people who hate western morality do so because they are bad people

[Harold O'brien]

it's simple - they see others who are happy and loving and it makes them feel inferior in comparison.

instead of using this is an opportunity to become a better person they blame it all on complex abstract notions like "morality" and "society" and become isolated losers

 

[thecel]

cope

“be a better person” is a coping mechanism

very happy people live very immoral lives

7-foot-tall Chad Thundercock farms infinite happiness by fucking bitches and treating sub-5 males like shit

thugmaxer gangster drug lord kingpin TeraTyTurboRone walks around his turf shooting his enemies dead and generating absurdly huge income from his drug empire

Josh the dudebro has loads of unprotected sex with numerous women and leaves them when they get pregnant

 

[Deleted member 16530]

 

[Deleted member 15004]

 

[Prettyboy]

 

[fifteenflagsfly]

Nah I remember back when I took loads of drugs in high school to try and be popular and have clout but I would look like even more of a disabled weirdo so I stopped doing it

 

[444]

"how about you try becoming a decent human being"

 

[Harold O'brien]

cope

“be a better person” is a coping mechanism

no, this is a coping mechanism from someone who isn't a good person.

 

[thecel]

no, this is a coping mechanism from someone who isn't a good person.

why should I be a good person?

 

[Harold O'brien]

why should I be a good person?

because it makes you happier. partly due to them having some biological foundation, partly due to earning respect from society, partly from being true to yourself

there's a reason 99% of self proclaimed dark triads are neurotic messes

 

[contributing_autist]

being an opinionless mainstream narrative following pussy doesnt automatically make you a good person

you sound like christians who think of themselves as saints just because they atend the mass every sunday, lmao

 

[Harold O'brien]

being an opinionless mainstream narrative following pussy doesnt automatically make you a good person

you sound like christians who think of themselves as saints just because they atend the mass every sunday, lmao

you are just mad that you are a bad person (racist + hateful)

 

[DesperadoRatado]

morals go against human nature, its all taught by religion

 

[thecel]

because it makes you happier.

very happy people live very immoral lives

7-foot-tall Chad Thundercock farms infinite happiness by fucking bitches and treating sub-5 males like shit

thugmaxer gangster drug lord kingpin TeraTyTurboRone walks around his turf shooting his enemies dead and generating absurdly huge income from his drug empire

Josh the dudebro has loads of unprotected sex with numerous women and leaves them when they get pregnant

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partly due to them having some biological foundation,

? Elab

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partly due to earning respect from society,

Yeah but Tyrone earns respect by being an immoral piece of shit person and Eugene the niceguy earns zero respect despite his kindness and selfless deeds

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partly from being true to yourself

the percent of people who’re truly good deep down inside is abysmally tiny. The majority of humans are naturally non-moral and just behave morally because they’re socialized to. What keeps them from doing bad stuff is fear of punishment (e.g. prison).

 

[contributing_autist]

what a pissweak retort, you'd have been better off just ignoring my post

btw, how come such a devout kindhearted liberal is implying people from eastern cultures have no morality/have an inferior idea of it?

lol at this compulsive need to be provocative even at the price of sounding dumber than you are. so sad. have sex, incel

 

[Harold O'brien]

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? Elab

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Yeah but Tyrone earns respect by being an immoral piece of shit person and Eugene the niceguy earns zero respect despite his kindness and selfless deeds

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the percent of people who’re truly good deep down inside is abysmally tiny. The majority of humans are naturally non-moral and just behave morally because they’re socialized to. What keeps them from doing bad stuff is fear of punishment (e.g. prison).

majority of humans are good people

 

[Harold O'brien]

what a pissweak retort, you'd have been better off just ignoring my post

btw, how come such a devout kindhearted liberal is implying people from eastern cultures have no morality/have an inferior idea of it?

lol at this compulsive need to be provocative even at the price of sounding dumber than you are. so sad. have sex, incel

I'm not liberal

they do have inferior morality

 

[thecel]

majority of humans are good people

Strong bluepilled belief. This particular belief might even be the root of all bluepill.

 

[Harold O'brien]

Strong bluepilled belief. This particular belief might even be the root of all bluepill.

the bluepill is a much better approximation of reality than the other ones

 

[Deleted member 13787]

brutal iqmogging in this thread by thecel

 

[Baldingman1998]

Most people here had irl trauma or are sad and angry because they didn't experience the life they wanted to have. They don't value society and usually don't have emuch empathy for other humans beings because they weren't treated fairly/with love etc.

You can't expect someone who experienced loneliness and pain to feel bad for other people who might have rejected that person etc

 

[Harold O'brien]

You expect someone who experienced loneliness and pain to feel bad for other people who might have rejected that person etc

yes. that goes both ways, if you have experienced it yourself then you don't want others to go through it

 

[Baldingman1998]

yes. that goes both ways, if you have experienced it yourself then you don't want others to go through it

Depends. That might be your first thought. But eventually you might grow resentful. And your heart will turn cold and filled with envy

 

[Harold O'brien]

Depends. That might be your first thought. But eventually you might grow resentful. And your heart will turn cold and filled with envy

if you are a bad person, yeah

 

[CopingThenRoping]

morals go against human nature, its all taught by religion

Moral sentiments are innate and immediate to man, they're predispositions for complex, cooperative societies

 

[Baldingman1998]

if you are a bad person, yeah

Not really. I used to be the most empathetic and loving good person. It's worthless. People will just take advantage of your kindness. It just drags you down and makes you put others above yourself.

Being selfish is ideal it's not being a "bad person"
Looking out for your own happiness isn't "bad"

 

[Deleted member 17872]

Another bad take from the forum plebian.

You neither understand users or western morality.

If users here are selfish and lacks compassion then they are in line with modern capitalistic ethos.

 

[Harold O'brien]

Not really. I used to be the most empathetic and loving good person. It's worthless. People will just take advantage of your kindness. It just drags you down and makes you put others above yourself.

Being selfish is ideal it's not being a "bad person"
Looking out for your own happiness isn't "bad"

you misunderstand completely

being a good person doesn't entail being taken advantage of - that would be enabling undesirable behaviour in society. it involves reciprocal altruism and costly punishment for selfish actors

 

[Baldingman1998]

you misunderstand completely

being a good person doesn't entail being taken advantage of - that would be enabling undesirable behaviour in society. it involves reciprocal altruism and costly punishment for selfish actors

That is ideal in fantasy land. In reality it's shit

 

[Harold O'brien]

That is ideal in fantasy land. In reality it's shit

cope, in reality is is amazing

 

[wollet2]

yes. that goes both ways, if you have experienced it yourself then you don't want others to go through it

Your modification doesnt make sense in here

The rejected to feel bad for the person that rejected him because he knows loneliness? You mean he should feel empathy for other incels not women.

 

[Harold O'brien]

Your modification doesnt make sense in here

The rejected to feel bad for the person that rejected him because he knows loneliness? You mean he should feel empathy for other incels not women.

it's more general than that. you don't want others to suffer/feel bad if you have suffered/felt bad

 

[wollet2]

it's more general than that. you don't want others to suffer/feel bad if you have suffered/felt bad

Ok but bad modification.

And still real life is not as simple and people dont go through the same level/kind of suffering. In the mind of an incel some women cannot suffer the same way he does and he can spot big unfairness vs smaller unfairness. And i dont hate women im just saying

 

[Harold O'brien]

Ok but bad modification.

And still real life is not as simple and people dont go through the same level/kind of suffering. In the mind of an incel some women cannot suffer the same way he does and he can spot big unfairness vs smaller unfairness. And i dont hate women im just saying

true, women suffer more due to sexism

 

[wollet2]

true, women suffer more due to sexism

Imo their biggest threat is physical violation / rape. But in the sexual frustration part men suffer much more.

 

[Harold O'brien]

Imo their biggest threat is physical violation / rape. But in the sexual frustration part men suffer much more.

many people don't take them seriously and think they have no skills or talent because they are women

 

[wollet2]

many people don't take them seriously and think they have no skills or talent because they are women

I wouldnt care if i could trade for the sexual success theyre having as im a hedonist that used to have a high sex drive. Looks more importsnt to me and i feel its for everyone. The PROBLEM is how easily can some men force their will to women / kill them / rape them if they disagree with them but that doesnt happen that often luckily for them atleast in the west + is declining trend + can be somewhat prevented

 

[Harold O'brien]

I wouldnt care if i could trade for the sexual success theyre having as im a hedonist that used to have a high sex drive. Looks more importsnt to me and i feel its for everyone. The PROBLEM is how easily can some men force their will to women / kill them / rape them if they disagree with them

women don't desire sexual success like men do though. they want to have long term partner with high status that can provide for their children

 

[wollet2]

women don't desire sexual success like men do though. they want to have long term partner with high status that can provide for their children

Yea idk i kind of disagree. Theyre as horny and wanna get fucked as me and most young females dont want to get kids or marriage but indeed want ltr with turbochad (until they get bored). Ons with chads still feel good to them and would be insanely depressed without them. Women have so much pleasure

 

[Harold O'brien]

Yea idk i kind of disagree. Theyre as horny and wanna get fucked as me and most young females dont want to get kids or marriage but indeed want ltr with turbochad. Ons with chads still feel good to them and would be insanely depressed without them.

fair enough but there is still definitely some asymmetry there. women having ons is not the same as man having ons

if you value hedonism so much why not just take drugs. they mog sex and your gender does not matter

 

[Magical Apple]

it's simple - they see others who are happy and loving and it makes them feel inferior in comparison.

instead of using this is an opportunity to become a better person they blame it all on complex abstract notions like "morality" and "society" and become isolated losers

I dislike western morality because it perceives morality as a false dichotomy of good and evil and thus keeps people from understanding morality in an enlightened in nuanced way. It's childish, short sighted and lacks wisdom. The result is very unfair judgements and even worse, people acting without questioning themselves.

The truth is being a good person is actually very hard and it goes much deeper than simply feeling like you are a good person and having "good intentions."

 

[Magical Apple]

cope

“be a better person” is a coping mechanism

very happy people live very immoral lives

7-foot-tall Chad Thundercock farms infinite happiness by fucking bitches and treating sub-5 males like shit

thugmaxer gangster drug lord kingpin TeraTyTurboRone walks around his turf shooting his enemies dead and generating absurdly huge income from his drug empire

Josh the dudebro has loads of unprotected sex with numerous women and leaves them when they get pregnant

Happiness isn't infinite, it's temporary and will inevitably fade. Eventually chads indulgence in hedonism will become empty.

 

[Anyanglover]

Happiness isn't infinite, it's temporary and will inevitably fade. Eventually chads indulgence in hedonism will become empty.

yes,its been proven that what makes you happy are

1)Sufficient income aka 40k per year per eprson(no increase in longterm happiness after this)

2)familial relations aka a good wife and children and extended family that cares for you

3)God and prayer

 

[Anyanglover]

promiscuity doesn't make you happy according to studies,it does the opposite.also hedonic treadmill is true.

only the source of true Happiness-Yahweh Elohim can make somebody happy through a relationship with him and his son Jesus christ of Nazareth.

 

[Magical Apple]

yes,its been proven that what makes you happy are

1)Sufficient income aka 40k per year per eprson(no increase in longterm happiness after this)

2)familial relations aka a good wife and children and extended family that cares for you

3)God and prayer

all of those things eventually fade.

 

[Anyanglover]

all of those things eventually fade.

the last one never fades-and He will give you eternal bliss if you live right and believe in his son.