Prenatal T Bullshit

[randomvanish]

Why the fuck should i care about my mother's/fetal hormone before i born?
How the fuck a research about prenatal t helps someone to looksmax?
Stop arguing about hypothetical changes that helps NO ONE in this forum.

There is another kind of dumb cunts talking about having some surgeries starting from the age of 10.
What should we do now, invent time machine ?
I really hate seeing these bullshits everyday.
Be realistic.
I really hate autistics sometimes, really.

 

[TheoryMaxxer]

We need to know the theory of anything looks related tho dude, and it will explain why some people look a certain way, though I'm personally not even convinced high prenatal T is a good thing.

And advice for "surgeries" before 10, if we're talking orthotopic appliances is good information for when any of us ascend and become parents if we know what is enviromental.

 

[randomvanish]

We need to know the theory of anything looks related tho dude, and it will explain why some people look a certain way, though I'm personally not even convinced high prenatal T is a good thing.

And advice for "surgeries" before 10, if we're talking orthotopic appliances is good information for when any of us ascend and become parents if we know what is enviromental.

so you gonna experiment your child ? non-scientific people are like flies around the scientific research. they are just buzzing the sound and do nothing.
and when it comes to mike mew...
1 lunatic vs the whole Orthodontics society.

mewing is the worst meme anyway.
let you ask yourself. let's say you would be a child again. would you "mew" or get a proper treatment like this

???

all my friends who got proper ortodontic treatment have really beautiful chin/jaw/mouth area.
just don't be a poor loser and if your child have recession, get your child a proper ortodonthic treatment even it take years like whole puberty.

 

[Deleted member 3020]

over 7k members on .me, we should work together to invent a time machine tbh and it will fix all our problems

 

[randomvanish]

We need to know the theory of anything looks related tho dude, and it will explain why some people look a certain way, though I'm personally not even convinced high prenatal T is a good thing.

And advice for "surgeries" before 10, if we're talking orthotopic appliances is good information for when any of us ascend and become parents if we know what is enviromental.

btw,
my nephew got this treatment at the age of 8 to 10. he's 15 right now and he has a robust jaw and perfectly aligned chin.
his father don't have a chin, all our relatives have chin problems. only he got that thanks to orthodontics.

 

[oatmeal]

nah op ur wrong I will inject t into my wife forcefully while she pregnant so I get a high prenatal t child

 

[TheoryMaxxer]

so you gonna experiment your child ? non-scientific people are like flies around the scientific research. they are just buzzing the sound and do nothing.
and when it comes to mike mew...
1 lunatic vs the whole Orthodontics society.

mewing is the worst meme anyway.
let you ask yourself. let's say you would be a child again. would you "mew" or get a proper treatment like this
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???

all my friends who got proper ortodontic treatment have really beautiful chin/jaw/mouth area.
just don't be a poor loser and if your child have recession, get your child a proper ortodonthic treatment even it take years like whole puberty.

I implore you to look at the face shapes and dental arches of hunter-gatherer tribes, even the aboriginals of Australia which are hated on here used to look insane. Almost any good feature outside of phenotype is environmental and not genetic because the maxilla is the base for most of it, I will absolutely be making sure my children keep proper posture, exercise when young, and eat lots of tough nutritious food.

 

[oatmeal]

btw,
my nephew got this treatment at the age of 8 to 10. he's 15 right now and he has a robust jaw and perfectly aligned chin.
his father don't have a chin, all our relatives have chin problems. only he got that thanks to orthodontics.

but seriously, what kind of orthodontic treatment are you talking about? obviously not retractive orthodontics.

 

[TheoryMaxxer]

btw,
my nephew got this treatment at the age of 8 to 10. he's 15 right now and he has a robust jaw and perfectly aligned chin.
his father don't have a chin, all our relatives have chin problems. only he got that thanks to orthodontics.

There are always going to be outliers, and the specifics of his treatment might be different. Where I am most people are recessed, even the good looking ones are slightly, and about half of the children receive orthodontic treatment afaik.

 

[randomvanish]

I implore you to look at the face shapes and dental arches of hunter-gatherer tribes, even the aboriginals of Australia which are hated on here used to look insane. Almost any good feature outside of phenotype is environmental and not genetic because the maxilla is the base for most of it, I will absolutely be making sure my children keep proper posture, exercise when young, and eat lots of tough nutritious food.

well, enviromental changes.

why other mamalias don't have assymetries or failios ?
let's say cats. all they do eating pushy fabricated foods and laying down on the floor at homes.
i don't see any recession, asymmetry or any kind of "enviromental"changes on them. why?

 

[WadlowMaxxing]

so you gonna experiment your child ? non-scientific people are like flies around the scientific research. they are just buzzing the sound and do nothing.
and when it comes to mike mew...
1 lunatic vs the whole Orthodontics society.

mewing is the worst meme anyway.
let you ask yourself. let's say you would be a child again. would you "mew" or get a proper treatment like this
View attachment 807062
???

all my friends who got proper ortodontic treatment have really beautiful chin/jaw/mouth area.
just don't be a poor loser and if your child have recession, get your child a proper ortodonthic treatment even it take years like whole puberty.

Cope. Mouth breathing absolutely raped my face. I would nose breath/mew if I could go back in time instead of Dr shekelburg who would rip my teeth out

 

[TheoryMaxxer]

well, enviromental changes.

why other mamalias don't have assymetries or failios ?
let's say cats. all they do eating pushy fabricated foods and laying down on the floor at homes.
i don't see any recession, asymmetry or any kind of "enviromental"changes on them. why?

Actually, cats and dogs are among the only other animals which do experience malocclusion lol, and they don't have poor posture anyway, its chairs that have damaged us more than the sitting, Hadza are inactive for largely the same proportion of time as us.

 

[randomvanish]

Actually, cats and dogs are among the only other animals which do experience malocclusion lol, and they don't have poor posture anyway, its chairs that have damaged us more than the sitting, Hadza are inactive for largely the same proportion of time as us.

dude they literally ate fucking cat food all the time and they don't sleep at the jungle, they are sleeping in cushy pillows.
how that supposed to help them to be "natural"

 

[TheoryMaxxer]

dude they literally ate fucking cat food all the time and they don't sleep at the jungle, they are sleeping in cushy pillows.
how that supposed to help them to be "natural"

Yes exactly, they are the only other animals that DO experience maloclussion, because of the diet. But its not so much to do with the pillow (though that may well be something), they arent forcing themselves out of natural alignment like we do when we sit in chairs, like I said the Hadza are inactive at a very similar rate to those in the west, but they arent doing the sitting in chairs.

 

[randomvanish]

Yes exactly, they are the only other animals that DO experience maloclussion, because of the diet. But its not so much to do with the pillow (though that may well be something), they arent forcing themselves out of natural alignment like we do when we sit in chairs, like I said the Hadza are inactive at a very similar rate to those in the west, but they arent doing the sitting in chairs.

why you just omit the option that maybe those people have genetic mutation around the geography they lived in ?
all people (asians/africans/nords etc.) have some unique facial features when it comes to do comparison with others.

 

[TheoryMaxxer]

why you just omit the option that maybe those people have genetic mutation around the geography they lived in ?
all people (asians/africans/nords etc.) have some unique facial features when it comes to do comparison with others.

Because every single race when a hunter-gatherer doesn't have the issue? And every animal in the wild doesn't have the issue? I'm not saying genetics isn't a factor in how you look, of course, it is, but I think you will find that a prototypical attractive caucasian face, African face, and Asian face will share more similar characteristics with each other than they do of less attractive people of their own race.

 

[randomvanish]

Because every single race when a hunter-gatherer doesn't have the issue? And every animal in the wild doesn't have the issue? Im not saying genetics arent a factor in how you look, ofcourse they are, but I think you will find that a prototypical attractive caucasion face, African face and asian face will share more similar characteristics with each other than they do of less attractive people of their own race.

i'm not definitely against the fact that natural = beauty in general. because dimorphic features is about being healthy sometimes and it related with human biology that evolved in the time.

but not always. there are some points we cannot just concede to seal the deal.
think about fighter face. it's not attractive at all but it's strong, intimitating and powerful.
so natural habits of an "primitive" tribe would not be our answer to be a "chad".
so why even care then ?

 

[TheoryMaxxer]

i'm not definitely against the fact that natural = beauty in general. because dimorphic features is about being healthy sometimes and it related with human biology that evolved in the time.

but not always. there are some points we cannot just concede to seal the deal.
think about fighter face. it's not attractive at all but it's strong, intimitating and powerful.
so natural habits of an "primitive" tribe would not be our answer to be a "chad".
so why even care then ?

A face high in fighting success is basically just good forward growth and it is FAR more attractive than low fighting success lol.

 

[St. Wristcel]

u r fuken reterted
@Tony

 

[randomvanish]

A face high in fighting success is basically just good forward growth and it is FAR more attractive than low fighting success lol.
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but you compare boneless vs. the chad.

i'm talking about having a really scarry fighter face like khabib.
He looks like he can survive in a really dangerous position. his airways obviously strongly open than a normal person.
is he attractive ? no.
but he's better than a typical chad when it comes to evolutionary survival skills.
so ?

 

[TheoryMaxxer]

but you compare boneless vs. the chad.

i'm talking about having a really scarry fighter face like khabib.
He looks like he can survive in a really dangerous position. his airways obviously strongly open than a normal person.
is he attractive ? no.
but he's better than a typical chad when it comes to evolutionary survival skills.
so ?

"I'm talking about a complete outlier" okay, and when I show the averaged face for fighting success, the high fighting success is more attractive, so the conclusion is that high fighting success is something to aim for and not be afraid of because you might look like some nigga from the caucus mountains who has had his head smashed in 1000times.

Also, note the face the low success is literally recessed, and if anything looks like the higher t morph of the child...

Basically, in conclusion, a well-grown and hormonally balanced according to what your genetics want, not what the constant exposure to environmental oestrogens wants is good for you.

 

[randomvanish]

I show the averaged face for fighting success,

well does that looks like a fighter to you ? be honest. fighters are ugly as fuck, i mean majority of them. even though they have strong jaw and zygos.

 

[TheoryMaxxer]

well does that looks like a fighter to you ? be honest. fighters are ugly as fuck, i mean majority of them. even though they have strong jaw and zygos.

I honestly find khabib kinda aesthetic even though he's a complete ogre, but I'm well aware he looks fucking ugly too, but I think most fighters honestly are above average, but maybe that's me. It's probably more to do with them having been punched in the face over and over that causes the weird shape, but those averages aren't wrong, the higher fighting success face is better, we are just only looking at hyper-successful ufc fighters that have been in the game so long their faces are actually different in shape.

 

[JustBeCurry]

i cant tell if prenatal t is cope because literally everything is just genetic recombination

 

[TheoryMaxxer]

Cope. Mouth breathing absolutely raped my face. I would nose breath/mew if I could go back in time instead of Dr shekelburg who would rip my teeth out

@Dr Shekelberg, did you rip this man's teeth out?

 

[randomvanish]

I honestly find khabib kinda aesthetic even though he's a complete ogre, but I'm well aware he looks fucking ugly too, but I think most fighters honestly are above average, but maybe that's me. It's probably more to do with them having been punched in the face over and over that causes the weird shape, but those averages aren't wrong, the higher fighting success face is better, we are just only looking at hyper-successful ufc fighters that have been in the game so long their faces are actually different in shape.

they look respectable and you know kinda alpha. but literally no women would grool their pussies for them. it makes me think about the so called evolutinary understanding of dimorphism.

Although maybe fighters have something unhealthy and that makes them not attractive to women. i don't know.

 

[TheoryMaxxer]

i cant tell if prenatal t is cope because literally everything is just genetic recombination

read the biblical series above your post bc I cant be asked to type out my unwanted thoughts to you, but its probably more environmental and this genetic recombination thing is just people talking about shit they don't know about

 

[randomvanish]

i cant tell if prenatal t is cope because literally everything is just genetic recombination

the point is, it doesn't matter.
you cannot control it,you cannot improve it.
That's it.

 

[TheoryMaxxer]

they look respectable and you kinda alpha. but literally no women would grool their pussies for them. it makes me thinks about the so called evolutinary understanding of dimorphism.

Although maybe fighters have something unhealthy and that makes them not attractive to women. i don't know.

elab on what u mean by evolutionary understanding of dimorphism tbh

 

[JustBeCurry]

read the biblical series above your post bc I cant be asked to type out my unwanted thoughts to you, but its probably more environmental and this genetic recombination thing is just people talking about shit they don't know about

unironically didnt read nor am i going to

 

[TheoryMaxxer]

unironically didnt read nor am i going to

Ok then probably best to not keep spouting "muh recombination" all the time then.

 

[randomvanish]

elab on what u mean by evolutionary understanding of dimorphism tbh

for example why recession is ugly ? because it basically close the airways through to nose.
it's not healthy for human body.
so that's ugly.
strong browridge & no uee & thick eyebrows. basically the hunter eyes.
all of them protects the eye from impacts,from liquids, the vision.
teeths,big mouth, big lips, big cock, broad shoulders all can be explained by this basic relations.
healthy looks = prettier.
but not always. giant zygomatic arch bones are actually can protect the head from impacts, but not look beautiful.
so that is what actually "harmony" is.

 

[TheoryMaxxer]

for example why recession is ugly ? because it basically close the airways through to nose.
it's not healthy for human body.
so that's ugly.
strong browridge & no uee & thick eyebrows. basically the hunter eyes.
all of them protects the eye from impacts,from liquids, the vision.
teeths,big mouth, big lips, big cock, broad shoulders all can be explained by this basic relations.
healthy looks = prettier.
but not always. giant zygomatic arch bones are actually can protect the head from impacts, but not look beautiful.
so that is what actually "harmony" is.

But what are you linking to dimorphism there, I haven't heard anyone else mention this but a very feminine face and very masculine face are actually quite similar, low set ridge, higher fwhr so I'm pretty sure its largely misunderstood.

 

[MedMaxxing]

Prenatal T is a massive meme. Don't know why it is spammed so much on this forum. Your actual hormonal profile (balance between T and E) is far more important. Guess what massively influences that? The modern diet. Mothers and fathers especially in Western "uplifted" countries are tricked in to feeding their kids formula filled with xenoestrogens. This obviously has a far worse effect on men than it has on women for development of their hormonal profile. And you can find thousands of studies linking the importance of breastfeeding to development of a sufficiently large enough palette for the cranial base to support proper breathing and oral posture. Muh mewing in adulthood aside, bones are EXTREMELY malleable when you are younger and the tongue is a muscle. It's not some wild conspiracy that corporations and the elite want men especially uglier, dumbed down and docile. An ugly, weak, undeveloped male majority makes it much easier to subdue and influence and it has worked given the disgusting demand for OnlyFans but subhumanly developed men devoid of all sense of intimacy due to substandard looks. I have even spoken to a surgeon on here who has corroborated the fact that chewing hard substances during development has a direct correlation to Ramus length and mandibular growth. Overall, the dominant western lifestyle is horrible for men especially (somewhat for women too even though the extra estrogen in foods and drinks allows them to develop earlier and ironically more robust female features like their bodies). Genetics obviously play a huge role in your potential as your features such as eye colour, lip shape and size, eyelash length etc are purely genetic, but the maxilla, the biggest determining factor in forward growth of most facial bones, has been utterly cucked by the western diet and practices. I for one, have no qualms about undergoing correctional surgeries to fix an early lifetime of stupid western habits. (Also see; Aborigines in the west 1 generation removed from their traditional ways in to the western lifestyle; the children and young adults of various tribes bare no resemblance to their massive bone mass ancestors or grandparents. The change is uncanny).

 

[TheoryMaxxer]

Prenatal T is a massive meme. Don't know why it is spammed so much on this forum. Your actual hormonal profile (balance between T and E) is far more important. Guess what massively influences that? The modern diet. Mothers and fathers especially in Western "uplifted" countries are tricked in to feeding their kids formula filled with xenoestrogens. This obviously has a far worse effect on men than it has on women for development of their hormonal profile. And you can find thousands of studies linking the importance of breastfeeding to development of a sufficiently large enough palette for the cranial base to support proper breathing and oral posture. Muh mewing in adulthood aside, bones are EXTREMELY malleable when you are younger and the tongue is a muscle. It's not some wild conspiracy that corporations and the elite want men especially uglier, dumbed down and docile. An ugly, weak, undeveloped male majority makes it much easier to subdue and influence and it has worked given the disgusting demand for OnlyFans but subhumanly developed men devoid of all sense of intimacy due to substandard looks. I have even spoken to a surgeon on here who has corroborated the fact that chewing hard substances during development has a direct correlation to Ramus length and mandibular growth. Overall, the dominant western lifestyle is horrible for men especially (somewhat for women too even though the extra estrogen in foods and drinks allows them to develop earlier and ironically more robust female features like their bodies). Genetics obviously play a huge role in your potential as your features such as eye colour, lip shape and size, eyelash length etc are purely genetic, but the maxilla, the biggest determining factor in forward growth of most facial bones, has been utterly cucked by the western diet and practices. I for one, have no qualms about undergoing correctional surgeries to fix an early lifetime of stupid western habits. (Also see; Aborigines in the west 1 generation removed from their traditional ways in to the western lifestyle; the children and young adults of various tribes bare no resemblance to their massive bone mass ancestors or grandparents. The change is uncanny).

Pretty much this apart from the tangent he went on about the globohomos

Edit: Lipshape can get malformed easily with improper muscle use tbh, and things like eyelash length are arguably somewhat environmental if it can be assumed that an unhealthy people grow worse eyelashes

 

[MedMaxxing]

Pretty much this apart from the tangent he went on about the globohomos

Edit: Lipshape can get malformed easily with improper muscle use tbh, and things like eyelash length are arguably somewhat environmental if it can be assumed that an unhealthy people grow worse eyelashes

Nah hair genetics in general are pretty genetic. If you are pre-disposed to certain hair growth/loss, the only thing altering it is the determining hormonal profile. Slightly environmental but mostly genetic. But I am even more living proof of environment. Bigger nose than my brother now even though I am older and when I was 10 and he was 7 he had a WAY bigger nose and I mouthbreathed and he did not.

 

[randomvanish]

Slightly environmental but mostly genetic

mostly like %99.9

 

[Deleted member 7901]

genes bro, jfl people used to be super recessed even before technology game, the hunters who have "chad" skulls
look in reality like this

 

[Mouthbreath]

so you gonna experiment your child ? non-scientific people are like flies around the scientific research. they are just buzzing the sound and do nothing.
and when it comes to mike mew...
1 lunatic vs the whole Orthodontics society.

mewing is the worst meme anyway.
let you ask yourself. let's say you would be a child again. would you "mew" or get a proper treatment like this
View attachment 807062
???

all my friends who got proper ortodontic treatment have really beautiful chin/jaw/mouth area.
just don't be a poor loser and if your child have recession, get your child a proper ortodonthic treatment even it take years like whole puberty.

most orthodontics only use that device for kids with a large mandible and recessed maxilla

I had a tiny mandible and a recessed maxilla, and they used basically the opposite device, that pulls the maxilla BACKWARDS

and this wasnt in some third world country, the dentist that performed it, drives like 20 supercars, he had an aventador when I visited him back in the day

orthodonics is a huge scam most of the time, people had better occlusions before any of that stuff was around

 

[Mouthbreath]

mostly like %99.9

mostly environmental, genetics is less important than environment

 

[randomvanish]

mostly environmental, genetics is less important than environment