Post–Face Lift Facial Paralysis

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PFPP = Post–Face Lift Facial Paralysis
FN = Facial Nerve

Facial nerve injuries, which are fucked up are rare af.

It's fucked up cause it's this nerve & its branches that control your facial expressions (facial muscles), taste (anterior 2/3s of tongue), tearing up (lacrimal glands) and salivating (some salivating glands)

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and you'll get some type of devastating paralysis depending on which branches get compromised

It does happen in facial lifts because that's how it's done :
Pic 1 : Scissors dissection separates the skin flap with the attached malar fat pad from the underlying orbicularis, which has been identified laterally. The dissection proceeds caudally (towards the tail or downward) and medially over the origin of the zygomaticus muscle.
Pics 2 & 3 : Suturing of the lateral edge of the undermined malar fat pad to the fascia over the malar eminenece. The traction on the fat pad is with sulficitent tension to flatten the nasolabial fold (which is like the goal of this shit :feelsuhh:/ old + non recessed niggas only tho).
Last pic : The point of suture fixation of the malar fat pad is indicated along a vector perpendicular to the nasolabial crease. The lateral arrow indicates the vector of maximum tension placed on the skin-flap closure.

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and btw patients with minimal subcutaneous fat or who undergo secondary face lift have higher risk for FN injury² and the the buccal branch is the most commonly injured branch³ (which will lead to massive asymmetry, loss of facial expression, inability to speak and eat, etc.) they do have ways to tell though, making it a skill issue :
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le danger zone

so it's rare i.e. 0.1% for permanent FN ("One must remember, however, that the rates in the literature are based on selfreported retrospective case series by highly experienced surgeons and therefore likely represent an incidence that is below average." Roostaeian et al. 2015 ) so there are a lot of botches from niggermaxed surgeons that go under the radar, in fact : PFFP represents 11% of allegations raised in face lift malpractice (botch) litigation⁵

I made this thread though cause there's this paper that just came out in the Plast. Reconstr. Surg. journal that reviewed 20 years of managing PFFP post-op.

Results :
A total of 25 patients (out of the approximately 5000 patients presenting to a tertiary care FN center) who experienced PFFP were referred for evaluation over the past 20 years. Eight patients required FN exploration (surgical examination basically), 6 of whom underwent nerve repair; all recovered to some degree, with 50% achieving essentially normal facial function. Fourteen patients underwent nonsurgical management, including physical therapy, chemodenervation, and filler therapy. Of these nonsurgical patients who were not lost to follow-up, 50% achieved normal facial function and 42% achieved nearly normal facial function. The single patient who had no spontaneous improvement presented outside the reinnervation window and was not an operative candidate.

Which is huge especially considering these are all old niggas : average age at time of face lift was 62 years (range, 33 to 76 years).

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B/a's :

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So it's never over basically (y)



¹Owsley, J. Q. (1993). Lifting the malar fat pad for correction of prominent nasolabial folds. Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, 91(3), 463–474.
² Roostaeian J, Rohrich RJ, Stuzin JM. Anatomical considerations to prevent facial nerve injury. Plast Reconstr Surg.2015;135:1318–1327.
³Stuzin JM. MOC-PSSM CME article: face lifting. Plast Reconstr Surg. 2008;121:1–19.
⁴Hwang, K., Cho, H. J., Battuvshin, D., Chung, I. H., & Hwang, S. H. (2005). Interrelated buccal fat pad with facial buccal branches and parotid duct. Journal of Craniofacial Surgery, 16(4), 658–660. https://doi.org/10.1097/01.SCS.0000157019.35407.55
⁵Kandinov A, Mutchnick S, Nangia V, et al. Analysis of factors associated with rhytidectomy malpractice litigation cases. JAMA Facial Plast Surg. 2017;19:255–259.
⁶Kaufman Goldberg, T., McGonagle, E. R., & Hadlock, T. A. (2024). Post–face lift facial paralysis: A 20-year experience. Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, 154(4), 748–758. https://doi.org/10.1097/PRS.0000000000011226
 
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PFPP = Post–Face Lift Facial Paralysis
FN = Facial Nerve



It's fucked up cause it's this nerve & its branches that control your facial expressions (facial muscles), taste (anterior 2/3s of tongue), tearing up (lacrimal glands) and salivating (some salivating glands)

View attachment 3232514View attachment 3232504

and you'll get some type of devastating paralysis depending on which branches get compromised

It does happen in facial lifts because that's how it's done :
Pic 1 : Scissors dissection separates the skin flap with the attached malar fat pad from the underlying orbicularis, which has been identified laterally. The dissection proceeds caudally (towards the tail or downward) and medially over the origin of the zygomaticus muscle.
Pics 2 & 3 : Suturing of the lateral edge of the undermined malar fat pad to the fascia over the malar eminenece. The traction on the fat pad is with sulficitent tension to flatten the nasolabial fold (which is like the goal of this shit :feelsuhh:/ old + non recessed niggas only tho).
Last pic : The point of suture fixation of the malar fat pad is indicated along a vector perpendicular to the nasolabial crease. The lateral arrow indicates the vector of maximum tension placed on the skin-flap closure.

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and btw patients with minimal subcutaneous fat or who undergo secondary face lift have higher risk for FN injury² and the the buccal branch is the most commonly injured branch³ (which will lead to massive asymmetry, loss of facial expression, inability to speak and eat, etc.) they do have ways to tell though, making it a skill issue :
View attachment 3232590
le danger zone

so it's rare i.e. 0.1% for permanent FN ("One must remember, however, that the rates in the literature are based on selfreported retrospective case series by highly experienced surgeons and therefore likely represent an incidence that is below average." Roostaeian et al. 2015 ) so there are a lot of botches from niggermaxed surgeons that go under the radar, in fact : PFFP represents 11% of allegations raised in face lift malpractice (botch) litigation⁵

I made this thread though cause there's this paper that just came out in the Plast. Reconstr. Surg. journal that reviewed 20 years of managing PFFP post-op.

Results :
A total of 25 patients (out of the approximately 5000 patients presenting to a tertiary care FN center) who experienced PFFP were referred for evaluation over the past 20 years. Eight patients required FN exploration (surgical examination basically), 6 of whom underwent nerve repair; all recovered to some degree, with 50% achieving essentially normal facial function. Fourteen patients underwent nonsurgical management, including physical therapy, chemodenervation, and filler therapy. Of these nonsurgical patients who were not lost to follow-up, 50% achieved normal facial function and 42% achieved nearly normal facial function. The single patient who had no spontaneous improvement presented outside the reinnervation window and was not an operative candidate.

Which is huge especially considering these are all old niggas : average age at time of face lift was 62 years (range, 33 to 76 years).

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B/a's :

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So it's never over basically (y)



¹Owsley, J. Q. (1993). Lifting the malar fat pad for correction of prominent nasolabial folds. Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, 91(3), 463–474.
² Roostaeian J, Rohrich RJ, Stuzin JM. Anatomical considerations to prevent facial nerve injury. Plast Reconstr Surg.2015;135:1318–1327.
³Stuzin JM. MOC-PSSM CME article: face lifting. Plast Reconstr Surg. 2008;121:1–19.
⁴Hwang, K., Cho, H. J., Battuvshin, D., Chung, I. H., & Hwang, S. H. (2005). Interrelated buccal fat pad with facial buccal branches and parotid duct. Journal of Craniofacial Surgery, 16(4), 658–660. https://doi.org/10.1097/01.SCS.0000157019.35407.55
⁵Kandinov A, Mutchnick S, Nangia V, et al. Analysis of factors associated with rhytidectomy malpractice litigation cases. JAMA Facial Plast Surg. 2017;19:255–259.
⁶Kaufman Goldberg, T., McGonagle, E. R., & Hadlock, T. A. (2024). Post–face lift facial paralysis: A 20-year experience. Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, 154(4), 748–758. https://doi.org/10.1097/PRS.0000000000011226
Wht about neck lift seems u got some major veins in ur neck. Ive got a big 1 tht shows on the left side.
 
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Wht about neck lift seems u got some major veins in ur neck. Ive got a big 1 tht shows on the left side.
Wdym? They know there's veins so they use electrocautery when they're close and shit.
 
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Wdym? They know there's veins so they use electrocautery when they're close and shit.
Idk how this all works:p the only time i hear about plastic surgery is when i see some botched crap on instagram. Or i see a girl tht got too much filler.
 
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not surgery
yh ik it just all falls under the same bracket to me though. Obviously surgery comes with more risk usually but i just see it as aesthetic artifical augmentation same as surgery.
 
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:ogre:
 
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'niggermaxed surgeons'?
 
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shi got me fucked u
but honestly chat know what u want b4 going into the surgery room and why u want it
and wht it is gonna do to u
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@NZb6Air
 
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what did the non-surgical patients do ?
were they given routine to follow ?
 
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PFPP = Post–Face Lift Facial Paralysis
FN = Facial Nerve



It's fucked up cause it's this nerve & its branches that control your facial expressions (facial muscles), taste (anterior 2/3s of tongue), tearing up (lacrimal glands) and salivating (some salivating glands)

View attachment 3232514View attachment 3232504

and you'll get some type of devastating paralysis depending on which branches get compromised

It does happen in facial lifts because that's how it's done :
Pic 1 : Scissors dissection separates the skin flap with the attached malar fat pad from the underlying orbicularis, which has been identified laterally. The dissection proceeds caudally (towards the tail or downward) and medially over the origin of the zygomaticus muscle.
Pics 2 & 3 : Suturing of the lateral edge of the undermined malar fat pad to the fascia over the malar eminenece. The traction on the fat pad is with sulficitent tension to flatten the nasolabial fold (which is like the goal of this shit :feelsuhh:/ old + non recessed niggas only tho).
Last pic : The point of suture fixation of the malar fat pad is indicated along a vector perpendicular to the nasolabial crease. The lateral arrow indicates the vector of maximum tension placed on the skin-flap closure.

View attachment 3232546View attachment 3232537View attachment 3232540View attachment 3232544¹


and btw patients with minimal subcutaneous fat or who undergo secondary face lift have higher risk for FN injury² and the the buccal branch is the most commonly injured branch³ (which will lead to massive asymmetry, loss of facial expression, inability to speak and eat, etc.) they do have ways to tell though, making it a skill issue :
View attachment 3232590
le danger zone

so it's rare i.e. 0.1% for permanent FN ("One must remember, however, that the rates in the literature are based on selfreported retrospective case series by highly experienced surgeons and therefore likely represent an incidence that is below average." Roostaeian et al. 2015 ) so there are a lot of botches from niggermaxed surgeons that go under the radar, in fact : PFFP represents 11% of allegations raised in face lift malpractice (botch) litigation⁵

I made this thread though cause there's this paper that just came out in the Plast. Reconstr. Surg. journal that reviewed 20 years of managing PFFP post-op.

Results :
A total of 25 patients (out of the approximately 5000 patients presenting to a tertiary care FN center) who experienced PFFP were referred for evaluation over the past 20 years. Eight patients required FN exploration (surgical examination basically), 6 of whom underwent nerve repair; all recovered to some degree, with 50% achieving essentially normal facial function. Fourteen patients underwent nonsurgical management, including physical therapy, chemodenervation, and filler therapy. Of these nonsurgical patients who were not lost to follow-up, 50% achieved normal facial function and 42% achieved nearly normal facial function. The single patient who had no spontaneous improvement presented outside the reinnervation window and was not an operative candidate.

Which is huge especially considering these are all old niggas : average age at time of face lift was 62 years (range, 33 to 76 years).

View attachment 3232621

B/a's :

View attachment 3232625View attachment 3232626View attachment 3232628View attachment 3232629


So it's never over basically (y)



¹Owsley, J. Q. (1993). Lifting the malar fat pad for correction of prominent nasolabial folds. Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, 91(3), 463–474.
² Roostaeian J, Rohrich RJ, Stuzin JM. Anatomical considerations to prevent facial nerve injury. Plast Reconstr Surg.2015;135:1318–1327.
³Stuzin JM. MOC-PSSM CME article: face lifting. Plast Reconstr Surg. 2008;121:1–19.
⁴Hwang, K., Cho, H. J., Battuvshin, D., Chung, I. H., & Hwang, S. H. (2005). Interrelated buccal fat pad with facial buccal branches and parotid duct. Journal of Craniofacial Surgery, 16(4), 658–660. https://doi.org/10.1097/01.SCS.0000157019.35407.55
⁵Kandinov A, Mutchnick S, Nangia V, et al. Analysis of factors associated with rhytidectomy malpractice litigation cases. JAMA Facial Plast Surg. 2017;19:255–259.
⁶Kaufman Goldberg, T., McGonagle, E. R., & Hadlock, T. A. (2024). Post–face lift facial paralysis: A 20-year experience. Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, 154(4), 748–758. https://doi.org/10.1097/PRS.0000000000011226
Did not understand
 
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nigga even if u get facial nerve injury(risk is already v low) (during paki bimax or whatever) it's not over
 
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nigga even if u get facial nerve injury(risk is already v low) (during paki bimax or whatever) it's not over
:lul: ah i see
 
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Will read soon i assume this is nerve damage lifefuel
 
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hopefuel, a great facelift is a very strong tool in the fight against the agepill (when appropriate time comes)
 
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