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Many men here overestimate the importance of attractiveness over personality because they are undersocialized
I know this forum tends towards posts that are accusatory of women instead of men so I'm sure this will get downvoted, but bear with me.
In my experience the men here who are "redpilled" or "blackpilled" base all of their opinions about women on social media and dating sites. Of COURSE women who use dating sites are only going to go for 10/10 chads. If you're given a pool to choose from where all you have to go off is a picture and a cheesy line of text, what else are you gonna base your choices off of aside from looks? If men were given the same extensive choices as women on dating apps they'd also go for the hottest women possible.
> But how am I supposed to meet women if not in dating sites? By building social connections and meeting them through friends/school/work?
Yes.
A lot of men here seem to be extremely online and have been since they were younger. I know you guys aren't fond of anecdotal evidence but generally speaking "uglier" men in my social groups do just fine as long as they have extensive social connections and are able to interact normally with women. I'm going to take a shot in the dark here and say that a lot of men on this subreddit don't hang out regularly IRL with a group of extroverted guys and don't regularly interact with women.
> Well yeah, I don't have many friends, but that's because nobody wants to be friends with an unattractive guy like me in the first place!
Physical appearance is a million times less of a factor when it comes to making friends than dating is. It's fair to say that even ugly guys are guaranteed not to have too much of a difficult time when it comes to making friends as long as they know how to present themselves. And this is your "in". Meet a lot of guys, some of these guys will be friends with gals and introduce you. This is how all men who don't use dating apps find relationships.
> Ummmm okay, so you're saying I just need to take a shower and improve my personality? Bullshit!
The problem with a lot of incels is that they're so far from having "good" personalities due to years of being online and not part of a community that they ARE kinda fucked in that category. I've met grown men who look just fine but have the social skills of a 7th grader, whose first topic of conversation is how they want to become a twitch streamer or what internet gurus they listen to. These guys could benefit from having better personalities but the problem is that they're so far behind that it'd take months or years to turn them into a guy who can intuitively attract women. Incels say that even if they're charming and confident they still stand zero chance against hotter guys. But I guarantee that if I were to meet some incels in real life, none of them would be even remotely close to charming or confident and it would take miracles to flip them. That being said I've met ugly and short guys who ARE charming and confident but they've spent their whole lives honing themselves to be that way instead of using the internet, and incels would not even remotely stand a chance against these dudes.
I'm not saying genetics aren't a factor. But people who say personality doesn't matter at all are just coping with the fact that they spend 5 hours a day posting on reddit and/or internet forums. I'm sure some dude is gonna respond to this saying "I DO have lots of friends and I still get no pussy" and to you, I am sorry. But I doubt most guys here have extensive social lives, even outside of getting pussy.
I know this forum tends towards posts that are accusatory of women instead of men so I'm sure this will get downvoted, but bear with me.
In my experience the men here who are "redpilled" or "blackpilled" base all of their opinions about women on social media and dating sites. Of COURSE women who use dating sites are only going to go for 10/10 chads. If you're given a pool to choose from where all you have to go off is a picture and a cheesy line of text, what else are you gonna base your choices off of aside from looks? If men were given the same extensive choices as women on dating apps they'd also go for the hottest women possible.
> But how am I supposed to meet women if not in dating sites? By building social connections and meeting them through friends/school/work?
Yes.
A lot of men here seem to be extremely online and have been since they were younger. I know you guys aren't fond of anecdotal evidence but generally speaking "uglier" men in my social groups do just fine as long as they have extensive social connections and are able to interact normally with women. I'm going to take a shot in the dark here and say that a lot of men on this subreddit don't hang out regularly IRL with a group of extroverted guys and don't regularly interact with women.
> Well yeah, I don't have many friends, but that's because nobody wants to be friends with an unattractive guy like me in the first place!
Physical appearance is a million times less of a factor when it comes to making friends than dating is. It's fair to say that even ugly guys are guaranteed not to have too much of a difficult time when it comes to making friends as long as they know how to present themselves. And this is your "in". Meet a lot of guys, some of these guys will be friends with gals and introduce you. This is how all men who don't use dating apps find relationships.
> Ummmm okay, so you're saying I just need to take a shower and improve my personality? Bullshit!
The problem with a lot of incels is that they're so far from having "good" personalities due to years of being online and not part of a community that they ARE kinda fucked in that category. I've met grown men who look just fine but have the social skills of a 7th grader, whose first topic of conversation is how they want to become a twitch streamer or what internet gurus they listen to. These guys could benefit from having better personalities but the problem is that they're so far behind that it'd take months or years to turn them into a guy who can intuitively attract women. Incels say that even if they're charming and confident they still stand zero chance against hotter guys. But I guarantee that if I were to meet some incels in real life, none of them would be even remotely close to charming or confident and it would take miracles to flip them. That being said I've met ugly and short guys who ARE charming and confident but they've spent their whole lives honing themselves to be that way instead of using the internet, and incels would not even remotely stand a chance against these dudes.
I'm not saying genetics aren't a factor. But people who say personality doesn't matter at all are just coping with the fact that they spend 5 hours a day posting on reddit and/or internet forums. I'm sure some dude is gonna respond to this saying "I DO have lots of friends and I still get no pussy" and to you, I am sorry. But I doubt most guys here have extensive social lives, even outside of getting pussy.
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