(PICS) Definitively documenting years of bonesmashing changes + Protocol | All denial ends here tbh

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

interesting. I don't doubt your "kindness" for sharing but still I cannot trust anyone that can profit real money from me believing them. goes against any principle of logic

I guess dude I mean for people who are selling something that is literally the basis for selling anything at all is you believing in a product or service

 

[Dolorous]

Oh my fucking greycel
1- Conceler or bb cream on bruises
2-No
3-No don’t hit too hard
4-If consistent a year maybe more
5-The assymetry will barely be noticeable
6-Pay me bitch

appreciate the answers instead of just ignoring or telling people to rope

 

[Dolorous]

I guess dude I mean for people who are selling something that is literally the basis for selling anything at all is you believing in a product or service

where is the skool with the BS guides? do you have a link somewhere

 

[Boyoshutup]

appreciate the answers instead of just ignoring or telling people to rope

Anytime i take this shit seriously so always happy to help.

 

[jahslayer]

when you are taking a long break, dermastamp the smashed areas and cover your face with animal oil of some kind. Try the skin care topical 'matrixyl' and eat beef collagen.

how often?

 

[ivan.kuk]

What is your opinion on beltpulling/thumbpulling/facepulling/plierpulling?

 

[jotunnr]

Isn’t forward growth the goal? Are u saying that ur gonna take it more seriously now?

bonesmashing promotes appositional growth nigga

 

[dvntslayer]

Mirin effort, but im genuinely curious what were you even doing in the gym?

 

[eventualmogger]

I guess dude I mean for people who are selling something that is literally the basis for selling anything at all is you believing in a product or service

exactly why you cannot trust them fully

It’s free
Just fuck off with these assumptions
I’m putting so much time into this having been the best documented case of life changing results ever

why is it so impossible to want to help minimize suffering for guys if I can help them? I have threads on the shit past and heck I’d have more pics if I didn’t delete 95% of pics of old life a few months ago when I wanted to wipe away memories

mb I assumed it wasn't free. Also I'm not saying ur lying. Im just skeptical, as everyone should always be. The thing with bonesmashing is that if it worked so effectively why doesn't everyone here just do it and ascend to chad. There are definitly limits to it and it does not work for everyone (and I would go as far as to so for most people it doesnt work)

 

[mewzilla]

Good results, a way to debunk the filler accusations would be to inject some hyaluronidase in the areas where you saw improvement, there will be some hollowing for a day or two before your body gets back it's natural HA, but it'll be perfect evidence for you if you're planning on marketing this / gaining credibility in the community.

youd need to be a gigaincel to care about this forum that much

 

[Orka]

youd need to be a gigaincel to care about this forum that much

Are you retarded? If you're capable of monetizing something you already do, you should absolutely do so. There's nothing 'gigaincel' about it.

 

[Dolorous]

Anytime i take this shit seriously so always happy to help.

so have you been doing BS? and if so with what tool

 

[mewzilla]

Are you retarded? If you're capable of monetizing something you already do, you should absolutely do so. There's nothing 'gigaincel' about it.

how would he monetize this? do you mean tiktok grifting or courses or smth
obviously anything profitable should be...profited from...but i meant that youd need to be ridiculously brainrotted to pin hydase to prove yourself to other people on this forum just for "credibility". (or maybe im just not committed enough )

 

[Boyoshutup]

so have you been doing BS? and if so with what tool

Mostly hands hammer is good but i prefer hands.

 

[Dolorous]

Mostly hands hammer is good but i prefer hands.

OK thank you. A few more questions though.

1. Was it similar to OP's routine?
2. Would i be able to do this for my glabella? I want to do the brow ridge too but im afraid it would be assymetrical

 

[Boyoshutup]

OK thank you. A few more questions though.

1. Was it similar to OP's routine?
2. Would i be able to do this for my glabella? I want to do the brow ridge too but im afraid it would be assymetrical

Don’t worry about brow ridge it grows faster then cheekbones and chin symmetry depends on how you do it
No mine was diff but op routine is good

 

[Dolorous]

Don’t worry about brow ridge it grows faster then cheekbones and chin symmetry depends on how you do it
No mine was diff but op routine is good

How would i do the brow ridge so that i minimize the assymetry

 

[Boyoshutup]

How would i do the brow ridge so that i minimize the assymetry

Probably use hands not hammer on brow ridge don’t hit too fast or hard just keep it normal and consistent as for bonesmashing u cannot minimize assymetry eventually u will get better at it.

 

[Dolorous]

Probably use hands not hammer on brow ridge don’t hit too fast or hard just keep it normal and consistent as for bonesmashing u cannot minimize assymetry eventually u will get better at it.

What is the difference between using hands, a hammer, and a massage gun? i feel like with different methods the frequency and routines would differ slightly

 

[Orka]

how would he monetize this? do you mean tiktok grifting or courses or smth
obviously anything profitable should be...profited from...but i meant that youd need to be ridiculously brainrotted to pin hydase to prove yourself to other people on this forum just for "credibility". (or maybe im just not committed enough )

Courses, coaching, there is an insane amount of money in the looksmax / blackpill community on here and tiktok, average people dropping 200-300 on an order, then a couple bucks on an ai rating app, then money for makeup and fashion, then surgeries, you can capitalize on this

My credibility on this forum has already made me a significant amount of money, and I don't even advertise, my name gets spread and I get recognized on tiktok because of my shitty threads on here, if a more determined person was in my shoes they could make a shitload of cash

Hence, spending time and doing risky shit for credibility isn't an insane thing to do

 

[OrbitMax]

*This is a repost with permission – old one got deleted yesterday due to me having had other bonesmashing transformation posts in my history already. Shoutout to @Aryan Incel for getting them deleted so that I could repost this without violating any rules.
Because those posts were more basic before-afters. Whereas this is a definitive documentation of my face changes over 5 years and 5 periods of bonesmashing with commentary on the timeline and what I was doing and is a lot more valuable for people to see. This took many hours to compile.
Goals: promote real discussion; making this a legit method people are willing to try so they can get changes like me, Androgenic, Blake Speaks, and other users

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There are 4 main types of copers/deniers here that will be destroyed: ​

-1: "You just got leaner". Laughably proven false with shredded physique pics at different stages below where I was still boneless or had only developed one area

-2. "There are no real changes". Idek what to say to this lmao

-3. "Filler". Ig this can't be totally debunked. Yet, I grew my cheekbones and chin and jaw at DIFFERENT TIMES; wouldn't any non-retarded aesthetician, when consulting with me, tell me to do multiple areas at once for balance? Further, the unevenness at the bottom of my chin, which was blatant before and minimal now: why would I have waited to fill that for so long?
Second to last, pics from after making my cheekbones wider but while jaw was still narrow are included and look so uncanny: why would a professional let me fill the sides of them and kill my ratios like this? Also, permanent skin damage about the submalar area which isn't in the before pics and which is shown at the end.
And last, these changes were so gradual with so many pics as points of reference that it would have required like 10+ tiny filler sessions to fraud this so incrementally; even @Cheat_Win accumulated his insane lower third results with less sessions than this.

-4. "Puberty changes", "changes from PED androgenicity", etc. -Clearly not my case, starting this at 19, having different bones develop at different times depending on when I focused on them, gains coming mostly after PEDs, etc. And jaw corners changes almost entirely being within the last 2 months at age 23.

That being said, if you want to believe this is in some way faked, then idk what to say: but why should a way higher burden of proof be placed on this than on other posts on this site? Just because few have done this long enough and properly so as to get results? It says something that Androgenic and Blake Speaks are s-tier intellects in this space and are really the few to advocate for the efficacy of this. Though this likely works via scar tissue deposition accumulation and not subperiostal hematoma ossification

I am open to thoughtful users wanting to try to attribute my results to other things; I am not to those who arrogantly want to shut down discussion. Isn't the purpose of this an intellectually-humble scientific-mindset approach to looks improvement? Anyone thinking they can a priori "debunk" bonesmashing, because it is just "too crazy", does not have the type of open-mindedness needed to accomplish anything and will be behind the curve on things

I am getting a bunch of interested people to run my exact protocol so there will soon be an abundance of success case studies and this will be in the same respectability bucket, at least in the looksmax space, as going to the gym to build muscle

Should you do filler etc. instead?
I'm glad how this worked out for me and it it nice that, whether it is ossification via subperiostal hematomas or just hard scar tissue deposition buildup, that it feels like "my" bones and is permanent, but fillers ofc work.

As far as the time issue, even though this whole progression below SPANS ALMOST 5 YEARS, I was only doing this, let alone doing it properly, for a fraction of this period; I'm confident gains can be made in months since I have done this for chin and cheekbones and now jaw in the more productive periods of this.

Asymmetry: in my case I used it to FIX my chin asymmetry, and my jaw corners asymmetry, with strategically addressing it rn, is getting more and more balanced as well. Of all the possible risks and issues that come along with this, asymmetry isn't near the top imo.


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START. Late 2021, before any bonesmashing. 5.5-6/10 looks. Not a great baseline.​

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Narrow and pointier chin with clear unevenness at the bottom. Low cheekbone mass. Undefined jaw corner area with the ramus and gonions not wide enough for an aesthetic lower third.
-used FaceApp beard “shaven” filter to remove a little scruffy facial hair in some of these pics so it does not obscure the bone structure situation at all

Physique at the time. Since we are fully dismantling ALL copes: including “you just got leaner” and “filler” and all else:

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Now, even if I have been slightly less lean than this at times in recent months, my chin mass and cheekbones and lower third are still way more prominent and defined; here, I was relatively boneless even at this bodyfat due to these areas just not being that developed. More shredded boneless pics later.


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PHASE 1/5 BONESMASHING, early 2022 (around Feburary-July):​

Find out about bonesmashing through some combo of mewing content (maybe the mewing subreddit iirc) and Indigenous Swiss on YouTube (now deleted) – basically the only guy discussing it and with vids on it.

He claimed results from it and sold a couple courses related to it which I purchased. Since for one reason or another he seemed to want to erase himself from the internet, I won’t be sharing his transformation pics or books. But this was my start.

Bonesmashed for several months starting sometime early 2022: chin all over, cheekbones all over, jaw all over (including the mandible body itself, which I don’t recommend.

I WAS BLOATED TO HELL ON ROIDS (maybe a 4/10 or 5/10). I've been legit high-sub5 before, horrible face and bad skin in some moments. Generally like 15% bodyfat and lots of water retention from both diet and the PEDs. Thus, I could not fully see my underlying structure and ratios and what areas to really work on and how. I was hitting all over the cheekbones: not just the middle/upper parts, but the bottom too and the outer sides, leading to them in the present being a bit more bulbous/lower and WIDER than is ideal, hurting my harmony a bit. And, with my lower third width work only really starting at the beginning of 2026, my narrower lower third relative to the cheekbones was a harmony issue for sure.

-unattractive normie disaster with poor skin, totally invisible to girls, looking way older than my age at the time, etc.:
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STOPPED this first run of bonesmashing near the end of summer 2022: I think I was still too bloated to really see results / if they were happening and was discouraged. “Am I fucking insane/retarded for doing this? Is this a ridiculous cope that I’ve been spending a few mins on most days per week for months now?”

From this first run of bonesmashing, I developed some cheekbone mass and width (as revealed when leaner) but not noticeable changes on chin/jaw. I was overall doing it about every other day or every 2 days per Wolff’s Law-based ideas about this at the time – and I think this is dramatically inferior to doing daily, even if the sessions were longer and with harder hits. And also, the suboptimal frequency notwithstanding, I think this stuff also just takes TIME.

*Since cheekbones pool so well and don't recover right away, it seems they are the bone that can grow with lower frequency whereas if you keep letting the swelling on other spots die down between sessions then idk if you will get results efficiently or at all*

So, from late summer 2022 when I stopped phase 1 to early 2024 when phase 2 began, I didn’t do it.

SUMMER 2023, when I was slightly less bloated than usual but still like 11-12% and with PEDs bloat. LOOK HOW WIDE MY CHEEKBONES ARE WTF (also I think I had done a one-off bonesmashing session all over a couple days before for pump swelling purposes, so I think my chin was slightly more prominent-looking in these than it really was at the time around then):
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I'm like 6/10 in these at most rly

Vs. late 2021 below again before any bonesmashing...
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Again, this is SERIOUS stuff when it can’t be dissolved like filler, so you need to be SHREDDED so you fully see what you are doing and need to be very aware of how your ratios/features stand, etc.

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PHASE 2/5 of BONESMASHING:​

EARLY 2024 was the SECOND phase of bonesmashing. I don’t think it lasted very long: maybe a few weeks. I did cheekbones again and focused more on chin. I still wasn’t aware enough of how to objectively assess my needs in order to realize that squaring up the gonions-ramus area should have been a major priority, but I think I still targeted this area some.

Why did I stop again? Even though the swelling pump is motivating, I again wondered if I was crazy, if this was cope, etc. What a HUGE DISADVANTAGE to be double-minded about this during every session and to be unable to fully put your heart into the endeavor, not knowing if it is at all worthwhile. When enough people have proven results and this is considered a giga-legit method, then people can skip this start-stop madness that, if I had persisted through from the beginning, could have allowed for me to develop my current bone structure YEARS earlier.

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THIRD PHASE OF BONESMASHING:​

May-September 2024. I worked further mostly on cheekbones and a little bit of chin. This was where I fully finished developing cheekbones to where they are today. Lower third I again still under-focused on. Was minimal with chin as well.

So, it was mostly about my cheekbones. If you aren’t objectively assessing your appearance, then it is easy to have a NARROW VISION when seeing yourself in the mirror, focusing only on one feature that is weak or strong and ignoring other weak points and overall harmony. BE SMARTER THAN THIS. (Ie I've even had trash hairstyles and only realized it way later)

Protocol then: about EOD cheekbones due to the high level of swelling and skin irritation not allowing for daily. Did for a few mins during sessions but not sure exactly of sets/reps, but they ranged from like 30 hard hits to 100 medium hits, roughly.

END OF SUMMER 2024


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Cheekbones still too wide relative to the underdeveloped lower third. Chin seems slightly better than in 2021 but still a bit uneven on bottom. When lean enough, cheekbones were a decently strong feature at this point. Physique is included to thoroughly dismantle “oh your results are just from being leaner”. I was shredded and debloated here.
Around a 7/10 on my absolute best days and with BB cream and Lumify drops frauds

August 2024: cheekbones showing through despite being relatively bloated in the pic (GLP drugs totally changed my life in 2025-onward btw). Yes, there is swelling in this pic, but the real underlying growth was mostly permanent.

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GODSEND MOMENT. November 2024 iirc, a CRUCIAL moment: talking with yyamann, who later became St.Rotter, on here, because he had posted a bonesmashing full-face before-after with incredible changes. He showed me privately far more pics and clips demonstrating his incredible transformation. He was more boneless than me to begin with and heavily heavily developed his chin, jaw corners, and cheekbones. In fact, he kind of overdid his cheekbones like I did– one special use case tool to see something more objectively is to use the FaceApp gender swap to female, and his female version had CRAZY big cheekbones that almost looked fake.
^SO, TAKE NOTES: CHEEKBONES ARE THE EASIEST SPOT TO OVERDO!! His were overdone anteriorly and not laterally really, unlike mine
His program: I wish we had talked more specifically, but he said he did it every day for two years. Multiple times a day. Don’t remember if he talked about fists vs. hammer or more particulars on intensity, volume, and so forth: but what I remember is he went hard multiple time a day for two years, desperate to ascend a below-average face, and WOW were the changes insane. Squared up superman chad jaw. Ltn to either high HTN or low chadlite, with insane bone structure and with other minor maxxes surely chadlite.
HE GAVE ME HOPE TO START AGAIN. What this method is missing is ENOUGH CLEAR BEFORE-AFTERS such that people are convinced it works! Talking to him in private affirmed that my cheekbone gains to that point were not somehow placebo and that this was a legitimate method for those doing it properly and consistently for long enough. Though for some reason I think I wasn’t really consistent again until like February 2025 maybe.

Dec 2024 lean and debloated. Cheekbones are where they are now since I haven’t trained them since then, chin is decent, but it is the jaw corners, the ramus-gonions area, that is still too narrow and undefined and holding me back (and smiling with this expression made it look its best, if anything)…
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Which leads us to:

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PHASE 4 OF BONESMASHING,​

from about February-May 2025. I did more chin and then some jaw corners as well. A key thing was focusing on the chin corners, which I remember doing in May for width.
In Feb-March, I was doing this maybe EOD or every 2 days; in May, focusing mainly on chin corners, I was doing daily generally. I think in phase 4, my jaw corners may have gotten just slightly less narrow and that my chin width improved a little bit; but there were not other gains from this run of it besides this.

Left, June 2025, maybe 12-14%, debloated here. Right, July, 2025 about 12% bodyfat and debloated. While my 3/4ths had been the strongest angle in most lightings for a long time, some pics like this revealed the weakness of the jaw corners.
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COMMON THEME FOR REST OF 2025 PICS: Strong cheekbones, good chin, weak jaw corners. This is why I almost never took pics STRAIGHT ON, hating how rounded the lower third looked and how narrow relative to the cheekbones. Most of my pics are a slight look to the side like above as well as 3/4ths profile.


Mid July 2025, 11ish% bodyfat and debloated; similar deal, avoiding front angle pics because they revealed the poor lower third.

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August 2025, shredded at roughly 10% bodyfat and debloated, FINALLY a front pic: with this leanness and skin and general harmony and cheekbones, I was already low HTN I think (still in HTN range at present) but my lower third corners continued to hold me back from better aesthetics.

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^I’m not actually that badly recessed, but this is a down angle. Side profile way stronger than front by hiding the jaw corners weakness.
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Sept 11 2025 physique pic: I am shredded and debloated. So it becomes clear that my limiting factors face-wise at this point are structure-related with leanness-related improvements no longer really on the table. Hard capped at around 7/10 on my best days before starting jaw corners work to square ts up

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^I AM REALLY LEAN, but the lower third is NOT what it is now, still VERY inward-sloped corners. This is why it is NOT an option for copers to say that the difference was getting leaner JFL. If they want to claim filler, then so be it (but again at least apply this to anyone claiming results from any experiment here and not just this)

Mid Oct 2025. Around a 6.5 on worse days or 7/10 on best days (fluctuate a lot based on sleep, bloat, inflammation, skin, etc.):
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^Those 2 pics the same day, same story: could look good in some off-center pics, but destroyed in most straight-on ones with these inward jaw corners. Which also required me to be way leaner than I would have had to otherwise in order to have some hollows.

Late Oct 2025: Starting becoming too apparent that no amount of leanmaxxing would suddenly make the jaw corner area better atp


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^(bottom right pic above) You know how occasionally you have a picture that looks way better than you actually looked when looking back? This was one of those where by jaw corners look probably the best they have in any picture due to the combo of lighting and angle and luck in this pic. Yet, STILL pretty poor and sloping inward etc.

Mid Nov 2025: showing how unbalanced the cheekbones-lower third proportion is


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Lower third still trash. The few straight-on pics made this SO OBVIOUS that it became the next imminent looksmax when I took time at the end of the year to evaluate looks improvement opportunities…

END OF DECEMBER 2025: Evaluating different maxxes and weakness, I began trying to morph better jaw corners, and these imperfect morphs below helped me FINALLY see that I could ascend by improving this area:

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If you aren't taking time every now and then to step back and objectively see what looksmax opportunities you are overlooking, then you will be clumsy and slow with many maxxes as I was over the years. Use AI especially Claude for objective analysis; it is surprisingly based in pointing you to implants etc. vs. soft advice from Chat

So, this leads us to the present…–


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PHASE 5 OF BONESMASHING: JAN 1 2026-PRESENT (March 2 2026 as of now)​

Determined to square up/widen my jaw corners and ascend as hard as possible. To surpass the 7/10 cap. Incredible how oblivious I was to this, maybe in part thinking that constantly being even leaner would ascend this area even though I had kind of pushed this to the limit already.

From the night of Jan 1st, the swelling in the jaw corners already helped provide some temporary width and revealed how much better I was going to look as I grew this area
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^I took multiple pics after my early sessions because the swelling making my bone structure look better than ever before was such lifefuel.


^Vid I posted Jan 4th with some swelling as part of this post:
https://looksmax.org/threads/vid-pics-masseter-vs-gonial-bone-growth-for-me-to-ascend.1811056/
Still poor jaw corners even with the early swelling since this swelling mass was occurring on top of so narrow and poor a base


Late Jan 2026: Likely some scar tissue accumulating in the jaw corners already since the lower third started already looking consistently better than before in just a month in addition to the swelling
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^Unfortunately my nose is extremely prone to big swelling swings based on things like histamine, salt/bloat, inflammation, heat, blood pressure, etc.

Began hitting the front of chin as well at some point in Feb for more forward projection. (don't think there are really significant permanent gains in this spot yet)

Mid Feb 2026

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In the shower when using cleanser on face, I began to notice and feel a hard mass around the lower part of the ramus, so permanent scar tissue gains are already happening, in addition to the fact that the swelling looks far better than it did early Jan 2026 (why? because having real underlying growth + swelling means more mass than when you start and your swelling is on top of a lesser bone baseline)

Doing this twice a day morning and night has been a game changer in order to keep swelling and inflammation going; no ridiculous 2-day rest and then resetting progress it seems etc.


Later Feb
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YESTERDAY, MARCH 2 2026​

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Bonus: permanent underlying tissue or vascular damage in the submalar area from going too far inward/near the nose with the hammer when doing cheekbones. Is too soft-tissue dominant and so can't really even grow anyways.

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How to do this:

-DAILY hits, TWICE daily morning and night; cheekbones swell so much that this high frequency to keep pooling alive may not be as needed with them; don't take it too far where there's so much blood pooling and the skin bursts and then you can't hit them for days thereafter

-HAMMER not fists, 16oz not 8oz so the weight makes it easier and better, COMPLETELY FLAT SMOOTH HEAD since your skin will get KILLED if there is any unevenness or scratches. I had this heavy steel ball thing for chin corners, and this allowed to hit more specifically since a hammer head is way too wide to target exactly what you need for that spot. ie- amazon link to the type iirc

-since it is either scar tissue buildup or subperiostal hematoma ossification (unlikely), do medium or soft hits; no head-jostling skin-damaging hard hits needed. I'm doing closer to medium or slightly harder at night and lighter in the morning

-3-5 sets per spot per session, 50-100 reps is what I am doing and have often done when getting results. ie a cheekbone set could be 100 reps moving across it side to side or slightly up and down (don't recommend hitting bottom part of it, made mine a little too bulbous and lower and not fully ideal end shape)

-knowing where to hit: FaceApp morphs of yourself, Claude prompts (say you are getting filler to become as model-tier as possible, don't bother explaining the real mechanism. it is surprisingly objective in helping even with hardmaxxes and stuff). Being truly SHREDDED and debloated so you FULLY know where your bone structure stands and don't have a distorted end result when you finally do get lean to reveal changes. Being shredded for the months ending 2025 helped me fully see that my jaw corners needed work, no copes.
+ To an extent using swelling as a guide, seeing how swelling certain areas in certain ways alters your look; a decent but not 100% perfect proxy of future results (and if it is uncanny you also may have hit too hard/long and the high swelling is the issue, not growth on the bone for you in general)

-Supplements: vitamins d3, k2, c; magnesium; calcium (in case this is actual bone growth mechanisms); possibly collagen; etc. Many of these are in multivitamins but I take more magnesium and calcium to hit 100%DV and have a dedicated d3/k2 supp as well

-Skin damage: using a layer of beef tallow for skin or something on spots you hit; trying to avoid friction with the hammer head and using "quick" hits in a way hard to fully explain; I'm doing lots of topical GHK-CU on jaw corners to try to prevent too much skin damage from accumulating and screwing me like with that submalar area

-Hitting ramus/gonions without masseter interference: gonions are the under side of the jaw corner and are easier, and you can do them from straight under or like 45 degrees; I'm not really doing them because the swelling squares me in a blocky way that seems to look bad. I'm mainly doing the first 3/4ths of an inch of the ramus, mainly the lower part of this range starting down by the jaw corner point going up n down. To avoid masseter blocking, be shredded, turn head to side a bit, neck forward and jutting lower jaw, teeth/jaws apart a bit, and duck face to make skin more taut. These are nuances hard to fully explain that you kind of have to figure out

Did you take HGH?

 

[Boyoshutup]

What is the difference between using hands, a hammer, and a massage gun? i feel like with different methods the frequency and routines would differ slightly

Yes i have not used a massage gun but heard good things if u have one its the best thing i feel i can hit harder and cover more bone with my hands

 

[6'4 MTN]

*This is a repost with permission – old one got deleted yesterday due to me having had other bonesmashing transformation posts in my history already. Shoutout to @Aryan Incel for getting them deleted so that I could repost this without violating any rules.
Because those posts were more basic before-afters. Whereas this is a definitive documentation of my face changes over 5 years and 5 periods of bonesmashing with commentary on the timeline and what I was doing and is a lot more valuable for people to see. This took many hours to compile.
Goals: promote real discussion; making this a legit method people are willing to try so they can get changes like me, Androgenic, Blake Speaks, and other users

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There are 4 main types of copers/deniers here that will be destroyed: ​

-1: "You just got leaner". Laughably proven false with shredded physique pics at different stages below where I was still boneless or had only developed one area

-2. "There are no real changes". Idek what to say to this lmao

-3. "Filler". Ig this can't be totally debunked. Yet, I grew my cheekbones and chin and jaw at DIFFERENT TIMES; wouldn't any non-retarded aesthetician, when consulting with me, tell me to do multiple areas at once for balance? Further, the unevenness at the bottom of my chin, which was blatant before and minimal now: why would I have waited to fill that for so long?
Second to last, pics from after making my cheekbones wider but while jaw was still narrow are included and look so uncanny: why would a professional let me fill the sides of them and kill my ratios like this? Also, permanent skin damage about the submalar area which isn't in the before pics and which is shown at the end.
And last, these changes were so gradual with so many pics as points of reference that it would have required like 10+ tiny filler sessions to fraud this so incrementally; even @Cheat_Win accumulated his insane lower third results with less sessions than this.

-4. "Puberty changes", "changes from PED androgenicity", etc. -Clearly not my case, starting this at 19, having different bones develop at different times depending on when I focused on them, gains coming mostly after PEDs, etc. And jaw corners changes almost entirely being within the last 2 months at age 23.

That being said, if you want to believe this is in some way faked, then idk what to say: but why should a way higher burden of proof be placed on this than on other posts on this site? Just because few have done this long enough and properly so as to get results? It says something that Androgenic and Blake Speaks are s-tier intellects in this space and are really the few to advocate for the efficacy of this. Though this likely works via scar tissue deposition accumulation and not subperiostal hematoma ossification

I am open to thoughtful users wanting to try to attribute my results to other things; I am not to those who arrogantly want to shut down discussion. Isn't the purpose of this an intellectually-humble scientific-mindset approach to looks improvement? Anyone thinking they can a priori "debunk" bonesmashing, because it is just "too crazy", does not have the type of open-mindedness needed to accomplish anything and will be behind the curve on things

I am getting a bunch of interested people to run my exact protocol so there will soon be an abundance of success case studies and this will be in the same respectability bucket, at least in the looksmax space, as going to the gym to build muscle

Should you do filler etc. instead?
I'm glad how this worked out for me and it it nice that, whether it is ossification via subperiostal hematomas or just hard scar tissue deposition buildup, that it feels like "my" bones and is permanent, but fillers ofc work.

As far as the time issue, even though this whole progression below SPANS ALMOST 5 YEARS, I was only doing this, let alone doing it properly, for a fraction of this period; I'm confident gains can be made in months since I have done this for chin and cheekbones and now jaw in the more productive periods of this.

Asymmetry: in my case I used it to FIX my chin asymmetry, and my jaw corners asymmetry, with strategically addressing it rn, is getting more and more balanced as well. Of all the possible risks and issues that come along with this, asymmetry isn't near the top imo.


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START. Late 2021, before any bonesmashing. 5.5-6/10 looks. Not a great baseline.​

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Narrow and pointier chin with clear unevenness at the bottom. Low cheekbone mass. Undefined jaw corner area with the ramus and gonions not wide enough for an aesthetic lower third.
-used FaceApp beard “shaven” filter to remove a little scruffy facial hair in some of these pics so it does not obscure the bone structure situation at all

Physique at the time. Since we are fully dismantling ALL copes: including “you just got leaner” and “filler” and all else:

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Now, even if I have been slightly less lean than this at times in recent months, my chin mass and cheekbones and lower third are still way more prominent and defined; here, I was relatively boneless even at this bodyfat due to these areas just not being that developed. More shredded boneless pics later.


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PHASE 1/5 BONESMASHING, early 2022 (around Feburary-July):​

Find out about bonesmashing through some combo of mewing content (maybe the mewing subreddit iirc) and Indigenous Swiss on YouTube (now deleted) – basically the only guy discussing it and with vids on it.

He claimed results from it and sold a couple courses related to it which I purchased. Since for one reason or another he seemed to want to erase himself from the internet, I won’t be sharing his transformation pics or books. But this was my start.

Bonesmashed for several months starting sometime early 2022: chin all over, cheekbones all over, jaw all over (including the mandible body itself, which I don’t recommend.

I WAS BLOATED TO HELL ON ROIDS (maybe a 4/10 or 5/10). I've been legit high-sub5 before, horrible face and bad skin in some moments. Generally like 15% bodyfat and lots of water retention from both diet and the PEDs. Thus, I could not fully see my underlying structure and ratios and what areas to really work on and how. I was hitting all over the cheekbones: not just the middle/upper parts, but the bottom too and the outer sides, leading to them in the present being a bit more bulbous/lower and WIDER than is ideal, hurting my harmony a bit. And, with my lower third width work only really starting at the beginning of 2026, my narrower lower third relative to the cheekbones was a harmony issue for sure.

-unattractive normie disaster with poor skin, totally invisible to girls, looking way older than my age at the time, etc.:
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STOPPED this first run of bonesmashing near the end of summer 2022: I think I was still too bloated to really see results / if they were happening and was discouraged. “Am I fucking insane/retarded for doing this? Is this a ridiculous cope that I’ve been spending a few mins on most days per week for months now?”

From this first run of bonesmashing, I developed some cheekbone mass and width (as revealed when leaner) but not noticeable changes on chin/jaw. I was overall doing it about every other day or every 2 days per Wolff’s Law-based ideas about this at the time – and I think this is dramatically inferior to doing daily, even if the sessions were longer and with harder hits. And also, the suboptimal frequency notwithstanding, I think this stuff also just takes TIME.

*Since cheekbones pool so well and don't recover right away, it seems they are the bone that can grow with lower frequency whereas if you keep letting the swelling on other spots die down between sessions then idk if you will get results efficiently or at all*

So, from late summer 2022 when I stopped phase 1 to early 2024 when phase 2 began, I didn’t do it.

SUMMER 2023, when I was slightly less bloated than usual but still like 11-12% and with PEDs bloat. LOOK HOW WIDE MY CHEEKBONES ARE WTF (also I think I had done a one-off bonesmashing session all over a couple days before for pump swelling purposes, so I think my chin was slightly more prominent-looking in these than it really was at the time around then):
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I'm like 6/10 in these at most rly

Vs. late 2021 below again before any bonesmashing...
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Again, this is SERIOUS stuff when it can’t be dissolved like filler, so you need to be SHREDDED so you fully see what you are doing and need to be very aware of how your ratios/features stand, etc.

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PHASE 2/5 of BONESMASHING:​

EARLY 2024 was the SECOND phase of bonesmashing. I don’t think it lasted very long: maybe a few weeks. I did cheekbones again and focused more on chin. I still wasn’t aware enough of how to objectively assess my needs in order to realize that squaring up the gonions-ramus area should have been a major priority, but I think I still targeted this area some.

Why did I stop again? Even though the swelling pump is motivating, I again wondered if I was crazy, if this was cope, etc. What a HUGE DISADVANTAGE to be double-minded about this during every session and to be unable to fully put your heart into the endeavor, not knowing if it is at all worthwhile. When enough people have proven results and this is considered a giga-legit method, then people can skip this start-stop madness that, if I had persisted through from the beginning, could have allowed for me to develop my current bone structure YEARS earlier.

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THIRD PHASE OF BONESMASHING:​

May-September 2024. I worked further mostly on cheekbones and a little bit of chin. This was where I fully finished developing cheekbones to where they are today. Lower third I again still under-focused on. Was minimal with chin as well.

So, it was mostly about my cheekbones. If you aren’t objectively assessing your appearance, then it is easy to have a NARROW VISION when seeing yourself in the mirror, focusing only on one feature that is weak or strong and ignoring other weak points and overall harmony. BE SMARTER THAN THIS. (Ie I've even had trash hairstyles and only realized it way later)

Protocol then: about EOD cheekbones due to the high level of swelling and skin irritation not allowing for daily. Did for a few mins during sessions but not sure exactly of sets/reps, but they ranged from like 30 hard hits to 100 medium hits, roughly.

END OF SUMMER 2024


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Cheekbones still too wide relative to the underdeveloped lower third. Chin seems slightly better than in 2021 but still a bit uneven on bottom. When lean enough, cheekbones were a decently strong feature at this point. Physique is included to thoroughly dismantle “oh your results are just from being leaner”. I was shredded and debloated here.
Around a 7/10 on my absolute best days and with BB cream and Lumify drops frauds

August 2024: cheekbones showing through despite being relatively bloated in the pic (GLP drugs totally changed my life in 2025-onward btw). Yes, there is swelling in this pic, but the real underlying growth was mostly permanent.

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GODSEND MOMENT. November 2024 iirc, a CRUCIAL moment: talking with yyamann, who later became St.Rotter, on here, because he had posted a bonesmashing full-face before-after with incredible changes. He showed me privately far more pics and clips demonstrating his incredible transformation. He was more boneless than me to begin with and heavily heavily developed his chin, jaw corners, and cheekbones. In fact, he kind of overdid his cheekbones like I did– one special use case tool to see something more objectively is to use the FaceApp gender swap to female, and his female version had CRAZY big cheekbones that almost looked fake.
^SO, TAKE NOTES: CHEEKBONES ARE THE EASIEST SPOT TO OVERDO!! His were overdone anteriorly and not laterally really, unlike mine
His program: I wish we had talked more specifically, but he said he did it every day for two years. Multiple times a day. Don’t remember if he talked about fists vs. hammer or more particulars on intensity, volume, and so forth: but what I remember is he went hard multiple time a day for two years, desperate to ascend a below-average face, and WOW were the changes insane. Squared up superman chad jaw. Ltn to either high HTN or low chadlite, with insane bone structure and with other minor maxxes surely chadlite.
HE GAVE ME HOPE TO START AGAIN. What this method is missing is ENOUGH CLEAR BEFORE-AFTERS such that people are convinced it works! Talking to him in private affirmed that my cheekbone gains to that point were not somehow placebo and that this was a legitimate method for those doing it properly and consistently for long enough. Though for some reason I think I wasn’t really consistent again until like February 2025 maybe.

Dec 2024 lean and debloated. Cheekbones are where they are now since I haven’t trained them since then, chin is decent, but it is the jaw corners, the ramus-gonions area, that is still too narrow and undefined and holding me back (and smiling with this expression made it look its best, if anything)…
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Which leads us to:

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PHASE 4 OF BONESMASHING,​

from about February-May 2025. I did more chin and then some jaw corners as well. A key thing was focusing on the chin corners, which I remember doing in May for width.
In Feb-March, I was doing this maybe EOD or every 2 days; in May, focusing mainly on chin corners, I was doing daily generally. I think in phase 4, my jaw corners may have gotten just slightly less narrow and that my chin width improved a little bit; but there were not other gains from this run of it besides this.

Left, June 2025, maybe 12-14%, debloated here. Right, July, 2025 about 12% bodyfat and debloated. While my 3/4ths had been the strongest angle in most lightings for a long time, some pics like this revealed the weakness of the jaw corners.
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COMMON THEME FOR REST OF 2025 PICS: Strong cheekbones, good chin, weak jaw corners. This is why I almost never took pics STRAIGHT ON, hating how rounded the lower third looked and how narrow relative to the cheekbones. Most of my pics are a slight look to the side like above as well as 3/4ths profile.


Mid July 2025, 11ish% bodyfat and debloated; similar deal, avoiding front angle pics because they revealed the poor lower third.

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August 2025, shredded at roughly 10% bodyfat and debloated, FINALLY a front pic: with this leanness and skin and general harmony and cheekbones, I was already low HTN I think (still in HTN range at present) but my lower third corners continued to hold me back from better aesthetics.

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^I’m not actually that badly recessed, but this is a down angle. Side profile way stronger than front by hiding the jaw corners weakness.
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Sept 11 2025 physique pic: I am shredded and debloated. So it becomes clear that my limiting factors face-wise at this point are structure-related with leanness-related improvements no longer really on the table. Hard capped at around 7/10 on my best days before starting jaw corners work to square ts up

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^I AM REALLY LEAN, but the lower third is NOT what it is now, still VERY inward-sloped corners. This is why it is NOT an option for copers to say that the difference was getting leaner JFL. If they want to claim filler, then so be it (but again at least apply this to anyone claiming results from any experiment here and not just this)

Mid Oct 2025. Around a 6.5 on worse days or 7/10 on best days (fluctuate a lot based on sleep, bloat, inflammation, skin, etc.):
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^Those 2 pics the same day, same story: could look good in some off-center pics, but destroyed in most straight-on ones with these inward jaw corners. Which also required me to be way leaner than I would have had to otherwise in order to have some hollows.

Late Oct 2025: Starting becoming too apparent that no amount of leanmaxxing would suddenly make the jaw corner area better atp


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^(bottom right pic above) You know how occasionally you have a picture that looks way better than you actually looked when looking back? This was one of those where by jaw corners look probably the best they have in any picture due to the combo of lighting and angle and luck in this pic. Yet, STILL pretty poor and sloping inward etc.

Mid Nov 2025: showing how unbalanced the cheekbones-lower third proportion is


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Lower third still trash. The few straight-on pics made this SO OBVIOUS that it became the next imminent looksmax when I took time at the end of the year to evaluate looks improvement opportunities…

END OF DECEMBER 2025: Evaluating different maxxes and weakness, I began trying to morph better jaw corners, and these imperfect morphs below helped me FINALLY see that I could ascend by improving this area:

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If you aren't taking time every now and then to step back and objectively see what looksmax opportunities you are overlooking, then you will be clumsy and slow with many maxxes as I was over the years. Use AI especially Claude for objective analysis; it is surprisingly based in pointing you to implants etc. vs. soft advice from Chat

So, this leads us to the present…–


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PHASE 5 OF BONESMASHING: JAN 1 2026-PRESENT (March 2 2026 as of now)​

Determined to square up/widen my jaw corners and ascend as hard as possible. To surpass the 7/10 cap. Incredible how oblivious I was to this, maybe in part thinking that constantly being even leaner would ascend this area even though I had kind of pushed this to the limit already.

From the night of Jan 1st, the swelling in the jaw corners already helped provide some temporary width and revealed how much better I was going to look as I grew this area
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^I took multiple pics after my early sessions because the swelling making my bone structure look better than ever before was such lifefuel.


^Vid I posted Jan 4th with some swelling as part of this post:
https://looksmax.org/threads/vid-pics-masseter-vs-gonial-bone-growth-for-me-to-ascend.1811056/
Still poor jaw corners even with the early swelling since this swelling mass was occurring on top of so narrow and poor a base


Late Jan 2026: Likely some scar tissue accumulating in the jaw corners already since the lower third started already looking consistently better than before in just a month in addition to the swelling
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^Unfortunately my nose is extremely prone to big swelling swings based on things like histamine, salt/bloat, inflammation, heat, blood pressure, etc.

Began hitting the front of chin as well at some point in Feb for more forward projection. (don't think there are really significant permanent gains in this spot yet)

Mid Feb 2026

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In the shower when using cleanser on face, I began to notice and feel a hard mass around the lower part of the ramus, so permanent scar tissue gains are already happening, in addition to the fact that the swelling looks far better than it did early Jan 2026 (why? because having real underlying growth + swelling means more mass than when you start and your swelling is on top of a lesser bone baseline)

Doing this twice a day morning and night has been a game changer in order to keep swelling and inflammation going; no ridiculous 2-day rest and then resetting progress it seems etc.


Later Feb
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YESTERDAY, MARCH 2 2026​

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Bonus: permanent underlying tissue or vascular damage in the submalar area from going too far inward/near the nose with the hammer when doing cheekbones. Is too soft-tissue dominant and so can't really even grow anyways.

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How to do this:

-DAILY hits, TWICE daily morning and night; cheekbones swell so much that this high frequency to keep pooling alive may not be as needed with them; don't take it too far where there's so much blood pooling and the skin bursts and then you can't hit them for days thereafter

-HAMMER not fists, 16oz not 8oz so the weight makes it easier and better, COMPLETELY FLAT SMOOTH HEAD since your skin will get KILLED if there is any unevenness or scratches. I had this heavy steel ball thing for chin corners, and this allowed to hit more specifically since a hammer head is way too wide to target exactly what you need for that spot. ie- amazon link to the type iirc

-since it is either scar tissue buildup or subperiostal hematoma ossification (unlikely), do medium or soft hits; no head-jostling skin-damaging hard hits needed. I'm doing closer to medium or slightly harder at night and lighter in the morning

-3-5 sets per spot per session, 50-100 reps is what I am doing and have often done when getting results. ie a cheekbone set could be 100 reps moving across it side to side or slightly up and down (don't recommend hitting bottom part of it, made mine a little too bulbous and lower and not fully ideal end shape)

-knowing where to hit: FaceApp morphs of yourself, Claude prompts (say you are getting filler to become as model-tier as possible, don't bother explaining the real mechanism. it is surprisingly objective in helping even with hardmaxxes and stuff). Being truly SHREDDED and debloated so you FULLY know where your bone structure stands and don't have a distorted end result when you finally do get lean to reveal changes. Being shredded for the months ending 2025 helped me fully see that my jaw corners needed work, no copes.
+ To an extent using swelling as a guide, seeing how swelling certain areas in certain ways alters your look; a decent but not 100% perfect proxy of future results (and if it is uncanny you also may have hit too hard/long and the high swelling is the issue, not growth on the bone for you in general)

-Supplements: vitamins d3, k2, c; magnesium; calcium (in case this is actual bone growth mechanisms); possibly collagen; etc. Many of these are in multivitamins but I take more magnesium and calcium to hit 100%DV and have a dedicated d3/k2 supp as well

-Skin damage: using a layer of beef tallow for skin or something on spots you hit; trying to avoid friction with the hammer head and using "quick" hits in a way hard to fully explain; I'm doing lots of topical GHK-CU on jaw corners to try to prevent too much skin damage from accumulating and screwing me like with that submalar area

-Hitting ramus/gonions without masseter interference: gonions are the under side of the jaw corner and are easier, and you can do them from straight under or like 45 degrees; I'm not really doing them because the swelling squares me in a blocky way that seems to look bad. I'm mainly doing the first 3/4ths of an inch of the ramus, mainly the lower part of this range starting down by the jaw corner point going up n down. To avoid masseter blocking, be shredded, turn head to side a bit, neck forward and jutting lower jaw, teeth/jaws apart a bit, and duck face to make skin more taut. These are nuances hard to fully explain that you kind of have to figure out

idk if this is just puberty, but I've been doing what i call gonion pushing and that has made my gonions a bit more flared outward. good thread btw

 

[Kojo]

*This is a repost with permission – old one got deleted yesterday due to me having had other bonesmashing transformation posts in my history already. Shoutout to @Aryan Incel for getting them deleted so that I could repost this without violating any rules.
Because those posts were more basic before-afters. Whereas this is a definitive documentation of my face changes over 5 years and 5 periods of bonesmashing with commentary on the timeline and what I was doing and is a lot more valuable for people to see. This took many hours to compile.
Goals: promote real discussion; making this a legit method people are willing to try so they can get changes like me, Androgenic, Blake Speaks, and other users

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There are 4 main types of copers/deniers here that will be destroyed: ​

-1: "You just got leaner". Laughably proven false with shredded physique pics at different stages below where I was still boneless or had only developed one area

-2. "There are no real changes". Idek what to say to this lmao

-3. "Filler". Ig this can't be totally debunked. Yet, I grew my cheekbones and chin and jaw at DIFFERENT TIMES; wouldn't any non-retarded aesthetician, when consulting with me, tell me to do multiple areas at once for balance? Further, the unevenness at the bottom of my chin, which was blatant before and minimal now: why would I have waited to fill that for so long?
Second to last, pics from after making my cheekbones wider but while jaw was still narrow are included and look so uncanny: why would a professional let me fill the sides of them and kill my ratios like this? Also, permanent skin damage about the submalar area which isn't in the before pics and which is shown at the end.
And last, these changes were so gradual with so many pics as points of reference that it would have required like 10+ tiny filler sessions to fraud this so incrementally; even @Cheat_Win accumulated his insane lower third results with less sessions than this.

-4. "Puberty changes", "changes from PED androgenicity", etc. -Clearly not my case, starting this at 19, having different bones develop at different times depending on when I focused on them, gains coming mostly after PEDs, etc. And jaw corners changes almost entirely being within the last 2 months at age 23.

That being said, if you want to believe this is in some way faked, then idk what to say: but why should a way higher burden of proof be placed on this than on other posts on this site? Just because few have done this long enough and properly so as to get results? It says something that Androgenic and Blake Speaks are s-tier intellects in this space and are really the few to advocate for the efficacy of this. Though this likely works via scar tissue deposition accumulation and not subperiostal hematoma ossification

I am open to thoughtful users wanting to try to attribute my results to other things; I am not to those who arrogantly want to shut down discussion. Isn't the purpose of this an intellectually-humble scientific-mindset approach to looks improvement? Anyone thinking they can a priori "debunk" bonesmashing, because it is just "too crazy", does not have the type of open-mindedness needed to accomplish anything and will be behind the curve on things

I am getting a bunch of interested people to run my exact protocol so there will soon be an abundance of success case studies and this will be in the same respectability bucket, at least in the looksmax space, as going to the gym to build muscle

Should you do filler etc. instead?
I'm glad how this worked out for me and it it nice that, whether it is ossification via subperiostal hematomas or just hard scar tissue deposition buildup, that it feels like "my" bones and is permanent, but fillers ofc work.

As far as the time issue, even though this whole progression below SPANS ALMOST 5 YEARS, I was only doing this, let alone doing it properly, for a fraction of this period; I'm confident gains can be made in months since I have done this for chin and cheekbones and now jaw in the more productive periods of this.

Asymmetry: in my case I used it to FIX my chin asymmetry, and my jaw corners asymmetry, with strategically addressing it rn, is getting more and more balanced as well. Of all the possible risks and issues that come along with this, asymmetry isn't near the top imo.


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START. Late 2021, before any bonesmashing. 5.5-6/10 looks. Not a great baseline.​

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Narrow and pointier chin with clear unevenness at the bottom. Low cheekbone mass. Undefined jaw corner area with the ramus and gonions not wide enough for an aesthetic lower third.
-used FaceApp beard “shaven” filter to remove a little scruffy facial hair in some of these pics so it does not obscure the bone structure situation at all

Physique at the time. Since we are fully dismantling ALL copes: including “you just got leaner” and “filler” and all else:

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Now, even if I have been slightly less lean than this at times in recent months, my chin mass and cheekbones and lower third are still way more prominent and defined; here, I was relatively boneless even at this bodyfat due to these areas just not being that developed. More shredded boneless pics later.


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PHASE 1/5 BONESMASHING, early 2022 (around Feburary-July):​

Find out about bonesmashing through some combo of mewing content (maybe the mewing subreddit iirc) and Indigenous Swiss on YouTube (now deleted) – basically the only guy discussing it and with vids on it.

He claimed results from it and sold a couple courses related to it which I purchased. Since for one reason or another he seemed to want to erase himself from the internet, I won’t be sharing his transformation pics or books. But this was my start.

Bonesmashed for several months starting sometime early 2022: chin all over, cheekbones all over, jaw all over (including the mandible body itself, which I don’t recommend.

I WAS BLOATED TO HELL ON ROIDS (maybe a 4/10 or 5/10). I've been legit high-sub5 before, horrible face and bad skin in some moments. Generally like 15% bodyfat and lots of water retention from both diet and the PEDs. Thus, I could not fully see my underlying structure and ratios and what areas to really work on and how. I was hitting all over the cheekbones: not just the middle/upper parts, but the bottom too and the outer sides, leading to them in the present being a bit more bulbous/lower and WIDER than is ideal, hurting my harmony a bit. And, with my lower third width work only really starting at the beginning of 2026, my narrower lower third relative to the cheekbones was a harmony issue for sure.

-unattractive normie disaster with poor skin, totally invisible to girls, looking way older than my age at the time, etc.:
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STOPPED this first run of bonesmashing near the end of summer 2022: I think I was still too bloated to really see results / if they were happening and was discouraged. “Am I fucking insane/retarded for doing this? Is this a ridiculous cope that I’ve been spending a few mins on most days per week for months now?”

From this first run of bonesmashing, I developed some cheekbone mass and width (as revealed when leaner) but not noticeable changes on chin/jaw. I was overall doing it about every other day or every 2 days per Wolff’s Law-based ideas about this at the time – and I think this is dramatically inferior to doing daily, even if the sessions were longer and with harder hits. And also, the suboptimal frequency notwithstanding, I think this stuff also just takes TIME.

*Since cheekbones pool so well and don't recover right away, it seems they are the bone that can grow with lower frequency whereas if you keep letting the swelling on other spots die down between sessions then idk if you will get results efficiently or at all*

So, from late summer 2022 when I stopped phase 1 to early 2024 when phase 2 began, I didn’t do it.

SUMMER 2023, when I was slightly less bloated than usual but still like 11-12% and with PEDs bloat. LOOK HOW WIDE MY CHEEKBONES ARE WTF (also I think I had done a one-off bonesmashing session all over a couple days before for pump swelling purposes, so I think my chin was slightly more prominent-looking in these than it really was at the time around then):
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I'm like 6/10 in these at most rly

Vs. late 2021 below again before any bonesmashing...
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Again, this is SERIOUS stuff when it can’t be dissolved like filler, so you need to be SHREDDED so you fully see what you are doing and need to be very aware of how your ratios/features stand, etc.

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PHASE 2/5 of BONESMASHING:​

EARLY 2024 was the SECOND phase of bonesmashing. I don’t think it lasted very long: maybe a few weeks. I did cheekbones again and focused more on chin. I still wasn’t aware enough of how to objectively assess my needs in order to realize that squaring up the gonions-ramus area should have been a major priority, but I think I still targeted this area some.

Why did I stop again? Even though the swelling pump is motivating, I again wondered if I was crazy, if this was cope, etc. What a HUGE DISADVANTAGE to be double-minded about this during every session and to be unable to fully put your heart into the endeavor, not knowing if it is at all worthwhile. When enough people have proven results and this is considered a giga-legit method, then people can skip this start-stop madness that, if I had persisted through from the beginning, could have allowed for me to develop my current bone structure YEARS earlier.

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THIRD PHASE OF BONESMASHING:​

May-September 2024. I worked further mostly on cheekbones and a little bit of chin. This was where I fully finished developing cheekbones to where they are today. Lower third I again still under-focused on. Was minimal with chin as well.

So, it was mostly about my cheekbones. If you aren’t objectively assessing your appearance, then it is easy to have a NARROW VISION when seeing yourself in the mirror, focusing only on one feature that is weak or strong and ignoring other weak points and overall harmony. BE SMARTER THAN THIS. (Ie I've even had trash hairstyles and only realized it way later)

Protocol then: about EOD cheekbones due to the high level of swelling and skin irritation not allowing for daily. Did for a few mins during sessions but not sure exactly of sets/reps, but they ranged from like 30 hard hits to 100 medium hits, roughly.

END OF SUMMER 2024


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Cheekbones still too wide relative to the underdeveloped lower third. Chin seems slightly better than in 2021 but still a bit uneven on bottom. When lean enough, cheekbones were a decently strong feature at this point. Physique is included to thoroughly dismantle “oh your results are just from being leaner”. I was shredded and debloated here.
Around a 7/10 on my absolute best days and with BB cream and Lumify drops frauds

August 2024: cheekbones showing through despite being relatively bloated in the pic (GLP drugs totally changed my life in 2025-onward btw). Yes, there is swelling in this pic, but the real underlying growth was mostly permanent.

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GODSEND MOMENT. November 2024 iirc, a CRUCIAL moment: talking with yyamann, who later became St.Rotter, on here, because he had posted a bonesmashing full-face before-after with incredible changes. He showed me privately far more pics and clips demonstrating his incredible transformation. He was more boneless than me to begin with and heavily heavily developed his chin, jaw corners, and cheekbones. In fact, he kind of overdid his cheekbones like I did– one special use case tool to see something more objectively is to use the FaceApp gender swap to female, and his female version had CRAZY big cheekbones that almost looked fake.
^SO, TAKE NOTES: CHEEKBONES ARE THE EASIEST SPOT TO OVERDO!! His were overdone anteriorly and not laterally really, unlike mine
His program: I wish we had talked more specifically, but he said he did it every day for two years. Multiple times a day. Don’t remember if he talked about fists vs. hammer or more particulars on intensity, volume, and so forth: but what I remember is he went hard multiple time a day for two years, desperate to ascend a below-average face, and WOW were the changes insane. Squared up superman chad jaw. Ltn to either high HTN or low chadlite, with insane bone structure and with other minor maxxes surely chadlite.
HE GAVE ME HOPE TO START AGAIN. What this method is missing is ENOUGH CLEAR BEFORE-AFTERS such that people are convinced it works! Talking to him in private affirmed that my cheekbone gains to that point were not somehow placebo and that this was a legitimate method for those doing it properly and consistently for long enough. Though for some reason I think I wasn’t really consistent again until like February 2025 maybe.

Dec 2024 lean and debloated. Cheekbones are where they are now since I haven’t trained them since then, chin is decent, but it is the jaw corners, the ramus-gonions area, that is still too narrow and undefined and holding me back (and smiling with this expression made it look its best, if anything)…
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PHASE 4 OF BONESMASHING,​

from about February-May 2025. I did more chin and then some jaw corners as well. A key thing was focusing on the chin corners, which I remember doing in May for width.
In Feb-March, I was doing this maybe EOD or every 2 days; in May, focusing mainly on chin corners, I was doing daily generally. I think in phase 4, my jaw corners may have gotten just slightly less narrow and that my chin width improved a little bit; but there were not other gains from this run of it besides this.

Left, June 2025, maybe 12-14%, debloated here. Right, July, 2025 about 12% bodyfat and debloated. While my 3/4ths had been the strongest angle in most lightings for a long time, some pics like this revealed the weakness of the jaw corners.
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COMMON THEME FOR REST OF 2025 PICS: Strong cheekbones, good chin, weak jaw corners. This is why I almost never took pics STRAIGHT ON, hating how rounded the lower third looked and how narrow relative to the cheekbones. Most of my pics are a slight look to the side like above as well as 3/4ths profile.


Mid July 2025, 11ish% bodyfat and debloated; similar deal, avoiding front angle pics because they revealed the poor lower third.

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August 2025, shredded at roughly 10% bodyfat and debloated, FINALLY a front pic: with this leanness and skin and general harmony and cheekbones, I was already low HTN I think (still in HTN range at present) but my lower third corners continued to hold me back from better aesthetics.

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^I’m not actually that badly recessed, but this is a down angle. Side profile way stronger than front by hiding the jaw corners weakness.
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Sept 11 2025 physique pic: I am shredded and debloated. So it becomes clear that my limiting factors face-wise at this point are structure-related with leanness-related improvements no longer really on the table. Hard capped at around 7/10 on my best days before starting jaw corners work to square ts up

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^I AM REALLY LEAN, but the lower third is NOT what it is now, still VERY inward-sloped corners. This is why it is NOT an option for copers to say that the difference was getting leaner JFL. If they want to claim filler, then so be it (but again at least apply this to anyone claiming results from any experiment here and not just this)

Mid Oct 2025. Around a 6.5 on worse days or 7/10 on best days (fluctuate a lot based on sleep, bloat, inflammation, skin, etc.):
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^Those 2 pics the same day, same story: could look good in some off-center pics, but destroyed in most straight-on ones with these inward jaw corners. Which also required me to be way leaner than I would have had to otherwise in order to have some hollows.

Late Oct 2025: Starting becoming too apparent that no amount of leanmaxxing would suddenly make the jaw corner area better atp


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^(bottom right pic above) You know how occasionally you have a picture that looks way better than you actually looked when looking back? This was one of those where by jaw corners look probably the best they have in any picture due to the combo of lighting and angle and luck in this pic. Yet, STILL pretty poor and sloping inward etc.

Mid Nov 2025: showing how unbalanced the cheekbones-lower third proportion is


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Lower third still trash. The few straight-on pics made this SO OBVIOUS that it became the next imminent looksmax when I took time at the end of the year to evaluate looks improvement opportunities…

END OF DECEMBER 2025: Evaluating different maxxes and weakness, I began trying to morph better jaw corners, and these imperfect morphs below helped me FINALLY see that I could ascend by improving this area:

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If you aren't taking time every now and then to step back and objectively see what looksmax opportunities you are overlooking, then you will be clumsy and slow with many maxxes as I was over the years. Use AI especially Claude for objective analysis; it is surprisingly based in pointing you to implants etc. vs. soft advice from Chat

So, this leads us to the present…–


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PHASE 5 OF BONESMASHING: JAN 1 2026-PRESENT (March 2 2026 as of now)​

Determined to square up/widen my jaw corners and ascend as hard as possible. To surpass the 7/10 cap. Incredible how oblivious I was to this, maybe in part thinking that constantly being even leaner would ascend this area even though I had kind of pushed this to the limit already.

From the night of Jan 1st, the swelling in the jaw corners already helped provide some temporary width and revealed how much better I was going to look as I grew this area
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^I took multiple pics after my early sessions because the swelling making my bone structure look better than ever before was such lifefuel.


^Vid I posted Jan 4th with some swelling as part of this post:
https://looksmax.org/threads/vid-pics-masseter-vs-gonial-bone-growth-for-me-to-ascend.1811056/
Still poor jaw corners even with the early swelling since this swelling mass was occurring on top of so narrow and poor a base


Late Jan 2026: Likely some scar tissue accumulating in the jaw corners already since the lower third started already looking consistently better than before in just a month in addition to the swelling
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^Unfortunately my nose is extremely prone to big swelling swings based on things like histamine, salt/bloat, inflammation, heat, blood pressure, etc.

Began hitting the front of chin as well at some point in Feb for more forward projection. (don't think there are really significant permanent gains in this spot yet)

Mid Feb 2026

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In the shower when using cleanser on face, I began to notice and feel a hard mass around the lower part of the ramus, so permanent scar tissue gains are already happening, in addition to the fact that the swelling looks far better than it did early Jan 2026 (why? because having real underlying growth + swelling means more mass than when you start and your swelling is on top of a lesser bone baseline)

Doing this twice a day morning and night has been a game changer in order to keep swelling and inflammation going; no ridiculous 2-day rest and then resetting progress it seems etc.


Later Feb
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Bonus: permanent underlying tissue or vascular damage in the submalar area from going too far inward/near the nose with the hammer when doing cheekbones. Is too soft-tissue dominant and so can't really even grow anyways.

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How to do this:

-DAILY hits, TWICE daily morning and night; cheekbones swell so much that this high frequency to keep pooling alive may not be as needed with them; don't take it too far where there's so much blood pooling and the skin bursts and then you can't hit them for days thereafter

-HAMMER not fists, 16oz not 8oz so the weight makes it easier and better, COMPLETELY FLAT SMOOTH HEAD since your skin will get KILLED if there is any unevenness or scratches. I had this heavy steel ball thing for chin corners, and this allowed to hit more specifically since a hammer head is way too wide to target exactly what you need for that spot. ie- amazon link to the type iirc

-since it is either scar tissue buildup or subperiostal hematoma ossification (unlikely), do medium or soft hits; no head-jostling skin-damaging hard hits needed. I'm doing closer to medium or slightly harder at night and lighter in the morning

-3-5 sets per spot per session, 50-100 reps is what I am doing and have often done when getting results. ie a cheekbone set could be 100 reps moving across it side to side or slightly up and down (don't recommend hitting bottom part of it, made mine a little too bulbous and lower and not fully ideal end shape)

-knowing where to hit: FaceApp morphs of yourself, Claude prompts (say you are getting filler to become as model-tier as possible, don't bother explaining the real mechanism. it is surprisingly objective in helping even with hardmaxxes and stuff). Being truly SHREDDED and debloated so you FULLY know where your bone structure stands and don't have a distorted end result when you finally do get lean to reveal changes. Being shredded for the months ending 2025 helped me fully see that my jaw corners needed work, no copes.
+ To an extent using swelling as a guide, seeing how swelling certain areas in certain ways alters your look; a decent but not 100% perfect proxy of future results (and if it is uncanny you also may have hit too hard/long and the high swelling is the issue, not growth on the bone for you in general)

-Supplements: vitamins d3, k2, c; magnesium; calcium (in case this is actual bone growth mechanisms); possibly collagen; etc. Many of these are in multivitamins but I take more magnesium and calcium to hit 100%DV and have a dedicated d3/k2 supp as well

-Skin damage: using a layer of beef tallow for skin or something on spots you hit; trying to avoid friction with the hammer head and using "quick" hits in a way hard to fully explain; I'm doing lots of topical GHK-CU on jaw corners to try to prevent too much skin damage from accumulating and screwing me like with that submalar area

-Hitting ramus/gonions without masseter interference: gonions are the under side of the jaw corner and are easier, and you can do them from straight under or like 45 degrees; I'm not really doing them because the swelling squares me in a blocky way that seems to look bad. I'm mainly doing the first 3/4ths of an inch of the ramus, mainly the lower part of this range starting down by the jaw corner point going up n down. To avoid masseter blocking, be shredded, turn head to side a bit, neck forward and jutting lower jaw, teeth/jaws apart a bit, and duck face to make skin more taut. These are nuances hard to fully explain that you kind of have to figure out

dnr fibrotic tissue

 

[jaxe]

*This is a repost with permission – old one got deleted yesterday due to me having had other bonesmashing transformation posts in my history already. Shoutout to @Aryan Incel for getting them deleted so that I could repost this without violating any rules.
Because those posts were more basic before-afters. Whereas this is a definitive documentation of my face changes over 5 years and 5 periods of bonesmashing with commentary on the timeline and what I was doing and is a lot more valuable for people to see. This took many hours to compile.
Goals: promote real discussion; making this a legit method people are willing to try so they can get changes like me, Androgenic, Blake Speaks, and other users

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There are 4 main types of copers/deniers here that will be destroyed: ​

-1: "You just got leaner". Laughably proven false with shredded physique pics at different stages below where I was still boneless or had only developed one area

-2. "There are no real changes". Idek what to say to this lmao

-3. "Filler". Ig this can't be totally debunked. Yet, I grew my cheekbones and chin and jaw at DIFFERENT TIMES; wouldn't any non-retarded aesthetician, when consulting with me, tell me to do multiple areas at once for balance? Further, the unevenness at the bottom of my chin, which was blatant before and minimal now: why would I have waited to fill that for so long?
Second to last, pics from after making my cheekbones wider but while jaw was still narrow are included and look so uncanny: why would a professional let me fill the sides of them and kill my ratios like this? Also, permanent skin damage about the submalar area which isn't in the before pics and which is shown at the end.
And last, these changes were so gradual with so many pics as points of reference that it would have required like 10+ tiny filler sessions to fraud this so incrementally; even @Cheat_Win accumulated his insane lower third results with less sessions than this.

-4. "Puberty changes", "changes from PED androgenicity", etc. -Clearly not my case, starting this at 19, having different bones develop at different times depending on when I focused on them, gains coming mostly after PEDs, etc. And jaw corners changes almost entirely being within the last 2 months at age 23.

That being said, if you want to believe this is in some way faked, then idk what to say: but why should a way higher burden of proof be placed on this than on other posts on this site? Just because few have done this long enough and properly so as to get results? It says something that Androgenic and Blake Speaks are s-tier intellects in this space and are really the few to advocate for the efficacy of this. Though this likely works via scar tissue deposition accumulation and not subperiostal hematoma ossification

I am open to thoughtful users wanting to try to attribute my results to other things; I am not to those who arrogantly want to shut down discussion. Isn't the purpose of this an intellectually-humble scientific-mindset approach to looks improvement? Anyone thinking they can a priori "debunk" bonesmashing, because it is just "too crazy", does not have the type of open-mindedness needed to accomplish anything and will be behind the curve on things

I am getting a bunch of interested people to run my exact protocol so there will soon be an abundance of success case studies and this will be in the same respectability bucket, at least in the looksmax space, as going to the gym to build muscle

Should you do filler etc. instead?
I'm glad how this worked out for me and it it nice that, whether it is ossification via subperiostal hematomas or just hard scar tissue deposition buildup, that it feels like "my" bones and is permanent, but fillers ofc work.

As far as the time issue, even though this whole progression below SPANS ALMOST 5 YEARS, I was only doing this, let alone doing it properly, for a fraction of this period; I'm confident gains can be made in months since I have done this for chin and cheekbones and now jaw in the more productive periods of this.

Asymmetry: in my case I used it to FIX my chin asymmetry, and my jaw corners asymmetry, with strategically addressing it rn, is getting more and more balanced as well. Of all the possible risks and issues that come along with this, asymmetry isn't near the top imo.


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START. Late 2021, before any bonesmashing. 5.5-6/10 looks. Not a great baseline.​

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Narrow and pointier chin with clear unevenness at the bottom. Low cheekbone mass. Undefined jaw corner area with the ramus and gonions not wide enough for an aesthetic lower third.
-used FaceApp beard “shaven” filter to remove a little scruffy facial hair in some of these pics so it does not obscure the bone structure situation at all

Physique at the time. Since we are fully dismantling ALL copes: including “you just got leaner” and “filler” and all else:

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Now, even if I have been slightly less lean than this at times in recent months, my chin mass and cheekbones and lower third are still way more prominent and defined; here, I was relatively boneless even at this bodyfat due to these areas just not being that developed. More shredded boneless pics later.


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PHASE 1/5 BONESMASHING, early 2022 (around Feburary-July):​

Find out about bonesmashing through some combo of mewing content (maybe the mewing subreddit iirc) and Indigenous Swiss on YouTube (now deleted) – basically the only guy discussing it and with vids on it.

He claimed results from it and sold a couple courses related to it which I purchased. Since for one reason or another he seemed to want to erase himself from the internet, I won’t be sharing his transformation pics or books. But this was my start.

Bonesmashed for several months starting sometime early 2022: chin all over, cheekbones all over, jaw all over (including the mandible body itself, which I don’t recommend.

I WAS BLOATED TO HELL ON ROIDS (maybe a 4/10 or 5/10). I've been legit high-sub5 before, horrible face and bad skin in some moments. Generally like 15% bodyfat and lots of water retention from both diet and the PEDs. Thus, I could not fully see my underlying structure and ratios and what areas to really work on and how. I was hitting all over the cheekbones: not just the middle/upper parts, but the bottom too and the outer sides, leading to them in the present being a bit more bulbous/lower and WIDER than is ideal, hurting my harmony a bit. And, with my lower third width work only really starting at the beginning of 2026, my narrower lower third relative to the cheekbones was a harmony issue for sure.

-unattractive normie disaster with poor skin, totally invisible to girls, looking way older than my age at the time, etc.:
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STOPPED this first run of bonesmashing near the end of summer 2022: I think I was still too bloated to really see results / if they were happening and was discouraged. “Am I fucking insane/retarded for doing this? Is this a ridiculous cope that I’ve been spending a few mins on most days per week for months now?”

From this first run of bonesmashing, I developed some cheekbone mass and width (as revealed when leaner) but not noticeable changes on chin/jaw. I was overall doing it about every other day or every 2 days per Wolff’s Law-based ideas about this at the time – and I think this is dramatically inferior to doing daily, even if the sessions were longer and with harder hits. And also, the suboptimal frequency notwithstanding, I think this stuff also just takes TIME.

*Since cheekbones pool so well and don't recover right away, it seems they are the bone that can grow with lower frequency whereas if you keep letting the swelling on other spots die down between sessions then idk if you will get results efficiently or at all*

So, from late summer 2022 when I stopped phase 1 to early 2024 when phase 2 began, I didn’t do it.

SUMMER 2023, when I was slightly less bloated than usual but still like 11-12% and with PEDs bloat. LOOK HOW WIDE MY CHEEKBONES ARE WTF (also I think I had done a one-off bonesmashing session all over a couple days before for pump swelling purposes, so I think my chin was slightly more prominent-looking in these than it really was at the time around then):
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I'm like 6/10 in these at most rly

Vs. late 2021 below again before any bonesmashing...
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Again, this is SERIOUS stuff when it can’t be dissolved like filler, so you need to be SHREDDED so you fully see what you are doing and need to be very aware of how your ratios/features stand, etc.

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PHASE 2/5 of BONESMASHING:​

EARLY 2024 was the SECOND phase of bonesmashing. I don’t think it lasted very long: maybe a few weeks. I did cheekbones again and focused more on chin. I still wasn’t aware enough of how to objectively assess my needs in order to realize that squaring up the gonions-ramus area should have been a major priority, but I think I still targeted this area some.

Why did I stop again? Even though the swelling pump is motivating, I again wondered if I was crazy, if this was cope, etc. What a HUGE DISADVANTAGE to be double-minded about this during every session and to be unable to fully put your heart into the endeavor, not knowing if it is at all worthwhile. When enough people have proven results and this is considered a giga-legit method, then people can skip this start-stop madness that, if I had persisted through from the beginning, could have allowed for me to develop my current bone structure YEARS earlier.

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THIRD PHASE OF BONESMASHING:​

May-September 2024. I worked further mostly on cheekbones and a little bit of chin. This was where I fully finished developing cheekbones to where they are today. Lower third I again still under-focused on. Was minimal with chin as well.

So, it was mostly about my cheekbones. If you aren’t objectively assessing your appearance, then it is easy to have a NARROW VISION when seeing yourself in the mirror, focusing only on one feature that is weak or strong and ignoring other weak points and overall harmony. BE SMARTER THAN THIS. (Ie I've even had trash hairstyles and only realized it way later)

Protocol then: about EOD cheekbones due to the high level of swelling and skin irritation not allowing for daily. Did for a few mins during sessions but not sure exactly of sets/reps, but they ranged from like 30 hard hits to 100 medium hits, roughly.

END OF SUMMER 2024


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Cheekbones still too wide relative to the underdeveloped lower third. Chin seems slightly better than in 2021 but still a bit uneven on bottom. When lean enough, cheekbones were a decently strong feature at this point. Physique is included to thoroughly dismantle “oh your results are just from being leaner”. I was shredded and debloated here.
Around a 7/10 on my absolute best days and with BB cream and Lumify drops frauds

August 2024: cheekbones showing through despite being relatively bloated in the pic (GLP drugs totally changed my life in 2025-onward btw). Yes, there is swelling in this pic, but the real underlying growth was mostly permanent.

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GODSEND MOMENT. November 2024 iirc, a CRUCIAL moment: talking with yyamann, who later became St.Rotter, on here, because he had posted a bonesmashing full-face before-after with incredible changes. He showed me privately far more pics and clips demonstrating his incredible transformation. He was more boneless than me to begin with and heavily heavily developed his chin, jaw corners, and cheekbones. In fact, he kind of overdid his cheekbones like I did– one special use case tool to see something more objectively is to use the FaceApp gender swap to female, and his female version had CRAZY big cheekbones that almost looked fake.
^SO, TAKE NOTES: CHEEKBONES ARE THE EASIEST SPOT TO OVERDO!! His were overdone anteriorly and not laterally really, unlike mine
His program: I wish we had talked more specifically, but he said he did it every day for two years. Multiple times a day. Don’t remember if he talked about fists vs. hammer or more particulars on intensity, volume, and so forth: but what I remember is he went hard multiple time a day for two years, desperate to ascend a below-average face, and WOW were the changes insane. Squared up superman chad jaw. Ltn to either high HTN or low chadlite, with insane bone structure and with other minor maxxes surely chadlite.
HE GAVE ME HOPE TO START AGAIN. What this method is missing is ENOUGH CLEAR BEFORE-AFTERS such that people are convinced it works! Talking to him in private affirmed that my cheekbone gains to that point were not somehow placebo and that this was a legitimate method for those doing it properly and consistently for long enough. Though for some reason I think I wasn’t really consistent again until like February 2025 maybe.

Dec 2024 lean and debloated. Cheekbones are where they are now since I haven’t trained them since then, chin is decent, but it is the jaw corners, the ramus-gonions area, that is still too narrow and undefined and holding me back (and smiling with this expression made it look its best, if anything)…
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Which leads us to:

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PHASE 4 OF BONESMASHING,​

from about February-May 2025. I did more chin and then some jaw corners as well. A key thing was focusing on the chin corners, which I remember doing in May for width.
In Feb-March, I was doing this maybe EOD or every 2 days; in May, focusing mainly on chin corners, I was doing daily generally. I think in phase 4, my jaw corners may have gotten just slightly less narrow and that my chin width improved a little bit; but there were not other gains from this run of it besides this.

Left, June 2025, maybe 12-14%, debloated here. Right, July, 2025 about 12% bodyfat and debloated. While my 3/4ths had been the strongest angle in most lightings for a long time, some pics like this revealed the weakness of the jaw corners.
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COMMON THEME FOR REST OF 2025 PICS: Strong cheekbones, good chin, weak jaw corners. This is why I almost never took pics STRAIGHT ON, hating how rounded the lower third looked and how narrow relative to the cheekbones. Most of my pics are a slight look to the side like above as well as 3/4ths profile.


Mid July 2025, 11ish% bodyfat and debloated; similar deal, avoiding front angle pics because they revealed the poor lower third.

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August 2025, shredded at roughly 10% bodyfat and debloated, FINALLY a front pic: with this leanness and skin and general harmony and cheekbones, I was already low HTN I think (still in HTN range at present) but my lower third corners continued to hold me back from better aesthetics.

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^I’m not actually that badly recessed, but this is a down angle. Side profile way stronger than front by hiding the jaw corners weakness.
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Sept 11 2025 physique pic: I am shredded and debloated. So it becomes clear that my limiting factors face-wise at this point are structure-related with leanness-related improvements no longer really on the table. Hard capped at around 7/10 on my best days before starting jaw corners work to square ts up

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^I AM REALLY LEAN, but the lower third is NOT what it is now, still VERY inward-sloped corners. This is why it is NOT an option for copers to say that the difference was getting leaner JFL. If they want to claim filler, then so be it (but again at least apply this to anyone claiming results from any experiment here and not just this)

Mid Oct 2025. Around a 6.5 on worse days or 7/10 on best days (fluctuate a lot based on sleep, bloat, inflammation, skin, etc.):
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^Those 2 pics the same day, same story: could look good in some off-center pics, but destroyed in most straight-on ones with these inward jaw corners. Which also required me to be way leaner than I would have had to otherwise in order to have some hollows.

Late Oct 2025: Starting becoming too apparent that no amount of leanmaxxing would suddenly make the jaw corner area better atp


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^(bottom right pic above) You know how occasionally you have a picture that looks way better than you actually looked when looking back? This was one of those where by jaw corners look probably the best they have in any picture due to the combo of lighting and angle and luck in this pic. Yet, STILL pretty poor and sloping inward etc.

Mid Nov 2025: showing how unbalanced the cheekbones-lower third proportion is


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Lower third still trash. The few straight-on pics made this SO OBVIOUS that it became the next imminent looksmax when I took time at the end of the year to evaluate looks improvement opportunities…

END OF DECEMBER 2025: Evaluating different maxxes and weakness, I began trying to morph better jaw corners, and these imperfect morphs below helped me FINALLY see that I could ascend by improving this area:

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If you aren't taking time every now and then to step back and objectively see what looksmax opportunities you are overlooking, then you will be clumsy and slow with many maxxes as I was over the years. Use AI especially Claude for objective analysis; it is surprisingly based in pointing you to implants etc. vs. soft advice from Chat

So, this leads us to the present…–


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PHASE 5 OF BONESMASHING: JAN 1 2026-PRESENT (March 2 2026 as of now)​

Determined to square up/widen my jaw corners and ascend as hard as possible. To surpass the 7/10 cap. Incredible how oblivious I was to this, maybe in part thinking that constantly being even leaner would ascend this area even though I had kind of pushed this to the limit already.

From the night of Jan 1st, the swelling in the jaw corners already helped provide some temporary width and revealed how much better I was going to look as I grew this area
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^I took multiple pics after my early sessions because the swelling making my bone structure look better than ever before was such lifefuel.


^Vid I posted Jan 4th with some swelling as part of this post:
https://looksmax.org/threads/vid-pics-masseter-vs-gonial-bone-growth-for-me-to-ascend.1811056/
Still poor jaw corners even with the early swelling since this swelling mass was occurring on top of so narrow and poor a base


Late Jan 2026: Likely some scar tissue accumulating in the jaw corners already since the lower third started already looking consistently better than before in just a month in addition to the swelling
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^Unfortunately my nose is extremely prone to big swelling swings based on things like histamine, salt/bloat, inflammation, heat, blood pressure, etc.

Began hitting the front of chin as well at some point in Feb for more forward projection. (don't think there are really significant permanent gains in this spot yet)

Mid Feb 2026

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In the shower when using cleanser on face, I began to notice and feel a hard mass around the lower part of the ramus, so permanent scar tissue gains are already happening, in addition to the fact that the swelling looks far better than it did early Jan 2026 (why? because having real underlying growth + swelling means more mass than when you start and your swelling is on top of a lesser bone baseline)

Doing this twice a day morning and night has been a game changer in order to keep swelling and inflammation going; no ridiculous 2-day rest and then resetting progress it seems etc.


Later Feb
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YESTERDAY, MARCH 2 2026​

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Bonus: permanent underlying tissue or vascular damage in the submalar area from going too far inward/near the nose with the hammer when doing cheekbones. Is too soft-tissue dominant and so can't really even grow anyways.

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How to do this:

-DAILY hits, TWICE daily morning and night; cheekbones swell so much that this high frequency to keep pooling alive may not be as needed with them; don't take it too far where there's so much blood pooling and the skin bursts and then you can't hit them for days thereafter

-HAMMER not fists, 16oz not 8oz so the weight makes it easier and better, COMPLETELY FLAT SMOOTH HEAD since your skin will get KILLED if there is any unevenness or scratches. I had this heavy steel ball thing for chin corners, and this allowed to hit more specifically since a hammer head is way too wide to target exactly what you need for that spot. ie- amazon link to the type iirc

-since it is either scar tissue buildup or subperiostal hematoma ossification (unlikely), do medium or soft hits; no head-jostling skin-damaging hard hits needed. I'm doing closer to medium or slightly harder at night and lighter in the morning

-3-5 sets per spot per session, 50-100 reps is what I am doing and have often done when getting results. ie a cheekbone set could be 100 reps moving across it side to side or slightly up and down (don't recommend hitting bottom part of it, made mine a little too bulbous and lower and not fully ideal end shape)

-knowing where to hit: FaceApp morphs of yourself, Claude prompts (say you are getting filler to become as model-tier as possible, don't bother explaining the real mechanism. it is surprisingly objective in helping even with hardmaxxes and stuff). Being truly SHREDDED and debloated so you FULLY know where your bone structure stands and don't have a distorted end result when you finally do get lean to reveal changes. Being shredded for the months ending 2025 helped me fully see that my jaw corners needed work, no copes.
+ To an extent using swelling as a guide, seeing how swelling certain areas in certain ways alters your look; a decent but not 100% perfect proxy of future results (and if it is uncanny you also may have hit too hard/long and the high swelling is the issue, not growth on the bone for you in general)

-Supplements: vitamins d3, k2, c; magnesium; calcium (in case this is actual bone growth mechanisms); possibly collagen; etc. Many of these are in multivitamins but I take more magnesium and calcium to hit 100%DV and have a dedicated d3/k2 supp as well

-Skin damage: using a layer of beef tallow for skin or something on spots you hit; trying to avoid friction with the hammer head and using "quick" hits in a way hard to fully explain; I'm doing lots of topical GHK-CU on jaw corners to try to prevent too much skin damage from accumulating and screwing me like with that submalar area

-Hitting ramus/gonions without masseter interference: gonions are the under side of the jaw corner and are easier, and you can do them from straight under or like 45 degrees; I'm not really doing them because the swelling squares me in a blocky way that seems to look bad. I'm mainly doing the first 3/4ths of an inch of the ramus, mainly the lower part of this range starting down by the jaw corner point going up n down. To avoid masseter blocking, be shredded, turn head to side a bit, neck forward and jutting lower jaw, teeth/jaws apart a bit, and duck face to make skin more taut. These are nuances hard to fully explain that you kind of have to figure out

Whyd you bs your jaw?

 

[Poke Nixon!]

M

*This is a repost with permission – old one got deleted yesterday due to me having had other bonesmashing transformation posts in my history already. Shoutout to @Aryan Incel for getting them deleted so that I could repost this without violating any rules.
Because those posts were more basic before-afters. Whereas this is a definitive documentation of my face changes over 5 years and 5 periods of bonesmashing with commentary on the timeline and what I was doing and is a lot more valuable for people to see. This took many hours to compile.
Goals: promote real discussion; making this a legit method people are willing to try so they can get changes like me, Androgenic, Blake Speaks, and other users

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There are 4 main types of copers/deniers here that will be destroyed: ​

-1: "You just got leaner". Laughably proven false with shredded physique pics at different stages below where I was still boneless or had only developed one area

-2. "There are no real changes". Idek what to say to this lmao

-3. "Filler". Ig this can't be totally debunked. Yet, I grew my cheekbones and chin and jaw at DIFFERENT TIMES; wouldn't any non-retarded aesthetician, when consulting with me, tell me to do multiple areas at once for balance? Further, the unevenness at the bottom of my chin, which was blatant before and minimal now: why would I have waited to fill that for so long?
Second to last, pics from after making my cheekbones wider but while jaw was still narrow are included and look so uncanny: why would a professional let me fill the sides of them and kill my ratios like this? Also, permanent skin damage about the submalar area which isn't in the before pics and which is shown at the end.
And last, these changes were so gradual with so many pics as points of reference that it would have required like 10+ tiny filler sessions to fraud this so incrementally; even @Cheat_Win accumulated his insane lower third results with less sessions than this.

-4. "Puberty changes", "changes from PED androgenicity", etc. -Clearly not my case, starting this at 19, having different bones develop at different times depending on when I focused on them, gains coming mostly after PEDs, etc. And jaw corners changes almost entirely being within the last 2 months at age 23.

That being said, if you want to believe this is in some way faked, then idk what to say: but why should a way higher burden of proof be placed on this than on other posts on this site? Just because few have done this long enough and properly so as to get results? It says something that Androgenic and Blake Speaks are s-tier intellects in this space and are really the few to advocate for the efficacy of this. Though this likely works via scar tissue deposition accumulation and not subperiostal hematoma ossification

I am open to thoughtful users wanting to try to attribute my results to other things; I am not to those who arrogantly want to shut down discussion. Isn't the purpose of this an intellectually-humble scientific-mindset approach to looks improvement? Anyone thinking they can a priori "debunk" bonesmashing, because it is just "too crazy", does not have the type of open-mindedness needed to accomplish anything and will be behind the curve on things

I am getting a bunch of interested people to run my exact protocol so there will soon be an abundance of success case studies and this will be in the same respectability bucket, at least in the looksmax space, as going to the gym to build muscle

Should you do filler etc. instead?
I'm glad how this worked out for me and it it nice that, whether it is ossification via subperiostal hematomas or just hard scar tissue deposition buildup, that it feels like "my" bones and is permanent, but fillers ofc work.

As far as the time issue, even though this whole progression below SPANS ALMOST 5 YEARS, I was only doing this, let alone doing it properly, for a fraction of this period; I'm confident gains can be made in months since I have done this for chin and cheekbones and now jaw in the more productive periods of this.

Asymmetry: in my case I used it to FIX my chin asymmetry, and my jaw corners asymmetry, with strategically addressing it rn, is getting more and more balanced as well. Of all the possible risks and issues that come along with this, asymmetry isn't near the top imo.


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START. Late 2021, before any bonesmashing. 5.5-6/10 looks. Not a great baseline.​

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Narrow and pointier chin with clear unevenness at the bottom. Low cheekbone mass. Undefined jaw corner area with the ramus and gonions not wide enough for an aesthetic lower third.
-used FaceApp beard “shaven” filter to remove a little scruffy facial hair in some of these pics so it does not obscure the bone structure situation at all

Physique at the time. Since we are fully dismantling ALL copes: including “you just got leaner” and “filler” and all else:

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Now, even if I have been slightly less lean than this at times in recent months, my chin mass and cheekbones and lower third are still way more prominent and defined; here, I was relatively boneless even at this bodyfat due to these areas just not being that developed. More shredded boneless pics later.


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PHASE 1/5 BONESMASHING, early 2022 (around Feburary-July):​

Find out about bonesmashing through some combo of mewing content (maybe the mewing subreddit iirc) and Indigenous Swiss on YouTube (now deleted) – basically the only guy discussing it and with vids on it.

He claimed results from it and sold a couple courses related to it which I purchased. Since for one reason or another he seemed to want to erase himself from the internet, I won’t be sharing his transformation pics or books. But this was my start.

Bonesmashed for several months starting sometime early 2022: chin all over, cheekbones all over, jaw all over (including the mandible body itself, which I don’t recommend.

I WAS BLOATED TO HELL ON ROIDS (maybe a 4/10 or 5/10). I've been legit high-sub5 before, horrible face and bad skin in some moments. Generally like 15% bodyfat and lots of water retention from both diet and the PEDs. Thus, I could not fully see my underlying structure and ratios and what areas to really work on and how. I was hitting all over the cheekbones: not just the middle/upper parts, but the bottom too and the outer sides, leading to them in the present being a bit more bulbous/lower and WIDER than is ideal, hurting my harmony a bit. And, with my lower third width work only really starting at the beginning of 2026, my narrower lower third relative to the cheekbones was a harmony issue for sure.

-unattractive normie disaster with poor skin, totally invisible to girls, looking way older than my age at the time, etc.:
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STOPPED this first run of bonesmashing near the end of summer 2022: I think I was still too bloated to really see results / if they were happening and was discouraged. “Am I fucking insane/retarded for doing this? Is this a ridiculous cope that I’ve been spending a few mins on most days per week for months now?”

From this first run of bonesmashing, I developed some cheekbone mass and width (as revealed when leaner) but not noticeable changes on chin/jaw. I was overall doing it about every other day or every 2 days per Wolff’s Law-based ideas about this at the time – and I think this is dramatically inferior to doing daily, even if the sessions were longer and with harder hits. And also, the suboptimal frequency notwithstanding, I think this stuff also just takes TIME.

*Since cheekbones pool so well and don't recover right away, it seems they are the bone that can grow with lower frequency whereas if you keep letting the swelling on other spots die down between sessions then idk if you will get results efficiently or at all*

So, from late summer 2022 when I stopped phase 1 to early 2024 when phase 2 began, I didn’t do it.

SUMMER 2023, when I was slightly less bloated than usual but still like 11-12% and with PEDs bloat. LOOK HOW WIDE MY CHEEKBONES ARE WTF (also I think I had done a one-off bonesmashing session all over a couple days before for pump swelling purposes, so I think my chin was slightly more prominent-looking in these than it really was at the time around then):
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I'm like 6/10 in these at most rly

Vs. late 2021 below again before any bonesmashing...
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Again, this is SERIOUS stuff when it can’t be dissolved like filler, so you need to be SHREDDED so you fully see what you are doing and need to be very aware of how your ratios/features stand, etc.

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PHASE 2/5 of BONESMASHING:​

EARLY 2024 was the SECOND phase of bonesmashing. I don’t think it lasted very long: maybe a few weeks. I did cheekbones again and focused more on chin. I still wasn’t aware enough of how to objectively assess my needs in order to realize that squaring up the gonions-ramus area should have been a major priority, but I think I still targeted this area some.

Why did I stop again? Even though the swelling pump is motivating, I again wondered if I was crazy, if this was cope, etc. What a HUGE DISADVANTAGE to be double-minded about this during every session and to be unable to fully put your heart into the endeavor, not knowing if it is at all worthwhile. When enough people have proven results and this is considered a giga-legit method, then people can skip this start-stop madness that, if I had persisted through from the beginning, could have allowed for me to develop my current bone structure YEARS earlier.

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THIRD PHASE OF BONESMASHING:​

May-September 2024. I worked further mostly on cheekbones and a little bit of chin. This was where I fully finished developing cheekbones to where they are today. Lower third I again still under-focused on. Was minimal with chin as well.

So, it was mostly about my cheekbones. If you aren’t objectively assessing your appearance, then it is easy to have a NARROW VISION when seeing yourself in the mirror, focusing only on one feature that is weak or strong and ignoring other weak points and overall harmony. BE SMARTER THAN THIS. (Ie I've even had trash hairstyles and only realized it way later)

Protocol then: about EOD cheekbones due to the high level of swelling and skin irritation not allowing for daily. Did for a few mins during sessions but not sure exactly of sets/reps, but they ranged from like 30 hard hits to 100 medium hits, roughly.

END OF SUMMER 2024


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Cheekbones still too wide relative to the underdeveloped lower third. Chin seems slightly better than in 2021 but still a bit uneven on bottom. When lean enough, cheekbones were a decently strong feature at this point. Physique is included to thoroughly dismantle “oh your results are just from being leaner”. I was shredded and debloated here.
Around a 7/10 on my absolute best days and with BB cream and Lumify drops frauds

August 2024: cheekbones showing through despite being relatively bloated in the pic (GLP drugs totally changed my life in 2025-onward btw). Yes, there is swelling in this pic, but the real underlying growth was mostly permanent.

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GODSEND MOMENT. November 2024 iirc, a CRUCIAL moment: talking with yyamann, who later became St.Rotter, on here, because he had posted a bonesmashing full-face before-after with incredible changes. He showed me privately far more pics and clips demonstrating his incredible transformation. He was more boneless than me to begin with and heavily heavily developed his chin, jaw corners, and cheekbones. In fact, he kind of overdid his cheekbones like I did– one special use case tool to see something more objectively is to use the FaceApp gender swap to female, and his female version had CRAZY big cheekbones that almost looked fake.
^SO, TAKE NOTES: CHEEKBONES ARE THE EASIEST SPOT TO OVERDO!! His were overdone anteriorly and not laterally really, unlike mine
His program: I wish we had talked more specifically, but he said he did it every day for two years. Multiple times a day. Don’t remember if he talked about fists vs. hammer or more particulars on intensity, volume, and so forth: but what I remember is he went hard multiple time a day for two years, desperate to ascend a below-average face, and WOW were the changes insane. Squared up superman chad jaw. Ltn to either high HTN or low chadlite, with insane bone structure and with other minor maxxes surely chadlite.
HE GAVE ME HOPE TO START AGAIN. What this method is missing is ENOUGH CLEAR BEFORE-AFTERS such that people are convinced it works! Talking to him in private affirmed that my cheekbone gains to that point were not somehow placebo and that this was a legitimate method for those doing it properly and consistently for long enough. Though for some reason I think I wasn’t really consistent again until like February 2025 maybe.

Dec 2024 lean and debloated. Cheekbones are where they are now since I haven’t trained them since then, chin is decent, but it is the jaw corners, the ramus-gonions area, that is still too narrow and undefined and holding me back (and smiling with this expression made it look its best, if anything)…
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Which leads us to:

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PHASE 4 OF BONESMASHING,​

from about February-May 2025. I did more chin and then some jaw corners as well. A key thing was focusing on the chin corners, which I remember doing in May for width.
In Feb-March, I was doing this maybe EOD or every 2 days; in May, focusing mainly on chin corners, I was doing daily generally. I think in phase 4, my jaw corners may have gotten just slightly less narrow and that my chin width improved a little bit; but there were not other gains from this run of it besides this.

Left, June 2025, maybe 12-14%, debloated here. Right, July, 2025 about 12% bodyfat and debloated. While my 3/4ths had been the strongest angle in most lightings for a long time, some pics like this revealed the weakness of the jaw corners.
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COMMON THEME FOR REST OF 2025 PICS: Strong cheekbones, good chin, weak jaw corners. This is why I almost never took pics STRAIGHT ON, hating how rounded the lower third looked and how narrow relative to the cheekbones. Most of my pics are a slight look to the side like above as well as 3/4ths profile.


Mid July 2025, 11ish% bodyfat and debloated; similar deal, avoiding front angle pics because they revealed the poor lower third.

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August 2025, shredded at roughly 10% bodyfat and debloated, FINALLY a front pic: with this leanness and skin and general harmony and cheekbones, I was already low HTN I think (still in HTN range at present) but my lower third corners continued to hold me back from better aesthetics.

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^I’m not actually that badly recessed, but this is a down angle. Side profile way stronger than front by hiding the jaw corners weakness.
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Sept 11 2025 physique pic: I am shredded and debloated. So it becomes clear that my limiting factors face-wise at this point are structure-related with leanness-related improvements no longer really on the table. Hard capped at around 7/10 on my best days before starting jaw corners work to square ts up

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^I AM REALLY LEAN, but the lower third is NOT what it is now, still VERY inward-sloped corners. This is why it is NOT an option for copers to say that the difference was getting leaner JFL. If they want to claim filler, then so be it (but again at least apply this to anyone claiming results from any experiment here and not just this)

Mid Oct 2025. Around a 6.5 on worse days or 7/10 on best days (fluctuate a lot based on sleep, bloat, inflammation, skin, etc.):
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^Those 2 pics the same day, same story: could look good in some off-center pics, but destroyed in most straight-on ones with these inward jaw corners. Which also required me to be way leaner than I would have had to otherwise in order to have some hollows.

Late Oct 2025: Starting becoming too apparent that no amount of leanmaxxing would suddenly make the jaw corner area better atp


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^(bottom right pic above) You know how occasionally you have a picture that looks way better than you actually looked when looking back? This was one of those where by jaw corners look probably the best they have in any picture due to the combo of lighting and angle and luck in this pic. Yet, STILL pretty poor and sloping inward etc.

Mid Nov 2025: showing how unbalanced the cheekbones-lower third proportion is


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Lower third still trash. The few straight-on pics made this SO OBVIOUS that it became the next imminent looksmax when I took time at the end of the year to evaluate looks improvement opportunities…

END OF DECEMBER 2025: Evaluating different maxxes and weakness, I began trying to morph better jaw corners, and these imperfect morphs below helped me FINALLY see that I could ascend by improving this area:

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If you aren't taking time every now and then to step back and objectively see what looksmax opportunities you are overlooking, then you will be clumsy and slow with many maxxes as I was over the years. Use AI especially Claude for objective analysis; it is surprisingly based in pointing you to implants etc. vs. soft advice from Chat

So, this leads us to the present…–


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PHASE 5 OF BONESMASHING: JAN 1 2026-PRESENT (March 2 2026 as of now)​

Determined to square up/widen my jaw corners and ascend as hard as possible. To surpass the 7/10 cap. Incredible how oblivious I was to this, maybe in part thinking that constantly being even leaner would ascend this area even though I had kind of pushed this to the limit already.

From the night of Jan 1st, the swelling in the jaw corners already helped provide some temporary width and revealed how much better I was going to look as I grew this area
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^I took multiple pics after my early sessions because the swelling making my bone structure look better than ever before was such lifefuel.


^Vid I posted Jan 4th with some swelling as part of this post:
https://looksmax.org/threads/vid-pics-masseter-vs-gonial-bone-growth-for-me-to-ascend.1811056/
Still poor jaw corners even with the early swelling since this swelling mass was occurring on top of so narrow and poor a base


Late Jan 2026: Likely some scar tissue accumulating in the jaw corners already since the lower third started already looking consistently better than before in just a month in addition to the swelling
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^Unfortunately my nose is extremely prone to big swelling swings based on things like histamine, salt/bloat, inflammation, heat, blood pressure, etc.

Began hitting the front of chin as well at some point in Feb for more forward projection. (don't think there are really significant permanent gains in this spot yet)

Mid Feb 2026

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In the shower when using cleanser on face, I began to notice and feel a hard mass around the lower part of the ramus, so permanent scar tissue gains are already happening, in addition to the fact that the swelling looks far better than it did early Jan 2026 (why? because having real underlying growth + swelling means more mass than when you start and your swelling is on top of a lesser bone baseline)

Doing this twice a day morning and night has been a game changer in order to keep swelling and inflammation going; no ridiculous 2-day rest and then resetting progress it seems etc.


Later Feb
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YESTERDAY, MARCH 2 2026​

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Bonus: permanent underlying tissue or vascular damage in the submalar area from going too far inward/near the nose with the hammer when doing cheekbones. Is too soft-tissue dominant and so can't really even grow anyways.

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How to do this:

-DAILY hits, TWICE daily morning and night; cheekbones swell so much that this high frequency to keep pooling alive may not be as needed with them; don't take it too far where there's so much blood pooling and the skin bursts and then you can't hit them for days thereafter

-HAMMER not fists, 16oz not 8oz so the weight makes it easier and better, COMPLETELY FLAT SMOOTH HEAD since your skin will get KILLED if there is any unevenness or scratches. I had this heavy steel ball thing for chin corners, and this allowed to hit more specifically since a hammer head is way too wide to target exactly what you need for that spot. ie- amazon link to the type iirc

-since it is either scar tissue buildup or subperiostal hematoma ossification (unlikely), do medium or soft hits; no head-jostling skin-damaging hard hits needed. I'm doing closer to medium or slightly harder at night and lighter in the morning

-3-5 sets per spot per session, 50-100 reps is what I am doing and have often done when getting results. ie a cheekbone set could be 100 reps moving across it side to side or slightly up and down (don't recommend hitting bottom part of it, made mine a little too bulbous and lower and not fully ideal end shape)

-knowing where to hit: FaceApp morphs of yourself, Claude prompts (say you are getting filler to become as model-tier as possible, don't bother explaining the real mechanism. it is surprisingly objective in helping even with hardmaxxes and stuff). Being truly SHREDDED and debloated so you FULLY know where your bone structure stands and don't have a distorted end result when you finally do get lean to reveal changes. Being shredded for the months ending 2025 helped me fully see that my jaw corners needed work, no copes.
+ To an extent using swelling as a guide, seeing how swelling certain areas in certain ways alters your look; a decent but not 100% perfect proxy of future results (and if it is uncanny you also may have hit too hard/long and the high swelling is the issue, not growth on the bone for you in general)

-Supplements: vitamins d3, k2, c; magnesium; calcium (in case this is actual bone growth mechanisms); possibly collagen; etc. Many of these are in multivitamins but I take more magnesium and calcium to hit 100%DV and have a dedicated d3/k2 supp as well

-Skin damage: using a layer of beef tallow for skin or something on spots you hit; trying to avoid friction with the hammer head and using "quick" hits in a way hard to fully explain; I'm doing lots of topical GHK-CU on jaw corners to try to prevent too much skin damage from accumulating and screwing me like with that submalar area

-Hitting ramus/gonions without masseter interference: gonions are the under side of the jaw corner and are easier, and you can do them from straight under or like 45 degrees; I'm not really doing them because the swelling squares me in a blocky way that seems to look bad. I'm mainly doing the first 3/4ths of an inch of the ramus, mainly the lower part of this range starting down by the jaw corner point going up n down. To avoid masseter blocking, be shredded, turn head to side a bit, neck forward and jutting lower jaw, teeth/jaws apart a bit, and duck face to make skin more taut. These are nuances hard to fully explain that you kind of have to figure out

Love u man for the effort this is really helpful!

 

[GeneticDefect]

Applied to your skool

 

[unloveableltn]

Dnr you just debloated no ratios changed

and the cheek biting is killing me

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

and the cheek biting is killing me

I never bit as in teeth open biting but when I used to suction as hard as possible I didn't realize it could look retarded
Thankfully with structure now and leanness I don't rly "need" to do that sht haha

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Did you take HGH?

I think a very brief stint overlapping with "Bodybuilding" early on
Basically no

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Mirin effort, but im genuinely curious what were you even doing in the gym?

wdym

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

exactly why you cannot trust them fully

mb I assumed it wasn't free. Also I'm not saying ur lying. Im just skeptical, as everyone should always be. The thing with bonesmashing is that if it worked so effectively why doesn't everyone here just do it and ascend to chad. There are definitly limits to it and it does not work for everyone (and I would go as far as to so for most people it doesnt work)

Ive now seen other before-afters and more are coming along which I think will change perception of it; so I'm not saying this isn't understandable
Like before having clear verified success cases, it is almost an act of faith and you wondered if u were insane to be doing it
Then @St.Rotter showed me before after pics and clips of all kinds in private full face massive changes (had posted a hammer thread so I messaged to follow up) and that really cleared things up for me

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Courses, coaching, there is an insane amount of money in the looksmax / blackpill community on here and tiktok, average people dropping 200-300 on an order, then a couple bucks on an ai rating app, then money for makeup and fashion, then surgeries, you can capitalize on this

My credibility on this forum has already made me a significant amount of money, and I don't even advertise, my name gets spread and I get recognized on tiktok because of my shitty threads on here, if a more determined person was in my shoes they could make a shitload of cash

Hence, spending time and doing risky shit for credibility isn't an insane thing to do

If u are allowed to talk abt it or if it is DMs I'm curious what you do
In the process of getting real analysis done not just for shaping my future growth but also for other hardmaxxes needed, truly to push to elite tier in the best way

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

(Pics/vids?) UPDATED Undeniable Bonesmashing Results | Antegonial notch = straightened? | SpectrumAesthetics3 Phase II 2026 Plan Debrief

Old thread on my PHASE II 2026 plan for getting hammered and how I got hammered in Phase I as well Bottom line regarding the above thread on my hammer plan at the time: Realized along with @Seeyenar as we morphed and theorized for an hour that the ANTEGONIAL NOTCH is ALWAYS A FLAW, PERIOD...

looksmax.org

New update for those who've been tracking this thread or just found it
Straightened the antegonial notch successfully, it seems

The plan:

Results:

 

[shyaa]

*This is a repost with permission – old one got deleted yesterday due to me having had other bonesmashing transformation posts in my history already. Shoutout to @Aryan Incel for getting them deleted so that I could repost this without violating any rules.
Because those posts were more basic before-afters. Whereas this is a definitive documentation of my face changes over 5 years and 5 periods of bonesmashing with commentary on the timeline and what I was doing and is a lot more valuable for people to see. This took many hours to compile.
Goals: promote real discussion; making this a legit method people are willing to try so they can get changes like me, Androgenic, Blake Speaks, and other users

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There are 4 main types of copers/deniers here that will be destroyed: ​

-1: "You just got leaner". Laughably proven false with shredded physique pics at different stages below where I was still boneless or had only developed one area

-2. "There are no real changes". Idek what to say to this lmao

-3. "Filler". Ig this can't be totally debunked. Yet, I grew my cheekbones and chin and jaw at DIFFERENT TIMES; wouldn't any non-retarded aesthetician, when consulting with me, tell me to do multiple areas at once for balance? Further, the unevenness at the bottom of my chin, which was blatant before and minimal now: why would I have waited to fill that for so long?
Second to last, pics from after making my cheekbones wider but while jaw was still narrow are included and look so uncanny: why would a professional let me fill the sides of them and kill my ratios like this? Also, permanent skin damage about the submalar area which isn't in the before pics and which is shown at the end.
And last, these changes were so gradual with so many pics as points of reference that it would have required like 10+ tiny filler sessions to fraud this so incrementally; even @Cheat_Win accumulated his insane lower third results with less sessions than this.

-4. "Puberty changes", "changes from PED androgenicity", etc. -Clearly not my case, starting this at 19, having different bones develop at different times depending on when I focused on them, gains coming mostly after PEDs, etc. And jaw corners changes almost entirely being within the last 2 months at age 23.

That being said, if you want to believe this is in some way faked, then idk what to say: but why should a way higher burden of proof be placed on this than on other posts on this site? Just because few have done this long enough and properly so as to get results? It says something that Androgenic and Blake Speaks are s-tier intellects in this space and are really the few to advocate for the efficacy of this. Though this likely works via scar tissue deposition accumulation and not subperiostal hematoma ossification

I am open to thoughtful users wanting to try to attribute my results to other things; I am not to those who arrogantly want to shut down discussion. Isn't the purpose of this an intellectually-humble scientific-mindset approach to looks improvement? Anyone thinking they can a priori "debunk" bonesmashing, because it is just "too crazy", does not have the type of open-mindedness needed to accomplish anything and will be behind the curve on things

I am getting a bunch of interested people to run my exact protocol so there will soon be an abundance of success case studies and this will be in the same respectability bucket, at least in the looksmax space, as going to the gym to build muscle

Should you do filler etc. instead?
I'm glad how this worked out for me and it it nice that, whether it is ossification via subperiostal hematomas or just hard scar tissue deposition buildup, that it feels like "my" bones and is permanent, but fillers ofc work.

As far as the time issue, even though this whole progression below SPANS ALMOST 5 YEARS, I was only doing this, let alone doing it properly, for a fraction of this period; I'm confident gains can be made in months since I have done this for chin and cheekbones and now jaw in the more productive periods of this.

Asymmetry: in my case I used it to FIX my chin asymmetry, and my jaw corners asymmetry, with strategically addressing it rn, is getting more and more balanced as well. Of all the possible risks and issues that come along with this, asymmetry isn't near the top imo.


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START. Late 2021, before any bonesmashing. 5.5-6/10 looks. Not a great baseline.​

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Narrow and pointier chin with clear unevenness at the bottom. Low cheekbone mass. Undefined jaw corner area with the ramus and gonions not wide enough for an aesthetic lower third.
-used FaceApp beard “shaven” filter to remove a little scruffy facial hair in some of these pics so it does not obscure the bone structure situation at all

Physique at the time. Since we are fully dismantling ALL copes: including “you just got leaner” and “filler” and all else:

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Now, even if I have been slightly less lean than this at times in recent months, my chin mass and cheekbones and lower third are still way more prominent and defined; here, I was relatively boneless even at this bodyfat due to these areas just not being that developed. More shredded boneless pics later.


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PHASE 1/5 BONESMASHING, early 2022 (around Feburary-July):​

Find out about bonesmashing through some combo of mewing content (maybe the mewing subreddit iirc) and Indigenous Swiss on YouTube (now deleted) – basically the only guy discussing it and with vids on it.

He claimed results from it and sold a couple courses related to it which I purchased. Since for one reason or another he seemed to want to erase himself from the internet, I won’t be sharing his transformation pics or books. But this was my start.

Bonesmashed for several months starting sometime early 2022: chin all over, cheekbones all over, jaw all over (including the mandible body itself, which I don’t recommend.

I WAS BLOATED TO HELL ON ROIDS (maybe a 4/10 or 5/10). I've been legit high-sub5 before, horrible face and bad skin in some moments. Generally like 15% bodyfat and lots of water retention from both diet and the PEDs. Thus, I could not fully see my underlying structure and ratios and what areas to really work on and how. I was hitting all over the cheekbones: not just the middle/upper parts, but the bottom too and the outer sides, leading to them in the present being a bit more bulbous/lower and WIDER than is ideal, hurting my harmony a bit. And, with my lower third width work only really starting at the beginning of 2026, my narrower lower third relative to the cheekbones was a harmony issue for sure.

-unattractive normie disaster with poor skin, totally invisible to girls, looking way older than my age at the time, etc.:
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STOPPED this first run of bonesmashing near the end of summer 2022: I think I was still too bloated to really see results / if they were happening and was discouraged. “Am I fucking insane/retarded for doing this? Is this a ridiculous cope that I’ve been spending a few mins on most days per week for months now?”

From this first run of bonesmashing, I developed some cheekbone mass and width (as revealed when leaner) but not noticeable changes on chin/jaw. I was overall doing it about every other day or every 2 days per Wolff’s Law-based ideas about this at the time – and I think this is dramatically inferior to doing daily, even if the sessions were longer and with harder hits. And also, the suboptimal frequency notwithstanding, I think this stuff also just takes TIME.

*Since cheekbones pool so well and don't recover right away, it seems they are the bone that can grow with lower frequency whereas if you keep letting the swelling on other spots die down between sessions then idk if you will get results efficiently or at all*

So, from late summer 2022 when I stopped phase 1 to early 2024 when phase 2 began, I didn’t do it.

SUMMER 2023, when I was slightly less bloated than usual but still like 11-12% and with PEDs bloat. LOOK HOW WIDE MY CHEEKBONES ARE WTF (also I think I had done a one-off bonesmashing session all over a couple days before for pump swelling purposes, so I think my chin was slightly more prominent-looking in these than it really was at the time around then):
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I'm like 6/10 in these at most rly

Vs. late 2021 below again before any bonesmashing...
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Again, this is SERIOUS stuff when it can’t be dissolved like filler, so you need to be SHREDDED so you fully see what you are doing and need to be very aware of how your ratios/features stand, etc.

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PHASE 2/5 of BONESMASHING:​

EARLY 2024 was the SECOND phase of bonesmashing. I don’t think it lasted very long: maybe a few weeks. I did cheekbones again and focused more on chin. I still wasn’t aware enough of how to objectively assess my needs in order to realize that squaring up the gonions-ramus area should have been a major priority, but I think I still targeted this area some.

Why did I stop again? Even though the swelling pump is motivating, I again wondered if I was crazy, if this was cope, etc. What a HUGE DISADVANTAGE to be double-minded about this during every session and to be unable to fully put your heart into the endeavor, not knowing if it is at all worthwhile. When enough people have proven results and this is considered a giga-legit method, then people can skip this start-stop madness that, if I had persisted through from the beginning, could have allowed for me to develop my current bone structure YEARS earlier.

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THIRD PHASE OF BONESMASHING:​

May-September 2024. I worked further mostly on cheekbones and a little bit of chin. This was where I fully finished developing cheekbones to where they are today. Lower third I again still under-focused on. Was minimal with chin as well.

So, it was mostly about my cheekbones. If you aren’t objectively assessing your appearance, then it is easy to have a NARROW VISION when seeing yourself in the mirror, focusing only on one feature that is weak or strong and ignoring other weak points and overall harmony. BE SMARTER THAN THIS. (Ie I've even had trash hairstyles and only realized it way later)

Protocol then: about EOD cheekbones due to the high level of swelling and skin irritation not allowing for daily. Did for a few mins during sessions but not sure exactly of sets/reps, but they ranged from like 30 hard hits to 100 medium hits, roughly.

END OF SUMMER 2024


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Cheekbones still too wide relative to the underdeveloped lower third. Chin seems slightly better than in 2021 but still a bit uneven on bottom. When lean enough, cheekbones were a decently strong feature at this point. Physique is included to thoroughly dismantle “oh your results are just from being leaner”. I was shredded and debloated here.
Around a 7/10 on my absolute best days and with BB cream and Lumify drops frauds

August 2024: cheekbones showing through despite being relatively bloated in the pic (GLP drugs totally changed my life in 2025-onward btw). Yes, there is swelling in this pic, but the real underlying growth was mostly permanent.

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GODSEND MOMENT. November 2024 iirc, a CRUCIAL moment: talking with yyamann, who later became St.Rotter, on here, because he had posted a bonesmashing full-face before-after with incredible changes. He showed me privately far more pics and clips demonstrating his incredible transformation. He was more boneless than me to begin with and heavily heavily developed his chin, jaw corners, and cheekbones. In fact, he kind of overdid his cheekbones like I did– one special use case tool to see something more objectively is to use the FaceApp gender swap to female, and his female version had CRAZY big cheekbones that almost looked fake.
^SO, TAKE NOTES: CHEEKBONES ARE THE EASIEST SPOT TO OVERDO!! His were overdone anteriorly and not laterally really, unlike mine
His program: I wish we had talked more specifically, but he said he did it every day for two years. Multiple times a day. Don’t remember if he talked about fists vs. hammer or more particulars on intensity, volume, and so forth: but what I remember is he went hard multiple time a day for two years, desperate to ascend a below-average face, and WOW were the changes insane. Squared up superman chad jaw. Ltn to either high HTN or low chadlite, with insane bone structure and with other minor maxxes surely chadlite.
HE GAVE ME HOPE TO START AGAIN. What this method is missing is ENOUGH CLEAR BEFORE-AFTERS such that people are convinced it works! Talking to him in private affirmed that my cheekbone gains to that point were not somehow placebo and that this was a legitimate method for those doing it properly and consistently for long enough. Though for some reason I think I wasn’t really consistent again until like February 2025 maybe.

Dec 2024 lean and debloated. Cheekbones are where they are now since I haven’t trained them since then, chin is decent, but it is the jaw corners, the ramus-gonions area, that is still too narrow and undefined and holding me back (and smiling with this expression made it look its best, if anything)…
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PHASE 4 OF BONESMASHING,​

from about February-May 2025. I did more chin and then some jaw corners as well. A key thing was focusing on the chin corners, which I remember doing in May for width.
In Feb-March, I was doing this maybe EOD or every 2 days; in May, focusing mainly on chin corners, I was doing daily generally. I think in phase 4, my jaw corners may have gotten just slightly less narrow and that my chin width improved a little bit; but there were not other gains from this run of it besides this.

Left, June 2025, maybe 12-14%, debloated here. Right, July, 2025 about 12% bodyfat and debloated. While my 3/4ths had been the strongest angle in most lightings for a long time, some pics like this revealed the weakness of the jaw corners.
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COMMON THEME FOR REST OF 2025 PICS: Strong cheekbones, good chin, weak jaw corners. This is why I almost never took pics STRAIGHT ON, hating how rounded the lower third looked and how narrow relative to the cheekbones. Most of my pics are a slight look to the side like above as well as 3/4ths profile.


Mid July 2025, 11ish% bodyfat and debloated; similar deal, avoiding front angle pics because they revealed the poor lower third.

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August 2025, shredded at roughly 10% bodyfat and debloated, FINALLY a front pic: with this leanness and skin and general harmony and cheekbones, I was already low HTN I think (still in HTN range at present) but my lower third corners continued to hold me back from better aesthetics.

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^I’m not actually that badly recessed, but this is a down angle. Side profile way stronger than front by hiding the jaw corners weakness.
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Sept 11 2025 physique pic: I am shredded and debloated. So it becomes clear that my limiting factors face-wise at this point are structure-related with leanness-related improvements no longer really on the table. Hard capped at around 7/10 on my best days before starting jaw corners work to square ts up

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^I AM REALLY LEAN, but the lower third is NOT what it is now, still VERY inward-sloped corners. This is why it is NOT an option for copers to say that the difference was getting leaner JFL. If they want to claim filler, then so be it (but again at least apply this to anyone claiming results from any experiment here and not just this)

Mid Oct 2025. Around a 6.5 on worse days or 7/10 on best days (fluctuate a lot based on sleep, bloat, inflammation, skin, etc.):
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^Those 2 pics the same day, same story: could look good in some off-center pics, but destroyed in most straight-on ones with these inward jaw corners. Which also required me to be way leaner than I would have had to otherwise in order to have some hollows.

Late Oct 2025: Starting becoming too apparent that no amount of leanmaxxing would suddenly make the jaw corner area better atp


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^(bottom right pic above) You know how occasionally you have a picture that looks way better than you actually looked when looking back? This was one of those where by jaw corners look probably the best they have in any picture due to the combo of lighting and angle and luck in this pic. Yet, STILL pretty poor and sloping inward etc.

Mid Nov 2025: showing how unbalanced the cheekbones-lower third proportion is


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Lower third still trash. The few straight-on pics made this SO OBVIOUS that it became the next imminent looksmax when I took time at the end of the year to evaluate looks improvement opportunities…

END OF DECEMBER 2025: Evaluating different maxxes and weakness, I began trying to morph better jaw corners, and these imperfect morphs below helped me FINALLY see that I could ascend by improving this area:

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If you aren't taking time every now and then to step back and objectively see what looksmax opportunities you are overlooking, then you will be clumsy and slow with many maxxes as I was over the years. Use AI especially Claude for objective analysis; it is surprisingly based in pointing you to implants etc. vs. soft advice from Chat

So, this leads us to the present…–


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PHASE 5 OF BONESMASHING: JAN 1 2026-PRESENT (March 2 2026 as of now)​

Determined to square up/widen my jaw corners and ascend as hard as possible. To surpass the 7/10 cap. Incredible how oblivious I was to this, maybe in part thinking that constantly being even leaner would ascend this area even though I had kind of pushed this to the limit already.

From the night of Jan 1st, the swelling in the jaw corners already helped provide some temporary width and revealed how much better I was going to look as I grew this area
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^I took multiple pics after my early sessions because the swelling making my bone structure look better than ever before was such lifefuel.


^Vid I posted Jan 4th with some swelling as part of this post:
https://looksmax.org/threads/vid-pics-masseter-vs-gonial-bone-growth-for-me-to-ascend.1811056/
Still poor jaw corners even with the early swelling since this swelling mass was occurring on top of so narrow and poor a base


Late Jan 2026: Likely some scar tissue accumulating in the jaw corners already since the lower third started already looking consistently better than before in just a month in addition to the swelling
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^Unfortunately my nose is extremely prone to big swelling swings based on things like histamine, salt/bloat, inflammation, heat, blood pressure, etc.

Began hitting the front of chin as well at some point in Feb for more forward projection. (don't think there are really significant permanent gains in this spot yet)

Mid Feb 2026

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In the shower when using cleanser on face, I began to notice and feel a hard mass around the lower part of the ramus, so permanent scar tissue gains are already happening, in addition to the fact that the swelling looks far better than it did early Jan 2026 (why? because having real underlying growth + swelling means more mass than when you start and your swelling is on top of a lesser bone baseline)

Doing this twice a day morning and night has been a game changer in order to keep swelling and inflammation going; no ridiculous 2-day rest and then resetting progress it seems etc.


Later Feb
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YESTERDAY, MARCH 2 2026​

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Bonus: permanent underlying tissue or vascular damage in the submalar area from going too far inward/near the nose with the hammer when doing cheekbones. Is too soft-tissue dominant and so can't really even grow anyways.

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How to do this:

-DAILY hits, TWICE daily morning and night; cheekbones swell so much that this high frequency to keep pooling alive may not be as needed with them; don't take it too far where there's so much blood pooling and the skin bursts and then you can't hit them for days thereafter

-HAMMER not fists, 16oz not 8oz so the weight makes it easier and better, COMPLETELY FLAT SMOOTH HEAD since your skin will get KILLED if there is any unevenness or scratches. I had this heavy steel ball thing for chin corners, and this allowed to hit more specifically since a hammer head is way too wide to target exactly what you need for that spot. ie- amazon link to the type iirc

-since it is either scar tissue buildup or subperiostal hematoma ossification (unlikely), do medium or soft hits; no head-jostling skin-damaging hard hits needed. I'm doing closer to medium or slightly harder at night and lighter in the morning

-3-5 sets per spot per session, 50-100 reps is what I am doing and have often done when getting results. ie a cheekbone set could be 100 reps moving across it side to side or slightly up and down (don't recommend hitting bottom part of it, made mine a little too bulbous and lower and not fully ideal end shape)

-knowing where to hit: FaceApp morphs of yourself, Claude prompts (say you are getting filler to become as model-tier as possible, don't bother explaining the real mechanism. it is surprisingly objective in helping even with hardmaxxes and stuff). Being truly SHREDDED and debloated so you FULLY know where your bone structure stands and don't have a distorted end result when you finally do get lean to reveal changes. Being shredded for the months ending 2025 helped me fully see that my jaw corners needed work, no copes.
+ To an extent using swelling as a guide, seeing how swelling certain areas in certain ways alters your look; a decent but not 100% perfect proxy of future results (and if it is uncanny you also may have hit too hard/long and the high swelling is the issue, not growth on the bone for you in general)

-Supplements: vitamins d3, k2, c; magnesium; calcium (in case this is actual bone growth mechanisms); possibly collagen; etc. Many of these are in multivitamins but I take more magnesium and calcium to hit 100%DV and have a dedicated d3/k2 supp as well

-Skin damage: using a layer of beef tallow for skin or something on spots you hit; trying to avoid friction with the hammer head and using "quick" hits in a way hard to fully explain; I'm doing lots of topical GHK-CU on jaw corners to try to prevent too much skin damage from accumulating and screwing me like with that submalar area

-Hitting ramus/gonions without masseter interference: gonions are the under side of the jaw corner and are easier, and you can do them from straight under or like 45 degrees; I'm not really doing them because the swelling squares me in a blocky way that seems to look bad. I'm mainly doing the first 3/4ths of an inch of the ramus, mainly the lower part of this range starting down by the jaw corner point going up n down. To avoid masseter blocking, be shredded, turn head to side a bit, neck forward and jutting lower jaw, teeth/jaws apart a bit, and duck face to make skin more taut. These are nuances hard to fully explain that you kind of have to figure out

Mirin thread, subbed to ur YouTube. If u want to juice out more facial bone volume do this:
Thread 'HOW TO FORCE YOUR BODY TO BUILD BONES (ULTRA HIGH IQ) GTFIH'
https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to-force-your-body-to-build-bones-ultra-high-iq-gtfih.1967704/

 

[blonde slayer]

*This is a repost with permission – old one got deleted yesterday due to me having had other bonesmashing transformation posts in my history already. Shoutout to @Aryan Incel for getting them deleted so that I could repost this without violating any rules.
Because those posts were more basic before-afters. Whereas this is a definitive documentation of my face changes over 5 years and 5 periods of bonesmashing with commentary on the timeline and what I was doing and is a lot more valuable for people to see. This took many hours to compile.
Goals: promote real discussion; making this a legit method people are willing to try so they can get changes like me, Androgenic, Blake Speaks, and other users

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There are 4 main types of copers/deniers here that will be destroyed: ​

-1: "You just got leaner". Laughably proven false with shredded physique pics at different stages below where I was still boneless or had only developed one area

-2. "There are no real changes". Idek what to say to this lmao

-3. "Filler". Ig this can't be totally debunked. Yet, I grew my cheekbones and chin and jaw at DIFFERENT TIMES; wouldn't any non-retarded aesthetician, when consulting with me, tell me to do multiple areas at once for balance? Further, the unevenness at the bottom of my chin, which was blatant before and minimal now: why would I have waited to fill that for so long?
Second to last, pics from after making my cheekbones wider but while jaw was still narrow are included and look so uncanny: why would a professional let me fill the sides of them and kill my ratios like this? Also, permanent skin damage about the submalar area which isn't in the before pics and which is shown at the end.
And last, these changes were so gradual with so many pics as points of reference that it would have required like 10+ tiny filler sessions to fraud this so incrementally; even @Cheat_Win accumulated his insane lower third results with less sessions than this.

-4. "Puberty changes", "changes from PED androgenicity", etc. -Clearly not my case, starting this at 19, having different bones develop at different times depending on when I focused on them, gains coming mostly after PEDs, etc. And jaw corners changes almost entirely being within the last 2 months at age 23.

That being said, if you want to believe this is in some way faked, then idk what to say: but why should a way higher burden of proof be placed on this than on other posts on this site? Just because few have done this long enough and properly so as to get results? It says something that Androgenic and Blake Speaks are s-tier intellects in this space and are really the few to advocate for the efficacy of this. Though this likely works via scar tissue deposition accumulation and not subperiostal hematoma ossification

I am open to thoughtful users wanting to try to attribute my results to other things; I am not to those who arrogantly want to shut down discussion. Isn't the purpose of this an intellectually-humble scientific-mindset approach to looks improvement? Anyone thinking they can a priori "debunk" bonesmashing, because it is just "too crazy", does not have the type of open-mindedness needed to accomplish anything and will be behind the curve on things

I am getting a bunch of interested people to run my exact protocol so there will soon be an abundance of success case studies and this will be in the same respectability bucket, at least in the looksmax space, as going to the gym to build muscle

Should you do filler etc. instead?
I'm glad how this worked out for me and it it nice that, whether it is ossification via subperiostal hematomas or just hard scar tissue deposition buildup, that it feels like "my" bones and is permanent, but fillers ofc work.

As far as the time issue, even though this whole progression below SPANS ALMOST 5 YEARS, I was only doing this, let alone doing it properly, for a fraction of this period; I'm confident gains can be made in months since I have done this for chin and cheekbones and now jaw in the more productive periods of this.

Asymmetry: in my case I used it to FIX my chin asymmetry, and my jaw corners asymmetry, with strategically addressing it rn, is getting more and more balanced as well. Of all the possible risks and issues that come along with this, asymmetry isn't near the top imo.


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START. Late 2021, before any bonesmashing. 5.5-6/10 looks. Not a great baseline.​

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Narrow and pointier chin with clear unevenness at the bottom. Low cheekbone mass. Undefined jaw corner area with the ramus and gonions not wide enough for an aesthetic lower third.
-used FaceApp beard “shaven” filter to remove a little scruffy facial hair in some of these pics so it does not obscure the bone structure situation at all

Physique at the time. Since we are fully dismantling ALL copes: including “you just got leaner” and “filler” and all else:

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Now, even if I have been slightly less lean than this at times in recent months, my chin mass and cheekbones and lower third are still way more prominent and defined; here, I was relatively boneless even at this bodyfat due to these areas just not being that developed. More shredded boneless pics later.


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PHASE 1/5 BONESMASHING, early 2022 (around Feburary-July):​

Find out about bonesmashing through some combo of mewing content (maybe the mewing subreddit iirc) and Indigenous Swiss on YouTube (now deleted) – basically the only guy discussing it and with vids on it.

He claimed results from it and sold a couple courses related to it which I purchased. Since for one reason or another he seemed to want to erase himself from the internet, I won’t be sharing his transformation pics or books. But this was my start.

Bonesmashed for several months starting sometime early 2022: chin all over, cheekbones all over, jaw all over (including the mandible body itself, which I don’t recommend.

I WAS BLOATED TO HELL ON ROIDS (maybe a 4/10 or 5/10). I've been legit high-sub5 before, horrible face and bad skin in some moments. Generally like 15% bodyfat and lots of water retention from both diet and the PEDs. Thus, I could not fully see my underlying structure and ratios and what areas to really work on and how. I was hitting all over the cheekbones: not just the middle/upper parts, but the bottom too and the outer sides, leading to them in the present being a bit more bulbous/lower and WIDER than is ideal, hurting my harmony a bit. And, with my lower third width work only really starting at the beginning of 2026, my narrower lower third relative to the cheekbones was a harmony issue for sure.

-unattractive normie disaster with poor skin, totally invisible to girls, looking way older than my age at the time, etc.:
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STOPPED this first run of bonesmashing near the end of summer 2022: I think I was still too bloated to really see results / if they were happening and was discouraged. “Am I fucking insane/retarded for doing this? Is this a ridiculous cope that I’ve been spending a few mins on most days per week for months now?”

From this first run of bonesmashing, I developed some cheekbone mass and width (as revealed when leaner) but not noticeable changes on chin/jaw. I was overall doing it about every other day or every 2 days per Wolff’s Law-based ideas about this at the time – and I think this is dramatically inferior to doing daily, even if the sessions were longer and with harder hits. And also, the suboptimal frequency notwithstanding, I think this stuff also just takes TIME.

*Since cheekbones pool so well and don't recover right away, it seems they are the bone that can grow with lower frequency whereas if you keep letting the swelling on other spots die down between sessions then idk if you will get results efficiently or at all*

So, from late summer 2022 when I stopped phase 1 to early 2024 when phase 2 began, I didn’t do it.

SUMMER 2023, when I was slightly less bloated than usual but still like 11-12% and with PEDs bloat. LOOK HOW WIDE MY CHEEKBONES ARE WTF (also I think I had done a one-off bonesmashing session all over a couple days before for pump swelling purposes, so I think my chin was slightly more prominent-looking in these than it really was at the time around then):
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I'm like 6/10 in these at most rly

Vs. late 2021 below again before any bonesmashing...
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Again, this is SERIOUS stuff when it can’t be dissolved like filler, so you need to be SHREDDED so you fully see what you are doing and need to be very aware of how your ratios/features stand, etc.

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PHASE 2/5 of BONESMASHING:​

EARLY 2024 was the SECOND phase of bonesmashing. I don’t think it lasted very long: maybe a few weeks. I did cheekbones again and focused more on chin. I still wasn’t aware enough of how to objectively assess my needs in order to realize that squaring up the gonions-ramus area should have been a major priority, but I think I still targeted this area some.

Why did I stop again? Even though the swelling pump is motivating, I again wondered if I was crazy, if this was cope, etc. What a HUGE DISADVANTAGE to be double-minded about this during every session and to be unable to fully put your heart into the endeavor, not knowing if it is at all worthwhile. When enough people have proven results and this is considered a giga-legit method, then people can skip this start-stop madness that, if I had persisted through from the beginning, could have allowed for me to develop my current bone structure YEARS earlier.

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THIRD PHASE OF BONESMASHING:​

May-September 2024. I worked further mostly on cheekbones and a little bit of chin. This was where I fully finished developing cheekbones to where they are today. Lower third I again still under-focused on. Was minimal with chin as well.

So, it was mostly about my cheekbones. If you aren’t objectively assessing your appearance, then it is easy to have a NARROW VISION when seeing yourself in the mirror, focusing only on one feature that is weak or strong and ignoring other weak points and overall harmony. BE SMARTER THAN THIS. (Ie I've even had trash hairstyles and only realized it way later)

Protocol then: about EOD cheekbones due to the high level of swelling and skin irritation not allowing for daily. Did for a few mins during sessions but not sure exactly of sets/reps, but they ranged from like 30 hard hits to 100 medium hits, roughly.

END OF SUMMER 2024


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Cheekbones still too wide relative to the underdeveloped lower third. Chin seems slightly better than in 2021 but still a bit uneven on bottom. When lean enough, cheekbones were a decently strong feature at this point. Physique is included to thoroughly dismantle “oh your results are just from being leaner”. I was shredded and debloated here.
Around a 7/10 on my absolute best days and with BB cream and Lumify drops frauds

August 2024: cheekbones showing through despite being relatively bloated in the pic (GLP drugs totally changed my life in 2025-onward btw). Yes, there is swelling in this pic, but the real underlying growth was mostly permanent.

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GODSEND MOMENT. November 2024 iirc, a CRUCIAL moment: talking with yyamann, who later became St.Rotter, on here, because he had posted a bonesmashing full-face before-after with incredible changes. He showed me privately far more pics and clips demonstrating his incredible transformation. He was more boneless than me to begin with and heavily heavily developed his chin, jaw corners, and cheekbones. In fact, he kind of overdid his cheekbones like I did– one special use case tool to see something more objectively is to use the FaceApp gender swap to female, and his female version had CRAZY big cheekbones that almost looked fake.
^SO, TAKE NOTES: CHEEKBONES ARE THE EASIEST SPOT TO OVERDO!! His were overdone anteriorly and not laterally really, unlike mine
His program: I wish we had talked more specifically, but he said he did it every day for two years. Multiple times a day. Don’t remember if he talked about fists vs. hammer or more particulars on intensity, volume, and so forth: but what I remember is he went hard multiple time a day for two years, desperate to ascend a below-average face, and WOW were the changes insane. Squared up superman chad jaw. Ltn to either high HTN or low chadlite, with insane bone structure and with other minor maxxes surely chadlite.
HE GAVE ME HOPE TO START AGAIN. What this method is missing is ENOUGH CLEAR BEFORE-AFTERS such that people are convinced it works! Talking to him in private affirmed that my cheekbone gains to that point were not somehow placebo and that this was a legitimate method for those doing it properly and consistently for long enough. Though for some reason I think I wasn’t really consistent again until like February 2025 maybe.

Dec 2024 lean and debloated. Cheekbones are where they are now since I haven’t trained them since then, chin is decent, but it is the jaw corners, the ramus-gonions area, that is still too narrow and undefined and holding me back (and smiling with this expression made it look its best, if anything)…
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PHASE 4 OF BONESMASHING,​

from about February-May 2025. I did more chin and then some jaw corners as well. A key thing was focusing on the chin corners, which I remember doing in May for width.
In Feb-March, I was doing this maybe EOD or every 2 days; in May, focusing mainly on chin corners, I was doing daily generally. I think in phase 4, my jaw corners may have gotten just slightly less narrow and that my chin width improved a little bit; but there were not other gains from this run of it besides this.

Left, June 2025, maybe 12-14%, debloated here. Right, July, 2025 about 12% bodyfat and debloated. While my 3/4ths had been the strongest angle in most lightings for a long time, some pics like this revealed the weakness of the jaw corners.
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COMMON THEME FOR REST OF 2025 PICS: Strong cheekbones, good chin, weak jaw corners. This is why I almost never took pics STRAIGHT ON, hating how rounded the lower third looked and how narrow relative to the cheekbones. Most of my pics are a slight look to the side like above as well as 3/4ths profile.


Mid July 2025, 11ish% bodyfat and debloated; similar deal, avoiding front angle pics because they revealed the poor lower third.

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August 2025, shredded at roughly 10% bodyfat and debloated, FINALLY a front pic: with this leanness and skin and general harmony and cheekbones, I was already low HTN I think (still in HTN range at present) but my lower third corners continued to hold me back from better aesthetics.

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^I’m not actually that badly recessed, but this is a down angle. Side profile way stronger than front by hiding the jaw corners weakness.
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Sept 11 2025 physique pic: I am shredded and debloated. So it becomes clear that my limiting factors face-wise at this point are structure-related with leanness-related improvements no longer really on the table. Hard capped at around 7/10 on my best days before starting jaw corners work to square ts up

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^I AM REALLY LEAN, but the lower third is NOT what it is now, still VERY inward-sloped corners. This is why it is NOT an option for copers to say that the difference was getting leaner JFL. If they want to claim filler, then so be it (but again at least apply this to anyone claiming results from any experiment here and not just this)

Mid Oct 2025. Around a 6.5 on worse days or 7/10 on best days (fluctuate a lot based on sleep, bloat, inflammation, skin, etc.):
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^Those 2 pics the same day, same story: could look good in some off-center pics, but destroyed in most straight-on ones with these inward jaw corners. Which also required me to be way leaner than I would have had to otherwise in order to have some hollows.

Late Oct 2025: Starting becoming too apparent that no amount of leanmaxxing would suddenly make the jaw corner area better atp


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^(bottom right pic above) You know how occasionally you have a picture that looks way better than you actually looked when looking back? This was one of those where by jaw corners look probably the best they have in any picture due to the combo of lighting and angle and luck in this pic. Yet, STILL pretty poor and sloping inward etc.

Mid Nov 2025: showing how unbalanced the cheekbones-lower third proportion is


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Lower third still trash. The few straight-on pics made this SO OBVIOUS that it became the next imminent looksmax when I took time at the end of the year to evaluate looks improvement opportunities…

END OF DECEMBER 2025: Evaluating different maxxes and weakness, I began trying to morph better jaw corners, and these imperfect morphs below helped me FINALLY see that I could ascend by improving this area:

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If you aren't taking time every now and then to step back and objectively see what looksmax opportunities you are overlooking, then you will be clumsy and slow with many maxxes as I was over the years. Use AI especially Claude for objective analysis; it is surprisingly based in pointing you to implants etc. vs. soft advice from Chat

So, this leads us to the present…–


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PHASE 5 OF BONESMASHING: JAN 1 2026-PRESENT (March 2 2026 as of now)​

Determined to square up/widen my jaw corners and ascend as hard as possible. To surpass the 7/10 cap. Incredible how oblivious I was to this, maybe in part thinking that constantly being even leaner would ascend this area even though I had kind of pushed this to the limit already.

From the night of Jan 1st, the swelling in the jaw corners already helped provide some temporary width and revealed how much better I was going to look as I grew this area
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^I took multiple pics after my early sessions because the swelling making my bone structure look better than ever before was such lifefuel.


^Vid I posted Jan 4th with some swelling as part of this post:
https://looksmax.org/threads/vid-pics-masseter-vs-gonial-bone-growth-for-me-to-ascend.1811056/
Still poor jaw corners even with the early swelling since this swelling mass was occurring on top of so narrow and poor a base


Late Jan 2026: Likely some scar tissue accumulating in the jaw corners already since the lower third started already looking consistently better than before in just a month in addition to the swelling
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^Unfortunately my nose is extremely prone to big swelling swings based on things like histamine, salt/bloat, inflammation, heat, blood pressure, etc.

Began hitting the front of chin as well at some point in Feb for more forward projection. (don't think there are really significant permanent gains in this spot yet)

Mid Feb 2026

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In the shower when using cleanser on face, I began to notice and feel a hard mass around the lower part of the ramus, so permanent scar tissue gains are already happening, in addition to the fact that the swelling looks far better than it did early Jan 2026 (why? because having real underlying growth + swelling means more mass than when you start and your swelling is on top of a lesser bone baseline)

Doing this twice a day morning and night has been a game changer in order to keep swelling and inflammation going; no ridiculous 2-day rest and then resetting progress it seems etc.


Later Feb
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Bonus: permanent underlying tissue or vascular damage in the submalar area from going too far inward/near the nose with the hammer when doing cheekbones. Is too soft-tissue dominant and so can't really even grow anyways.

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How to do this:

-DAILY hits, TWICE daily morning and night; cheekbones swell so much that this high frequency to keep pooling alive may not be as needed with them; don't take it too far where there's so much blood pooling and the skin bursts and then you can't hit them for days thereafter

-HAMMER not fists, 16oz not 8oz so the weight makes it easier and better, COMPLETELY FLAT SMOOTH HEAD since your skin will get KILLED if there is any unevenness or scratches. I had this heavy steel ball thing for chin corners, and this allowed to hit more specifically since a hammer head is way too wide to target exactly what you need for that spot. ie- amazon link to the type iirc

-since it is either scar tissue buildup or subperiostal hematoma ossification (unlikely), do medium or soft hits; no head-jostling skin-damaging hard hits needed. I'm doing closer to medium or slightly harder at night and lighter in the morning

-3-5 sets per spot per session, 50-100 reps is what I am doing and have often done when getting results. ie a cheekbone set could be 100 reps moving across it side to side or slightly up and down (don't recommend hitting bottom part of it, made mine a little too bulbous and lower and not fully ideal end shape)

-knowing where to hit: FaceApp morphs of yourself, Claude prompts (say you are getting filler to become as model-tier as possible, don't bother explaining the real mechanism. it is surprisingly objective in helping even with hardmaxxes and stuff). Being truly SHREDDED and debloated so you FULLY know where your bone structure stands and don't have a distorted end result when you finally do get lean to reveal changes. Being shredded for the months ending 2025 helped me fully see that my jaw corners needed work, no copes.
+ To an extent using swelling as a guide, seeing how swelling certain areas in certain ways alters your look; a decent but not 100% perfect proxy of future results (and if it is uncanny you also may have hit too hard/long and the high swelling is the issue, not growth on the bone for you in general)

-Supplements: vitamins d3, k2, c; magnesium; calcium (in case this is actual bone growth mechanisms); possibly collagen; etc. Many of these are in multivitamins but I take more magnesium and calcium to hit 100%DV and have a dedicated d3/k2 supp as well

-Skin damage: using a layer of beef tallow for skin or something on spots you hit; trying to avoid friction with the hammer head and using "quick" hits in a way hard to fully explain; I'm doing lots of topical GHK-CU on jaw corners to try to prevent too much skin damage from accumulating and screwing me like with that submalar area

-Hitting ramus/gonions without masseter interference: gonions are the under side of the jaw corner and are easier, and you can do them from straight under or like 45 degrees; I'm not really doing them because the swelling squares me in a blocky way that seems to look bad. I'm mainly doing the first 3/4ths of an inch of the ramus, mainly the lower part of this range starting down by the jaw corner point going up n down. To avoid masseter blocking, be shredded, turn head to side a bit, neck forward and jutting lower jaw, teeth/jaws apart a bit, and duck face to make skin more taut. These are nuances hard to fully explain that you kind of have to figure out

Dnr xray or ldar

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Dnr xray or ldar

Wish I had before scans
I can still prob do some sort of scan that shows ALL tissue not just bone to see if there's tons of scar tissue collagen matrix mass, assuming it is that

 

[pslfinalboss]

Wish I had before scans
I can still prob do some sort of scan that shows ALL tissue not just bone to see if there's tons of scar tissue collagen matrix mass, assuming it is that

how long did it take you to develop your zygos and chin to a degree where its visible?

 

[Joeseminate]

Off topic but what did you do to your lips look way better know.

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Off topic but what did you do to your lips look way better know.

When dehydrated they are still bad
But I use topical GHK-CU for skin and I also put it on lips and have for a while
Injectable as well

 

[Avagar Nexus]

*This is a repost with permission – old one got deleted yesterday due to me having had other bonesmashing transformation posts in my history already. Shoutout to @Aryan Incel for getting them deleted so that I could repost this without violating any rules.
Because those posts were more basic before-afters. Whereas this is a definitive documentation of my face changes over 5 years and 5 periods of bonesmashing with commentary on the timeline and what I was doing and is a lot more valuable for people to see. This took many hours to compile.
Goals: promote real discussion; making this a legit method people are willing to try so they can get changes like me, Androgenic, Blake Speaks, and other users

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There are 4 main types of copers/deniers here that will be destroyed: ​

-1: "You just got leaner". Laughably proven false with shredded physique pics at different stages below where I was still boneless or had only developed one area

-2. "There are no real changes". Idek what to say to this lmao

-3. "Filler". Ig this can't be totally debunked. Yet, I grew my cheekbones and chin and jaw at DIFFERENT TIMES; wouldn't any non-retarded aesthetician, when consulting with me, tell me to do multiple areas at once for balance? Further, the unevenness at the bottom of my chin, which was blatant before and minimal now: why would I have waited to fill that for so long?
Second to last, pics from after making my cheekbones wider but while jaw was still narrow are included and look so uncanny: why would a professional let me fill the sides of them and kill my ratios like this? Also, permanent skin damage about the submalar area which isn't in the before pics and which is shown at the end.
And last, these changes were so gradual with so many pics as points of reference that it would have required like 10+ tiny filler sessions to fraud this so incrementally; even @Cheat_Win accumulated his insane lower third results with less sessions than this.

-4. "Puberty changes", "changes from PED androgenicity", etc. -Clearly not my case, starting this at 19, having different bones develop at different times depending on when I focused on them, gains coming mostly after PEDs, etc. And jaw corners changes almost entirely being within the last 2 months at age 23.

That being said, if you want to believe this is in some way faked, then idk what to say: but why should a way higher burden of proof be placed on this than on other posts on this site? Just because few have done this long enough and properly so as to get results? It says something that Androgenic and Blake Speaks are s-tier intellects in this space and are really the few to advocate for the efficacy of this. Though this likely works via scar tissue deposition accumulation and not subperiostal hematoma ossification

I am open to thoughtful users wanting to try to attribute my results to other things; I am not to those who arrogantly want to shut down discussion. Isn't the purpose of this an intellectually-humble scientific-mindset approach to looks improvement? Anyone thinking they can a priori "debunk" bonesmashing, because it is just "too crazy", does not have the type of open-mindedness needed to accomplish anything and will be behind the curve on things

I am getting a bunch of interested people to run my exact protocol so there will soon be an abundance of success case studies and this will be in the same respectability bucket, at least in the looksmax space, as going to the gym to build muscle

Should you do filler etc. instead?
I'm glad how this worked out for me and it it nice that, whether it is ossification via subperiostal hematomas or just hard scar tissue deposition buildup, that it feels like "my" bones and is permanent, but fillers ofc work.

As far as the time issue, even though this whole progression below SPANS ALMOST 5 YEARS, I was only doing this, let alone doing it properly, for a fraction of this period; I'm confident gains can be made in months since I have done this for chin and cheekbones and now jaw in the more productive periods of this.

Asymmetry: in my case I used it to FIX my chin asymmetry, and my jaw corners asymmetry, with strategically addressing it rn, is getting more and more balanced as well. Of all the possible risks and issues that come along with this, asymmetry isn't near the top imo.


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START. Late 2021, before any bonesmashing. 5.5-6/10 looks. Not a great baseline.​

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Narrow and pointier chin with clear unevenness at the bottom. Low cheekbone mass. Undefined jaw corner area with the ramus and gonions not wide enough for an aesthetic lower third.
-used FaceApp beard “shaven” filter to remove a little scruffy facial hair in some of these pics so it does not obscure the bone structure situation at all

Physique at the time. Since we are fully dismantling ALL copes: including “you just got leaner” and “filler” and all else:

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Now, even if I have been slightly less lean than this at times in recent months, my chin mass and cheekbones and lower third are still way more prominent and defined; here, I was relatively boneless even at this bodyfat due to these areas just not being that developed. More shredded boneless pics later.


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PHASE 1/5 BONESMASHING, early 2022 (around Feburary-July):​

Find out about bonesmashing through some combo of mewing content (maybe the mewing subreddit iirc) and Indigenous Swiss on YouTube (now deleted) – basically the only guy discussing it and with vids on it.

He claimed results from it and sold a couple courses related to it which I purchased. Since for one reason or another he seemed to want to erase himself from the internet, I won’t be sharing his transformation pics or books. But this was my start.

Bonesmashed for several months starting sometime early 2022: chin all over, cheekbones all over, jaw all over (including the mandible body itself, which I don’t recommend.

I WAS BLOATED TO HELL ON ROIDS (maybe a 4/10 or 5/10). I've been legit high-sub5 before, horrible face and bad skin in some moments. Generally like 15% bodyfat and lots of water retention from both diet and the PEDs. Thus, I could not fully see my underlying structure and ratios and what areas to really work on and how. I was hitting all over the cheekbones: not just the middle/upper parts, but the bottom too and the outer sides, leading to them in the present being a bit more bulbous/lower and WIDER than is ideal, hurting my harmony a bit. And, with my lower third width work only really starting at the beginning of 2026, my narrower lower third relative to the cheekbones was a harmony issue for sure.

-unattractive normie disaster with poor skin, totally invisible to girls, looking way older than my age at the time, etc.:
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STOPPED this first run of bonesmashing near the end of summer 2022: I think I was still too bloated to really see results / if they were happening and was discouraged. “Am I fucking insane/retarded for doing this? Is this a ridiculous cope that I’ve been spending a few mins on most days per week for months now?”

From this first run of bonesmashing, I developed some cheekbone mass and width (as revealed when leaner) but not noticeable changes on chin/jaw. I was overall doing it about every other day or every 2 days per Wolff’s Law-based ideas about this at the time – and I think this is dramatically inferior to doing daily, even if the sessions were longer and with harder hits. And also, the suboptimal frequency notwithstanding, I think this stuff also just takes TIME.

*Since cheekbones pool so well and don't recover right away, it seems they are the bone that can grow with lower frequency whereas if you keep letting the swelling on other spots die down between sessions then idk if you will get results efficiently or at all*

So, from late summer 2022 when I stopped phase 1 to early 2024 when phase 2 began, I didn’t do it.

SUMMER 2023, when I was slightly less bloated than usual but still like 11-12% and with PEDs bloat. LOOK HOW WIDE MY CHEEKBONES ARE WTF (also I think I had done a one-off bonesmashing session all over a couple days before for pump swelling purposes, so I think my chin was slightly more prominent-looking in these than it really was at the time around then):
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I'm like 6/10 in these at most rly

Vs. late 2021 below again before any bonesmashing...
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Again, this is SERIOUS stuff when it can’t be dissolved like filler, so you need to be SHREDDED so you fully see what you are doing and need to be very aware of how your ratios/features stand, etc.

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PHASE 2/5 of BONESMASHING:​

EARLY 2024 was the SECOND phase of bonesmashing. I don’t think it lasted very long: maybe a few weeks. I did cheekbones again and focused more on chin. I still wasn’t aware enough of how to objectively assess my needs in order to realize that squaring up the gonions-ramus area should have been a major priority, but I think I still targeted this area some.

Why did I stop again? Even though the swelling pump is motivating, I again wondered if I was crazy, if this was cope, etc. What a HUGE DISADVANTAGE to be double-minded about this during every session and to be unable to fully put your heart into the endeavor, not knowing if it is at all worthwhile. When enough people have proven results and this is considered a giga-legit method, then people can skip this start-stop madness that, if I had persisted through from the beginning, could have allowed for me to develop my current bone structure YEARS earlier.

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THIRD PHASE OF BONESMASHING:​

May-September 2024. I worked further mostly on cheekbones and a little bit of chin. This was where I fully finished developing cheekbones to where they are today. Lower third I again still under-focused on. Was minimal with chin as well.

So, it was mostly about my cheekbones. If you aren’t objectively assessing your appearance, then it is easy to have a NARROW VISION when seeing yourself in the mirror, focusing only on one feature that is weak or strong and ignoring other weak points and overall harmony. BE SMARTER THAN THIS. (Ie I've even had trash hairstyles and only realized it way later)

Protocol then: about EOD cheekbones due to the high level of swelling and skin irritation not allowing for daily. Did for a few mins during sessions but not sure exactly of sets/reps, but they ranged from like 30 hard hits to 100 medium hits, roughly.

END OF SUMMER 2024


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Cheekbones still too wide relative to the underdeveloped lower third. Chin seems slightly better than in 2021 but still a bit uneven on bottom. When lean enough, cheekbones were a decently strong feature at this point. Physique is included to thoroughly dismantle “oh your results are just from being leaner”. I was shredded and debloated here.
Around a 7/10 on my absolute best days and with BB cream and Lumify drops frauds

August 2024: cheekbones showing through despite being relatively bloated in the pic (GLP drugs totally changed my life in 2025-onward btw). Yes, there is swelling in this pic, but the real underlying growth was mostly permanent.

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GODSEND MOMENT. November 2024 iirc, a CRUCIAL moment: talking with yyamann, who later became St.Rotter, on here, because he had posted a bonesmashing full-face before-after with incredible changes. He showed me privately far more pics and clips demonstrating his incredible transformation. He was more boneless than me to begin with and heavily heavily developed his chin, jaw corners, and cheekbones. In fact, he kind of overdid his cheekbones like I did– one special use case tool to see something more objectively is to use the FaceApp gender swap to female, and his female version had CRAZY big cheekbones that almost looked fake.
^SO, TAKE NOTES: CHEEKBONES ARE THE EASIEST SPOT TO OVERDO!! His were overdone anteriorly and not laterally really, unlike mine
His program: I wish we had talked more specifically, but he said he did it every day for two years. Multiple times a day. Don’t remember if he talked about fists vs. hammer or more particulars on intensity, volume, and so forth: but what I remember is he went hard multiple time a day for two years, desperate to ascend a below-average face, and WOW were the changes insane. Squared up superman chad jaw. Ltn to either high HTN or low chadlite, with insane bone structure and with other minor maxxes surely chadlite.
HE GAVE ME HOPE TO START AGAIN. What this method is missing is ENOUGH CLEAR BEFORE-AFTERS such that people are convinced it works! Talking to him in private affirmed that my cheekbone gains to that point were not somehow placebo and that this was a legitimate method for those doing it properly and consistently for long enough. Though for some reason I think I wasn’t really consistent again until like February 2025 maybe.

Dec 2024 lean and debloated. Cheekbones are where they are now since I haven’t trained them since then, chin is decent, but it is the jaw corners, the ramus-gonions area, that is still too narrow and undefined and holding me back (and smiling with this expression made it look its best, if anything)…
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Which leads us to:

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PHASE 4 OF BONESMASHING,​

from about February-May 2025. I did more chin and then some jaw corners as well. A key thing was focusing on the chin corners, which I remember doing in May for width.
In Feb-March, I was doing this maybe EOD or every 2 days; in May, focusing mainly on chin corners, I was doing daily generally. I think in phase 4, my jaw corners may have gotten just slightly less narrow and that my chin width improved a little bit; but there were not other gains from this run of it besides this.

Left, June 2025, maybe 12-14%, debloated here. Right, July, 2025 about 12% bodyfat and debloated. While my 3/4ths had been the strongest angle in most lightings for a long time, some pics like this revealed the weakness of the jaw corners.
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COMMON THEME FOR REST OF 2025 PICS: Strong cheekbones, good chin, weak jaw corners. This is why I almost never took pics STRAIGHT ON, hating how rounded the lower third looked and how narrow relative to the cheekbones. Most of my pics are a slight look to the side like above as well as 3/4ths profile.


Mid July 2025, 11ish% bodyfat and debloated; similar deal, avoiding front angle pics because they revealed the poor lower third.

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August 2025, shredded at roughly 10% bodyfat and debloated, FINALLY a front pic: with this leanness and skin and general harmony and cheekbones, I was already low HTN I think (still in HTN range at present) but my lower third corners continued to hold me back from better aesthetics.

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^I’m not actually that badly recessed, but this is a down angle. Side profile way stronger than front by hiding the jaw corners weakness.
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Sept 11 2025 physique pic: I am shredded and debloated. So it becomes clear that my limiting factors face-wise at this point are structure-related with leanness-related improvements no longer really on the table. Hard capped at around 7/10 on my best days before starting jaw corners work to square ts up

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^I AM REALLY LEAN, but the lower third is NOT what it is now, still VERY inward-sloped corners. This is why it is NOT an option for copers to say that the difference was getting leaner JFL. If they want to claim filler, then so be it (but again at least apply this to anyone claiming results from any experiment here and not just this)

Mid Oct 2025. Around a 6.5 on worse days or 7/10 on best days (fluctuate a lot based on sleep, bloat, inflammation, skin, etc.):
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^Those 2 pics the same day, same story: could look good in some off-center pics, but destroyed in most straight-on ones with these inward jaw corners. Which also required me to be way leaner than I would have had to otherwise in order to have some hollows.

Late Oct 2025: Starting becoming too apparent that no amount of leanmaxxing would suddenly make the jaw corner area better atp


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^(bottom right pic above) You know how occasionally you have a picture that looks way better than you actually looked when looking back? This was one of those where by jaw corners look probably the best they have in any picture due to the combo of lighting and angle and luck in this pic. Yet, STILL pretty poor and sloping inward etc.

Mid Nov 2025: showing how unbalanced the cheekbones-lower third proportion is


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Lower third still trash. The few straight-on pics made this SO OBVIOUS that it became the next imminent looksmax when I took time at the end of the year to evaluate looks improvement opportunities…

END OF DECEMBER 2025: Evaluating different maxxes and weakness, I began trying to morph better jaw corners, and these imperfect morphs below helped me FINALLY see that I could ascend by improving this area:

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If you aren't taking time every now and then to step back and objectively see what looksmax opportunities you are overlooking, then you will be clumsy and slow with many maxxes as I was over the years. Use AI especially Claude for objective analysis; it is surprisingly based in pointing you to implants etc. vs. soft advice from Chat

So, this leads us to the present…–


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PHASE 5 OF BONESMASHING: JAN 1 2026-PRESENT (March 2 2026 as of now)​

Determined to square up/widen my jaw corners and ascend as hard as possible. To surpass the 7/10 cap. Incredible how oblivious I was to this, maybe in part thinking that constantly being even leaner would ascend this area even though I had kind of pushed this to the limit already.

From the night of Jan 1st, the swelling in the jaw corners already helped provide some temporary width and revealed how much better I was going to look as I grew this area
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^I took multiple pics after my early sessions because the swelling making my bone structure look better than ever before was such lifefuel.


^Vid I posted Jan 4th with some swelling as part of this post:
https://looksmax.org/threads/vid-pics-masseter-vs-gonial-bone-growth-for-me-to-ascend.1811056/
Still poor jaw corners even with the early swelling since this swelling mass was occurring on top of so narrow and poor a base


Late Jan 2026: Likely some scar tissue accumulating in the jaw corners already since the lower third started already looking consistently better than before in just a month in addition to the swelling
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^Unfortunately my nose is extremely prone to big swelling swings based on things like histamine, salt/bloat, inflammation, heat, blood pressure, etc.

Began hitting the front of chin as well at some point in Feb for more forward projection. (don't think there are really significant permanent gains in this spot yet)

Mid Feb 2026

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In the shower when using cleanser on face, I began to notice and feel a hard mass around the lower part of the ramus, so permanent scar tissue gains are already happening, in addition to the fact that the swelling looks far better than it did early Jan 2026 (why? because having real underlying growth + swelling means more mass than when you start and your swelling is on top of a lesser bone baseline)

Doing this twice a day morning and night has been a game changer in order to keep swelling and inflammation going; no ridiculous 2-day rest and then resetting progress it seems etc.


Later Feb
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Bonus: permanent underlying tissue or vascular damage in the submalar area from going too far inward/near the nose with the hammer when doing cheekbones. Is too soft-tissue dominant and so can't really even grow anyways.

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How to do this:

-DAILY hits, TWICE daily morning and night; cheekbones swell so much that this high frequency to keep pooling alive may not be as needed with them; don't take it too far where there's so much blood pooling and the skin bursts and then you can't hit them for days thereafter

-HAMMER not fists, 16oz not 8oz so the weight makes it easier and better, COMPLETELY FLAT SMOOTH HEAD since your skin will get KILLED if there is any unevenness or scratches. I had this heavy steel ball thing for chin corners, and this allowed to hit more specifically since a hammer head is way too wide to target exactly what you need for that spot. ie- amazon link to the type iirc

-since it is either scar tissue buildup or subperiostal hematoma ossification (unlikely), do medium or soft hits; no head-jostling skin-damaging hard hits needed. I'm doing closer to medium or slightly harder at night and lighter in the morning

-3-5 sets per spot per session, 50-100 reps is what I am doing and have often done when getting results. ie a cheekbone set could be 100 reps moving across it side to side or slightly up and down (don't recommend hitting bottom part of it, made mine a little too bulbous and lower and not fully ideal end shape)

-knowing where to hit: FaceApp morphs of yourself, Claude prompts (say you are getting filler to become as model-tier as possible, don't bother explaining the real mechanism. it is surprisingly objective in helping even with hardmaxxes and stuff). Being truly SHREDDED and debloated so you FULLY know where your bone structure stands and don't have a distorted end result when you finally do get lean to reveal changes. Being shredded for the months ending 2025 helped me fully see that my jaw corners needed work, no copes.
+ To an extent using swelling as a guide, seeing how swelling certain areas in certain ways alters your look; a decent but not 100% perfect proxy of future results (and if it is uncanny you also may have hit too hard/long and the high swelling is the issue, not growth on the bone for you in general)

-Supplements: vitamins d3, k2, c; magnesium; calcium (in case this is actual bone growth mechanisms); possibly collagen; etc. Many of these are in multivitamins but I take more magnesium and calcium to hit 100%DV and have a dedicated d3/k2 supp as well

-Skin damage: using a layer of beef tallow for skin or something on spots you hit; trying to avoid friction with the hammer head and using "quick" hits in a way hard to fully explain; I'm doing lots of topical GHK-CU on jaw corners to try to prevent too much skin damage from accumulating and screwing me like with that submalar area

-Hitting ramus/gonions without masseter interference: gonions are the under side of the jaw corner and are easier, and you can do them from straight under or like 45 degrees; I'm not really doing them because the swelling squares me in a blocky way that seems to look bad. I'm mainly doing the first 3/4ths of an inch of the ramus, mainly the lower part of this range starting down by the jaw corner point going up n down. To avoid masseter blocking, be shredded, turn head to side a bit, neck forward and jutting lower jaw, teeth/jaws apart a bit, and duck face to make skin more taut. These are nuances hard to fully explain that you kind of have to figure out

Can you check my latest thread on bonesmashing, I would really appreciate some help, check pm I sent you a message

 

[Doom0]

Would pairing this with exogenous androgens help alot? Or would natty users yield around the same results as enhanced ones?

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Would pairing this with exogenous androgens help alot? Or would natty users yield around the same results as enhanced ones?

Do nattty see my recent progress thread it’s so freak fast that it’s a poor reason to use them

 

[cctslbz]

Do nattty see my recent progress thread it’s so freak fast that it’s a poor reason to use them

Hey I’ve read your threads I would appreciate some clarity , so your tissue is it just fibrosis or is there actual deposited 3d bone formation along your submalar region , also you said your did your lower third aswell ; how did you avoid causing tmj or accidentally causing a subluxation of the mandible condyle where the condyle just pops .

Also you had really good zygomatic results bro like that’s closer to eriksen zygos than anything really

 

[Jizzer]

Can you do dicksmashing now ? My eeny meeny dick could use some motivation

just use the pump bro

 

[mtn.923]

What about brain damage tho?

 

[IvanPetlaca]

can bonesmashing possibly lead to asyymetry like accidentaly hitting uneven or scar tissue developing asymmetrically i am afraid of this since im naturally asymmetry final boss

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

What about brain damage tho?

trying to minimize head jostling and headaches
its not perfectly ideal im not going to actually damage stuff but if you have tons of money and dont mind temporality of it do filler etc

 

[mtn.923]

trying to minimize head jostling and headaches
its not perfectly ideal im not going to actually damage stuff but if you have tons of money and dont mind temporality of it do filler etc

Do u hit HARD or just enough to cause bruising

 

[lenvoalt]

Holy fuck not a single word nigger
all your doing when you repeatedly
Hits your bones with a hard object is building up scar tissue
There is no real
3-D outward changes of bone
It’s all scar tissue
Not to say that you won’t see any changes, but if you are going to
Use a massage gun
Keep in mind, scar tissue takes a ton of time to build up
And that’s the only real changes you’re gonna see