Proof There's No God.

[noodlelover]

Belief in god comes from a lack of understanding about the world.

Consciousness

Consciousness is the illusion of being something separate from your brain. We are not a separate thing. We are the brain, and that includes a model of itself.

Intelligence

Intelligence is a physical process of change that occurs in matter over time. We know how to create intelligence. Read books such as theoretical foundations of artificial general intelligence to better understand this.

Why we can't use Intelligence to explain the origin of time and matter

There was a long time in human history where weather was not understood. This was explained by gods such as The Rain god, and the Thunder God. We now have a detailed understanding of how weather operates and no longer have a need for these gods to explain things.

The same is true for intelligence, consciousness, and life. Though most haven't read much of the scientific literature so they still hold onto supernatural explanations.

Once you understand intelligence. That it is nothing magical, but a process of mater changing over the dimension of time, to better model it's environment. Then you understand that it requires time and matter.

You can not use it to explain time and matter, unless you have a fuzzy unclear definition of what it is. For example, we know what weather is. For ancients who thought weather was something magical, they could have used it to explain the creation of the reality. That reality formed out of a storm cloud.

You can't use a well understood physical phenomenon to explain the origins of physics and time.

 

[134applesauce456]

dnrd tbh I don't care I will still believe

 

[TalesFromTheSlums]

 

[swt]

high iq

 

[theonewhorisesabove]

Niggas will believe in aliens and Greek figures but not God it’s so contradictory

 

[cooldude1231]

Niggas will believe in aliens and Greek figures but not God it’s so contradictory

Believing in extra terrestrial in our wide universe is a reasonable assumption

 

[theonewhorisesabove]

Believing in extra terrestrial in our wide universe is a reasonable assumption

Yet people don’t believe in God

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

Belief in god comes from a lack of understanding about the world.

Consciousness

Consciousness is the illusion of being something separate from your brain. We are not a separate thing. We are the brain, and that includes a model of itself.

Intelligence

Intelligence is a physical process of change that occurs in matter over time. We know how to create intelligence. Read books such as theoretical foundations of artificial general intelligence to better understand this.

Why we can't use Intelligence to explain the origin of time and matter

There was a long time in human history where weather was not understood. This was explained by gods such as The Rain god, and the Thunder God. We now have detailed understanding of how weather operates and no longer have a need for these gods to explain things.

The same is true for intelligence, consciousness, and life. Though most haven't read much of the scientific literature so they still hold onto supernatural explanations.

Once you understand intelligence. That it is nothing magical, but a process of mater changing over the dimension of time, to better model it's environment. Then you understand that it requires time and matter.

You can not use it to explain time and matter, unless you have a fuzzy unclear definition of what it is. For example, we know what weather is. For ancients who thought weather was something magical, they could have used it to explain the creation of the reality. That reality formed out of a storm cloud.

You can't use a well understood physical phenomenon to explain the origins of physics and time.

tales

 

[notplayer22]

Belief in god comes from a lack of understanding about the world.

Consciousness

Consciousness is the illusion of being something separate from your brain. We are not a separate thing. We are the brain, and that includes a model of itself.

Intelligence

Intelligence is a physical process of change that occurs in matter over time. We know how to create intelligence. Read books such as theoretical foundations of artificial general intelligence to better understand this.

Why we can't use Intelligence to explain the origin of time and matter

There was a long time in human history where weather was not understood. This was explained by gods such as The Rain god, and the Thunder God. We now have detailed understanding of how weather operates and no longer have a need for these gods to explain things.

The same is true for intelligence, consciousness, and life. Though most haven't read much of the scientific literature so they still hold onto supernatural explanations.

Once you understand intelligence. That it is nothing magical, but a process of mater changing over the dimension of time, to better model it's environment. Then you understand that it requires time and matter.

You can not use it to explain time and matter, unless you have a fuzzy unclear definition of what it is. For example, we know what weather is. For ancients who thought weather was something magical, they could have used it to explain the creation of the reality. That reality formed out of a storm cloud.

You can't use a well understood physical phenomenon to explain the origins of physics and time.

I read it all bro, thanks you are high iq and realistic. You are not a normie and you are not afraid to accept the truth.

 

[mr take your gf]

Belief in god comes from a lack of understanding about the world.

Consciousness

Consciousness is the illusion of being something separate from your brain. We are not a separate thing. We are the brain, and that includes a model of itself.

Intelligence

Intelligence is a physical process of change that occurs in matter over time. We know how to create intelligence. Read books such as theoretical foundations of artificial general intelligence to better understand this.

Why we can't use Intelligence to explain the origin of time and matter

There was a long time in human history where weather was not understood. This was explained by gods such as The Rain god, and the Thunder God. We now have detailed understanding of how weather operates and no longer have a need for these gods to explain things.

The same is true for intelligence, consciousness, and life. Though most haven't read much of the scientific literature so they still hold onto supernatural explanations.

Once you understand intelligence. That it is nothing magical, but a process of mater changing over the dimension of time, to better model it's environment. Then you understand that it requires time and matter.

You can not use it to explain time and matter, unless you have a fuzzy unclear definition of what it is. For example, we know what weather is. For ancients who thought weather was something magical, they could have used it to explain the creation of the reality. That reality formed out of a storm cloud.

You can't use a well understood physical phenomenon to explain the origins of physics and time.

a bunch of nonsense to prove nothing
fuck you , you wasted my time, and your not smart

 

[tahi]

aint reading allat but god has blessed me so much and im grateful

 

[notplayer22]

Niggas will believe in aliens and Greek figures but not God it’s so contradictory

Fake, I don't believe in shit

 

[notplayer22]

a bunch of nonsense to prove nothing
fuck you , you wasted my time, and your not smart

You can?

 

[tahi]

Fake, I don't believe in shit

bro think he exists because of sheer luck

 

[theonewhorisesabove]

Fake, I don't believe in shit

Only a fool would be this ignorant

 

[notplayer22]

Only a fool would be this ignorant

Ignorant is the one who believes in something he has never seen, religions are full of shit for stupid people, I am 100 percent that God does not exist and much less how religious people see him, God could have simply been the creation of the universe, maybe you don't know that either. Ignorant shit, you are not special, no god has given you anything stupid, your parents raised you telling you lies, just like Santa Claus or do you also believe that aliens exist oor see alien, you really are an idiot if you believe in God and don't question yourself, you are an idiot, you fucking theistic ancestral idiot

 

[theonewhorisesabove]

For something not be seen does not mean it doesn’t exist. If that was the case then there’d be no history. Before you was born there was people before you that existed. To exist means that there has to be a supernatural entity that is above our human intelligence

 

[MANLETprettyBOY]

Yet people don’t believe in God

i sneed God

 

[Klasik616]

Valid argument
But
intelligence is not machinic, not a physical process either
Unliving beings are not intelligent
You can't say animals like us are similar to machines

 

[theonewhorisesabove]

I am 100 percent that God does not exist and much less how religious people see him

You’re not different, a lot of people think this way but the sole difference between you and majority of other atheists is that they were once Christian and actually had some prior knowledge about the Bible. Your just saying “muh muh Santa clause isnt real and neither is God, all fairy tails ” without actually looking into the source material

 

[noodlelover]

a bunch of nonsense to prove nothing
fuck you , you wasted my time, and your not smart

I would like to better understand your belief.

Is there anything I said that you agree with?

For something not be seen does not mean it doesn’t exist. If that was the case then there’d be no history. Before you was born there was people before you that existed. To exist means that there has to be a supernatural entity that is above our human intelligence

I don't rule out the possibility that there area beings beyond human intelligence and capability. It's even possible that we live in a simulation created by these beings.

I'm only ruling out the possibility that one of these beings created all of existence, to include the reality that created them.

 

[theonewhorisesabove]

i sneed God

Gatekeep

 

[notplayer22]

For something not be seen does not mean it doesn’t exist. If that was the case then there’d be no history. Before you was born there was people before you that existed. To exist means that there has to be a supernatural entity that is above our human intelligence

Be careful bro, you may have a stroke from thinking so much, you are overstepping your limits.

 

[theonewhorisesabove]

Be careful bro, you may have a stroke from thinking so much, you are overstepping your limits.

I’m not thinking to much your just not thinking at all

 

[mr take your gf]

Ignorant is the one who believes in something he has never seen, religions are full of shit for stupid people, I am 100 percent that God does not exist and much less how religious people see him, God could have simply been the creation of the universe, maybe you don't know that either. Ignorant shit, you are not special, no god has given you anything stupid, your parents raised you telling you lies, just like Santa Claus or do you also believe that aliens exist oor see alien, you really are an idiot if you believe in God and don't question yourself, you are an idiot, you fucking theistic ancestral idiot

you still didn't present any valid argument, if you where actually smart and not a retard you would
a - present valid arguments
b- know that discussing this topic in social media is pointless and a waste of time especially here
c- debate academics that spent thiers entire life studying religion not retard on org trying to show off as intelligent

 

[noodlelover]

Valid argument
But
intelligence is not machinic, not a physical process either
Unliving beings are not intelligent

It's a specific kind of physical process like the weather.

A rock is not the weather.

Intelligence as a process is characterized as having a model of the world, and having outputs that can effect the environment of the entity to reconfigure that environment to be closer to the entities goals or values.

 

[longjohnmong]

Consciousness is the illusion of being something separate from your brain. We are not a separate thing. We are the brain, and that includes a model of itself.

Consciousness is completely different than the brain. How is it the brain? That makes absolutely no sense.

I actually think it probably is the brain. But I also think we're missing some piece of the puzzle, and it annoys me that people hand wave away the mystery, when they obviously have no explanation or don't even understand the problem.

 

[Poopless One]

Dnr. I will pray for you OP

 

[notplayer22]

you still didn't present any valid argument, if you where actually smart and not a retard you would
a - present valid arguments
b- know that discussing this topic in social media is pointless and a waste of time especially here
c- debate academics that spent thiers entire life studying religion not retard on org trying to show off as intelligent

Yes, you're right arguing about this I don't care, I'm not going to turn into Chad for this.

 

[thedarkoverlord_666]

Even if god is real hes probably an asshole

 

[notplayer22]

Even if god is real hes probably an asshole

Thats it

 

[Klasik616]

It's a specific kind of physical process like the weather.

A rock is not the weather.

Intelligence as a process is characterized as having a model of the world, and having outputs that can effect the environment of the entity to reconfigure that environment to be closer to the entities goals or values.

Fair but the goals or values of the entitities have to be induced by a living being (an intelligent one), the output certainly changes the environments but the input or the task is already made, the difference between these type of beings like machines and us is that we can change the goals in any time outside of a model of the world we have, even agaisnt it.

The machine cannot "think" so their goals are always according to the possibilites of the system. Humans do not live in a "system" because we don't know the limit of our possibilites, human actions are not determined so their intelligence is different.

So for your argument you will have to say that consciousness is not us because it's determining our actions without us realizing we live in a system we certainly are not aware of.

 

[notplayer22]

you still didn't present any valid argument, if you where actually smart and not a retard you would
a - present valid arguments
b- know that discussing this topic in social media is pointless and a waste of time especially here
c- debate academics that spent thiers entire life studying religion not retard on org trying to show off as intelligent

All those who believe in God are retarded and there is no debate

 

[noodlelover]

Consciousness is completely different than the brain. How is it the brain? That makes absolutely no sense.

I actually think it probably is the brain. But I also think we're missing some piece of the puzzle, and it annoys me that people hand wave away the mystery, when they obviously have no explanation or don't even understand the problem.

It feels different than the brain because the brain has a model of itself. So it feels like there is something else watching the brain, feeling feelings, and experiencing the brain.

But it is the brain experiencing itself. what we call the brains "experience" is the model of itself.

A piece of paper on the other hand, doesn't have a model of it's environment or itself. "Experience" is code for material configuration. A piece of paper isn't able to experience it's environments other than it's environments effects on it's shape and material density.

 

[Sprinkles]

Belief in god comes from a lack of understanding about the world.

Consciousness

Consciousness is the illusion of being something separate from your brain. We are not a separate thing. We are the brain, and that includes a model of itself.

you lost me right there

as someone who is skilled at inducing out of body experiences and has fought against interdimensional entites,

you were deceived by the satanic freemason control system into thinking this is the case.

you must believe we live on a spinning ball and evolved from monkeys too

 

[Youㅤ]

Belief in god comes from a lack of understanding about the world.

belief in no god comes from a lack of understanding in gods, or rather an understanding that has proved useless

if a belief is useful, let it be correct. if a belief delivers inferior results, let it be incorrect. god is a concept about something that we can only imagine, just like any other concept. scientific concepts are standardized whereas god is personal.

Consciousness is the illusion of being something separate from your brain. We are not a separate thing. We are the brain, and that includes a model of itself.

this is a model based on consciousness. a model of something more fundamental than what creates the "fundamental" model is infact falsely fundamental

consciousness is fundamental as far as we can ever be concerned. any way we can think about the brain involves our subjective perception, and it is this that is useful.

Once you understand intelligence. That it is nothing magical, but a process of mater changing over the dimension of time, to better model it's environment. Then you understand that it requires time and matter.

u can explain anything in a variety of ways. just like different organisms can perceive their environment in different ways. what matters is it is functional in navigating their subjective reality.

 

[notplayer22]

Dnr. I will pray for you OP

I will pray that God heals your retardation

 

[Poopless One]

I will pray that God heals your retardation

So you admit he exists?

 

[JasGews69x]

Dnr
Allah is One

 

[Mizi44]

low iq dnrd

 

[JasGews69x]

All those who believe in God are retarded and there is no debate

We came from fish bro

 

[Aladin]

Consciousness

Consciousness is the illusion of being something separate from your brain. We are not a separate thing. We are the brain, and that includes a model of itself.

Fail

 

[Youㅤ]

im very opposed to christian god. growing up, i hated the idea of god and ridiculed those who even considered it.

but IMO this is because christianity is designed to promote weakness

praying gets u nothing, it merely makes things get less worse. i care about gaining power

 

[noodlelover]

Fair but the goals or values of the entitities have to be induced by a living being (an intelligent one),

Evolution is the process by which goals have been added to brains.

Brains started as very simple. Moving forward and back only (and some species still are this simple), eating when the come upon food. So the goal was eat food.

the output certainly changes the environments but the input or the task is already made, the difference between these type of beings like machines and us is that we can change the goals in any time outside of a model of the world we have, even agaisnt it.

Human goals are flexible and emergent phenomenon's in the brain.

In humans there are a collection of pattern matches, looking for specific patterns in environmental stimuli.

Sweet taste, feeling of being full, faces, pretty faces, pain signals, and so on.

These represent positive and negative rewards for the brain.

The brain learns to associate positive rewards with other stimuli that occurred at the same time or before the positive reward. The brain makes this a new positive reward. This is true even for brain states.

This is how goals drift occurs in the human brain. However this allows us to reach more complex goals than other organisms, because we can associate money with buying food. Buying food with eating. Working with money. And be driven towards working.

But a chain of associations can also occur towards suicide and other things in opposition to some of those original simuli detection systems.

The machine cannot "think" so their goals are always according to the possibilites of the system. Humans do not live in a "system" because we don't know the limit of our possibilites, human actions are not determined so their intelligence is different.

Human brains are certainly more of a stochastic process.

So for your argument you will have to say that consciousness is not us because it's determining our actions without US realizing it.

 

[mr take your gf]

I would like to better understand your belief.

Is there anything I said that you agree with?


I don't rule out the possibility that there area beings beyond human intelligence and capability. It's even possible that we live in a simulation created by these beings.

I'm only ruling out the possibility that one of these beings created all of existence, to include the reality that created them.

basically you need to put argument and example that back up your claim people smarter than you got destroyed by religieuse people in a debate because they thought they are smart , and also you need to be knowledgeable about what your critiquing I don't think you read the whole bible Quran talmud and other religieuse book and understand fully the scripture and what's it about , that's how you can do better , and I still think it's a waste of time to engage in those type of conversation

 

[nuisance]

Consciousness

Consciousness is the illusion of being something separate from your brain. We are not a separate thing. We are the brain, and that includes a model of itself.

We have no way of proving that Consciousness cannot transend the brain.

Atheism takes as much faith as believing in a religion

The answer to god is we dont know if there is one, but we cant say if there is or isn't one.

Anyone who says they 100% know there is or isn't a god is lying.

 

[longjohnmong]

It feels different than the brain because the brain has a model of itself. So it feels like there is something else watching the brain, feeling feelings, and experiencing the brain.

But it is the brain experiencing itself. what we call the brains "experience" is the model of itself.

A piece of paper on the other hand, doesn't have a model of it's environment or itself. "Experience" is code for material configuration. A piece of paper isn't able to experience it's environments other than it's environments effects on it's shape and material density.

Why would a model of a brain (running on a brain) feel like anything? Let's say you didn't know consciousness was a thing (you're some unconscious AI or whatever), and I tell you "Oh, that brain has a model of a brain inside it." Why the fuck would you ever come to the conclusion from that information that there'd actually be some sort of first person internal manifestation of that model, like that the model would "come to life?" No, there's something missing from the explanation.

 

[noodlelover]

you lost me right there

as someone who is skilled at inducing out of body experiences and has fought against interdimensional entites,

you were deceived by the satanic freemason control system into thinking this is the case.

you must believe we live on a spinning ball and evolved from monkeys too

Astral projection, remote viewing and other out of body experiences are a process by which you imagine things.

I have experimented with procedures for inducing these extensively. Intuition is a way for the brain to figure things out using a wider array of neurons, that's not explainable by a discrete logical steps. In this way you can "know" things and have "visions" that your logical brain can't explain, but it is your subconscious brain figuring things out.

As well as a phenomenon of the brain where we tend to remember the hits and forget the misses. This is the reason no well controlled experiments exist demonstrating the phenomenon's above statistical significance.

 

[faustianspirit]

An omnipotent and omnipresent god doesnt care about anything you said.

JFL at this reddit-tier thread

 

[noodlelover]

Why would a model of a brain (running on a brain) feel like anything?

It's not feeling like anything. We are the thing. Our material configuration is feeling, so we think we're feeling.

we think we're a thing feeling, but in reality we're a thing in a feeling material configuration.

Let's say you didn't know consciousness was a thing (you're some unconscious AI or whatever), and I tell you "Oh, that brain has a model of a brain inside it." Why the fuck would you ever come to the conclusion from that information that there'd actually be some sort of first person internal manifestation of that model, l

The model is the first person internal manifestation. It is what people call consciousness.

ike that the model would "come to life?" No, there's something missing from the explanation.

Life isn't real a thing. I mean, yes there are complex physical processes that replicate. But beyond that no.