Pope Francis: ‘Morally everyone must take the vaccine’

[lutte]

He was crucified for blasphemy but he was a Jew (ethnically and religiously)

Jew applied to jesus =! jew applied to modern jews

 

[Deleted member 756]

@lutte i am asking who physically nailed Jesus to the cross? Was it a Jew or a Roman soldier?

 

[lutte]

@lutte i am asking who physically nailed Jesus to the cross? Was it a Jew or a Roman soldier?

Irrelevant they were just following orders

 

[Deleted member 6273]

JFL you really ate up the cope written by the romans

The Jews didn’t kill Jesus it was Roman lies to keep the riots down and stopping people from rebelling

source?

If we assume the accounts in the bible are accurate, the Romans technically crucified Jesus but the Jews sealed his fate, I haven't really read any other historical content from other authors so idk.

 

[Deleted member 756]

Irrelevant they were just following orders

So you’re saying Romans have no agency. They are incapable of independent thought?

 

[Deleted member 6273]

Jew applied to jesus =! jew applied to modern jews

elab, yeah they aren't exactly the same genetically speaking due to external ad mixture but aren't they technically the ancestors of modern Jews.

 

[lutte]

So you’re saying Romans have no agency. They are incapable of independent thought?

soldiers aren't responsible for the orders they are given

 

[Deleted member 6128]

24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

seems pretty clear

Fuck man this shit sucks that

source?

If we assume the accounts in the bible are accurate, the Romans technically crucified Jesus but the Jews sealed his fate, I haven't really read any other historical content from other authors so idk.

the Jews were split between Jesus some supported him others didn’t not to mention the Bible is wrong on so many things literally putting words in Jesus Mouth

Unlike the Romans there weren’t many supporting him as they were all polytheistic

 

[Deleted member 756]

soldiers aren't responsible for the orders they are given

I am asking you a simple question- were the Romans free agents in theory?

 

[Deleted member 6273]

Fuck man this shit sucks that

the Jews were split between Jesus some supported him others didn’t not to mention the Bible is wrong on so many things literally putting words in Jesus Mouth

Unlike the Romans there weren’t many supporting him as they were all polytheistic

yeah but where's the proof.

 

[lutte]

elab, yeah they aren't exactly the same genetically speaking due to external ad mixture but aren't they technically the ancestors of modern Jews.

The Jews today reject the teachings of Christ obviously they are not jewish in the same way Jesus was

 

[Deleted member 756]

The Jews today reject the teachings of Christ obviously they are not jewish in the same way Jesus was

Not necessarily
Around 10 percent of Jews are messianic Jews

 

[Deleted member 6128]

elab, yeah they aren't exactly the same genetically speaking due to external ad mixture but aren't they technically the ancestors of modern Jews.

There’s more than one Jew Ethnicity

 

[lutte]

I am asking you a simple question- were the Romans free agents in theory?

What do you mean exactly
They ruled judaea yes but they are of course beholden to the consent of the people they were ruling their power wasn't absolute

 

[lutte]

Not necessarily
Around 10 percent of Jews are messianic Jews

so christian?

 

[Deleted member 6128]

The Jews today reject the teachings of Christ obviously they are not jewish in the same way Jesus was

No they don’t you retard they literally view him as a Jewish teacher more Roman cope

 

[Deleted member 6273]

The Jews today reject the teachings of Christ obviously they are not jewish in the same way Jesus was

you mean religiously or ethnically? Religiously I agree ethnically I don't. The Jews back then also rejected Christ's teachings especially the Pharisees and sadducess

 

[lutte]

Fuck man this shit sucks that

the Jews were split between Jesus some supported him others didn’t not to mention the Bible is wrong on so many things literally putting words in Jesus Mouth

Unlike the Romans there weren’t many supporting him as they were all polytheistic

elaborate

yeah but where's the proof.

there are no other sources basically

 

[Deleted member 756]

What do you mean exactly
They ruled judaea yes but they are of course beholden to the consent of the people they were ruling their power wasn't absolute

Were Roman soldiers physically capable of disobeying orders?

 

[Deleted member 6128]

yeah but where's the proof.

His Disciples? The people he supported? His Baptist? His Parents? The people he pulled miracles on

 

[Deleted member 756]

so christian?

Debatable

 

[zeke714]

He was crucified for blasphemy but he was a Jew (ethnically and religiously)

(((Caiaphas and his people))) used it to justify his crucifixion even Pontius Pilate himself said he can't find any fault in him. Jesus committed no crime under Roman Law but was put to death anyway because Jews were crying out in pain (as always) to have him killed so Pilate abide to the rioters.

So when Pilate saw that he was gaining nothing, but rather that a riot was beginning, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying, "I am innocent of this man's blood; see to it yourselves." And all the people answered, "His blood be on us and on our children!"

 

[Deleted member 6128]

elaborate

There’s nothing to Elab Jesus had 12 Jewish Disciples the only Jews who opposed him were those in power even the fucking Bible states this

 

[lutte]

Were Roman soldiers physically capable of disobeying orders?

in their view they were executing an instigator
anyway nürnberg defence is often legitimate

 

[Deleted member 6273]

There’s more than one Jew Ethnicity

ok... but some Jews are religious while others are both religious and ethnically Jews, the difference is also due to admixture from the communities they settled into but DNA results show they have a similar ancetry (ashkenazi, sephardi, mizrahi etc)

 

[lutte]

you mean religiously or ethnically? Religiously I agree ethnically I don't. The Jews back then also rejected Christ's teachings especially the Pharisees and sadducess

I'm talking about the religious part here

 

[Deleted member 6128]

(((Caiaphas and his people))) used it to justify his crucifixion even Pontius Pilate himself said he can't find any fault in him. Jesus committed no crime under Roman Law but was put to death anyway because Jews were crying out in pain (as always) to have him killed so Pilate abide to the rioters.

He didn’t commit any crimes himself it was just that he had a large following and was a threat to authority in the area so he posed as a future threat

Nigga are you retarded? Did you forget the Romans hunter down and killed people who were Christian

 

[Deleted member 756]

in their view they were executing an instigator
anyway nürnberg defence is often legitimate

So you refuse to answer the question
Anyways all this debate strengthens the case for Israel having control over Judea and Samaria and there being no Palestinian state

 

[Deleted member 6128]

ok... but some Jews are religious while others are both religious and ethnically Jews, the difference is also due to admixture from the communities they settled into but DNA results show they have a similar ancetry (ashkenazi, sephardi, mizrahi etc)

Ye but if anything Jesus was a Mizrahi or a predecessor to them just like Moses. Mizrahi aren’t even Jewish religiously and know nothing abt their heritage

 

[Deleted member 6273]

His Disciples? The people he supported? His Baptist? His Parents? The people he pulled miracles on

water everyone knows this you said the Jews were split like it was 50/50 but I don't think that was the case the was consesus that Jesus had committed blasphemy that's how they conviced pilate to free Barrabas who was a criminal and crucify Jesus instead.

What is the bible not accurate on? What words does it put in Jesus mouth

 

[Deleted member 756]

Ye but if anything Jesus was a Mizrahi or a predecessor to them just like Moses. Mizrahi aren’t even Jewish religiously and know nothing abt their heritage

Mizrahi Jews are often the most religious actually

 

[lutte]

There’s nothing to Elab Jesus had 12 Jewish Disciples the only Jews who opposed him were those in power even the fucking Bible states this

what's the verse
if they follow jesus they are christian (religion) of jewish ethnicity but not jewish religion in the same ways like jews today

 

[Deleted member 6273]

(((Caiaphas and his people))) used it to justify his crucifixion even Pontius Pilate himself said he can't find any fault in him. Jesus committed no crime under Roman Law but was put to death anyway because Jews were crying out in pain (as always) to have him killed so Pilate abide to the rioters.

water lol, I didn't say the Jews didn't push for his death, I said he was crucified for committing blasphemy, but he was a Jew ethnically and the scriptures show he also practiced Judaism religiously.

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

water everyone knows this you said the Jews were split like it was 50/50 but I don't think that was the case the was consesus that Jesus had committed blasphemy that's how they conviced pilate to free Barrabas who was a criminal and crucify Jesus instead.

What is the bible not accurate on? What words does it put in Jesus mouth

Buy the book "The Five Gospels", made by a group of biblical historians

It paints in black the words that are not from The Beloved Jesus (alayhi a salam) which is like 80%, and in other colors the ones which are doubtful, probable, etc

 

[Deleted member 756]

water lol, I didn't say the Jews didn't push for his death, I said he was crucified for committing blasphemy, but he was a Jew ethnically and the scriptures show he also practiced Judaism religiously.

Anyways surely this was all part of God’s plan: the Bible does state how the crucifixion was planned by God so the Jews were merely doing what they had to do

 

[Deleted member 6128]

water everyone knows this you said the Jews were split like it was 50/50 but I don't think that was the case the was consesus that Jesus had committed blasphemy that's how they conviced pilate to free Barrabas who was a criminal and crucify Jesus instead.

What is the bible not accurate on? What words does it put in Jesus mouth

I haven’t read it in a while but Jesus never claimed he was the messiah or that he was the son of god

 

[Deleted member 6273]

Buy the book "The Five Gospels", made by a group of biblical historians

It paints in black the words that are not from The Beloved Jesus (alayhi a salam) which is like 80%, and in other colors the ones which are doubtful, probable, etc

What do you mean they paint his words in black can you give an example I don't fully understand what you're getting at.

 

[lutte]

I haven’t read it in a while but Jesus never claimed he was the messiah or that he was the son of god

He does

 

[Deleted member 6128]

what's the verse
if they follow jesus they are christian (religion) of jewish ethnicity but not jewish religion in the same ways like jews today

Wtf are you smoking just because they follow him doesn’t make them christian

They were jews who had Jesus as their teacher he would literally educate them and keep them on a straight path

 

[Deleted member 6273]

Anyways surely this was all part of God’s plan: the Bible does state how the crucifixion was planned by God so the Jews were merely doing what they had to do

yes technically which is why he said father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing.

 

[Deleted member 6128]

He does

He didn’t

 

[lutte]

Wtf are you smoking just because they follow him doesn’t make them christian

They were jews who had Jesus as their teacher he would literally educate them and keep them on a straight path

if they follow christ they are christian

 

[Deleted member 756]

yes technically which is why he said father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing.

This means we should support Israel and give them more money

 

[lutte]

He didn’t

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

 

[lutte]

Anyways surely this was all part of God’s plan: the Bible does state how the crucifixion was planned by God so the Jews were merely doing what they had to do

you're right, forgiveness is important

 

[Deleted member 6128]

if they follow christ they are christian

To be Christian you believe that Jesus is the son of god

The 12 disciples did not hence they are not Christian

 

[lutte]

This means we should support Israel and give them more money

who are "we"?

 

[Deleted member 14455]

Chad fuck my crush rn

 

[Deleted member 6128]

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Not those shitty translation of old Hebrew texts

 

[Deleted member 756]

you're right, forgiveness is important

Luther wanted to burn Jews alive in synagogues
How is that forgiveness?