Height and frame are not nearly as important as face, if selecting the best fighter was women's goal then FaceandLMS would be selected over fucking Ian Somerhalder who is a 5ft9 slim manlet but has a good face.
The one on the right doesn't look at all hypermasculine, he looks slighly more masculine than the one on the left, this is an hypermasculine face.
But you're looking at two completely different faces. They Not only differ in dimorphism and "masculinity". They are 2 psl apart. If you get a clone or a twin of someone who is very masculine and feminize him (or vice versa) that's the true impact dimorphism has on attraction. Everything else is cope since they have a million different features other than dimorphism
Height and frame is very important
@rockndogs
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Thats not the point. Your claim was that women want the men who could mog in the infraspecies competition, aka the best fighter. The first guy looks like a better fighter, so going by your theory the more dimorphic the better. This is not true as I've shown you in the example. So now you come out with "they are 2 PSL apart" but you just contradicted yourself. If the "best fighter" theory was real then the first one would be perceived higher PSL than the second. Our PSL scale would be totally different and based on how strong and dimorphic the guy looks. But this is not the case, so the best fighter hypothesis can't be true.
Not nearly as face, it's not even close.
My point is that you need a mixture of both being pretty and dimorphic to appeal to women. And the lack of one will make you unattractive. Unlike women men can't be attractive with 0 dimorphism (very rare) and chico doesn't have 0 dimorphism. He is nothing compared to that ogre but that doesn't mean anything. He still looks like a man.
Yeah but below 5ft8 is automatic incel
Bro, you seem very low IQ so I am gonna explain to you once again.
Yeah I bet this 5ft8 guy is automatically incel
Just because they don't chose the highest t man that doesn't mean that being high t in general does not impact male attractiveness. You seem to ignore my points over and over and over again.
I really don't understand those females they can get the best Chad in the world but they go for a regular guy
Bro this doesn't make any sense. Women choose the highest they can in EVERYTHING, they choose the taller guy they can, the guy with the bigger dick, but for some reason they don't choose the more dimorphic because reasons? You are confusing my point, it was you that claimed that women select men based on how well they do in intraspecies competition (aka fighting success) so when I showed you 2 example of one guy who looks way stronger then the second then suddenly they don't choose no more based on fighting success but based on other parameters that you can't explain?
Women under pressure turn very submissive, it's not like you'll be punching her while you have intercourse with her, not at all. You might threaten her before hand and she'll stay submissive.
Same
Severing a woman's head is 100x more satisfying than rape
Because pure fighting success isn't just dependant on bones.
Yeah however high iq and dark triad alone are way more important than frame, face and height. A short ugly dark triad man can easily pass as non threatening, so he could use this as an advantage to kill a big masculine guy, however women don't select those kind of men. If high IQ was sexy then STEM workers would at least have a niche.
Yeah you already pointed out before that we or evolution didn't catch up to this. Modern society that favors high IQ dark triad men arguably exist only since 2000 years, arguably even only since 200 years.
A 99% dimorphic face is scary but men will not fight against you, their cortisol will spike up, you are basically making up those percentages to justify your theories. Face is very important for fighting success, try to KO a guy with "only" 87% percentile face dimorphism (whatever that means, I don't consider Lachowski that highly dimorphic) and try to KO a guy in the 99% percentile.
Ok we agree on this point
Great question
I mean other things equal, they are perfectly identical but only face differs. My point is that I don't really think women choose based on infraspecies competition, it's a complicated subject that blackpillers like to semplify too much.
@PubertyMaxxer confusing how? women are very non-confrontational, wouldn't expect a bunch of forum basement dwellers to know that though.
This is tbh a valid argument @Theodore Bagwell
No you're right tbh although the whole metoo movement etc might change that at least regarding rape
At first sight it may seem so
Second man is not infertile, he is just bald, and he has no diseases. She benefits from the fact that the man is basically impossible to kill by hands and will scare away 99% of competition
@Baldingman1998
I don't think his point makes any sense tbh, if they care about infraspecies competition then they would just care about the men mogging the most. Doesn't make sense that you have to pass a certain physical threeshold, if you mog you mog.
The physical threshold IS the indicator of mogging that's Visible and we are visual creatures by evolution.
Genetic mutations are not always bad, like blue eyes for example, this genetic mutation allows him to have huge facial bones with other huge bones like wrist bones and so on, the fact that he is bald or has wrinkles don't mean that he is infertile, there is no correlation between those two things. Even if he had hair and great collagen no woman would find him attractive, and that man has no mental handicap, just to be clear, he was able to win in the heavyweight boxing divisione despite poor training BECAUSE of his condition. So his condition is an advantage. Chico is not more dimorphic than 80% of men, at least not facially, in most unfrauded pics he doesn't look that masculine, however that's not my point: my point is that if some mutation is an advantage then women should be attracted to it, but that's not the case, they only like some mutations and dislike others despite of their results.
You are assuming the guy is infertile, which is not true, and he has diseases, which is not possible cause no boxing commission would let a diseased man fight, and the guy was an heavyweight boxing champ with little training due to his genetical condition, which was a plus in his life, not a con. Genetic mutations can be beneficial, we are all product of some genetic mutation.The physical threshold IS the indicator of mogging that's Visible and we are visual creatures by evolution.
In the form of fighting success indicators like frame/body and height or in the form of health/youth indicators.
A Hypermasculine infertile grandpa with tens of diseases signalled by his yellow-green skin will by your logic MOG Jacob sartorius
Symmetry or Ratios are particularly interesting. Proportions that deviate very strongly, especially deviate in the wrong dimorphic "direction " probably signal the risk of carrying and birthing an odd genetic mutation. Therefore high " Averageness" in terms of proportions is attractive.
You know, i admit you're right here. You won this.
Thanks bro, it's nice to argue with someone open minded that doesn't repeat the same mantras.
Thats what I'm trying to say, my point is that females don't act like a second natural selection, they use different parameters which we are still oblivious about.
Yeah the biologist Meike Stoverock titled her new Book FEMALE CHOICE which perfectly fits this discussion since only intersexual selection matters nowadays
I think that this system is very unstable tho, I would even argue that Intra sexual competition was born from the males who weren't selected and gets mitigated when things are not that unbalanced, so I think that if the future she envisions is gonna happen then a majority of men would resort to Intra species competition to get pussy.
