philosophy of mind

[taai]

i like hegel more than marx tbh, not even because i dislike marx metaphysics (even though i think it's wrong), but because marx was full of hatred

"Just end philosophy" brutal

 

[Cinnamon fan64]

 

[theRetard]

"Just end philosophy" brutal

mogged kant as well

 

[taai]

"Just end philosophy" brutal

Just die tragically in 1 day after your nurse wife infects you with chollera

 

[lucifer88]

Just die tragically in 1 day after your nurse wife infects you with chollera

bitch ass nigger

 

[Cinnamon fan64]

i didnt understand most of it but since ur smart i assume its highiq
good thread

 

[lucifer88]

XD

 

[Cinnamon fan64]

(monistic) solipsism,
dualism
Panpsychism
neutral monism
double-aspect monism

i cant understand

 

[somewhatsuffering]

just dont think too hard

 

[theRetard]

i cant understand

you can Google those terms

 

[irrumator praetor]

If consciousness is neurons

Retarded statement, consciousness is all life

 

[theRetard]

Retarded statement, consciousness is all life

read further bro i debunked that shit

 

[irrumator praetor]

So physicalism

how did u conclude this

 

[Luca_.]

The only coherent philosophy here is double-aspect monism
@Aristotélēs @unstable @foidletslayer

nigga tagged Aristotle

 

[theRetard]

how did u conclude this

do you have that causality category in your reason? if you don't then i understand why you are asking such retarded questions

 

[irrumator praetor]

The only coherent philosophy here is double-aspect monism

mental is the physical and theres nothing except the physical

 

[irrumator praetor]

do you have that causality category in your reason? if you don't then i understand why you are asking such retarded questions

ok physicalism is correct and the monism bs u believe is retarded

 

[theRetard]

mental is the physical and theres nothing except the physical

then your shitty statement is also only physical, those letters and words are just glowing lights on the screen that don't mean anything

 

[irrumator praetor]

then your shitty statement is also only physical, those letters and words are just glowing lights on the screen that don't mean anything

yes

 

[irrumator praetor]

then your shitty statement is also only physical, those letters and words are just glowing lights on the screen that don't mean anything

they mean what our physical brain interprets

 

[theRetard]

ok physicalism is correct and the monism bs u believe is retarded

they mean what our physical brain interprets

"muh muh physicalism is correct and monism is bullshit just because i said so i don't even understand that physicalism is literally a certain type of monism"

 

[irrumator praetor]

"muh muh physicalism is correct and monism is bullshit just because i said so i don't even understand that physicalism is literally a certain type of monism"

dgaf point stands

 

[theRetard]

they mean what our physical brain interprets

then how physical neurons interpret it if mental basically does not exist in your low iq world view?

dgaf point stands

no it doesn't, physicalism is literally materialistic monism

 

[Klasik616]

how did evolution (that is the physical change of species) create mental?

Mental changes are physical and viceversa. Mind and body aren't different things. When an species adapts, it also changes their consciousness level providing them with certain organs of the body cappable of surviving, such as how certain turtles can change their color to the ecosystem they're in, this movement is natural and not magical, their genes change and the best fit genes remain, we can consider genes as a natural intelligence. Biology ≠ physicalism.

 

[irrumator praetor]

then how physical neurons interpret

electrical signals

if mental basically does not exist in your low iq world view?

wtf does this even imply nigger? Does your brain exist? Whats your brain? The brain is physical. What, you think your memories are ethereal? They're electricity

no it doesn't, physicalism is literally materialistic monism

i said, whatever tf u believe in is probably BS and physicalism isn't

 

[theRetard]

electrical signals

wtf does this even imply nigger? Does your brain exist? Whats your brain? The brain is physical. What, you think your memories are ethereal? They're electricity

"electrical signals become subjective experience just because i said so, i wont explain why"

i said, whatever tf u believe in is probably BS and physicalism isn't

"it's bullshit just because i said so, i wont explain why"

Mental changes are physical and viceversa. Mind and body aren't different things. When an species adapts, it also changes their consciousness level providing them with certain organs of the body cappable of surviving, such as how certain turtles can change their color to the ecosystem they're in, this movement is natural and not magical, their genes change and the best fit genes remain, we can consider genes as a natural intelligence.

mental changes can't be physical, it's absurd.
although i agree that mind and body aren't 2 different substances

 

[irrumator praetor]

"electrical signals become subjective experience just because i said so, i wont explain why"

because you have a unique position in space time, wtf u want me to explain subjectivity lmfao what?

"it's bullshit just because i said so, i wont explain why"

it just sounds like a load of bullshit lmfao muh physical and mental. How tf is that shit even equal? I feel like im reading some new age spirituality bullshit, niggers talking about emerald tablets and shit.

mental changes can't be physical, it's absurd.

physical changes become mental changes

 

[theRetard]

because you have a unique position in space time, wtf u want me to explain subjectivity lmfao what?

"a rock has a unique position in space time but according to me he has subjective experience"

it just sounds like a load of bullshit lmfao muh physical and mental. How tf is that shit even equal? I feel like im reading some new age spirituality bullshit, niggers talking about emerald tablets and shit.

"it's all bullshit just because i said so, i don't even understand that if mental/spiritual/abstract things don't exist, then my retarded statement doesn't exist too because logic is abstract, so as thoughts and ideas, basically i'm saying that I don't exist"

physical changes become mental changes

"physical changes become mental changes just because i said so, i wont explain how exactly because i cannot"

 

[Klasik616]

"electrical signals become subjective experience just because i said so, i wont explain why"

"it's bullshit just because i said so, i wont explain why"

mental changes can't be physical, it's absurd.
although i agree that mind and body aren't 2 different substances

Because your definition of physical is not a living being, a living being has consciousness necessarily, that's "living" and is different from others "being or entity". That includes their mental aspects since mind and body aren't separated and depend on each other, this dualism is just a cartesian remainder. The whole debate on physicalism and idealism is retarded because in nature sciences aren't separated, for example chemistry and biology work together. Physics can help too but physics in is another paradigm right now. Plants and animals are alive, they just have different grades of consciousness and that consciousness is affected by their own body and organs they use, such as birds being able to feel the magnetic field of the earth or our 5 human senses that still work in dreams. Like when gestalt was against cognitivism in psychology, these "differences" don't happen in real life, it's just the struggle to choose one method to describe reality. Once we get the right method, science will begin to relate to the human experience again. Your whole argument "physical ≠ mental" is a cartesian flaw that died a long time ago with Hegel and post hegelian Schelling. Once we get more knowledge, science will prove panpsychism. I can't believe how phenomenology isn't popular, when it is the first contemporary philosophical movement that erased the "subject-object" discussion.

 

[irrumator praetor]

"a rock has a unique position in space time but according to me he has subjective experience"

define subjective experience. For this example, you chose something that isn't an organism that is alive. The only way you can argue a rock is "alive" is on a micro-level. Its not an organism. A puppy can have subjective experience, for example. Or a lion etc. Even bugs.

"it's all bullshit just because i said so, i don't even understand that if mental/spirital/abstact things don't exist, then my retarded statement doesn't exist too because logic is abstract, so as thoughts and ideas, basically i'm saying that I don't exist"

ok i see that you might be a spirituality and/or morality coper, so I'll take this slowly. Yes my statements don't exist outside you reading them and interpreting them on this forum, and outside the servers the 1's and 0's are stored in. Yes, we use abstract nonexistent shit because its domain of existence is only within our heads. Outside our heads, this shit doesn't exist. "I don't exist", depends how you define "I". You don't exist outside your own body. You cannot be defined outside your flesh. You don't go to heaven, lmfao, or hell, you're already in heaven or hell, depending on your social status (offtopic so I'll stop here lmfao). If I died tomorrow, I would stop existing as you would define me, yes.

i wont explain how exactly because i cannot"

evolution

 

[theRetard]

Because your definition of physical is not a living being, a living being has consciousness necessarily, that's "living" and is different from others "being or entity". That includes their mental aspects since mind and body aren't separated and depend on each other, this dualism is just a cartesian remainder. The whole debate on physicalism and idealism is retarded because in nature sciences aren't separated, for example chemistry and biology work together. Physics can help too but physics in is another paradigm right now. Plants and animals are alive, they just have different grades of consciousness and that consciousness is affected by their own body and organs they use, such as birds being able to feel the magnetic field of the earth or our 5 human senses that still work in dreams. Like when gestalt was against cognitivism in psychology, these "differences" don't happen in real life. Once we get the right method, science will begin to relate to the human experience again. Your whole argument "physical ≠ mental" is a cartesian flaw that died a long time ago with Hegel and Schelling.

physical=/=mental is pretty obvious, otherwise rocks have consciousness but you exclude non-living being for some reason although they perfectly fit in your definition lol, it's really weird and in this thread i already debunked panpsychism. And stop calling me a dualist/cartesiam. I'm literally a monist

 

[irrumator praetor]

they perfectly fit in your definition

every alive organism has consciousness*

 

[theRetard]

define subjective experience. For this example, you chose something that isn't an organism that is alive. The only way you can argue a rock is "alive" is on a micro-level. Its not an organism. A puppy can have subjective experience, for example. Or a lion etc. Even bugs.

"i don't even know what subjective experience is but i will continue that debate even though i'm very fucking ignorant here"

ok i see that you might be a spirituality and/or morality coper, so I'll take this slowly. Yes my statements don't exist outside you reading them and interpreting them on this forum, and outside the servers the 1's and 0's are stored in. Yes, we use abstract nonexistent shit because its domain of existence is only within our heads. Outside our heads, this shit doesn't exist. "I don't exist", depends how you define "I". You don't exist outside your own body. You cannot be defined outside your flesh. You don't go to heaven, lmfao, or hell, you're already in heaven or hell, depending on your social status (offtopic so I'll stop here lmfao). If I died tomorrow, I would stop existing as you would define me, yes.

"muh muh you are just spiritual and moral coper it's all cope just because i said so and if all that outside from our heads do not exist, then this statement is only some subjectivist shit and cannot be objective truth"

evolution

"evolution said so but it wont explain how exactly biolotical physical things become mental"

every alive organism has consciousness*

"every alive organism has consciosness just because i said so, rocks do not even though that dude said that physical=mental"

 

[Klasik616]

physical=/=mental is pretty obvious, otherwise rocks have consciousness but you exclude non-living being for some reason although they perfectly fit in your definition lol, it's really weird and in this thread i already debunked panpsychism. And stop calling me a dualist/cartesiam. I'm literally a monist

Material forms or expressions aren't living beings therefore they don't have any grade or consciousness or entity, a "rock" is not a being in the same way a group of rocks aren't beings as well, they just have a different composition like that also happens with fields, a "planet" is not a being since it has no organs or a totalitarian system, everything that happens on earth works differently, for example the movement of the sea is not related to the movements of the interior of the earth, these aren't living beings as they don't seek a purpose or have freedom. I describe consciousness in those who are living beings and this consciousness is no different from their body. Natural forms that only have a body or material substance aren't entities. I call you cartesian when you say that in humans mental ≠ physical for the argument I made since the first reply. Aristotle and metaphysics obviously wasn't gonna make it into a natural philosophy debate because if your philosophy of mind is not congruent with the current discoveries of science, you're wrong and in the wrong path. So you must accept atleast that in living beings, the idea of a mental substance is retarded and I preffer not to make a difference of body from mind since all organs need a direction made by the central nervous system and a being can't just be mental because it would have no task to do, not even thoughts.

 

[theRetard]

Material forms or expressions aren't living beings therefore they don't have any grade or consciousness or entity, a "rock" is not a being in the same way a group of rocks aren't beings as well, they just have a different composition like that also happens with fields, a "planet" is not a being since it has no organs or a totalitarian system, everything that happens on earth works differently, for example the movement of the sea is not related to the movements of the interior of the earth, these aren't living beings as they don't seek a purpose or have freedom. I describe consciousness in those who are living beings and this consciousness is no different from their body. Natural forms that only have a body or material substance aren't entities. I call you cartesian when you say that in humans mental ≠ physical for the argument I made since the first reply. Aristotle and metaphysics obviously wasn't gonna make it into a natural philosophy debate because if your philosophy of mind is not congruent with the current discoveries of science, you're wrong and in the wrong path. So you must accept atleast that in living beings, the idea of a mental substance is retarded.

well it's literally my position that i explain in this thread (double aspect monism)

 

[Klasik616]

well it's literally my position that i explain in this thread (double aspect monism)

Then I agree, read some phenomenology too they are against physicalists and classic empirists (they are a type of reformed empirists).

 

[irrumator praetor]

what subjective experience is

retained memory of an organism

then this statement is only some subjectivist shit and cannot be objective truth

well you haven't disproven me yet

evolution said so but it wont explain how exactly biolotical physical things become mental

it does lmfao what has this devolved into

every alive organism has consciosness just because i said so

as we define it

rocks do not even though that dude said that physical=mental

this is the point where your argumentation dissolves into utter shit. GG

 

[Klasik616]

retained memory of an organism


well you haven't disproven me yet


it does lmfao what has this devolved into


as we define it


this is the point where your argumentation dissolves into utter shit. GG

He's just coping at this point, he has read so much philosophy but never opened a book of biology. So can't form a philosophy that includes science in it although there are many.

 

[theRetard]

retained memory of an organism


well you haven't disproven me yet


it does lmfao what has this devolved into


as we define it


this is the point where your argumentation dissolves into utter shit. GG

what an incoherent word bunch

 

[irrumator praetor]

what an incoherent word bunch

the "I can't understand you anymore" card has been pulled... So Im speaking an alien language now that you're wrong? Checks out

 

[irrumator praetor]

what an incoherent word bunch

did my reply ban bro

 

[unstable]

He's just coping at this point, he has read so much philosophy but never opened a book of biology. So can't form a philosophy that includes science in it although there are many.

do you also believe that consciousness arises in hippocampus

 

[Klasik616]

do you also believe that consciousness arises in hippocampus

Depends more on the brainstem and talamus.