People with shit neurotransmitters are less likely to abuse alcohol and cigarettes

[BrahminBoss]

Everyone thinks drugs like ethanol and nicotine are for those with shit neurotransmitters but I’d say the opposite.

For eg I’m someone with very bad neurotransmitters and I need a butt load of ritalin and some kratom and coffee to be functioning, alcohol or cigs isn’t fun for me either it just makes me feel more *normal* But I can go without either since I am experienced with being depressed moody and drowsy all my life.

In fact you see normies say nicotine withdrawals are hell but for me it felt like nothing just a bit sleepier than usual. Why is it so different for them? Well cause they are now experiencing how I usually perceive my environment aka deprived of something essential ( for me it’s a constant feeling for them it’s a specific substance in this case nicotine)

But once I take something like meth I’m pretty sure I’ll never remain sober ever again as it will be like being introduced to a whole new world. This is the same reason I get insanely euphoric on LSD while my friend w normal neurotransmitters just enjoys it a bit. For me it’s the perfect combination of euphoria and stimulation( lsd makes you see stunning visual and extremely curious about things). Hell the only reason I even tried LSD was cause I was so depressed with my life.

Look at Ramirez he had no stimulation as a kid beaten and abused started to smoke pot and lsd at 12 was shy no friends no pussy and he had to resort to crack cocaine and killing to experience pleasure. In the book the guy even says he perceived killing to be the ultimate drug so he stuck to pot because crack was making him lose focus easily when stalking his victims. This is how the depressed guy feels. If he has one thing that makes him feel good he can give up every other thing easily ; imagine normies giving up crack cocaine after 8 years of abusing it daily . And make no mistake Ramirezhad shit dopamine he had to constantly wank ( 20 times a day) tonot get depressed had attention problems and never socialised got sun or left his prison cell

So while normies are always at baseline happy and content they don’t do drugs like lsd or meth as they get quite happy from nicotine and alcohol. Whereas if I was to do a drug it would have to be worth it, in my case only dmt lsd and amphetamines make it worth it. This is why most alcoholics are notmies and most meth addicts are people who have been abused, homeless etc. the latter just smoke cigs cos they have nothing to do and nothing to lose - not because they enjoy them.

 

[BrahminBoss]

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[currylightskin]

Quite a good theory yakhi

 

[Sprinkles]

 

[Deleted member 7725]

sorry momma but these pills are for concentration

 

[Deleted member 25339]

Good post too bad most users will give reps to someone spamming subhuman in the ratings section

 

[Zylk]

I only like to drink alcohol but not smoke cigarettes or take other drugs

 

[badamj]

Yeah that’s pretty much the same experience for me. I can take 7 shots of tequila and smoke two blunts and feel buzzed but normal, meanwhile my normie friends are already drunk as hell.

 

[Deleted member 16275]

Lets cook meth

 

[R@m@]

you need drugs if you want to change your brain chemistry

 

[BrahminBoss]

Scientists may say people with adhd get a huge dopamine spike from cigs and so that’s why cigs tend to be more addictive for them but is this reality? Nicotine may be the one thing that makes them return to baseline so the brain is striving to remember what caused this phenomenon( dopamine spike may simply be a way for the brain to remember the event that caused this feeling , dopamine itself is not that pleasurable) ,people w adhd or depression may smoke cigs throughout their life but it may not be cause of addiction but the fact that they are low inhibition and don’t care about their future. In fact the MAO gene that prevents dopamine and norepinephrine uptake is higher in adhd cels and depression cels , maybe cause they are wired to seek and take risks more? These are the people who change history not the guys who can drink a small cup of coffee and feel like the world is amazing( but perhaps a happy medium exists) So the adhdcels aren’t giving it up cos they are addicted my guess they probably wouldn’t even feel withdrawals that much since pain is essentially the negation of pleasure ( even baseline state of human beings is beautiful and intensely pleasurable according to mystics and sages) and normies feel the withdrawal of pleasure more acutely than adhd and depression cels ( just look at the articles of people saying 1 week no sex felt like hell)

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[Deleted member 3573]

Possible. In the past year alcohol started to make me feel depressed and suicidal. Same with weed vape. I can only do caffeine and stimulants and maybe phenibut. Is this what you're talking about?

 

[BrahminBoss]

Possible. In the past year alcohol started to make me feel depressed and suicidal. Same with weed vape. I can only do caffeine and stimulants and maybe phenibut. Is this what you're talking about?

Ig so. Stimulants is also up my alley more since it makes me want to do things while normies conception of relaxation is something like pot which dampens energy but to me pot makes me anxious and wired. In “mind and tissue” ray peat says there is something called an energy threshold where even inhibitory activities in the normal sense of the word such as sleep and relaxation require some amount of stored energy. Aka the cells must be ready to go if needs be but not too low energy - if it’s the latter the inhibitory process cannot be completed. Think of when you don’t sleep for a day or get depressed your cells lack ATP at this point but this should ostensibly seemingly mean u can drift off to sleep but in reality depression cels get very bad sleep / no sleep at all. Because their energy quota is lower the cells cannot sufficiently relax for example muscle extension becomes more instead of less tedious and muscle contraction become less tedious such as in the cases of rigid mortis @Nad @Shieda_Kayn

 

[Kitsune]

I took LSD and smoked pot before, ended up with a bad experience from both of them. A bad trip basically, my chest was pounding and I had a full blown psychosis. I've never had bad experiences with alcohol and cigarettes though, helps me to cope.

 

[R@m@]

how do you feel on ritalin?

 

[BrahminBoss]

how do you feel on ritalin?

Normal. Like I can do things , no jitters no euphoria. Just a stabilised mood and less racing thoughts. I wrote this thread on 10 mg ritalin as well.

 

[R@m@]

Does kratom lower T levels?

 

[BrahminBoss]

Does kratom lower T levels?

No but it increases prolactin and reduces libido if done in higher doses ( opiate agonism reduces libido) . I do low dose only thrice a week just to regain emotional stability.

 

[ropemax]

Scientists may say people with adhd get a huge dopamine spike from cigs and so that’s why cigs tend to be more addictive for them but is this reality? Nicotine may be the one thing that makes them return to baseline so the brain is striving to remember what caused this phenomenon( dopamine spike may simply be a way for the brain to remember the event that caused this feeling , dopamine itself is not that pleasurable) ,people w adhd or depression may smoke cigs throughout their life but it may not be cause of addiction but the fact that they are low inhibition and don’t care about their future. In fact the MAO gene that prevents dopamine and norepinephrine uptake is higher in adhd cels and depression cels , maybe cause they are wired to seek and take risks more? These are the people who change history not the guys who can drink a small cup of coffee and feel like the world is amazing( but perhaps a happy medium exists) So the adhdcels aren’t giving it up cos they are addicted my guess they probably wouldn’t even feel withdrawals that much since pain is essentially the negation of pleasure ( even baseline state of human beings is beautiful and intensely pleasurable according to mystics and sages) and normies feel the withdrawal of pleasure more acutely than adhd and depression cels ( just look at the articles of people saying 1 week no sex felt like hell)

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Rewrite it in fewer words

 

[BrahminBoss]

Rewrite it in fewer words

 

[Bashan]

I took LSD and smoked pot before, ended up with a bad experience from both of them. A bad trip basically, my chest was pounding and I had a full blown psychosis. I've never had bad experiences with alcohol and cigarettes though, helps me to cope.

My first time with weed was horrible, a really bad trip. Then I got addicted till this day. I mean, I like it and don't want to stop.

 

[fukmylyf]

i legit don't understand how people develop addictions. And my comedowns are always mild, even if i take mdma. I'm more likely to have an afterglow, while my normie friends get suicidal and shit

 

[RAITEIII]

Everyone thinks drugs like ethanol and nicotine are for those with shit neurotransmitters but I’d say the opposite.

For eg I’m someone with very bad neurotransmitters and I need a butt load of ritalin and some kratom and coffee to be functioning, alcohol or cigs isn’t fun for me either it just makes me feel more *normal* But I can go without either since I am experienced with being depressed moody and drowsy all my life.

In fact you see normies say nicotine withdrawals are hell but for me it felt like nothing just a bit sleepier than usual. Why is it so different for them? Well cause they are now experiencing how I usually perceive my environment aka deprived of something essential ( for me it’s a constant feeling for them it’s a specific substance in this case nicotine)

But once I take something like meth I’m pretty sure I’ll never remain sober ever again as it will be like being introduced to a whole new world. This is the same reason I get insanely euphoric on LSD while my friend w normal neurotransmitters just enjoys it a bit. For me it’s the perfect combination of euphoria and stimulation( lsd makes you see stunning visual and extremely curious about things). Hell the only reason I even tried LSD was cause I was so depressed with my life.

Look at Ramirez he had no stimulation as a kid beaten and abused started to smoke pot and lsd at 12 was shy no friends no pussy and he had to resort to crack cocaine and killing to experience pleasure. In the book the guy even says he perceived killing to be the ultimate drug so he stuck to pot because crack was making him lose focus easily when stalking his victims. This is how the depressed guy feels. If he has one thing that makes him feel good he can give up every other thing easily ; imagine normies giving up crack cocaine after 8 years of abusing it daily . And make no mistake Ramirezhad shit dopamine he had to constantly wank ( 20 times a day) tonot get depressed had attention problems and never socialised got sun or left his prison cell

So while normies are always at baseline happy and content they don’t do drugs like lsd or meth as they get quite happy from nicotine and alcohol. Whereas if I was to do a drug it would have to be worth it, in my case only dmt lsd and amphetamines make it worth it. This is why most alcoholics are notmies and most meth addicts are people who have been abused, homeless etc. the latter just smoke cigs cos they have nothing to do and nothing to lose - not because they enjoy them.

Why do normies use drug

 

[Kitsune]

My first time with weed was horrible, a really bad trip. Then I got addicted till this day. I mean, I like it and don't want to stop.

It's an overrated drug. I quit smoking it months ago.

 

[Bashan]

It's an overrated drug. I quit smoking it months ago.

I like it a lot.

 

[ChiraqJihad]

I think I agree. Would you say addicts have a high sensitivity to dopamine or a lower one? Either they feel it a lot and are compelled to intake more or they feel it so little that they need to take drugs. I've never been addicted to anything. I drop nicotine for months when I get bored of it. Listen to the same music and have never been competitive, no interest in video games. Whatever it is, it's a bad trait to have.

 

[BrahminBoss]

Scientists may say people with adhd get a huge dopamine spike from cigs and so that’s why cigs tend to be more addictive for them but is this reality? Nicotine may be the one thing that makes them return to baseline so the brain is striving to remember what caused this phenomenon( dopamine spike may simply be a way for the brain to remember the event that caused this feeling , dopamine itself is not that pleasurable) ,people w adhd or depression may smoke cigs throughout their life but it may not be cause of addiction but the fact that they are low inhibition and don’t care about their future. In fact the MAO gene that prevents dopamine and norepinephrine uptake is higher in adhd cels and depression cels , maybe cause they are wired to seek and take risks more? These are the people who change history not the guys who can drink a small cup of coffee and feel like the world is amazing( but perhaps a happy medium exists) So the adhdcels aren’t giving it up cos they are addicted my guess they probably wouldn’t even feel withdrawals that much since pain is essentially the negation of pleasure ( even baseline state of human beings is beautiful and intensely pleasurable according to mystics and sages) and normies feel the withdrawal of pleasure more acutely than adhd and depression cels ( just look at the articles of people saying 1 week no sex felt like hell)

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@JailedAristocrat @RealSurgerymax @7zyzz7 @Racky

I think I agree. Would you say addicts have a high sensitivity to dopamine or a lower one? Either they feel it a lot and are compelled to intake more or they feel it so little that they need to take drugs. I've never been addicted to anything. I drop nicotine for months when I get bored of it. Listen to the same music and have never been competitive, no interest in video games. Whatever it is, it's a bad trait to have.

 

[BrahminBoss]

I think I agree. Would you say addicts have a high sensitivity to dopamine or a lower one? Either they feel it a lot and are compelled to intake more or they feel it so little that they need to take drugs. I've never been addicted to anything. I drop nicotine for months when I get bored of it. Listen to the same music and have never been competitive, no interest in video games. Whatever it is, it's a bad trait to have.

Scientists may say people with adhd get a huge dopamine spike from cigs and so that’s why cigs tend to be more addictive for them but is this reality? Nicotine may be the one thing that makes them return to baseline so the brain is striving to remember what caused this phenomenon( dopamine spike may simply be a way for the brain to remember the event that caused this feeling , dopamine itself is not that pleasurable) ,people w adhd or depression may smoke cigs throughout their life but it may not be cause of addiction but the fact that they are low inhibition and don’t care about their future. In fact the MAO gene that prevents dopamine and norepinephrine uptake is higher in adhd cels and depression cels , maybe cause they are wired to seek and take risks more? These are the people who change history not the guys who can drink a small cup of coffee and feel like the world is amazing( but perhaps a happy medium exists) So the adhdcels aren’t giving it up cos they are addicted my guess they probably wouldn’t even feel withdrawals that much since pain is essentially the negation of pleasure ( even baseline state of human beings is beautiful and intensely pleasurable according to mystics and sages) and normies feel the withdrawal of pleasure more acutely than adhd and depression cels ( just look at the articles of people saying 1 week no sex felt like hell)

@ropemax @Preston @JudgeandJury
@ReadBooksEveryday
@Xangsane
@polandball
@astatine @Niklaus Mikaelson @Seth Walsh
@JailedAristocrat @RealSurgerymax @7zyzz7 @Racky

 

[Deleted member 24278]

So what I am if I'm not addicted to anything. I've done weed, alcohol and tried cigs, juuls and shit but I've never craved them to the point of addiction, I could go my whole life without them and I'll be alright. I was a porn addict tho, hope I don't turn out like Ramirez

 

[ChiraqJihad]

I remember watching this show episode about Encephalitis lethargica, and how people with the illness, if they weren't comatose, had their brains damaged so that they were basically zombies who could walk, eat, expel waste, and do nothing else. Couldn't speak, and a temporary cure was L-Dopa, a drug that somehow increased dopamine concentration in the brain used for people with Parkinsons, so maybe these people just lacked dopamine in the right places. It's insane that lacking this could be the difference between being a normal person and someone who can do nothing but satisfy their most basic instinctual functions. A person with no motivational feelings, no biological reward system, is basically a zombie who cannot even muster the will to speak. Probably a vast simplification, but it's very interesting.

 

[Deleted member 20652]

Opiates feel better than amphetamines but without the neurotoxicity. I dont recommend doing drugs at all but if you still wanna do drugs atleast do non neurotoxic drugs

//Thomas DOM

 

[Shieda_Kayn]

Ig so. Stimulants is also up my alley more since it makes me want to do things while normies conception of relaxation is something like pot which dampens energy but to me pot makes me anxious and wired. In “mind and tissue” ray peat says there is something called an energy threshold where even inhibitory activities in the normal sense of the word such as sleep and relaxation require some amount of stored energy. Aka the cells must be ready to go if needs be but not too low energy - if it’s the latter the inhibitory process cannot be completed. Think of when you don’t sleep for a day or get depressed your cells lack ATP at this point but this should ostensibly seemingly mean u can drift off to sleep but in reality depression cels get very bad sleep / no sleep at all. Because their energy quota is lower the cells cannot sufficiently relax for example muscle extension becomes more instead of less tedious and muscle contraction become less tedious such as in the cases of rigid mortis @Nad @Shieda_Kayn

Table sugar > melatonin

 

[BrahminBoss]

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[Tallooksmaxxer]

Scientists may say people with adhd get a huge dopamine spike from cigs and so that’s why cigs tend to be more addictive for them but is this reality?

no tag no rep yakhi but cigarrettes didnt feel shit for me. i guess you gotta be addicted to nicotine to smoke that shit jfl what a shit taste it is.

 

[Magical Apple]

I remember watching this show episode about Encephalitis lethargica, and how people with the illness, if they weren't comatose, had their brains damaged so that they were basically zombies who could walk, eat, expel waste, and do nothing else. Couldn't speak, and a temporary cure was L-Dopa, a drug that somehow increased dopamine concentration in the brain used for people with Parkinsons, so maybe these people just lacked dopamine in the right places. It's insane that lacking this could be the difference between being a normal person and someone who can do nothing but satisfy their most basic instinctual functions. A person with no motivational feelings, no biological reward system, is basically a zombie who cannot even muster the will to speak. Probably a vast simplification, but it's very interesting.

fascinating tbh.

 

[Deleted member 19036]

yaaay im nt then

 

[TsarTsar444]

I dont find alcohol and benzos addictive a bit, in fact i find being sober more fun. But i love getting that norepinephrine rush, im a whore for it, would kill a whole sewege chinese village to able to feel constant norepinephrine pump