Pickup art is legit (playing devil's advocate)

[uglynihilist]

For me pickup and getting women is comparable to sales.

You have a product that can be either something of real high quality and what everyone knows is valuable. Like a Ferrari
You don't have to be a great salesman to sell it. Whoever has enough cash for it and comes to your dealership couldn't give less fucks about you telling him what a great car it is. EVERYONE ALREADY KNOW. THEY CAN SEE IT. They know that the product is impeccable so no need to persuade anyone. And this is same as being a Chad
Girls already know that you are valuable and something they want. Just shut the fuck up and keep lookin pretty boyo.

Now imagine you have this rusty piece of shit 40 year old Corolla Imagine that most of the shit inside it is either broken or about to broke down. Now try selling this! No way you can sell this shit, cause it's just a complete trash (same as your genes). No matter how skillful your selling pitches are gonna be or how many people you gonna show it to. It's just a piece of junk that will never get sold unless you fix it or even rebuilt from scratch.


And now the interesting part.
Most cars on the road are neither Ferrarri nor a 80's corolla
Most cars are average. Some on a high tier end of spectrum and some on the low tier. And they are really the ones that need a good salesman.

Example:
Young family with an average income comes to your dealership. They are looking to buy a Dodge Caravan (average car that has lot's of competitors on the market)

Now you can assign them this quite, awkward and inexperienced guy.
OR
You can send your best closer who's been in business for 10+ years and did it thousands of times.

You will have drastically different results!

What is the conclusion?

Pickup works best for normies+. Once you are average it is hyper competitive. Everything below is out of competition and everything above is above the competitors.
Pickup works best for normie guys to get normie girls just by spamming their sales attempts each time trying to improve their pitch.

Where pickup doesn't work at all is with complete genetic trash! Your product is so bad that you just can't sell it and all you have left is trying to improve it until it's acceptable
OR

 

[Deleted member 5189]

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[eduardkoopman]

For me pickup and getting women is comparable to sales.

DO pickup artist coaches give good sales advice though??

Plenty pickup artists. basically say to not worry about the looks of the product (you).

Whereas any sales person asks first when to sell something.
is the product good? Does it look fgood? Is it in high demand already?
But that's of no concern according to Redpill Dating Coaches, it's all about sales quality skill (game).

Aka, basically beleiving.
They can sell as many shitphones, with great sales.
As someone selling apple phones, but is kinda bad at sales.

https://looksmax.org/threads/this-m...emblance-with-dating-chatting-up-women.90599/

 

[BigJimsWornOutTires]

Very well observation and (anal)ogy. And some women prefer motorcycles. As to risky and dangerous men. Not those old fat fucks on bikes trying to look tough. But dangerous bad boys. Then there are the few that's broke and will settle for a piece of shit Soul or Ford.

And ofc, you have the weirdo women seeking skateboards or bicycles. Ugh. Usually, those are the teachers.

 

[Deleted member 2729]

For me pickup and getting women is comparable to sales.

You have a product that can be either something of real high quality and what everyone knows is valuable. Like a Ferrari
You don't have to be a great salesman to sell it. Whoever has enough cash for it and comes to your dealership couldn't give less fucks about you telling him what a great car it is. EVERYONE ALREADY KNOW. THEY CAN SEE IT. They know that the product is impeccable so no need to persuade anyone. And this is same as being a Chad
Girls already know that you are valuable and something they want. Just shut the fuck up and keep lookin pretty boyo.

Now imagine you have this rusty piece of shit 40 year old Corolla Imagine that most of the shit inside it is either broken or about to broke down. Now try selling this! No way you can sell this shit, cause it's just a complete trash (same as your genes). No matter how skillful your selling pitches are gonna be or how many people you gonna show it to. It's just a piece of junk that will never get sold unless you fix it or even rebuilt from scratch.


And now the interesting part.
Most cars on the road are neither Ferrarri nor a 80's corolla
Most cars are average. Some on a high tier end of spectrum and some on the low tier. And they are really the ones that need a good salesman.

Example:
Young family with an average income comes to your dealership. They are looking to buy a Dodge Caravan (average car that has lot's of competitors on the market)

Now you can assign them this quite, awkward and inexperienced guy.
OR
You can send your best closer who's been in business for 10+ years and did it thousands of times.

You will have drastically different results!

What is the conclusion?

Pickup works best for normies+. Once you are average it is hyper competitive. Everything below is out of competition and everything above is above the competitors.
Pickup works best for normie guys to get normie girls just by spamming their sales attempts each time trying to improve their pitch.

Where pickup doesn't work at all is with complete genetic trash! Your product is so bad that you just can't sell it and all you have left is trying to improve it until it's acceptable
OR

what do you think people here are. normies or fucking incels jfl j fl

 

[Enfant terrible]

 

[uglynihilist]

DO pickup artist coaches give good sales advice though??

Plenty pickup artists. basically say to not worry about the looks of the product (you).

Whereas any sales person asks first when to sell something.
is the product good? Does it look fgood? Is it in high demand already?
But that's of no concern according to Redpill Dating Coaches, it's all about sales quality skill (game).

Aka, basically beleiving.
They can sell as many shitphones, with great sales.
As someone selling apple phones, but is kinda bad at sales.

https://looksmax.org/threads/this-m...emblance-with-dating-chatting-up-women.90599/

Man, people just come to them and bring cash. Are they retarded not to take it? I'm pretty sure they low key know that when a subhuman show's up on a bootcamp that it will be a shit show. Someone who is blackpilled and virtuous enough can probably just point him at looks and tell him what he can fix until and give the money back, but people ain't shit so as long as they bring cash coaches will take it.

 

[uglynihilist]

what do you think people here are. normies or fucking incels jfl j fl

it's 2021, most normies are incels

 

[Deleted member 2729]

it's 2021, most normies are incels

Maybe but it's not because they don't know pickup

 

[eduardkoopman]

Man, people just come to them and bring cash. Are they retarded not to take it? I'm pretty sure they low key know that when a subhuman show's up on a bootcamp that it will be a shit show. Someone who is blackpilled and virtuous enough can probably just point him at looks and tell him what he can fix until and give the money back, but people ain't shit so as long as they bring cash coaches will take it.

the concept of perfecting ones sales/pick up art; is good imo.
I think though, in the places, forums where pcikup art is discusse an thought; the suggested sales advice is kinda bad or just bad. At least it was in my time. Often it was better than nromies blue piller advice, which was like: wait she comes to you, or shouting/wistling from the car, or corny pickup lines, or waiting when drunk enough to get a sloppy drunk sex happening, etc...
But good sales training, mogged pua community given advice.

Aka. imo. get your "pick up art" suggestons, from sales training and sales forums and sales places. And not from the PUA community.

The PUA community, will maybe advice you to just hold frame, and give the car another wash; when yoi try to sell that shitty 1980's toyota whatevers.

What is basic sales.
1, Identify customer needs and wants. or in pickup, identify is she needs/wants a new man for either or both LTRor ONS type of thing.
2, If no, exit.
3. if yes, than it's about figuring our if you meet the criteria's she has. First, check if you meet her looks criteria?
4. If no. exit/over.
5. if yes. Yeah sales than matters in that; IF you pass the minimum looks criteria.

LOL @ PUA's re-engaging when a woman is telling/showing "no", on point 1. Or a woman telling"no" on point 3.
WTF?
pua's keep plowing through celar signs of NO, not interested.
It's like a person on the street pestering me over and over again, for selling a car. WHEN i own a car I love, and I am NOT in the market for another car even.

 

[uglynihilist]

the concept of perfecting ones sales/pick up art; is good imo.
I think though, in the places, forums where pcikup art is discusse an thought; the suggested sales advice is kinda bad or just bad. At least it was in my time. Often it was better than nromies blue piller advice, which was like: wait she comes to you, or shouting/wistling from the car, or corny pickup lines, or waiting when drunk enough to get a sloppy drunk sex happening, etc...
But good sales training, mogged pua community given advice.

Aka. imo. get your "pick up art" suggestons, from sales training and sales forums and sales places. And not from the PUA community.

The PUA community, will maybe advice you to just hold frame, and give the car another wash; when yoi try to sell that shitty 1980's toyota whatevers.

What is basic sales.
1, Identify customer needs and wants. or in pickup, identify is she needs/wants a new man for either or both LTRor ONS type of thing.
2, If no, exit.
3. if yes, than it's about figuring our if you meet the criteria's she has. First, check if you meet her looks criteria?
4. If no. exit/over.
5. if yes. Yeah sales than matters in that; IF you pass the minimum looks criteria.

LOL @ PUA's re-engaging when a woman is telling/showing "no", on point 1. Or a woman telling"no" on point 3.
WTF?
pua's keep plowing through celar signs of NO, not interested.
It's like a person on the street pestering me over and over again, for selling a car. WHEN i own a car I love, and I am NOT in the market for another car even.

idk man, that's some pussy sales strategy, ngl. You probably never had an indian guy trying to sell you an old corolla
Btw my dad cold approached my mom and she rejected him initially but he persisted just so 26 years later some subhuman can shitpost about it from his basement

 

[eduardkoopman]

You probably never had an indian guy trying to sell you an old corolla

true that

Btw my dad cold approached my mom and she rejected him initially but he persisted just so 26 years later some subhuman can shitpost about it from his basement

Exceptions exist. Most people that get rejected initially, don't end up with that person.
Obviouly one can always try, and roll the dice when odds are bad.

But I think, most don't like it to go full persistence and keep ignoring rejections/no's and just keep plowing.

Dating is an activity in free time. So having some fun with it, and it not being giga brutals and painstacking; because one keep plawing when a girl blatently rejects you at first glance. Is legit also, to want it to be a little bit of fun, or not giga bad..

 

[eduardkoopman]

idk man, that's some pussy sales strategy, ngl. You probably never had an indian guy trying to sell you an old corolla

i don't think, it's adviseale to be like this. because of plenty reasons.

And advise guys, to approach women like an indian guy trying to make a sale.