(PICS) Definitively documenting years of bonesmashing changes + Protocol | All denial ends here tbh

[birthdefect]

Good results, a way to debunk the filler accusations would be to inject some hyaluronidase in the areas where you saw improvement, there will be some hollowing for a day or two before your body gets back it's natural HA, but it'll be perfect evidence for you if you're planning on marketing this / gaining credibility in the community.

if you guys could touch my chin youd realise it work

 

[Orka]

if you guys could touch my chin youd realise it work

big nigga

filler feels like bones

if you touched my chin you'd also think it was bone, but it's not

 

[birthdefect]

big nigga

filler feels like bones

if you touched my chin you'd also think it was bone, but it's not

yea but im a bitch ass nigga whos not doing filler
could scar tissue feel just like surrounding bone?

 

[sigmablud42069]

*This is a repost with permission – old one got deleted yesterday due to me having had other bonesmashing transformation posts in my history already. Shoutout to @Aryan Incel for getting them deleted so that I could repost this without violating any rules.
Because those posts were more basic before-afters. Whereas this is a definitive documentation of my face changes over 5 years and 5 periods of bonesmashing with commentary on the timeline and what I was doing and is a lot more valuable for people to see. This took many hours to compile.
Goals: promote real discussion; making this a legit method people are willing to try so they can get changes like me, Androgenic, Blake Speaks, and other users

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There are 4 main types of copers/deniers here that will be destroyed: ​

-1: "You just got leaner". Laughably proven false with shredded physique pics at different stages below where I was still boneless or had only developed one area

-2. "There are no real changes". Idek what to say to this lmao

-3. "Filler". Ig this can't be totally debunked. Yet, I grew my cheekbones and chin and jaw at DIFFERENT TIMES; wouldn't any non-retarded aesthetician, when consulting with me, tell me to do multiple areas at once for balance? Further, the unevenness at the bottom of my chin, which was blatant before and minimal now: why would I have waited to fill that for so long?
Second to last, pics from after making my cheekbones wider but while jaw was still narrow are included and look so uncanny: why would a professional let me fill the sides of them and kill my ratios like this? Also, permanent skin damage about the submalar area which isn't in the before pics and which is shown at the end.
And last, these changes were so gradual with so many pics as points of reference that it would have required like 10+ tiny filler sessions to fraud this so incrementally; even @Cheat_Win accumulated his insane lower third results with less sessions than this.

-4. "Puberty changes", "changes from PED androgenicity", etc. -Clearly not my case, starting this at 19, having different bones develop at different times depending on when I focused on them, gains coming mostly after PEDs, etc. And jaw corners changes almost entirely being within the last 2 months at age 23.

That being said, if you want to believe this is in some way faked, then idk what to say: but why should a way higher burden of proof be placed on this than on other posts on this site? Just because few have done this long enough and properly so as to get results? It says something that Androgenic and Blake Speaks are s-tier intellects in this space and are really the few to advocate for the efficacy of this. Though this likely works via scar tissue deposition accumulation and not subperiostal hematoma ossification

I am open to thoughtful users wanting to try to attribute my results to other things; I am not to those who arrogantly want to shut down discussion. Isn't the purpose of this an intellectually-humble scientific-mindset approach to looks improvement? Anyone thinking they can a priori "debunk" bonesmashing, because it is just "too crazy", does not have the type of open-mindedness needed to accomplish anything and will be behind the curve on things

I am getting a bunch of interested people to run my exact protocol so there will soon be an abundance of success case studies and this will be in the same respectability bucket, at least in the looksmax space, as going to the gym to build muscle

Should you do filler etc. instead?
I'm glad how this worked out for me and it it nice that, whether it is ossification via subperiostal hematomas or just hard scar tissue deposition buildup, that it feels like "my" bones and is permanent, but fillers ofc work.

As far as the time issue, even though this whole progression below SPANS ALMOST 5 YEARS, I was only doing this, let alone doing it properly, for a fraction of this period; I'm confident gains can be made in months since I have done this for chin and cheekbones and now jaw in the more productive periods of this.

Asymmetry: in my case I used it to FIX my chin asymmetry, and my jaw corners asymmetry, with strategically addressing it rn, is getting more and more balanced as well. Of all the possible risks and issues that come along with this, asymmetry isn't near the top imo.


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START. Late 2021, before any bonesmashing. 5.5-6/10 looks. Not a great baseline.​

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Narrow and pointier chin with clear unevenness at the bottom. Low cheekbone mass. Undefined jaw corner area with the ramus and gonions not wide enough for an aesthetic lower third.
-used FaceApp beard “shaven” filter to remove a little scruffy facial hair in some of these pics so it does not obscure the bone structure situation at all

Physique at the time. Since we are fully dismantling ALL copes: including “you just got leaner” and “filler” and all else:

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Now, even if I have been slightly less lean than this at times in recent months, my chin mass and cheekbones and lower third are still way more prominent and defined; here, I was relatively boneless even at this bodyfat due to these areas just not being that developed. More shredded boneless pics later.


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PHASE 1/5 BONESMASHING, early 2022 (around Feburary-July):​

Find out about bonesmashing through some combo of mewing content (maybe the mewing subreddit iirc) and Indigenous Swiss on YouTube (now deleted) – basically the only guy discussing it and with vids on it.

He claimed results from it and sold a couple courses related to it which I purchased. Since for one reason or another he seemed to want to erase himself from the internet, I won’t be sharing his transformation pics or books. But this was my start.

Bonesmashed for several months starting sometime early 2022: chin all over, cheekbones all over, jaw all over (including the mandible body itself, which I don’t recommend.

I WAS BLOATED TO HELL ON ROIDS (maybe a 4/10 or 5/10). I've been legit high-sub5 before, horrible face and bad skin in some moments. Generally like 15% bodyfat and lots of water retention from both diet and the PEDs. Thus, I could not fully see my underlying structure and ratios and what areas to really work on and how. I was hitting all over the cheekbones: not just the middle/upper parts, but the bottom too and the outer sides, leading to them in the present being a bit more bulbous/lower and WIDER than is ideal, hurting my harmony a bit. And, with my lower third width work only really starting at the beginning of 2026, my narrower lower third relative to the cheekbones was a harmony issue for sure.

-unattractive normie disaster with poor skin, totally invisible to girls, looking way older than my age at the time, etc.:
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STOPPED this first run of bonesmashing near the end of summer 2022: I think I was still too bloated to really see results / if they were happening and was discouraged. “Am I fucking insane/retarded for doing this? Is this a ridiculous cope that I’ve been spending a few mins on most days per week for months now?”

From this first run of bonesmashing, I developed some cheekbone mass and width (as revealed when leaner) but not noticeable changes on chin/jaw. I was overall doing it about every other day or every 2 days per Wolff’s Law-based ideas about this at the time – and I think this is dramatically inferior to doing daily, even if the sessions were longer and with harder hits. And also, the suboptimal frequency notwithstanding, I think this stuff also just takes TIME.

*Since cheekbones pool so well and don't recover right away, it seems they are the bone that can grow with lower frequency whereas if you keep letting the swelling on other spots die down between sessions then idk if you will get results efficiently or at all*

So, from late summer 2022 when I stopped phase 1 to early 2024 when phase 2 began, I didn’t do it.

SUMMER 2023, when I was slightly less bloated than usual but still like 11-12% and with PEDs bloat. LOOK HOW WIDE MY CHEEKBONES ARE WTF (also I think I had done a one-off bonesmashing session all over a couple days before for pump swelling purposes, so I think my chin was slightly more prominent-looking in these than it really was at the time around then):
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I'm like 6/10 in these at most rly

Vs. late 2021 below again before any bonesmashing...
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Again, this is SERIOUS stuff when it can’t be dissolved like filler, so you need to be SHREDDED so you fully see what you are doing and need to be very aware of how your ratios/features stand, etc.

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PHASE 2/5 of BONESMASHING:​

EARLY 2024 was the SECOND phase of bonesmashing. I don’t think it lasted very long: maybe a few weeks. I did cheekbones again and focused more on chin. I still wasn’t aware enough of how to objectively assess my needs in order to realize that squaring up the gonions-ramus area should have been a major priority, but I think I still targeted this area some.

Why did I stop again? Even though the swelling pump is motivating, I again wondered if I was crazy, if this was cope, etc. What a HUGE DISADVANTAGE to be double-minded about this during every session and to be unable to fully put your heart into the endeavor, not knowing if it is at all worthwhile. When enough people have proven results and this is considered a giga-legit method, then people can skip this start-stop madness that, if I had persisted through from the beginning, could have allowed for me to develop my current bone structure YEARS earlier.

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THIRD PHASE OF BONESMASHING:​

May-September 2024. I worked further mostly on cheekbones and a little bit of chin. This was where I fully finished developing cheekbones to where they are today. Lower third I again still under-focused on. Was minimal with chin as well.

So, it was mostly about my cheekbones. If you aren’t objectively assessing your appearance, then it is easy to have a NARROW VISION when seeing yourself in the mirror, focusing only on one feature that is weak or strong and ignoring other weak points and overall harmony. BE SMARTER THAN THIS. (Ie I've even had trash hairstyles and only realized it way later)

Protocol then: about EOD cheekbones due to the high level of swelling and skin irritation not allowing for daily. Did for a few mins during sessions but not sure exactly of sets/reps, but they ranged from like 30 hard hits to 100 medium hits, roughly.

END OF SUMMER 2024


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Cheekbones still too wide relative to the underdeveloped lower third. Chin seems slightly better than in 2021 but still a bit uneven on bottom. When lean enough, cheekbones were a decently strong feature at this point. Physique is included to thoroughly dismantle “oh your results are just from being leaner”. I was shredded and debloated here.
Around a 7/10 on my absolute best days and with BB cream and Lumify drops frauds

August 2024: cheekbones showing through despite being relatively bloated in the pic (GLP drugs totally changed my life in 2025-onward btw). Yes, there is swelling in this pic, but the real underlying growth was mostly permanent.

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GODSEND MOMENT. November 2024 iirc, a CRUCIAL moment: talking with yyamann, who later became St.Rotter, on here, because he had posted a bonesmashing full-face before-after with incredible changes. He showed me privately far more pics and clips demonstrating his incredible transformation. He was more boneless than me to begin with and heavily heavily developed his chin, jaw corners, and cheekbones. In fact, he kind of overdid his cheekbones like I did– one special use case tool to see something more objectively is to use the FaceApp gender swap to female, and his female version had CRAZY big cheekbones that almost looked fake.
^SO, TAKE NOTES: CHEEKBONES ARE THE EASIEST SPOT TO OVERDO!! His were overdone anteriorly and not laterally really, unlike mine
His program: I wish we had talked more specifically, but he said he did it every day for two years. Multiple times a day. Don’t remember if he talked about fists vs. hammer or more particulars on intensity, volume, and so forth: but what I remember is he went hard multiple time a day for two years, desperate to ascend a below-average face, and WOW were the changes insane. Squared up superman chad jaw. Ltn to either high HTN or low chadlite, with insane bone structure and with other minor maxxes surely chadlite.
HE GAVE ME HOPE TO START AGAIN. What this method is missing is ENOUGH CLEAR BEFORE-AFTERS such that people are convinced it works! Talking to him in private affirmed that my cheekbone gains to that point were not somehow placebo and that this was a legitimate method for those doing it properly and consistently for long enough. Though for some reason I think I wasn’t really consistent again until like February 2025 maybe.

Dec 2024 lean and debloated. Cheekbones are where they are now since I haven’t trained them since then, chin is decent, but it is the jaw corners, the ramus-gonions area, that is still too narrow and undefined and holding me back (and smiling with this expression made it look its best, if anything)…
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Which leads us to:

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PHASE 4 OF BONESMASHING,​

from about February-May 2025. I did more chin and then some jaw corners as well. A key thing was focusing on the chin corners, which I remember doing in May for width.
In Feb-March, I was doing this maybe EOD or every 2 days; in May, focusing mainly on chin corners, I was doing daily generally. I think in phase 4, my jaw corners may have gotten just slightly less narrow and that my chin width improved a little bit; but there were not other gains from this run of it besides this.

Left, June 2025, maybe 12-14%, debloated here. Right, July, 2025 about 12% bodyfat and debloated. While my 3/4ths had been the strongest angle in most lightings for a long time, some pics like this revealed the weakness of the jaw corners.
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COMMON THEME FOR REST OF 2025 PICS: Strong cheekbones, good chin, weak jaw corners. This is why I almost never took pics STRAIGHT ON, hating how rounded the lower third looked and how narrow relative to the cheekbones. Most of my pics are a slight look to the side like above as well as 3/4ths profile.


Mid July 2025, 11ish% bodyfat and debloated; similar deal, avoiding front angle pics because they revealed the poor lower third.

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August 2025, shredded at roughly 10% bodyfat and debloated, FINALLY a front pic: with this leanness and skin and general harmony and cheekbones, I was already low HTN I think (still in HTN range at present) but my lower third corners continued to hold me back from better aesthetics.

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^I’m not actually that badly recessed, but this is a down angle. Side profile way stronger than front by hiding the jaw corners weakness.
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Sept 11 2025 physique pic: I am shredded and debloated. So it becomes clear that my limiting factors face-wise at this point are structure-related with leanness-related improvements no longer really on the table. Hard capped at around 7/10 on my best days before starting jaw corners work to square ts up

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^I AM REALLY LEAN, but the lower third is NOT what it is now, still VERY inward-sloped corners. This is why it is NOT an option for copers to say that the difference was getting leaner JFL. If they want to claim filler, then so be it (but again at least apply this to anyone claiming results from any experiment here and not just this)

Mid Oct 2025. Around a 6.5 on worse days or 7/10 on best days (fluctuate a lot based on sleep, bloat, inflammation, skin, etc.):
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^Those 2 pics the same day, same story: could look good in some off-center pics, but destroyed in most straight-on ones with these inward jaw corners. Which also required me to be way leaner than I would have had to otherwise in order to have some hollows.

Late Oct 2025: Starting becoming too apparent that no amount of leanmaxxing would suddenly make the jaw corner area better atp


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^(bottom right pic above) You know how occasionally you have a picture that looks way better than you actually looked when looking back? This was one of those where by jaw corners look probably the best they have in any picture due to the combo of lighting and angle and luck in this pic. Yet, STILL pretty poor and sloping inward etc.

Mid Nov 2025: showing how unbalanced the cheekbones-lower third proportion is


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Lower third still trash. The few straight-on pics made this SO OBVIOUS that it became the next imminent looksmax when I took time at the end of the year to evaluate looks improvement opportunities…

END OF DECEMBER 2025: Evaluating different maxxes and weakness, I began trying to morph better jaw corners, and these imperfect morphs below helped me FINALLY see that I could ascend by improving this area:

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If you aren't taking time every now and then to step back and objectively see what looksmax opportunities you are overlooking, then you will be clumsy and slow with many maxxes as I was over the years. Use AI especially Claude for objective analysis; it is surprisingly based in pointing you to implants etc. vs. soft advice from Chat

So, this leads us to the present…–


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PHASE 5 OF BONESMASHING: JAN 1 2026-PRESENT (March 2 2026 as of now)​

Determined to square up/widen my jaw corners and ascend as hard as possible. To surpass the 7/10 cap. Incredible how oblivious I was to this, maybe in part thinking that constantly being even leaner would ascend this area even though I had kind of pushed this to the limit already.

From the night of Jan 1st, the swelling in the jaw corners already helped provide some temporary width and revealed how much better I was going to look as I grew this area
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^I took multiple pics after my early sessions because the swelling making my bone structure look better than ever before was such lifefuel.


^Vid I posted Jan 4th with some swelling as part of this post:
https://looksmax.org/threads/vid-pics-masseter-vs-gonial-bone-growth-for-me-to-ascend.1811056/
Still poor jaw corners even with the early swelling since this swelling mass was occurring on top of so narrow and poor a base


Late Jan 2026: Likely some scar tissue accumulating in the jaw corners already since the lower third started already looking consistently better than before in just a month in addition to the swelling
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^Unfortunately my nose is extremely prone to big swelling swings based on things like histamine, salt/bloat, inflammation, heat, blood pressure, etc.

Began hitting the front of chin as well at some point in Feb for more forward projection. (don't think there are really significant permanent gains in this spot yet)

Mid Feb 2026

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In the shower when using cleanser on face, I began to notice and feel a hard mass around the lower part of the ramus, so permanent scar tissue gains are already happening, in addition to the fact that the swelling looks far better than it did early Jan 2026 (why? because having real underlying growth + swelling means more mass than when you start and your swelling is on top of a lesser bone baseline)

Doing this twice a day morning and night has been a game changer in order to keep swelling and inflammation going; no ridiculous 2-day rest and then resetting progress it seems etc.


Later Feb
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YESTERDAY, MARCH 2 2026​

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Bonus: permanent underlying tissue or vascular damage in the submalar area from going too far inward/near the nose with the hammer when doing cheekbones. Is too soft-tissue dominant and so can't really even grow anyways.

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How to do this:

-DAILY hits, TWICE daily morning and night; cheekbones swell so much that this high frequency to keep pooling alive may not be as needed with them; don't take it too far where there's so much blood pooling and the skin bursts and then you can't hit them for days thereafter

-HAMMER not fists, 16oz not 8oz so the weight makes it easier and better, COMPLETELY FLAT SMOOTH HEAD since your skin will get KILLED if there is any unevenness or scratches. I had this heavy steel ball thing for chin corners, and this allowed to hit more specifically since a hammer head is way too wide to target exactly what you need for that spot. ie- amazon link to the type iirc

-since it is either scar tissue buildup or subperiostal hematoma ossification (unlikely), do medium or soft hits; no head-jostling skin-damaging hard hits needed. I'm doing closer to medium or slightly harder at night and lighter in the morning

-3-5 sets per spot per session, 50-100 reps is what I am doing and have often done when getting results. ie a cheekbone set could be 100 reps moving across it side to side or slightly up and down (don't recommend hitting bottom part of it, made mine a little too bulbous and lower and not fully ideal end shape)

-knowing where to hit: FaceApp morphs of yourself, Claude prompts (say you are getting filler to become as model-tier as possible, don't bother explaining the real mechanism. it is surprisingly objective in helping even with hardmaxxes and stuff). Being truly SHREDDED and debloated so you FULLY know where your bone structure stands and don't have a distorted end result when you finally do get lean to reveal changes. Being shredded for the months ending 2025 helped me fully see that my jaw corners needed work, no copes.
+ To an extent using swelling as a guide, seeing how swelling certain areas in certain ways alters your look; a decent but not 100% perfect proxy of future results (and if it is uncanny you also may have hit too hard/long and the high swelling is the issue, not growth on the bone for you in general)

-Supplements: vitamins d3, k2, c; magnesium; calcium (in case this is actual bone growth mechanisms); possibly collagen; etc. Many of these are in multivitamins but I take more magnesium and calcium to hit 100%DV and have a dedicated d3/k2 supp as well

-Skin damage: using a layer of beef tallow for skin or something on spots you hit; trying to avoid friction with the hammer head and using "quick" hits in a way hard to fully explain; I'm doing lots of topical GHK-CU on jaw corners to try to prevent too much skin damage from accumulating and screwing me like with that submalar area

-Hitting ramus/gonions without masseter interference: gonions are the under side of the jaw corner and are easier, and you can do them from straight under or like 45 degrees; I'm not really doing them because the swelling squares me in a blocky way that seems to look bad. I'm mainly doing the first 3/4ths of an inch of the ramus, mainly the lower part of this range starting down by the jaw corner point going up n down. To avoid masseter blocking, be shredded, turn head to side a bit, neck forward and jutting lower jaw, teeth/jaws apart a bit, and duck face to make skin more taut. These are nuances hard to fully explain that you kind of have to figure out

How hard would you say you were hitting, a video of you acutally doing it would be appreciated. High effort post

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

How hard would you say you were hitting, a video of you acutally doing it would be appreciated. High effort post

Yeah it’s hard to say what “medium” Or “medium hard” or “soft” really means
Mostly pain and swelling amount and maintenance as guide

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

I took a look and this doesnt support bonesmashing. Take a look at these pics and theres very clearly irregular volume insyead of regular growth which wouldve hsppened if it was bone. Its especially noticeable on the first pic how the bone takes a path then the volume increase is followed by a shadow indicating that its a transition and not a smooth one, this couls only happen if its another part and not 1 thing, the onlt way this could hsppen is masseter hyperrophy, the same can be seen in the far righr of the second pic, the bone is tilted up but then something else veosses it and goes outward giving the wider jaw, if its not the bone its the masseter

 

[Seeyenar]

I took a look and this doesnt support bonesmashing. Take a look at these pics and theres very clearly irregular volume insyead of regular growth which wouldve hsppened if it was bone. Its especially noticeable on the first pic how the bone takes a path then the volume increase is followed by a shadow indicating that its a transition and not a smooth one, this couls only happen if its another part and not 1 thing, the onlt way this could hsppen is masseter hyperrophy, the same can be seen in the far righr of the second pic, the bone is tilted up but then something else veosses it and goes outward giving the wider jaw, if its not the bone its the masseter

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Pretty sure he acknowledges that any changes whether that's zygos, jaw corners, chin etc. is most likely scar tissue buildup and not true bone growth. The jaw corners are a tricky one because of course he was also chewing in this period and as you said it could be attributed to masseteer growth but the zygo changes especially are undeniable.

It could also potentially be bone callus formation due to the trauma put on the bone, and in that case it WOULD actually be permanent bone changes, calluses tend to form irregularly and while technically being bone it wouldn't look the same as if you experienced normal bone growth (like in development).

either way the results look quite aesthetic imo.

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

Pretty sure he acknowledges that any changes whether that's zygos, jaw corners, chin etc. is most likely scar tissue buildup and not true bone growth. The jaw corners are a tricky one because of course he was also chewing in this period and as you said it could be attributed to masseteer growth but the zygo changes especially are undeniable.

It could also potentially be bone callus formation due to the trauma put on the bone, and in that case it WOULD actually be permanent bone changes, calluses tend to form irregularly and while technically being bone it wouldn't look the same as if you experienced normal bone growth (like in development).

either way the results look quite aesthetic imo.

I mean massater change looks aestetic as he has good incertions but i dont see any other volume changes in the chin, look at the bony part of his jaw, the angle is the same, do if you just imagne the masseter wouldnt be there, zygos also look the same, he just had hollower cheeks from the wider jaw due to masseter but look at his bz compsred to the nose, looks the ssme

 

[Seeyenar]

I mean massater change looks aestetic as he has good incertions but i dont see any other volume changes in the chin, look at the bony part of his jaw, the angle is the same, do if you just imagne the masseter wouldnt be there, zygos also look the same, he just had hollower cheeks from the wider jaw due to masseter but look at his bz compsred to the nose, looks the ssme

chin width definitely does look at least slightly higher here in the bottom pic, i haven't taken the time to measure mouth width to chin width ratio though.

But yeah all of this could probably do with some more analysis done by people willing to measure all the ratios, and take into account features that would have stayed the same such as lip width, nose width etc. in order to come to a conclusion.

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

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chin width definitely does look at least slightly higher here in the bottom pic, i haven't taken the time to measure mouth width to chin width ratio though.

But yeah all of this could probably do with some more analysis done by people willing to measure all the ratios, and take into account features that would have stayed the same such as lip width, nose width etc. in order to come to a conclusion.

Yesh but also the wsy the line is drawn is bad, onviously due to his masseter growth the zygoma-mandible angle is gonns change so sny point between the gonion and the zygo will be larger by necessity exept for his zygo, you have to put the line at the most laterally projected part. Msking thid image midsleading in the way he intended

 

[childishkillah]

idk about everyone else but i do it with the same force needed to chip wood feels good tbh
i get bony lumps with no soft tissue

I also have a bone lump in the right side of my chin, prolly the only subperiostial hematoma i did get.

 

[Seeyenar]

Yesh but also the wsy the line is drawn is bad, onviously due to his masseter growth the zygoma-mandible angle is gonns change so sny point between the gonion and the zygo will be larger by necessity exept for his zygo, you have to put the line at the most laterally projected part. Msking thid image midsleading in the way he intended

I didn't even notice the line jfl i was just trying to eyeball the chin width ratio

but yeah i see what you mean, the masseter always grows up the side of ones face to meet the zygo. Not just around the jaw angle.

I'm confused on what these lines are trying to prove in this context to be honest, it can't be about bizygo to bigonial ratio increase because that's obviously just masseter growth of course. Also what is the relevance of the nose? why is the line drawn at the far end of the nose in the first one and then the middle of the nose in the second one.

@SpectrumAesthetics3 could you clarify this?

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

I took a look and this doesnt support bonesmashing. Take a look at these pics and theres very clearly irregular volume insyead of regular growth which wouldve hsppened if it was bone. Its especially noticeable on the first pic how the bone takes a path then the volume increase is followed by a shadow indicating that its a transition and not a smooth one, this couls only happen if its another part and not 1 thing, the onlt way this could hsppen is masseter hyperrophy, the same can be seen in the far righr of the second pic, the bone is tilted up but then something else veosses it and goes outward giving the wider jaw, if its not the bone its the masseter

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I used to chew tons on PEDs and it never provided lower third width and if anything just bloated the area, didn’t work for me
I’m not sure quite what you mean by the irregular volume and everything, but the users who are up on this now think bonesmashing yields scar tissue buildup for those who it works for, not actual bone most likely

So chin and cheekbones aside which I think both have easy to see changes, the jaw width has only been improving these last couple months with hitting that lower ramus area, not from chewing

Actually in the before pics because I was into the mewing stuff was also chewing hard gum back then and you can see despite leanness the jaw corners were rounded, not aesthetic, and still inward. Since it was always a bone issue for me not masseters

Hopefully this context is helpful and I appreciate you looking to analyze it like that

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

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chin width definitely does look at least slightly higher here in the bottom pic, i haven't taken the time to measure mouth width to chin width ratio though.

But yeah all of this could probably do with some more analysis done by people willing to measure all the ratios, and take into account features that would have stayed the same such as lip width, nose width etc. in order to come to a conclusion.

At the same time even my nose can swell a lot based on histamine and bloat and things, and lips have been smaller or more pronounced based on dehydration on stimulants etc, so perfect comparisons are tough

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Yesh but also the wsy the line is drawn is bad, onviously due to his masseter growth the zygoma-mandible angle is gonns change so sny point between the gonion and the zygo will be larger by necessity exept for his zygo, you have to put the line at the most laterally projected part. Msking thid image midsleading in the way he intended

Yeah I just included it since another user pointed out in a past post of a before after how the head tilt wasn’t the same and so I tried to find more comparable ones
By no means is it probably a perfect comparison but just dropped it in for reference
I’m just going off changes from the mirror and pics. I’m not super educated on the objective ratios analysis things

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

I didn't even notice the line jfl i was just trying to eyeball the chin width ratio

but yeah i see what you mean, the masseter always grows up the side of ones face to meet the zygo. Not just around the jaw angle.

I'm confused on what these lines are trying to prove in this context to be honest, it can't be about bizygo to bigonial ratio increase because that's obviously just masseter growth of course. Also what is the relevance of the nose? why is the line drawn at the far end of the nose in the first one and then the middle of the nose in the second one.

@SpectrumAesthetics3 could you clarify this?

So yeah responded on the masseter thing in another comment, masseter growth worked so poor for me when the ramus area was weak and narrower, I don’t have the aesthetic insertions that provides good flare and width
But with ramus width improving it is almost like the masseter itself looks better when clenched now due to resting in a different way or something

The line pics were far from perfect and explained in another response as well, I don’t really know what I’m doing as far as that goes

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

So yeah pretty lean in the before and chewing a lot but it didn’t provide lower third width which was still terrible and rounded and then worse on PEDs
And the smaller and more uneven chin
Without the right masseter insertions, or maybe more importantly without a wide enough ramus base and such, chewing just doesn’t go well at all

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

So yeah responded on the masseter thing in another comment, masseter growth worked so poor for me when the ramus area was weak and narrower, I don’t have the aesthetic insertions that provides good flare and width
But with ramus width improving it is almost like the masseter itself looks better when clenched now due to resting in a different way or something

The line pics were far from perfect and explained in another response as well, I don’t really know what I’m doing as far as that goes

If the ramus are just widened there would never be such a volume contrast

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So yeah pretty lean in the before and chewing a lot but it didn’t provide lower third width which was still terrible and rounded and then worse on PEDs
And the smaller and more uneven chin
Without the right masseter insertions, or maybe more importantly without a wide enough ramus base and such, chewing just doesn’t go well at all

Chin looks ghe same

 

[birthdefect]

I also have a bone lump in the right side of my chin, prolly the only subperiostial hematoma i did get.

do that high intensity low volume shit and you'll get it again

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

If the ramus are just widened there would never be such a volume contrast

Chin looks ghe same

What do you mean by volume contrast?

And for chin. It is wider from hitting the corners and also more even on bottom than before from targeting one side on the bottom to address this. It is impossible for me to see how this looks the same. If anything my lips are in a slightly wider expression in this after pic so if they were wider in the before in the exact same position you'd have it looking even narrower

 

[childishkillah]

do that high intensity low volume shit and you'll get it again

The possible bone augmentatios is not aesthetically pleasing.

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

do that high intensity low volume shit and you'll get it again

Per protocol points near bottom of post I'm mainly saying higher frequency, volume not super high per se per the guidelines, and then generally more medium hits.
Maybe if swelling seems to be dying down too much between sessions then a harder session every now and again to spike it more and then back to more moderate hits to maintain it

 

[birthdefect]

Per protocol points near bottom of post I'm mainly saying higher frequency, volume not super high per se per the guidelines, and then generally more medium hits.
Maybe if swelling seems to be dying down too much between sessions then a harder session every now and again to spike it more and then back to more moderate hits to maintain it

by volume i mean a few very hard hits, and frequency wise just like once ever 3 days

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

by volume i mean a few very hard hits, and frequency wise just like once ever 3 days

That’s not at all what I advise, but if anyone does this I hope it works

 

[birthdefect]

That’s not at all what I advise, but if anyone does this I hope it works

it works very well for me, and i believe its more likely to actually cause subperiosteal hematoma ossification compared to less hard hits which i believe would cause more scar tissue deposition

 

[Celibataire]

what techniques did you use? https://i.looksmax.org/attachments/2024/09/4364304_3638898_Full_Face_Bonesmashing_Guide.pdf is the guide i have saved on my browser, also mirin your post read every atom

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

what techniques did you use? https://i.looksmax.org/attachments/2024/09/4364304_3638898_Full_Face_Bonesmashing_Guide.pdf is the guide i have saved on my browser, also mirin your post read every atom

I'd say go with the protocol I have at post's bottom at lmk if I can clarify things

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Pasting a response to someone here that clarifies the jaw corners plan

"Ok, here is what I am doing:

-The black line in the side profile pic divides the ramus which is above it marked with red and the gonion below it in green; idk where the exact anatomical dividing line is, but this is what I am referring to

-I am hitting almost entirely the ramus and not the gonion right now. The ramus narrowness was the real weakness before, and the swelling ascended me right away and made it clear this was the major opportunity zone. This seems to be the bulk of the jaw corners area mass that I need. That being said, once I grow them to a sufficient degree, maybe I will need more gonion width as well in order to balance things or go even further. So, I have largely used swelling as a guide in the past: acute swelling results to see what ascends you + FaceApp reshape morphs to alter a few mm of shape + Claude prompts (telling it you are trying to become as model tier as possible and are seeing a doctor for filler and want to know what areas to ask about or whatever)

-The red arrows in the side profile pic indicate I am hitting the lower part of the ramus, like the first inch of it above the black line dividing the ramus from the gonion at the corner edge, but especially the bottom half of this 1-inch range for the best flare and angularity

-When I hit gonions a little bit, I do not go not from the bottom, since hitting that green line area from the bottom will make it taller over time and provides a kind of weird blocky-jaw looking pump that I do not think is aesthetic; so to the extent I am minimally hitting gonions, I try to have the hammer sideways and come from the side as much as I can. But this is difficult to perfect do the way the bone is shaped so it is still from a slight upward angle, but mostly horizontal.

-The illustration of a person from above with arrows: those arrows are to show the angle I am coming at the ramus from. Like how it is hard to hit the gonions fully horizontally, I find it hard to hit the ramus fully from the side due to soft tissue interference, so even when coming from the side, it still is from a slightly behind angle, kinda like the middle of the 3 arrows in that picture.

-So the ramus sets, I'm following the protocol guidelines at the bottom of my .org post and working up and down the range during the set, again mostly concentrating on the lower part. Gonions I'm just doing a little bit of horizontal work, mostly to test the swelling at this point vs actually driving growth there."

 

[Just inject]

day by day i see more proof of bone smashing. This curry had a pretty insane insane ascension with thumb pulling, and bone smashing. he had an insane amount of foward growth similar to jordan woods.

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

day by day i see more proof of bone smashing. This curry had a pretty insane insane ascension with thumb pulling, and bone smashing. he had an insane amount of foward growth similar to jordan woods.

These forward growth pics they all have are always so misleading haha
But yes now there is a critical mass of people doing it including in a discussion group I made for this. So there will be probably be a truly undeniable preponderance of results cases within a year

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

New mirror setup, getting hammered atm

 

[CheeseTouch]

Bonus: permanent underlying tissue or vascular damage in the submalar area from going too far inward/near the nose with the hammer when doing cheekbones. Is too soft-tissue dominant and so can't really even grow anyways.

I’ve been doing cheek bones as well but I’ve always had these even before I started bonesmashing. Are you sure these are from nerve damage?

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

I’ve been doing cheek bones as well but I’ve always had these even before I started bonesmashing. Are you sure these are from nerve damage?

So I don’t have nerve damage but yes definitely some kind of damage under the skin here, not just the soft tissue divot some have but like it’s darker as well which it wasn’t before

 

[CheeseTouch]

So I don’t have nerve damage but yes definitely some kind of damage under the skin here, not just the soft tissue divot some have but like it’s darker as well which it wasn’t before

Battle scars from trying to ascend

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Battle scars from trying to ascend

And it was too soft-tissue heavy an area to hit anyways so not even necessary sadly

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

 

[CheeseTouch]

And it was too soft-tissue heavy an area to hit anyways so not even necessary sadly

Hitting soft tissue causes fibrosis and scar tissue to form. I’ve smashed my infra rims and nasoorbital area as well, it helps but it’s not bone but scar tissue growth. Any extra bit of volume works anyways.

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Hitting soft tissue causes fibrosis and scar tissue to form. I’ve smashed my infra rims and nasoorbital area as well, it helps but it’s not bone but scar tissue growth. Any extra bit of volume works anyways.

This is really interesting. - do you sort of mean the triangle between the points of outer lip and inner cheekbone going over to the nose? kind of the upper midface?
I'm probably about to get a bunch of filler here but this is mogger if this actually works wtf. It feels so soft that it is hard to imagine hitting it

 

[CheeseTouch]

This is really interesting. - do you sort of mean the triangle between the points of outer lip and inner cheekbone going over to the nose? kind of the upper midface?
I'm probably about to get a bunch of filler here but this is mogger if this actually works wtf. It feels so soft that it is hard to imagine hitting it

Yea upper mid face where I circled. Literally the entire circle. However, you can’t smash the maxillary region where the alar rims sit, where the nasolabial area is. There just isint any bone there and you’ll just be hitting your gums and teeth smashing that region. I’m currently trying derma stamping followed by volufiline to fill in that hollowness there because I’m Asian and I do not have good fat pads. Not sure if it’s cope tho, just experimenting. If it doesn’t work I’ll just get fat grafts; not fillers as they migrate.

 

[CheeseTouch]

Sometimes I would even do the bottom two circles if that’s what you meant..
The crosses are the parts I would never hit.
Keep in mind that you are definitely going to get nerve damage smashing within those circles. When I make a half or forced smile, or a half squint, my cheeks and eyelids tremble. It feels normal when I laugh and smile naturally tho, and it doesn’t tremble when I do a full smile. Essentially, controlling the concentric motion of squinting or smiling in a very slow or controlled manner i.e not natural smiles/squint is when your cheeks will tremble and you’ll notice the nerve damage. I’ve been using klow stack to help with this healing tho so it isint too bad. Anyways think of it as free botox; you shouldn’t be making any unnecessary forced smiles or squints anyways as you’ll get wrinkles JFL

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

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Yea upper mid face where I circled. Literally the entire circle. However, you can’t smash the maxillary region where the alar rims sit, where the nasolabial area is. There just isint any bone there and you’ll just be hitting your gums and teeth smashing that region. I’m currently trying derma stamping followed by volufiline to fill in that hollowness there because I’m Asian and I do not have good fat pads. Not sure if it’s cope tho, just experimenting. If it doesn’t work I’ll just get fat grafts; not fillers as they migrate.

where my underlying permanent damage discoloration is located is like right at the bottom middle of those circles just FYI
as far as your volifiline experiment and possible fat graft later you are referring to the naso folds area? I have them slightly, least so when very shredded and debloated (Also just botoxed these muscles by side of nose that were tensing into an expression that caused them) tho getting more submalar projection between the cheekbones and the nose and bringing that all forward will hopefully provide more scaffolding and attenuate naso folds

 

[Acquiescence]

Holy fucking yap

So much obsession over what is clearly no change to the underlying bone structure and just you frauding with lip pucker and clenching and angles and lighting and perhaps inflammation from hitting your face repeatedly with a fucking hammer

Fuck knows maybe you even got filler or implants and are just larping results from muh bonesmashing

If you truly wanted to document results you’d post before / after CT scans, completely unfrauded unpuckered unclenched video of you rotating in motion etc

Stop giving naive vulnerable teens false hope and sending them down such a retarded time wasting cope path, aka those who desperately need to take action NOW to save up for osteotomies and implants which is the only true fix for their dogshit bones before the agepill reaper takes them

Whether you dnr or reply with another long yap I really don’t care, I know someone this deep into the larp / fraud / delusion isn’t going to budge, just putting my 2 cents out there and dipping

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

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Sometimes I would even do the bottom two circles if that’s what you meant..
The crosses are the parts I would never hit.
Keep in mind that you are definitely going to get nerve damage smashing within those circles. When I make a half or forced smile, or a half squint, my cheeks and eyelids tremble. It feels normal when I laugh and smile naturally tho, and it doesn’t tremble when I do a full smile. Essentially, controlling the concentric motion of squinting or smiling in a very slow or controlled manner i.e not natural smiles/squint is when your cheeks will tremble and you’ll notice the nerve damage. I’ve been using klow stack to help with this healing tho so it isint too bad. Anyways think of it as free botox; you shouldn’t be making any unnecessary forced smiles or squints anyways as you’ll get wrinkles JFL

I hear you, yeah again those bottom circles I just damaged something and didn't experience growth; tough to imagine with teh bone not really being accessible
I did mention in the post yyamann/St.Rotter, at least when he made the now deleted post "Bonesmashing Lifefuel" and showed a couple pics, mentioned eye twitching nerve issues

Also the sinuses being under here. My mom got a balloon sinuplasty with these being stopped up, and mine appear stopped up as well in medical imaging; yet I couldn't help but wonder if it was related to hitting here as well

Cage at free botox. The new ultra-IQ method is if we can figure out muscle paralysis in some other way lol

Can you share more about areas you've bonesmashed, your protocol, how long you've done it, etc?

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Holy fucking yap

So much obsession over what is clearly no change to the underlying bone structure and just you frauding with lip pucker and clenching and angles and lighting and perhaps inflammation from hitting your face repeatedly with a fucking hammer

Fuck knows maybe you even got filler or implants and are just larping results from muh bonesmashing

If you truly wanted to document results you’d post before / after CT scans, completely unfrauded unpuckered unclenched video of you rotating in motion etc

Stop giving naive vulnerable teens false hope and sending them down such a retarded time wasting cope path, aka those who desperately need to take action NOW to save up for osteotomies and implants which is the only true fix for their dogshit bones before the agepill reaper takes them

Whether you dnr or reply with another long yap I really don’t care, I know someone this deep into the larp / fraud / delusion isn’t going to budge, just putting my 2 cents out there and dipping

Yeah just your usual transition from inward ramus/gonions that are now neutral and going outwards over time, and a chin that not only was UNEVEN clearly on bottom that is now close to even and more robust in every angle, oh and then the bodyfat already being low in the before

Also, "clearly no change" and "maybe you even got filler or implants" are opposing claims, pick 1 plz xd. Come on. This was a low-effort "2 cents" to just "drop here and dip". Serious analysis and rebuttal attempt of the pics and thread is always accepted though for discussion's sake

Call it surgery if you want but just lol

But there's enough ppl doing it now in my free discussion group that we will either send this method to the grave or will exonerate and legitimize it forever based on what happens with everyone

 

[CheeseTouch]

Holy fucking yap

So much obsession over what is clearly no change to the underlying bone structure and just you frauding with lip pucker and clenching and angles and lighting and perhaps inflammation from hitting your face repeatedly with a fucking hammer

Fuck knows maybe you even got filler or implants and are just larping results from muh bonesmashing

If you truly wanted to document results you’d post before / after CT scans, completely unfrauded unpuckered unclenched video of you rotating in motion etc

Stop giving naive vulnerable teens false hope and sending them down such a retarded time wasting cope path, aka those who desperately need to take action NOW to save up for osteotomies and implants which is the only true fix for their dogshit bones before the agepill reaper takes them

Whether you dnr or reply with another long yap I really don’t care, I know someone this deep into the larp / fraud / delusion isn’t going to budge, just putting my 2 cents out there and dipping

nigga I can agree that bonesmashing isint going to fix underlying craniofacial recessions. Most people misunderstand wha bonesmashing is: it definitely is going to give you that extra bit of bonemass to give a bit more projection and volume but a recession will only be saved by osteotomies and implants. Normies who say that it doesn’t work AT ALL are frauds that have never actually done it properly before or are just Gatekeeping.

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

nigga I can agree that bonesmashing isint going to fix underlying craniofacial recessions. Most people misunderstand wha bonesmashing is: it definitely is going to give you that extra bit of bonemass to give a bit more projection and volume but a recession will only be saved by osteotomies and implants. Normies who say that it doesn’t work AT ALL are frauds that have never actually done it properly before or are just Gatekeeping.

@Acquiescence And yeah my whole day was spent calling and emailing with surgeons here to figure out submalar and upper midface implant stuff or if I will just Juvederm it up instead; ofc this can't fix everything

Why the prospect of 3x a day intentional damage sessions to a spot leading to a scar tissue response must be axiomatically denied still by users here is beyond me, but it is the opposite of the open-mindedness and experimentation we need

I really think it is just normie-coded minds who can not get over the surface-level of insanity of 'but you are hitting yourself with a hammer!' who are too behind the curve to realize that this is becoming a thing. As though constantly keeping an area swollen for MONTHS would NOT result in an inflammation response, ie the collagen matrix deposition mass of some sort, which provides the mass we are chasing. This is why you need to be slightly ND to really accomplish anything. Cage at the normie mind

 

[CheeseTouch]

I hear you, yeah again those bottom circles I just damaged something and didn't experience growth; tough to imagine with teh bone not really being accessible
I did mention in the post yyamann/St.Rotter, at least when he made the now deleted post "Bonesmashing Lifefuel" and showed a couple pics, mentioned eye twitching nerve issues

Also the sinuses being under here. My mom got a balloon sinuplasty with these being stopped up, and mine appear stopped up as well in medical imaging; yet I couldn't help but wonder if it was related to hitting here as well

Cage at free botox. The new ultra-IQ method is if we can figure out muscle paralysis in some other way lol

Can you share more about areas you've bonesmashed, your protocol, how long you've done it, etc?

Sorry I forgot to mention that those bottom circles only started working when I used a GHRH such as cjc1295+ipamorelin. Immediately after smashing that area I would pin and go to sleep, while the swelling forms scar tissue the next day. Scar tissue formation is much faster than bone formation, so you’ll probably notice some volume there within 2-3 weeks. I’ve only done those circles for about 1-2 months so I can’t really update you on the changes but I can see some improvements. I’ve done my brow ridge for about 5-6 months and god damn it really made a difference even without a ghrh. This is probably due to the fact that the brow ridge is a dimorphic feature and is used to withstand blows and punches, meaning that it adapts well to mechanical stress.

 

[Just inject]

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I think this is one of this has to be one of the best ascensions, I have seen. Goated thread! the Your whole fucking Eye area changed aswell. Maybe i missed it but did you smash your infra and supraorbitals?

Also how effective to you think a very strong massage gun like a theragun would be. It supposed to alot stronger than other massage guns. This guy is another person who got decent bone smashing results but instead of fists or a hammer he used a theragun.

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Sorry I forgot to mention that those bottom circles only started working when I used a GHRH such as cjc1295+ipamorelin. Immediately after smashing that area I would pin and go to sleep, while the swelling forms scar tissue the next day. Scar tissue formation is much faster than bone formation, so you’ll probably notice some volume there within 2-3 weeks. I’ve only done those circles for about 1-2 months so I can’t really update you on the changes but I can see some improvements. I’ve done my brow ridge for about 5-6 months and god damn it really made a difference even without a ghrh. This is probably due to the fact that the brow ridge is a dimorphic feature and is used to withstand blows and punches, meaning that it adapts well to mechanical stress.

This is really high IQ
make sure to see my chat message to join the group if you haven't
looking to also compile more and more people's results over time

 

[CheeseTouch]

@Acquiescence And yeah my whole day was spent calling and emailing with surgeons here to figure out submalar and upper midface implant stuff or if I will just Juvederm it up instead; ofc this can't fix everything

Why the prospect of 3x a day intentional damage sessions to a spot leading to a scar tissue response must be axiomatically denied still by users here is beyond me, but it is the opposite of the open-mindedness and experimentation we need

I really think it is just normie-coded minds who can not get over the surface-level of insanity of 'but you are hitting yourself with a hammer!' who are too behind the curve to realize that this is becoming a thing. As though constantly keeping an area swollen for MONTHS would NOT result in an inflammation response, ie the collagen matrix deposition mass of some sort, which provides the mass we are chasing. This is why you need to be slightly ND to really accomplish anything. Cage at the normie mind

Why do you even give a fuck should be grateful that it worked for you to ascend while this soyciety have balls the size of grapes with not enough testosterone to pick up the hammer to ascend