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[MACHETE]

height coperz are pathetic af

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

Thanks for all this water I was parched.

 

[Orc]

he's right.

there's no evidence suggesting growth hormone helps anyone besides people who've got legit diagnosable growth disorders.

 

[Napoleon1800]

Cope.

 

[reptiles]

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TLDR: Asymmetric division in the stem cell pool of chondroprogenitors in the local niche at the froth plates is the limiting step. Injecting dubious black market substances at mid to late teens when you have no deficiency or disorder isn't doing shit.


Doesn't matter tho, dumb manlet teens will keep potentially permanently fucking up their health for absolutely no change


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Retarded straw man HGH and AI proponents never said that it is inherently due to GH or AI but your genetic blue print is a fuck tonne higher with GH this much is a fact as this is 1 of the things that drive growth in puberty but what this guy doesn't tell you is GH can also delay the closure of growth plates helping to possible gain an extra inch or so

 

[bradpittshairline]

Retarded straw man HGH and AI proponents never said that it is inherently due to GH or AI but your genetic blue print is a fuck tonne higher with GH this much is a fact as this is 1 of the things that drive growth in puberty but what this guy doesn't tell you is GH can also delay the closure of growth plates helping to possible gain an extra inch or so

You still didnt get his point. It is too complicated to just throw blanket statements that this 1 hormone will increase height when its a hundred things in the background that affect height

 

[reptiles]

Looksmax.org rotter vs PhD scientist... who to trust?

You realize there are multiple phd scientists right ? this appealing to authority rather than looking at the science itself also I'm not denying what he's saying I'm saying he's not telling the full truth GH in patients at 14 before there plates are fissured will see height gain above what they naturally would get and GH helps delay the closure of there ephapisal growth plates

 

[reptiles]

You still didnt get his point. It is too complicated to just throw blanket statements that this 1 hormone will increase height when its a hundred things in the background that affect height

It's more like thousands of small genes combined in the womb and in adult hood the cartilage ossifies HGH is an intermediary factor that can help boost you beyond what you would have if you didn't get the treatment again he's kinda attacking a straw man a 6 guy might grow to 6 4 if he takes this at a high proportion of 10iu from 14 to 18 an 58 might grow to 6 foot more so than he would normally have and until we can test each individual gene and it's interactions with how it transcribes the effects on the cartilage and influences growth and closure of the growth plates this is the best you have.

 

[Donkeyballs]

give the source

 

[Worthlesshapa777]

but its called growth hormone :/

 

[Traxanas]

What's his name? Give a hint. I feel like I actually recognize his spelling errors.

Also no, HGH+AI has inches gained above final predicted height in a few studies. Don't rely on anyone's opinion without doing research yourself.

 

[Deleted member 29747]

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TLDR: Asymmetric division in the stem cell pool of chondroprogenitors in the local niche at the froth plates is the limiting step.



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Jfl if you listen to a doctors advice everyone knows against it
And what is you and @bradpittshairline ttkng against hieghtmsxxkngn

 

[Son of gigachad]

as someone quite advanced in biology myself, seems to me OP is propably right - but since many here are under 25 or so, lets get something clear for many doomcels that dont actually understand the darwinism they invoke, and for the impressionable folk they influence.

let us assume your maximum potential height is entirely predetermined by genetics - something that is extremely likely, but essentially unprovable.
if you think that the average modern diet and enviroment that is immensely toxic in 100 different ways is conducive to maximal epigenetic expression of said genes, you propably have some degree of severe brain damage, ironically from said toxicity.
inb4 richard ramirez ate only candy , 1. not actually true 2. sugar is actually potently androgenic in most contexts and 3. i seriously doubt you have his genetics.
healthmaxxing of any kind before plates fuse will, in all likelyhood at least, make you a bit or a lot taller. in fact, it will make you taller in a way that is proportional and androgen driven, widening your clavicles, especially if you have good posture. and of course, brain growth, voice depth, dick size and facial masculinization too. GH is a complicated molecule as most hormones are - but the knowledge that one must usually go above and beyond to have a healthy puberty nowadays isnt.

 

[Traxanas]

@DrTony

Could be a larp since it's the internet but given his posts, it seems legit.

DrTony? That guy is a retard on many subjects with a superiority complex. Just because you have a PhD on one doesn’t mean you’re qualified on everything.

Also what he said isn’t exactly false, HGH alone may not be enough and yes you’re mainly gonna accelerate growth than go past it, that’s why AIs are used in combination.

Randomized Trial of Aromatase Inhibitors, Growth Hormone, or Combination in Pubertal Boys with Idiopathic, Short Stature

Context:. Growth of short children in puberty is limited by the effect of estrogen on epiphyseal fusion.Objectives:. To compare: 1) the efficacy and safety

academic.oup.com

Here’s one source for HGH+AI.

76 ISS boys.

 

[Osie]

TLDR: Asymmetric division in the stem cell pool of chondroprogenitors in the local niche at the froth plates is the limiting step.


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Well, that's very interesting. But I must say, I think everybody understands that there's no definitive proof that heightmaxxing works through and through. Every height growth study recognizes this fact as whether the study goes well or not, it always concludes with the fact that the compound used (HGH, AI, IGF, etc) may or could possibly work to increase height in adolescents.

There's no stack that can be created that'll produce the same results for everyone and there's nothing that you'll guarantee to grow because of the stack since there's no possible way we can determine that.

AI's and HGH or any other potentially height-boosting compound do not bring you past your genetic limit or potential, but nobody knows their genetic limit or potential regardless. Nobody knows if that 5'6 18-year-old could've grown to 6 feet if he just slept more and was less overweight. Nobody knows what height you'll become regardless of your parents' height, as that's literally why there is a medically term called ISS (idiopathic short stature), much shorter than expected height for no medical or genetic reason.

However, these compounds can still help with accelerating or prolonging growth. Example, if you take an AI, you could potentially grow for longer due to delayed bone age, which should in theory lead to more growth (as we've seen in aromatase-deficient men), however, there's no guaranteed chance that it happens or that you can prove that unless you continually keep growing into adulthood after taking AI's since young, but why would there be any ethical study out there replicating that.

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

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“When you have advanced bone age”

Yea well that’s kinda the point, to do it before that

 

[Osie]

Well, that's very interesting. But I must say, I think everybody understands that there's no definitive proof that heightmaxxing works through and through. Every height growth study recognizes this fact as whether the study goes well or not, it always concludes with the fact that the compound used (HGH, AI, IGF, etc) may or could possibly work to increase height in adolescents.

There's no stack that can be created that'll produce the same results for everyone and there's nothing that you'll guarantee to grow because of the stack since there's no possible way we can determine that.

AI's and HGH or any other potentially height-boosting compound do not bring you past your genetic limit or potential, but nobody knows their genetic limit or potential regardless. Nobody knows if that 5'6 18-year-old could've grown to 6 feet if he just slept more and was less overweight. Nobody knows what height you'll become regardless of your parents' height, as that's literally why there is a medically term called ISS (idiopathic short stature), much shorter than expected height for no medical or genetic reason.

However, these compounds can still help with accelerating or prolonging growth. Example, if you take an AI, you could potentially grow for longer due to delayed bone age, which should in theory lead to more growth (as we've seen in aromatase-deficient men), however, there's no guaranteed chance that it happens or that you can prove that unless you continually keep growing into adulthood after taking AI's since young, but why would there be any ethical study out there replicating that.

Overall, heightmaxxing isn't cope for the reasons that the Ph.D. scientist that you are referring to stated, cause heightmaxxing was never supposed to be a way to hack your genetics lol. Everyone knows once your bone age is higher, the possibility of heightmaxxing even working is even less, nothing that he stated is something known or something that people who research it or want to do it don't understand.

The whole point of heightmaxxing is to maximize the hormonal profile and systems that are most correlated to longitudinal bone growth until you want to stop, The whole idea is based on what studies have shown to be possibly effective, so if the scientist has an issue with that, go argue with the endocrinologist that ran all the studies that are the basis of heightmaxxing

 

[Fgsfds]

HGH has been used for decades in *otherwise healthy* growing boys. It empirically grows them 2" on average higher than the control group.

Why read his retarded mental masturbation when you already know he's wrong?

 

[Whatashame]

The guy doesnt know how to write, is arrogant and tries to use difficult terms to look intelectual, honestly pathetic, he has all red flags

 

[tyronechadmax]

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Me after my 101th cup of milk and 63rd rep of sprinting hearing this faggot call it cope

 

[Osie]

as someone quite advanced in biology myself, seems to me OP is propably right - but since many here are under 25 or so, lets get something clear for many doomcels that dont actually understand the darwinism they invoke, and for the impressionable folk they influence.

let us assume your maximum potential height is entirely predetermined by genetics - something that is extremely likely, but essentially unprovable.
if you think that the average modern diet and enviroment that is immensely toxic in 100 different ways is conducive to maximal epigenetic expression of said genes, you propably have some degree of severe brain damage, ironically from said toxicity.
inb4 richard ramirez ate only candy , 1. not actually true 2. sugar is actually potently androgenic in most contexts and 3. i seriously doubt you have his genetics.
healthmaxxing of any kind before plates fuse will, in all likelyhood at least, make you a bit or a lot taller. in fact, it will make you taller in a way that is proportional and androgen driven, widening your clavicles, especially if you have good posture. and of course, brain growth, voice depth, dick size and facial masculinization too. GH is a complicated molecule as most hormones are - but the knowledge that one must usually go above and beyond to have a healthy puberty nowadays isnt.

The thing is, posts like these act like people are too stupid to realize that genetics play a factor. Obviously, genetics play a role and are the limiting factor. But it's not like there's some accurate way to know where genetics endpoint sets you for your height.
We can only play with the cards that we definitively know about, there literally wouldn't be any studies done analyzing the effects of HGH, AI, thyroid, vitamin D3, etc on height if genetics were the end all be all.

EDIT: this isn't in reference to OP

 

[bradpittshairline]

Jfl if you listen to a doctors advice everyone knows against it
And what is you and @bradpittshairline ttkng against hieghtmsxxkngn

It’s misealding lol 14 year olds here on mk

 

[Osie]

It’s misealding lol 14 year olds here on mk

fair point. Have had really young kids in my inbox, ready to potentially blow all of their money (or their parents) away, to take these really intense compounds without any proper medical supervision, just so they can grow taller lol.

 

[Outlier]

The guy doesnt know how to write, is arrogant and tries to use difficult terms to look intelectual, honestly pathetic, he has all red flags

That's what I noticed as well. He might be true, he might not. I have no idea about heightmaxxing, and have no inclination in doing so, but his blatant arrogance is off-putting. "I have been busy with actual research" and "But this requires some type of intellect". You can definitely tell he got a PHD not to further any science, but to brag about getting a PHD. He sounds like a mid-wit jfl.

 

[Deleted member 40986]

Stfu I took hgh and ai a year ago and grew 3 inches

 

[bradpittshairline]

Stfu I took hgh and ai a year ago and grew 3 inches

Russian roulette with health

 

[Outlier]

The arrogance seems understandable given the IQ of some of the posts of this forum imo lmao.

It's probably just lack of knowledge, and guidance (which he is giving them to his credit) that most users are lacking on that forum. Not a lack of IQ. You don't need to be a genius to understand biology. He just spent more time studying, and had better guidance on the subject from someone who is more knowledgeable then him. It's not as though he discovered all that he's writing about. IMO you shouldn't be arrogant when you yourself are just reiterating what someone else has already written about.

 

[awesomemc101]

cope i grew on Mk677 plates open = max hgh

 

[enchanted_elixir]

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I never recommended HGH injections even though I left it there for you guys lol. IGF-1, CJC-1295 with DAC, is what I recommend. etc.
But I hope everyone sees why I am so insecure about my guides. I don't truly know enough about the things I say to be writing heightmaxing guides my friends.

 

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who is this guy? how can i talk to him? if not, please tell him about this thread and what he thinks of it: https://looksmax.org/threads/full-g...-months-spinecels-and-torsocels-gtfih.453218/

this and microfractures.

 

[BoredPrince]

I never recommended HGH injections even though I left it there for you guys lol. IGF-1, CJC-1295, is what I recommend. etc.
But I hope everyone sees why I am so insecure about my guides. I don't truly know enough about the things I say to be writing heightmaxing guides my friends.

Curious why do you suggest peptides over HGH?

Especially since HGH injections are still used in medicine to help people grow taller

I'm taking CJC and mk rn, but if I had money for HGH, I would probably buy it first

 

[enchanted_elixir]

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Retitle the thread. He didn't say you couldn't increase your height, he mocked the legitimacy of the HGH and aromatase inhibitors people here take and that we don't understand how long bone growth enough to actually be getting results.

He says that you only have so many cell divisions to produce bone to get taller and that's what is establishing the upper ceiling of your growth and no matter how much you inject, you won't gain any more.

Heightmaxing isn't cope, it's just that we don't understand it enough.

I was thinking about researching the actual science of osteoblast and osteoclast and cell proliferation but I didn't. I probably should.

 

[barnmatrix]

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I can disprove this argument with one simple fact. Doctors prescribe HGH to kids with ISS!! ( Idiopathic Short Stature) Ie kids who have no medical issues, no deficiency in anything but are just short with no particular reason. If the kid has open plates and they are within the very bottom percentile of height, endocrinologists at least in the USA will prescribe them around 0.3 mg/kg of norditropin for example so they can meet a reasonable height. In the USA under 5'6 in predicted adult height is considered short enough to warrant a deployment of HGH and AIs by doctors.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Curious why do you suggest peptides over HGH?

Especially since HGH injections are still used in medicine to help people grow taller

I'm taking CJC and mk rn, but if I had money for HGH, I would probably buy it first

Peptides are better and cheaper. CJC elevates GH for up to a day.
HGH is short lived and expensive since it's pharmaceutical hormone.
MK-677 is a SARM by the way.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

I can disprove this argument with one simple fact. Doctors prescribe HGH to kids with ISS!! ( Idiopathic Short Stature) Ie kids who have no medical issues, no deficiency in anything but are just short with no particular reason. If the kid has open plates and they are within the very bottom percentile of height, endocrinologists at least in the USA will prescribe them around 0.3 mg/kg of norditropin for example so they can meet a reasonable height. In the USA under 5'6 in predicted adult height is considered short enough to warrant a deployment of HGH and AIs by doctors.

You didn't understand what he said. The man is saying that no matter how much you blast, you have a set amount of bone cell proliferation in your growth plates, once it runs out, all growth ceases despite how much HGH you inject.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

I can disprove this argument with one simple fact. Doctors prescribe HGH to kids with ISS!! ( Idiopathic Short Stature) Ie kids who have no medical issues, no deficiency in anything but are just short with no particular reason. If the kid has open plates and they are within the very bottom percentile of height, endocrinologists at least in the USA will prescribe them around 0.3 mg/kg of norditropin for example so they can meet a reasonable height. In the USA under 5'6 in predicted adult height is considered short enough to warrant a deployment of HGH and AIs by doctors.

I don't understand enough about this to find a solution or to figure out if IGF-1 can do something about it since it (encourages cell proliferation) or if we can fabricate our own stem cells and "load our bones" with stem cells, or anything I can spew right now.

 

[BoredPrince]

AI's and HGH or any other potentially height-boosting compound do not bring you past your genetic limit or potential, but nobody knows their genetic limit or potential regardless..

I mean I'm certainly no expert but for me logical conclusion is that if a person is still in puberty and their growth plates are open, and if they increase their GH and igf-1 levels double or even tenfold, then it certainly would have a positive impact on their growth

So heigmaxing guides that increase your GH (to significantly higher levels), are essentially a hack for your genetic potential

 

[BoredPrince]

Peptides are better and cheaper. CJC elevates GH for up to a day.
HGH is short lived and expensive since it's pharmaceutical hormone.
MK-677 is a SARM by the way.

Ah you're referring to regular CJC, I'm taking CJC DAC


I know mk 677 isn't a peptide, but it isn't a sarm either

It's growth hormone secretagogue, but it's commonly included in the SARMs group

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Well, that's very interesting. But I must say, I think everybody understands that there's no definitive proof that heightmaxxing works through and through. Every height growth study recognizes this fact as whether the study goes well or not, it always concludes with the fact that the compound used (HGH, AI, IGF, etc) may or could possibly work to increase height in adolescents.

There's no stack that can be created that'll produce the same results for everyone and there's nothing that you'll guarantee to grow because of the stack since there's no possible way we can determine that.

AI's and HGH or any other potentially height-boosting compound do not bring you past your genetic limit or potential, but nobody knows their genetic limit or potential regardless. Nobody knows if that 5'6 18-year-old could've grown to 6 feet if he just slept more and was less overweight. Nobody knows what height you'll become regardless of your parents' height, as that's literally why there is a medically term called ISS (idiopathic short stature), much shorter than expected height for no medical or genetic reason.

However, these compounds can still help with accelerating or prolonging growth. Example, if you take an AI, you could potentially grow for longer due to delayed bone age, which should in theory lead to more growth (as we've seen in aromatase-deficient men), however, there's no guaranteed chance that it happens or that you can prove that unless you continually keep growing into adulthood after taking AI's since young, but why would there be any ethical study out there replicating that.

Well if you got cell divisions left (according to the author), your plates are open and you're taking IGF-1 and aromatase inhibitors, there is literally no reason why you shouldn't grow. Biological and chemical logic would suggest that you're determined to grow.

If this Ph.D guy is indeed correct, I'll need to find a way to fix this.
I refuse to be sub 5'10.

But again, there's a lot of factors that go into if someone's going to grow and we don't have all the info.

But I do agree with "There's no stack that can be created that'll produce the same results for everyone and there's nothing that you'll guarantee to grow because of the stack since there's no possible way we can determine that. "

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Ah you're referring to regular CJC, I'm taking CJC DAC


I know mk 677 isn't a peptide, but it isn't a sarm either

It's growth hormone secretagogue, but it's commonly included in the SARMs group

CJC with DAC, not regular CJC.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

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Has he read my heightmaxing guide?

 

[BoredPrince]

CJC with DAC, not regular CJC.

Everything I read about CJC with DAC before taking it, said that it increases GH levels up to 8 days after injection

Probably not that long, but I believe it's longer than just one day

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Can you even found legit sources for that? lol


Idk. Since you seem invested wait for him to reply to the thread or whtver

peptidesciences is one of them.

 

[Osie]

Well if you got cell divisions left, your plates are open and you're taking IGF-1 and aromatase inhibitors, there is literally no reason why you shouldn't grow. Biological and chemical logic would suggest that you're determined to grow.

If this Ph.D guy is indeed correct, I'll need to find a way to fix this.
I refuse to be sub 5'10.

But again, there's a lot of factors that go into if someone's going to grow and we don't have all the info.

But I do agree with "There's no stack that can be created that'll produce the same results for everyone and there's nothing that you'll guarantee to grow because of the stack since there's no possible way we can determine that. "

Well, I think we both have the same idea here, I think I didn't clarify in my post enough. I don't think heightmaxxing is cope and has multiple studies to back it up. I just think the scientist guy was a little bit arrogant (from the way he was writing), acting as if people who are interested in the topic don't know that genetics exist and limit us inherently.

 

[Osie]

I mean I'm certainly no expert but for me logical conclusion is that if a person is still in puberty and their growth plates are open, and if they increase their GH and igf-1 levels double or even tenfold, then it certainly would have a positive impact on their growth

So heigmaxing guides that increase your GH (to significantly higher levels), are essentially a hack for your genetic potential

Well, you can interpret it like that. You aren't wrong. But, I already know that you are educated in terms of research for height growth. But if you are a young unexperienced kid who ran into the forum one day, I don't want people thinking that somehow a random guy on this relatively obscure forum has "cracked" the code to height growth, by saying you can surpass your genetics if you follow the protocols listed on here. Because for all we know, that kid potentially doesn't end up growing at all and feels his time and money is wasted.

 

[Deleted member 28722]

Looksmax.org rotter vs PhD scientist... who to trust?

This is apealing to authority, it just so happens there’s multiple PHD scientists who study this. Also, if you actually google what he’s saying there’s no literature that proves it at all to be true or even existing in the first place.

 

[Deleted member 28722]

every other thread here is about heightmaxxing bro

Hey bro. How do you even know this guy is a PHD? Lmao, Ozell isrealite claimed to be a PHD. Who is this guy? He’s actually the only one whose ever mentioned this point in any height growth literature over the years. Im serious, not once has it ever been mentioned at all. Can you provide some sources on where you found this?

 

[Whatashame]

The arrogance seems understandable given the IQ of some of the posts of this forum imo lmao.

people who are actually an expert in a subject or actually smart are the least arrogant. Dunning Kruger is real af. Just look the difference between interviews of average unis academics and top uni academics (Harvard for example).

 

[shredded4summer]

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did you think forums created the idea of hgh and ai? they have been prescribed by doctors to people that a short for DECADES. both you and him don’t know what you’re talking about