People who think infra orbital implants is not worth it

[lurking truecel]

And we have @chrishell telling people that they usually need revision to place them good and then 2 more procedures to make them look good. Absolute lying piece of dog poo. Yes this is true if you are 30+ which chris probably is and is why he recommend midfacelift and 2 rounds of fatgraft on top.

If you read around on this site there are multiple people who says that one of the things girl see first and tell them after multiple surgeries like bimax etc is the infra implant result. Example gaia who did both bimax, rhino and jaw angles, and also some other dude who did bimax with ram and infras with pag. Its true that you might need fat graft over if you needed it beforehand. I needed it before and i need it after infra implants but the implant itself is good. Stop the gaslighting and over complications from some moron like @chrishell, because getting the infras right the first time is not that hard like that gaslighting peace of shit tells, or do you agree @RealSurgerymax

And having a decent ogee curve and good zygos is really rare which is also why its such good procedure to stick out and look better then other people which is what its all about

 

[RealSurgerymax]

And we have @chrishell telling people that they usually need revision to place them good and then 2 more procedures to make them look good. Absoulte lying pieace of dog poo. Yes this is true if you are 30+ which chris probably is and is why he recommend midfacelift and 2 rounds of fatgraft on top.

If you read qrpund on this site there are multiple people who says that one of the things girl see first and tell them after multiple surgeries like bimax etc is the infra implant result. Example gaia who did both bimax, rhino and jaw angles, and also some other dude who did bimax with ram and infras with pag. Its true that you might need fat graft over if you needed it beforehand. I needed it before and i need after infra implants but the implant itself is good. Stop the gaslightning and over complications from some moron like @chrishell, because getting the infras right the first time is not that hard liek that gaslighting peace of shit tells, or do you agree @RealSurgerymax

- If the bone hypoplasia is huge, the full skeletal correction might need soft tissue augmentation as well. It depends on the case.

- Scraping the soft tissue off the mid face and just stitching the incision closed without any resusspenion has a huge risk of aging you 5 years. I am designing periosteal mid face lift into ALL of my mid face implants now, because there is a high risk of noticeable soft tissue descent when you scrape the soft tissue off the bones and passively let it heal. You need to control it and re-suspend it. I am the only one who is doing it this way, and even have a patent for the implant modification. (Daily reminder Giant is 20 steps ahead of anything else, and catching up (copying) is impossible through patent protection.)

 

[lurking truecel]

- If the bone hypoplasia is huge, the full skeletal correction might need soft tissue augmentation as well. It depends on the case.

- Scraping the soft tissue off the mid face and just stitching the incision closed without any resusspenion has a huge risk of aging you 5 years. I am designing periosteal mid face lift into ALL of my mid face implants now, because there is a high risk of noticeable soft tissue descent when you scrape the soft tissue off the bones and passively let it heal. You need to control it and re-suspend it. I am the only one who is doing it this way, and even have a patent for the implant modification. (Daily reminder Giant is 20 steps ahead of anything else, and catching up (copying) is impossible through patent protection.)

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Is this higher risk the bigger the implant ? And its specifically a risk because of mouth incision ?

 

[Prøphet]

Wait, do you have infra implants?

 

[lurking truecel]

Wait, do you have infra implants?

Yepp

 

[Prøphet]

Yepp

Baseddd, so you have bimax + infras? Did you have to wageslave to save up for your surgeries?

 

[lurking truecel]

Baseddd, so you have bimax + infras? Did you have to wageslave to save up for your surgeries?

Nah not really to be fair

 

[tweaqo]

The infras and malar region is underrated in looks on this site.

I think it gives your face a more robust look when this region is developed well.

 

[heightmax]

Baseddd, so you have bimax + infras? Did you have to wageslave to save up for your surgeries?

holy fuck mirin bro
is literally what i want to get if puberty doesn’t ascend me

 

[AustrianMogger]

- If the bone hypoplasia is huge, the full skeletal correction might need soft tissue augmentation as well. It depends on the case.

- Scraping the soft tissue off the mid face and just stitching the incision closed without any resusspenion has a huge risk of aging you 5 years. I am designing periosteal mid face lift into ALL of my mid face implants now, because there is a high risk of noticeable soft tissue descent when you scrape the soft tissue off the bones and passively let it heal. You need to control it and re-suspend it. I am the only one who is doing it this way, and even have a patent for the implant modification. (Daily reminder Giant is 20 steps ahead of anything else, and catching up (copying) is impossible through patent protection.)

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Can you do lf1 high cut or paransal implants/bone graft without destroying ogee curve or does someone always need infras?

 

[kingofkings]

- If the bone hypoplasia is huge, the full skeletal correction might need soft tissue augmentation as well. It depends on the case.

- Scraping the soft tissue off the mid face and just stitching the incision closed without any resusspenion has a huge risk of aging you 5 years. I am designing periosteal mid face lift into ALL of my mid face implants now, because there is a high risk of noticeable soft tissue descent when you scrape the soft tissue off the bones and passively let it heal. You need to control it and re-suspend it. I am the only one who is doing it this way, and even have a patent for the implant modification. (Daily reminder Giant is 20 steps ahead of anything else, and catching up (copying) is impossible through patent protection.)

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Does this involve a temporal incision? My concern with these kinds of face lifts is they often have that un-natural "dragged look" where you can visualize the skin has been pulled upwards towards the temporal area.

Btw I believe Eppley does some variant of what you're describing, using the implant as an anchor for the midface lift. I'm guessing there is something special about your approach...

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Does this involve a temporal incision? My concern with these kinds of face lifts is they often have that un-natural "dragged look" where you can visualize the skin has been pulled upwards towards the temporal area.

Btw I believe Eppley does some variant of what you're describing, using the implant as an anchor for the midface lift. I'm guessing there is something special about your approach...

Periosteal mid face lift will not cause the bunching or crowding you see with actual facelifts because it's simply not that powerful of a procedure. It's more preventative, resuspending things as they were/not allowing them to descend further, than lifting things a dramatically.

If someone wants their face to be lifted in a way that is dramatically better-off than pre-op, then they actually need a true facelift in the deep plane, thats under the skin and SMAS, from a skin incision around the ear & temporal hairline. Totally different.

Deep plane facelifts or limited mid-face lifts are powerful and appear natural when 1. Done by an expert and 2. the appropriate adjunctive procedures are done to avoid exactly what you point out. This isn't to upsell more procedures but to avoid looking unnatural for example when a midafcelift or full facelift is done without any temporal/brow lift or blepharoplasty to remove the redundant skin that bunches up in that area from the mid face lift.

And you cannot anchor the soft tissue to silicone implants. The suture will cut through them like a cheese-wire.

 

[ltn_looksminner]

Another lurking trucel classic

 

[Soter]

And we have @chrishell telling people that they usually need revision to place them good and then 2 more procedures to make them look good. Absolute lying piece of dog poo. Yes this is true if you are 30+ which chris probably is and is why he recommend midfacelift and 2 rounds of fatgraft on top.

If you read around on this site there are multiple people who says that one of the things girl see first and tell them after multiple surgeries like bimax etc is the infra implant result. Example gaia who did both bimax, rhino and jaw angles, and also some other dude who did bimax with ram and infras with pag. Its true that you might need fat graft over if you needed it beforehand. I needed it before and i need it after infra implants but the implant itself is good. Stop the gaslighting and over complications from some moron like @chrishell, because getting the infras right the first time is not that hard like that gaslighting peace of shit tells, or do you agree @RealSurgerymax

And having a decent ogee curve and good zygos is really rare which is also why its such good procedure to stick out and look better then other people which is what its all about

How do you know if you need infras+fat grafts vs when only fat grafts would be enough? Don't fat grafts alone improve the orbital vector?

 

[william.]

Nah not really to be fair

how did u afford it? and at what age?

 

[lurking truecel]

How do you know if you need infras+fat grafts vs when only fat grafts would be enough? Don't fat grafts alone improve the orbital vector?

Most of the time you onle need fat graft, how to know is via ct scan or simply see that the orbital rim is low and behind lower eyelid by a big margin

 

[Foreverbrad]

Most of the time you onle need fat graft, how to know is via ct scan or simply see that the orbital rim is low and behind lower eyelid by a big margin

Every time I look at my side profile I want Lefort 2 again but I know that I’m too old and do not have the money or the mental strength for this procedure.

I think my orbital rim is too low for fat grafting alone to be an option but at the same time, my face can’t support any significant thickness of implant due to flat maxilla.

 

[lurking truecel]

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Every time I look at my side profile I want Lefort 2 again but I know that I’m too old and do not have the money or the mental strength for this procedure.

I think my orbital rim is too low for fat grafting alone to be an option but at the same time, my face can’t support any significant thickness of implant due to flat maxilla.

I mean your orbital rim is slightly recessed, it would look better with fat graft, but it wont look as good as both infra and fat graft

 

[Foreverbrad]

I mean your orbital rim is slightly recessed, it would look better with fat graft, but it wont look as good as both infra and fat graft

Yeah I am leaning toward infraorbital implants because I can get them added during my trimax anyway.

There is also a chance that the implants end up looking ok even without needing additional soft tissue work later, I suppose.

I’ll need to consider relative merits of filler vs fat grafting as well as I think that decision has significantly different bias at my age than it does for most of this forum in their teens or early twenties.