lift boxes when I could pay some Asian dude 50p a day?

Anyway, raising the minimum wage would mean businesses would have to fire half of their workforce in order to afford to keep running. Typical fucking retarded commie thinking every business owner is sitting on a big pot of gold that they just hoard for themselves.

You get paid what you're worth. Develop a skill, then you'll get paid more.
Humans don't derive pleasure from "free time and happiness", they derive it from meaning through meaning and climbing up hierarchies.
We have so much free time in the West and everyone here wants to fucking kill themselves. And stop chasing "happiness", you are never going to feel constantly happy like a 4 year old. Chase goals.

jfl at the fact you are a commie and cant even spell "paid" or "labour" :feelsuhh::feelsuhh::feelsuhh:

Why should they get paid more than they are worth?
"We slave away", no, you slave away. If you weren't low IQ, you'd want wages to be lower so you can employ people for cheaper.

If you're a labourer, you are bottom of the food chain. Your only skill is manual work. You can be replaced instantly. Why would I pay some useless entitled faggot who can't even pass his maths exam £14 an hour to lift boxes when I could pay some Asian dude 50p a day?

Anyway, raising the minimum wage would mean businesses would have to fire half of their workforce in order to afford to keep running. Typical fucking retarded commie thinking every business owner is sitting on a big pot of gold that they just hoard for themselves.

You get paid what you're worth. Develop a skill, then you'll get paid more.
Humans don't derive pleasure from "free time and happiness", they derive it from meaning through meaning and climbing up hierarchies.
We have so much free time in the West and everyone here wants to fucking kill themselves. And stop chasing "happiness", you are never going to feel constantly happy like a 4 year old. Chase goals.

jfl at the fact you are a commie and cant even spell "paid" or "labour" :feelsuhh::feelsuhh::feelsuhh:
Ignored. Someone can try smoking weed to be happy.
 
lol @ you fags discussing shit you know nothing about

liberals are retarded but the far right that opposes anything progressive because "liberalism bad" are retarded too.

best position in libertarian right
 
communists are no talent having parasitic subhumans that should not be alive in the first place
socialists are libertarians but with too much estrogen and too little testosterone
social democrats are cowards
conservatives are based if they aren't part of the KKK
 
you want capitalism then
the problem with capitalism is these hoarding rich inkwells that use money to try to feel like a man or fill the gaping hole in their soul

there has to be a cap on wealth. anything over 100M should be taxed like 80% and put into public sector like infrastructure and shit.

commies that still work at mcdonalds at age 43 and demand "living wages" should starve for being degenerates in their 20s.
 
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Ignored. Someone can try smoking weed to be happy.
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the average IQ on this forum is so fucking low i stg, you are definitely too dumb to correctly interpret any of what i said
happiness and pleasure aren't the same thing you stupid fuck
smoke weed everyday and see if that makes you happy, go on

the problem with capitalism is these hoarding rich inkwells that use money to try to feel like a man or fill the gaping hole in their soul

there has to be a cap on wealth. anything over 100M should be taxed like 80% and put into public sector like infrastructure and shit.

commies that still work at mcdonalds at age 43 and demand "living wages" should starve for being degenerates in their 20s.
agree with the commie thing. but money in the public sector just goes towards useless bs like diversity training and politicians pockets, we can't trust our government to do shit. the vast majority of jobs come from very rich people opening businesses etc. if it weren't for the gigarich, we wouldn't have half of the modern shit we have today as there'd be nobody to fund it.

cap on wealth is an awful idea, learn basic economics. can't believe you're the one telling people they dont know what theyre talking about lmao.

if you don't value money over anything else, you're an absolute coper. money = freedom.
 
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the average IQ on this forum is so fucking low i stg, you are definitely too dumb to correctly interpret any of what i said
happiness and pleasure aren't the same thing you stupid fuck
smoke weed everyday and see if that makes you happy, go on


agree with the commie thing. but money in the public sector just goes towards useless bs like diversity training and politicians pockets, we can't trust our government to do shit. the vast majority of jobs come from very rich people opening businesses etc. if it weren't for the gigarich, we wouldn't have half of the modern shit we have today as there'd be nobody to fund it.

cap on wealth is an awful idea, learn basic economics. can't believe you're the one telling people they dont know what theyre talking about lmao.

if you don't value money over anything else, you're an absolute coper. money = freedom.
cope i value human life over money, how subhuman the human may be

the solution to all of this shit really is to just murder all of the twitter commies/anarchists and socialists and also murder all of the weak "people" and boomers in politics.
 
but then "muh prison"

"muh civil war"
 
cope i value human life over money, how subhuman the human may be

the solution to all of this shit really is to just murder all of the twitter commies/anarchists and socialists and also murder all of the weak "people" and boomers in politics.
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MAN JUST SAID HE VALUES HUMAN LIFE OVER MONEY THEN LITERALLY JUST SAYS TO MURDER A BUNCH OF PEOPLE
stay broke
 
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the problem with capitalism is these hoarding rich inkwells that use money to try to feel like a man or fill the gaping hole in their soul

their hoarding money benefits us all by pushing prices down

there has to be a cap on wealth. anything over 100M should be taxed like 80% and put into public sector like infrastructure and shit.

an 80% tax on $100 million+ isn't a cap on wealth

wealth can take on many forms, very few of which are taxable

commies that still work at mcdonalds at age 43 and demand "living wages" should starve for being degenerates in their 20s.

there's nothing wrong with demanding a raise
 
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