Povertymaxxing: A GUIDE

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LIVING HIGH LIVING LOW:

For your finances, there is little worse you can do than living above your means. Living significantly BELOW your means is an incredible way to get ahead.

For your diet, there is little worse you can do than overcomplicating or binging. Eating a consistent, healthy diet is a game changer when it comes to achieving your goals.

For your stress, economic insecurity is a sure way to spike cortisol and fuck up your gains. The pressure associated with deciding HOW to spend and HOW MUCH to spend is a daily issue for many. Plus, how are you going to afford all of those drugs if you're spending $3.50 on coffee every morning? Thats~$1277 a year! Do you know how many pharmaceuticals that can get you? Needless to say, having a cortisol spike whenever you open your bank account is certainly suboptimal.

If any of this is even slightly relatable or a concern of yours, povertymaxxing might be for you!

PREREQUISITES AND DISCLAIMERS

Im writing this guide as an American for an American audience. It should still work in other western countries, maybe even better, but you will have to pick up the slack in certain areas where resources/strategies are very America-centric.

To follow this correctly you need to be:

- Single
- Live alone (or rent to parents that hate you)
- Have the ability to digest lactose (optional if you're ok with building tolerance)
- Have access to an oven and cooking supplies
- Be willing to learn how to cook basic meals and experience trial and error
- Not rely on going outside to money wasting activities for your entertainment
- Have a stable source of income to store wealth from.
- Have friends willing to entertain your comic miserly cheapness

With that out of the way, let us begin.


CHAPTER ONE: FINDING A PLACE TO LIVE

Renting:


Its very hard to find a cheap place using the regular apps like zillow. Look for ads in other places, sketchy landlords, telephone poles, and on craigslist especially. Your apartment is not s status symbol. It's a place to sleep and cook. As long as it fulfills that purpose, you should be ready and willing to live there.
Screenshot 2025 12 31 at 111250AM
Even in my super high rent area in NH I can find apartments in good areas with utilities for under $1000. I can find an $18/hr job here in a day. Shitty rural areas offer even cheaper stuff.

You can also location max into a low income area if you have a widely in demand career or a remote job. You can find totally passable apartments for under $600 a month in places like Mississippi.

Screenshot 2025 12 31 at 112112AM


The key here is to always visit before living there, have a solid exit plan if things aren't how they should be, and MAKE SURE you have ready access to an oven and range. I cannot tell you how many people get the cheapest studio apartment available and waste all their hard earned money on expensive fast food because all they have to cook with is a microwave. There are ways to cook with just a microwave too, but it is admittedly suboptimal.

Applying for subsidized housing is a good way to go if your income is low enough, but this is only a temporary solution as you should ideally be finding subsidized housing prices on a lower middle class budget. It is the way to go if your income is super shit and you want to capitalize on it.

Tl/dr: Look on craigslist for the cheapest apartments.

With Parents:

Living with parents is a tricky one. It is theoretically very optimal but often if your parents have any sort of hope or respect for you they will want to do things with you, have you run errands for them, go on vacations with you, have meals with you, ETC. All of these things can throw a wrench in your goals of absolute efficiency. Also, parents are very good at spiking cortisol because they raised you and loved you as a child. Their unique ability to stress you out is suboptimal and you should aim to talk to them as little as possible. Living with parents is a very VERY good option if a couple of standards are met.

1. (pretty obvious) They do not demand more rent from you than would be otherwise available using the previous strategy

2. They do not demand much of you while encouraging your goals OR hate you and hope to avoid all interaction with you

3. They are financially responsible and will not come looking for bailouts from your dragons hoard when things get dicey

4. They do not encourage your participation in their wasteful activities (vacations, eating out, going to costly events, etc.)

5. They are not naggy and don't want you out of the house as quickly as possible.

This is a very valid strategy if these are true for you. Otherwise you might be better off living alone.

Tl/dr: If they don't actively fuck with your plans it is a pretty good choice. Otherwise, stay away.

Purchasing a House:

I really don't recommend this one in most places. Maybe after a couple years of misermaxxing you can afford one. If you live in Detroit or Saint Louis or a rural backwater this is much more doable.

Pros: Asset that accrues value. After its paid off it doesn't cost you anything besides taxes, utilities, and upkeep. Might even make you some good money.

Cons: high barrier to entry, potential liability and major stressor, most likely to get you in eternal debt unless you've povertymaxxed for a couple years before your purchase.

Homeless:

This is THEORETICALLY the best option as it costs nothing, but its basically unachievable. I have some ideas on how to get there, but it certainly isn't easy.

1. You have to find a safe place to sleep with little discomfort and security

2. You need to have a safe place to consistently go to the bathroom, shower, shave, etc. (gym is best for this)

3. You need to have a safe place to consistently store your food, cook, and eat. (Community centers and religious institutions are probably the best option for this. I am pretty certain if I asked my priest if I could access the church kitchen and pantry for personal use he would be fine with it as long as I cleaned up after myself and didn't mess with community supplies, ESPECIALLY if he knew I was homeless.)

4. You need ready access to public transportation or free parking.

It is certainly doable but not likely.

Tl/dr: probably not the best option unless you are certain the resources you have at your disposal can get you through.



CHAPTER TWO: TRANSPORTATION



This section is quite simple because there are basically three options.

Car
Public transport
Walking/Biking

For the car, ask everyone you know if they know a mechanic that can inspect the cheapest shit you find on facebook marketplace. Find one that works well enough to get you to around without being a massive money sink.

Public transport can be good if it is cheap and safe. Gauge this by doing a couple of trial runs on the bus, train, tram or whatever.

Walking and biking are basically only possible if you're a eurofag or live in some sort of unicorn community in the US/Canada/Australia. Or if you're willing to make daily transport your cardio as well. Just watch out for the truckmaxxed gigachads barreling down the street in their GMC sierra at 50mph because even if you can see him, he probably cannot see you.


CHAPTER THREE: DIET

This may sound a little schizo, but I believe I have found the cheapest possible way to achieve a high protein diet. It is very difficult, but you will find it to be very rewarding as I have found it to be so. This is probably the most crucial part of the whole guide, so do not skip. I can get your daily costs down to literal pocket change.


Are you willing to sacrifice comfort for the sake of absolute efficiency? This is the ultimate step to becoming a truly misermaxxed penny pincher. You will be able to put asian families to SHAME with your level of ruthless efficiency.

YEARLY PLAN:

I am 20 years old at 5'11 191 lbs and I exercise 4 times a week. Pretty average (for a white man), so I'm using myself as an example. My maintenance caloric needs are around 2,700 daily. Protein Content will be kept at around 200 grams a day, which is high protein and totally passable for any fitness regimen. You can significantly cheapen this diet by making all of the calories from the protein bread, but this will significantly decrease your protein intake.

Bulk buy

250 lbs of Whole Wheat Flour-$113 (here)

50 lbs Vital Wheat Gluten-$109.99 (here)

100 lbs powdered egg-$771.15 (here)

150 lbs powdered nonfat milk-$458.97 (here)

11 lbs L-Lysine powder-$120.97 (here)

365 Multivitamin tablets-12.99 (here)

Yeast, salt, sugar ETC buy from the grocery store as they are basically negligible macro scale because of low quantities and low price in this diet. Add ~ $100

TOTAL PER YEAR = $1687.07

WHAT YOU WILL USE PER YEAR:
250 lbs Whole Wheat Flour
50 lbs Vital Wheat Gluten
45.63 lbs powdered egg
150 lbs Powdered Milk
3.2 lbs L-Lysine

(It seems like a big investment, but when you consider the average american spends like $3000 a year for shitty food, the perfect diet nutritionally at this rate is a genuine lifesaver.)

PER DAY NUTRITION

3 Cup Whole Wheat Flour - 52g Protein 1320cal
5/8 Cup Vital Wheat Gluten - 58g Protein 290cal
2 cups Powdered milk - 50g Protein 500cal
80 grams Powdered Egg - 40g protein 500cal
4g L-Lysine a day - 4g protein 20cal

TOTALS:

2630 calories/day
204g protein/day
$4.62/day

L-lysine compensates for reliance on wheat gluten, eggs are a way to get fat in and more animal fat based micronutrients but are expensive compared to the other ingredients, so are kept to a minimum.

Overall, very passable diet which can easily be modified to any light bulk or cut you decide to go on.


PREPARATION

You will be drinking a lot of milk, so if you are lactose intolerant I recommend either finding lactose free powdered milk, or watching this video (link) of a chudette explaining how to build tolerance. Mix in the L-Lysine with the milk.

You've probably realized at this point that this requires BAKING. It sounds hard, but don't worry! I have a foolproof recipe designed for purpose that any retard could master in a couple of tries. Pic Below:

Screenshot 2025 12 31 at 25902PM

(note: this recipe neglects to mention to place in a well floured bowl covered with towel while rising. You can also score it with a razor blade before baking for the adorable cross)

IMG 0281


You will eat a whole loaf daily, or (what I prefer) eat half of today's loaf today, and half of YESTERDAY'S dry loaf, either chewed for the jaw gainz or soaked in the prepared powdered milk. This is a quite pleasant experience.

So, the average meal in a day will look like this:


IMG 0470


Delicious, non controversial, low stress and incredibly nutrient dense. Yum!

If you feel your mind slipping, you can allocate excess funds to spicing this diet up with the occasional brick of cheese, onions, or tomatoes. It is weak though. Why waste!? This is all you need.


Tl/dr: Really it's hard to condense, but the cheapest high protein source is Vital Wheat Gluten bought in bulk, so just eat that with l-lysine and simple carbs ig.

CHAPTER 4: STORING WEALTH

To keep you on track, you have to get the majority of your money AWAY. Out of sight, out of mind, right? I recommend for ease of use just opening a high yield savings account with a bank that isn't your main checking account provider. Make a monthly budget of EXACTLY what you need (bare minimum rent, gas utilities), get an easily accessible 1-2k emergency fund, and after that transfer ALL EXCESS FUNDS to the high yield savings account. Try not to check this thing to often, lest its balance tempt you. Obviously there are better investment strategies, but this is an easy one to follow and requires minimum effort. This can fund whatever you want it to.

CONCLUSION

There are obviously aspects I did not go over here, but I think following these principles will allow you to have a shit ton of excess money. Cutting out unnecessary spending at this level will 100% improve your finances and lower stress, and therefore improve your life. There is no reason not to be a miser for at least a while, especially if you're single and have no life like most of you. Thank you for reading.

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(pictured: example of successful povertymaxxed misercel. Moggs your bank account)
 
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Good thread, might need it someday. Who knows what life’s gonna throw at you :Comfy:
 
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Nice thread but change the title dawg. Not making botb with that.
 
isnt the amminoacids in the protein the thing u want to ingest? only protein powder isnt going to get you the things you need and they are only on meat (correct me if im wrong). good guide btw and living in your car is not that bad
 
just sell drugs at this point
 
horrible diet tbh, why would you eat straight gluten
just research Ray Peat
he had a big focus on affordable and nutritious diet
i'd say a good diet would be: milk, potatoes, carrots, sourdough, eggs, offal, gelatinous meat
occasional: aspirin, tea/coffee, sugar, seasonal fruit. jelly and other treats.
cooking oil: rendering your own animal fat and coconut oil

that's probably it in general. there are dozens of cool ideas to live more sustainably (like skip buying toilet paper and just wash your ass with water instead) i think a whole book would be needed to cover that topic.
 
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LIVING HIGH LIVING LOW:

For your finances, there is little worse you can do than living above your means. Living significantly BELOW your means is an incredible way to get ahead.

For your diet, there is little worse you can do than overcomplicating or binging. Eating a consistent, healthy diet is a game changer when it comes to achieving your goals.

For your stress, economic insecurity is a sure way to spike cortisol and fuck up your gains. The pressure associated with deciding HOW to spend and HOW MUCH to spend is a daily issue for many. Plus, how are you going to afford all of those drugs if you're spending $3.50 on coffee every morning? Thats~$1277 a year! Do you know how many pharmaceuticals that can get you? Needless to say, having a cortisol spike whenever you open your bank account is certainly suboptimal.

If any of this is even slightly relatable or a concern of yours, povertymaxxing might be for you!

PREREQUISITES AND DISCLAIMERS

Im writing this guide as an American for an American audience. It should still work in other western countries, maybe even better, but you will have to pick up the slack in certain areas where resources/strategies are very America-centric.

To follow this correctly you need to be:

- Single
- Live alone (or rent to parents that hate you)
- Have the ability to digest lactose (optional if you're ok with building tolerance)
- Have access to an oven and cooking supplies
- Be willing to learn how to cook basic meals and experience trial and error
- Not rely on going outside to money wasting activities for your entertainment
- Have a stable source of income to store wealth from.
- Have friends willing to entertain your comic miserly cheapness

With that out of the way, let us begin.


CHAPTER ONE: FINDING A PLACE TO LIVE

Renting:


Its very hard to find a cheap place using the regular apps like zillow. Look for ads in other places, sketchy landlords, telephone poles, and on craigslist especially. Your apartment is not s status symbol. It's a place to sleep and cook. As long as it fulfills that purpose, you should be ready and willing to live there. View attachment 4487586Even in my super high rent area in NH I can find apartments in good areas with utilities for under $1000. I can find an $18/hr job here in a day. Shitty rural areas offer even cheaper stuff.

You can also location max into a low income area if you have a widely in demand career or a remote job. You can find totally passable apartments for under $600 a month in places like Mississippi.

View attachment 4487597

The key here is to always visit before living there, have a solid exit plan if things aren't how they should be, and MAKE SURE you have ready access to an oven and range. I cannot tell you how many people get the cheapest studio apartment available and waste all their hard earned money on expensive fast food because all they have to cook with is a microwave. There are ways to cook with just a microwave too, but it is admittedly suboptimal.

Applying for subsidized housing is a good way to go if your income is low enough, but this is only a temporary solution as you should ideally be finding subsidized housing prices on a lower middle class budget. It is the way to go if your income is super shit and you want to capitalize on it.

Tl/dr: Look on craigslist for the cheapest apartments.

With Parents:

Living with parents is a tricky one. It is theoretically very optimal but often if your parents have any sort of hope or respect for you they will want to do things with you, have you run errands for them, go on vacations with you, have meals with you, ETC. All of these things can throw a wrench in your goals of absolute efficiency. Also, parents are very good at spiking cortisol because they raised you and loved you as a child. Their unique ability to stress you out is suboptimal and you should aim to talk to them as little as possible. Living with parents is a very VERY good option if a couple of standards are met.

1. (pretty obvious) They do not demand more rent from you than would be otherwise available using the previous strategy

2. They do not demand much of you while encouraging your goals OR hate you and hope to avoid all interaction with you

3. They are financially responsible and will not come looking for bailouts from your dragons hoard when things get dicey

4. They do not encourage your participation in their wasteful activities (vacations, eating out, going to costly events, etc.)

5. They are not naggy and don't want you out of the house as quickly as possible.

This is a very valid strategy if these are true for you. Otherwise you might be better off living alone.

Tl/dr: If they don't actively fuck with your plans it is a pretty good choice. Otherwise, stay away.

Purchasing a House:

I really don't recommend this one in most places. Maybe after a couple years of misermaxxing you can afford one. If you live in Detroit or Saint Louis or a rural backwater this is much more doable.

Pros: Asset that accrues value. After its paid off it doesn't cost you anything besides taxes, utilities, and upkeep. Might even make you some good money.

Cons: high barrier to entry, potential liability and major stressor, most likely to get you in eternal debt unless you've povertymaxxed for a couple years before your purchase.

Homeless:

This is THEORETICALLY the best option as it costs nothing, but its basically unachievable. I have some ideas on how to get there, but it certainly isn't easy.

1. You have to find a safe place to sleep with little discomfort and security

2. You need to have a safe place to consistently go to the bathroom, shower, shave, etc. (gym is best for this)

3. You need to have a safe place to consistently store your food, cook, and eat. (Community centers and religious institutions are probably the best option for this. I am pretty certain if I asked my priest if I could access the church kitchen and pantry for personal use he would be fine with it as long as I cleaned up after myself and didn't mess with community supplies, ESPECIALLY if he knew I was homeless.)

4. You need ready access to public transportation or free parking.

It is certainly doable but not likely.

Tl/dr: probably not the best option unless you are certain the resources you have at your disposal can get you through.



CHAPTER TWO: TRANSPORTATION



This section is quite simple because there are basically three options.

Car
Public transport
Walking/Biking

For the car, ask everyone you know if they know a mechanic that can inspect the cheapest shit you find on facebook marketplace. Find one that works well enough to get you to around without being a massive money sink.

Public transport can be good if it is cheap and safe. Gauge this by doing a couple of trial runs on the bus, train, tram or whatever.

Walking and biking are basically only possible if you're a eurofag or live in some sort of unicorn community in the US/Canada/Australia. Or if you're willing to make daily transport your cardio as well. Just watch out for the truckmaxxed gigachads barreling down the street in their GMC sierra at 50mph because even if you can see him, he probably cannot see you.

CHAPTER THREE: DIET

This may sound a little schizo, but I believe I have found the cheapest possible way to achieve a high protein diet. It is very difficult, but you will find it to be very rewarding as I have found it to be so. This is probably the most crucial part of the whole guide, so do not skip. I can get your daily costs down to literal pocket change.


Are you willing to sacrifice comfort for the sake of absolute efficiency? This is the ultimate step to becoming a truly misermaxxed penny pincher. You will be able to put asian families to SHAME with your level of ruthless efficiency.

YEARLY PLAN:

I am 20 years old at 5'11 191 lbs and I exercise 4 times a week. Pretty average (for a white man), so I'm using myself as an example. My maintenance caloric needs are around 2,700 daily. Protein Content will be kept at around 200 grams a day, which is high protein and totally passable for any fitness regimen. You can significantly cheapen this diet by making all of the calories from the protein bread, but this will significantly decrease your protein intake.

Bulk buy

250 lbs of Whole Wheat Flour-$113 (here)

50 lbs Vital Wheat Gluten-$109.99 (here)

100 lbs powdered egg-$771.15 (here)

150 lbs powdered nonfat milk-$458.97 (here)

11 lbs L-Lysine powder-$120.97 (here)

365 Multivitamin tablets-12.99 (here)

Yeast, salt, sugar ETC buy from the grocery store as they are basically negligible macro scale because of low quantities and low price in this diet. Add ~ $100

TOTAL PER YEAR = $1687.07

WHAT YOU WILL USE PER YEAR:
250 lbs Whole Wheat Flour
50 lbs Vital Wheat Gluten
45.63 lbs powdered egg
150 lbs Powdered Milk
3.2 lbs L-Lysine

(It seems like a big investment, but when you consider the average american spends like $3000 a year for shitty food, the perfect diet nutritionally at this rate is a genuine lifesaver.)

PER DAY NUTRITION

3 Cup Whole Wheat Flour - 52g Protein 1320cal
5/8 Cup Vital Wheat Gluten - 58g Protein 290cal
2 cups Powdered milk - 50g Protein 500cal
80 grams Powdered Egg - 40g protein 500cal
4g L-Lysine a day - 4g protein 20cal

TOTALS:

2630 calories/day
204g protein/day
$4.62/day

L-lysine compensates for reliance on wheat gluten, eggs are a way to get fat in and more animal fat based micronutrients but are expensive compared to the other ingredients, so are kept to a minimum.

Overall, very passable diet which can easily be modified to any light bulk or cut you decide to go on.


PREPARATION

You will be drinking a lot of milk, so if you are lactose intolerant I recommend either finding lactose free powdered milk, or watching this video (link) of a chudette explaining how to build tolerance. Mix in the L-Lysine with the milk.

You've probably realized at this point that this requires BAKING. It sounds hard, but don't worry! I have a foolproof recipe designed for purpose that any retard could master in a couple of tries. Pic Below:

View attachment 4487995

(note: this recipe neglects to mention to place in a well floured bowl covered with towel while rising. You can also score it with a razor blade before baking for the adorable cross)

View attachment 4488001

You will eat a whole loaf daily, or (what I prefer) eat half of today's loaf today, and half of YESTERDAY'S dry loaf, either chewed for the jaw gainz or soaked in the prepared powdered milk. This is a quite pleasant experience.

So, the average meal in a day will look like this:


View attachment 4488020

Delicious, non controversial, low stress and incredibly nutrient dense. Yum!

If you feel your mind slipping, you can allocate excess funds to spicing this diet up with the occasional brick of cheese, onions, or tomatoes. It is weak though. Why waste!? This is all you need.

Tl/dr: Really it's hard to condense, but the cheapest high protein source is Vital Wheat Gluten bought in bulk, so just eat that with l-lysine and simple carbs ig.

CHAPTER 4: STORING WEALTH

To keep you on track, you have to get the majority of your money AWAY. Out of sight, out of mind, right? I recommend for ease of use just opening a high yield savings account with a bank that isn't your main checking account provider. Make a monthly budget of EXACTLY what you need (bare minimum rent, gas utilities), get an easily accessible 1-2k emergency fund, and after that transfer ALL EXCESS FUNDS to the high yield savings account. Try not to check this thing to often, lest its balance tempt you. Obviously there are better investment strategies, but this is an easy one to follow and requires minimum effort. This can fund whatever you want it to.

CONCLUSION

There are obviously aspects I did not go over here, but I think following these principles will allow you to have a shit ton of excess money. Cutting out unnecessary spending at this level will 100% improve your finances and lower stress, and therefore improve your life. There is no reason not to be a miser for at least a while, especially if you're single and have no life like most of you. Thank you for reading.

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(pictured: example of successful povertymaxxed misercel. Moggs your bank account)
nice thread but what is that title
 

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