People treat snakes and spiders way too harshly

[Deleted member 51358]

I always feel pity for those animals for some reason

@imontheloose @Mainlander

 

[Deleted member 51358]

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[imontheloose]

What makes the killing of a human any worse than a spider? Could you argue the human is better to kill due to consciously having morality yet still disobeying his own morale? A spider nor any other animal has this sort of will a human has morally.

 

[Deleted member 116613]

I always feel pity for those animals for some reason

@imontheloose @Mainlander

no appeal = kill it

 

[Thief]

no appeal = kill it

 

[Deleted member 51358]

What makes the killing of a human any worse than a spider?

The real answer to that is nothing, and yet even knowing this id still feel way worse killing say a random dude off the street than smashing a spider

I think to a degree humans have evolved to avoid killing eachother to maintain social cohesion. This is really why we view ourselves above animals

Then the justifications come later, we didn’t rationally come to the conclusion human lives are more valuable.

Instead we formed the conclusion and then added rationale.

Could you argue the human is worse due to consciously having morality yet still disobeying his own morale?

If we are to accept the position of @Mainlander (freewill not existing) there’s a counterintuitive and even disturbing implication of this idea.

Let’s say a man kidnaps 10 infants and then rapes them and afterwards kills them bakes them in pies and feeds them to his neighbors

Most people would agree such a person should be punished in the most horrible way.

But wait, if freewill doesn’t exist how can we hold anyone accountable for their actions

The notion of justice itself is completely destroyed

 

[imontheloose]

freewill not existing

Will exists, it just isn't free. If he denies will's existence, that's a bit absurd. It's not exactly a spicy take that libertarian free will doesn't exist.

I do also agree with your prior point.

 

[Deleted member 110192]

I always feel pity for those animals for some reason

@imontheloose @Mainlander

I burn every spider I see unironically. I love seeing them suffer

 

[Deleted member 51358]

I burn every spider I see unironically. I love seeing them suffer

Why

 

[Deleted member 110192]

Why

I don’t know they piss me off to be honest. Every insect piss me off.

 

[Mainlander]

The real answer to that is nothing, and yet even knowing this id still feel way worse killing say a random dude off the street than smashing a spider

I think to a degree humans have evolved to avoid killing eachother to maintain social cohesion. This is really why we view ourselves above animals

Then the justifications come later, we didn’t rationally come to the conclusion human lives are more valuable.

Instead we formed the conclusion and then added rationale.


If we are to accept the position of @Mainlander (freewill not existing) there’s a counterintuitive and even disturbing implication of this idea.

Let’s say a man kidnaps 10 infants and then rapes them and afterwards kills them bakes them in pies and feeds them to his neighbors

Most people would agree such a person should be punished in the most horrible way.

But wait, if freewill doesn’t exist how can we hold anyone accountable for their actions

The notion of justice itself is completely destroyed

Yes, such a person cannot truly be blamed because everything was predetermined even before he was born

The sum of genetics, environment, trauma ,chemical impulses ,unconscious drives all of it formed a causal chain that led to the horror


He did not choose to become a monster. He was shaped into one by forces utterly beyond his control


But for precisely that reaso, the state too is not free it is itself the necessary expression of this same causal structure


And so, the laws it enacts, the punishments it imposes the moral codes it formalizes all of it is likewise predetermined

The legal system becomes an instrument of behavioral conditioning, not of metaphysical justice


Its function is not to assign guilt, but to influence the will to create conditions under which such acts become less likely to occur


Justice, then is not about moral deserts it is about causal necessity


We do not punish because we choose to, but because the machinery of human society demands it not to balance some cosmic scale, but to modify outcomes within a deterministic system

 

[Embryo]

Snakes are cool. Spiders just look like fucking aliens.

 

[Deleted member 51358]

I don’t know they piss me off to be honest. Every insect piss me off.

Spiders aren’t insects

 

[User28823]

I just tried killing a small spider ini my room fucker jumped at the last second, I hope it fell to its death that ugly creepy fucking nigger stupid ugly creepy fucking incel spider.

theres probably 50 in my room god damnit

 

[lowltn222]

Snakes are really cool

 

[Deleted member 110192]

Spiders aren’t insects

Oh, didn’t know that! Anyways I still burn them. I hate when they are living in my house.

 

[Deleted member 110192]

I just tried killing a small spider ini my room fucker jumped at the last second, I hope it fell to its death that ugly creepy fucking nigger stupid ugly creepy fucking incel spider.

theres probably 50 in my room god damnit

I will help you burn it.

 

[avenox]

Probably because spiders are 8 kegged weird fucking satan made creature