Proof There's No God.

[noodlelover]

We have no way of proving that Consciousness cannot transend the brain.

Consciousness is a convincing illusion no doubt.

Atheism takes as much faith as believing in a religion

The answer to god is we dont know if there is one, but we cant say if there is or isn't one.

We know what intelligence and the illusion of consciousness are and where they come from.

We know that time and physics leads to intelligence & the illusion of consciousness.

Some people with less understanding will switch the causal arrow.

 

[Sprinkles]

Astral projection, remote viewing and other out of body experiences are a process by which you imagine things.

It has nothing to do with "imagination" as if it's some made up thing that has no bearing on physical reality

Astral projection is transferring your consciousness to the astral body to explore the astral plane

Remote viewing is tapping into the collective subconscious which is in itself the multiversal unified consciousness that connects everything together, called God.

When you imagine something what you're actually doing is creating something out of consciousness energy which is then typically siphoned by the control system to be harvested and used for a variety of reasons.

I know this because Astral Projection and to a larger extent Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming allow you to create anything you imagine and have it manifest right in front of you as if it were physical

I'm very experienced with both and I know others who are as well, there's no way in hell this shit is just the "human brain making things up"

I have experimented with procedures for inducing these extensively. Intuition is a way for the brain to figure things out using a wider array of neurons, that's not explainable by a discrete logical steps. In this way you can "know" things and have "visions" that your logical brain can't explain, but it is your subconscious brain figuring things out.

Intuition has nothing to do with the brain, it comes from consciousness which is entirely separate from the brain which is basically a VR headset that llimits human perception to the 5 senses which are simply frequency bands.

consciousness goes far beyond the five senses

As well as a phenomenon of the brain where we tend to remember the hits and forget the misses. This is the reason no well controlled experiments exist demonstrating the phenomenon's above statistical significance.

There are controlled experiments detailing it.
The CIA has written extensively on remote viewing , astral projection, and other phenomena, the Monroe Institute has done it, the military has trained psychic spies,

The farsight institute is another such example as well as the recently released Telepathy Tapes which detail psychic phenomenon in children as it relates to autism.

The real reason this stuff isn't mainstream is to keep people asleep and slaves to the system

 

[Poopless One]

Life isn't real a thing.

 

[Klasik616]

Evolution is the process by which goals have been added to brains.

Brains started as very simple. Moving forward and back only (and some species still are this simple), eating when the come upon food. So the goal was eat food.


Human goals are flexible and emergent phenomenon's in the brain.

In humans there are a collection of pattern matches, looking for specific patterns in environmental stimuli.

Sweet taste, feeling of being full, faces, pretty faces, pain signals, and so on.

These represent positive and negative rewards for the brain.

The brain learns to associate positive rewards with other stimuli that occurred at the same time or before the positive reward. The brain makes this a new positive reward. This is true even for brain states.

This is how goals drift occurs in the human brain. However this allows us to reach more complex goals than other organisms, because we can associate money with buying food. Buying food with eating. Working with money. And be driven towards working.

But a chain of associations can also occur towards suicide and other things in opposition to some of those original simuli detection systems.


Human brains are certainly more of a stochastic process.

Even when you try to make our decisions appear mechanical according to our current desires (with an infinite number of reasons) it doesn't mean those decisions had to be done. How do you explain boredom? How do you explain regret? Our brain is stochastic, the decisions are probable according to our personality but there's no way we can sugest we are being controlled by consciousness or the environment around us. If my boss or my dad was calling me for help, I could still reject them in the last moment.

The way we measure intelligence nowadays according to science doesn't convince me, intelligence means the ability humans have to understand things and the cappability to decide in the environment where those things are, so if the decision was right we would say that person is intelligent but the flaw relays on thinking there is a wrong or right decision, that's where it becomes mechanical and unnatural for humans, a social conditioning.

We can think in different ways, everything we can think has a logical structure. Saying for example that other people are wrong forgets the process the other had to made to say an answer different than mine but nowadays "the truth" is science I guess. We don't consider the process each individual goes through.

Thinking is certainly influenced by mood. Human brain goes far than copying answers, I still think "intelligence" is not a physical process but you can use that concept on machines.

 

[noodlelover]

dnrd tbh I don't care I will still believe

An omnipotent and omnipresent god doesnt care about anything you said.

JFL at this reddit-tier thread

basically you need to put argument and example that back up your claim people smarter than you got destroyed by religieuse people in a debate because they thought they are smart , and also you need to be knowledgeable about what your critiquing I don't think you read the whole bible Quran talmud and other religieuse book and understand fully the scripture and what's it about , that's how you can do better , and I still think it's a waste of time to engage in those type of conversation

low iq dnrd

The primary purpose of this post was for me to discover how religious people thought about these arguments. So that I can convincingly fake being religious to have a shot at getting a girlfriend who is Muslim or Christian post location maxing. I'll have a much better chance of finding some one if I can fake believing this stuff, because most people are religious.

I especially like "smarter people than me debate it. I don't know. I just believe." "I know he's real.". Because going deep into logic makes me look nerdy, and it's less convincing. I generally have the most success with women when I fake low intelligence.

If some one sees this post, I'll say "That was me at a different time. I believe now."

 

[noodlelover]

It has nothing to do with "imagination" as if it's some made up thing that has no bearing on physical reality

Astral projection is transferring your consciousness to the astral body to explore the astral plane

Remote viewing is tapping into the collective subconscious which is in itself the multiversal unified consciousness that connects everything together, called God.

I use to believe in it, and do it a lot but it's not real.

When you imagine something what you're actually doing is creating something out of consciousness energy which is then typically siphoned by the control system to be harvested and used for a variety of reasons.

I know this because Astral Projection and to a larger extent Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming allow you to create anything you imagine and have it manifest right in front of you as if it were physical

That would be a self induced hallucination.

I'm very experienced with both and I know others who are as well, there's no way in hell this shit is just the "human brain making things up"




Intuition has nothing to do with the brain, it comes from consciousness which is entirely separate from the brain which is basically a VR headset that llimits human perception to the 5 senses which are simply frequency bands.

consciousness goes far beyond the five senses



There are controlled experiments detailing it.
The CIA has written extensively on remote viewing , astral projection, and other phenomena,

I've read all of the declassified CIA documents on it, and practiced those methods specifically.

the Monroe Institute has done it, the military has trained psychic spies,

People in government can have false believes. Many people in government are religious for example.

The farsight institute is another such example as well as the recently released Telepathy Tapes which detail psychic phenomenon in children as it relates to autism.

The far sight institute is a for profit company. When they get a prediction wrong, the have a whole collection of excuses.

They don't predict anything with a higher accuracy than a moderately informed person would reasonable guess.

The real reason this stuff isn't mainstream is to keep people asleep and slaves to the system

Religion is main stream, and Christianity has verses like "ask and you shall receive". "Have the faith of a mustard seed and you can move mountains."

So illusions of power are popular. Just not these specific ones. I've investigated witch craft and other phenomenon and it's all mix of self induced illusions and triggering the subconscious brain to solve problems in a non supernatural way, based on information it has.

 

[noodlelover]

Even when you try to make our decisions appear mechanical according to our current desires (with an infinite number of reasons) it doesn't mean those decisions had to be done.

How do you explain boredom?

Our brain has cravings for what it perceives as novelty to better understand it's environment.

When our model of reality predicts something in contrast to what it sees, then our model needs to be updated and we perceive that as novelty to to focus in on it to update our model correctly.

Our model doesn't care about everything though, so we won't care about the outputs of a random number generator, but we will for things we perceive as related to our survival and replication.

How do you explain regret?

Regret is so that our brain spends more time processing what it did to induce negative stimuli, so that it hopefully understands how to avoid that situation in the future.

Our brain is stochastic, the decisions are probable according to our personality but there's no way we can sugest we are being controlled by consciousness or the environment around us. If my boss or my dad was calling me for help, I could still reject them in the last moment.

By stochastic I mean it's not predictable. There's so much change going on inside the brain all the time, that like you said, anything can happen.

Other than a girl not rejected me. J/k maybe that could happen too.

The way we measure intelligence nowadays according to science doesn't convince me, intelligence means the ability humans have to understand things and the cappability to decide in the environment where those things are, so if the decision was right we would say that person is intelligent but the flaw relays on thinking there is a wrong or right decision, that's where it becomes mechanical and unnatural for humans, a social conditioning.

Interesting.

We can think in different ways, everything we can think has a logical structure. Saying for example that other people are wrong forgets the process the other had to made to say an answer different than mine but nowadays "the truth" is science I guess.

Science is not perfect but it's a process of peer review, debate, and scientists trying to prove each other wrong, that generally moves towards better understanding things.

Though you have to read papers carefully, and look for biases, and mistakes.

We don't consider the process each individual goes through.

Thinking is certainly influenced by mood. Human brain goes far than copying answers,

The brain is complex.

I still think "intelligence" is not a physical process but you can use that concept on machines.

ok.

 

[faustianspirit]

The primary purpose of this post was for me to discover how religious people thought about these arguments. So that I can convincingly fake being religious to have a shot at getting a girlfriend who is Muslim or Christian post location maxing. I'll have a much better chance of finding some one if I can fake believing this stuff, because most people are religious.

I especially like "smarter people than me debate it. I don't know. I just believe." "I know he's real.". Because going deep into logic makes me look nerdy, and it's less convincing. I generally have the most success with women when I fake low intelligence.

If some one sees this post, I'll say "That was me at a different time. I believe now."

im not religious at all, i just think that if there was an omnipotent god such as the one that is described in abrahamic religions everything u said doesnt matter.

funnily enough im also larping as a catholic irl currently. everybody believes it

 

[noodlelover]

Exactly!

 

[noodlelover]

im not religious at all, i just think that if there was an omnipotent god such as the one that is described in abrahamic religions everything u said doesnt matter.

funnily enough im also larping as a catholic irl currently. everybody believes it

Can you give me any tips on larping as catholic?

Do you make sure to attribute everything that happens in your life, that you're talking about to god?

 

[Poopless One]

Exactly!

You believe we live in a simulation of shorts?

 

[noodlelover]

You believe we live in a simulation of sorts

Yes. I believe we live in a simulation.

Life evolves to create simulations, to simulate other life forms in their environments to learn things that help them compete with those other life forms.

This is the purpose of stories, dreams, fables, religions, fictions, and video games. Our brains evolved to be attracted to these things because they are simulations of the "real" world that often have lessons discoverable for our brains.

But when you compress things and simplify things, you loose accuracy. So simulations are becoming more complex.

The number of simulations (video games, weather simulations, war simulations, movies, etc.) is also increasing.

Eventually there will be far more simulated beings than real beings. Eventually simulations will grow so complex and accurate that the simulated beings themselves will create simulations inside their simulations, and down it goes.

Statistically we are unlikely to be the root node of all simulations.

There are so many different purposes to simulations, but one particular one I find interesting is we could be simulation of a possible life form in the universe that an alien is using to better understand other possible civilizations in the universe, to know how to act or what defenses they need.

 

[faustianspirit]

Can you give me any tips on larping as catholic?

my situation right now is quite specific since i moved into a student residence in my uni campus and here young people dont tend to be religious so it is very easy to larp.

i only met 1 girl here who said she was also a catholic but my larp worked perfectly. this people believe i am a devout catholic that is just discovering all this “new life” outside church jfl

i have 3 religious paintings on my dorm (bought them second hand and i really like them religion aside) and a new testament next to my bed, so everybody that comes in just sees them and asks, and the larp starts. also when people talk about degen stuff i act as if i dont know what they are talking about even tho im probably more degenerate than any of them lol

i dont even know why i started larping, it just popped into my mind one day and i did it, but i feel that if i tried to larp in a real catholic enviroment they would know easily, still one of my resolutions for 2025 is to better my larp

 

[Sprinkles]

I use to believe in it, and do it a lot but it's not real.


That would be a self induced hallucination.

It's not a self induced hallucination when you have multiple people reporting the same things and drawing from a bunch of different data sources,

but I guess you and the psychiatric mafia would call that a "group hallucination"

I've read all of the declassified CIA documents on it, and practiced those methods specifically.

you didn't practice jack shit buddy or else you wouldn't be spouting this nonsense

which documents did you read and which methods did you practice exactly?

The far sight institute is a for profit company. When they get a prediction wrong, the have a whole collection of excuses.

you just lost all credibility

screenshots don't work rn but the farsight website literally says nonprofit

 

[noodlelover]

It's not a self induced hallucination when you have multiple people reporting the same things and drawing from a bunch of different data sources,

but I guess you and the psychiatric mafia would call that a "group hallucination"

Beliefs are a good cope. I don't want to hurt your faith.

you didn't practice jack shit buddy or else you wouldn't be spouting this nonsense

which documents did you read and which methods did you practice exactly?

It's been a while. I can't recall. I joined a few groups and got better at it than most people.

you just lost all credibility

screenshots don't work rn but the farsight website literally says nonprofit

Legally non profit but they are still people trying to earn a profit.

 

[Zonar]

Religion is just a very good cope

 

[noodlelover]

Religion is just a very good cope

Luckily nothing I said is going to change any ones mind.

I definitely don't want let the crushing weight of reality drown any one needlessly.

 

[Jamaldickjavontus]

aint reading allat but god has blessed me so much and im grateful

Amen

 

[longjohnmong]

t's not feeling like anything. We are the thing. Our material configuration is feeling, so we think we're feeling.

we think we're a thing feeling, but in reality we're a thing in a feeling material configuration.

None of that answers why it should be like something to be a brain or to be a model. Intuitively, it should be like nothing. There should be no difference between what it's like to be a person and what it's like to be a corpse, regardless of what's being modeled.

 

[Meteor21]

Ths is literally reddit midwit atheism and this forum thinks it's high iq

 

[noodlelover]

None of that answers why it should be like something to be a brain or to be a model. Intuitively, it should be like nothing. There should be no difference between what it's like to be a person and what it's like to be a corpse, regardless of what's being modeled.

There's no chemicals moving between the synapses in a corpse.

If your eyes get cut off you go blind. But you still have your thoughts. If the synapses of your brain stop exchanging chemicals then you have no thoughts.

People with severed brains often developed two selves. Each is unaware of what the other is thinking.

In death each neuron is unaware of the other neurons. So consciousness if you want to call it that, is reduced to the individual neurons and cells in the body, until those die as well.

When those die consciousness is reduced to only those separate instances where chemicals are colliding. But what those individual chemicals experience is not thought.


So conciseness as we consider it, is a process of rapid information exchange between many individual parts. When multiple people have a high enough bandwidth communication in the future, they will be considered a single consciousness.

 

[longjohnmong]

There's no chemicals moving between the synapses in a corpse.

Yeah, I understand the difference between alive and dead. I'm not retarded. I'm saying that being alive should "feel" just like being dead, intuitively, i.e. like nothing at all. Nothing of what you're saying would convince me that it's like anything to be the thing you're talking about if I didn't already know that it was like something.

As I said earlier, I think consciousness probably is the brain. I just don't think anyone has successfully explained how it is.

 

[noodlelover]

Yeah, I understand the difference between alive and dead. I'm not retarded. I'm saying that being alive should "feel" just like being dead, intuitively, i.e. like nothing at all. Nothing of what you're saying would convince me that it's like anything to be the thing you're talking about if I didn't already know that it was like something.

As I said earlier, I think consciousness probably is the brain. I just don't think anyone has successfully explained how it is.

So you don't believe your skin cells are conscious?

I believe they are.

I also believe the ocean is conscious, because that is also exchanges of information with water flowing. Not thinking like humans do though.

 

[longjohnmong]

So you don't believe your skin cells are conscious?

I believe they are.

I also believe the ocean is conscious, because that is also exchanges of information with water flowing. Not thinking like humans do though.

It depends what you mean by conscious. You mean that there's something it's like to be the ocean?

 

[noodlelover]

It depends what you mean by conscious.

You mean that there's something it's like to be the ocean?

Yes.

We have no reason to believe the "there's something it's like to be" is limited to intelligence.

 

[Thebuffdon]

Ragebait

 

[johnypvpgod]

im very opposed to christian god. growing up, i hated the idea of god and ridiculed those who even considered it.

but IMO this is because christianity is designed to promote weakness

praying gets u nothing, it merely makes things get less worse. i care about gaining power

based and high iq. christian god is a pussy, some other god? maybe it exists but fuck christianity specifically

 

[Poopless One]

based and high iq. christian god is a pussy, some other god? maybe it exists but fuck christianity specifically

 

[ascensionneeeded]

can someone religious try and disprove this?

why would an “all-loving” god who is meant to be the face of righteousness not present humanity with enough evidence (or any evidence at all) that would make everyone follow christianity. there’s such a lack of evidence. you cant be moral and send people to eternal suffering just because they didn’t trust their gut instinct and make a random guess from all the religions that exist and all claim they are correct. if all religions claim they are correct then there isn’t sufficient evidence for one religion as a whole because they all claim they’re right and often contradict eachother.

why does an all-loving god send people to eternal suffering purely based off them picking the wrong religion or not picking any religion (which due to the complete lack of evidence for one true religion is a perfectly reasonable thing to do)

 

[johnypvpgod]

based and high iq. christian god is a pussy, some other god? maybe it exists but fuck christianity specifically

sorry for the quote, the notification brought me here and i wanted to elaborate on my point.

Christianity is incel poison, the "god" wont save you, no one is coming to save you, life and existence can descend into dark pits where no one but yourself can pull yourself from. the only ones able to believe are the normies, the incels who have it relatively nice. and the thoroughly stupid.

If youre weak, and it keeps you weak, its poison. atleast cut the poisoned part out so your haggard walk trough life is one less so miserable

no amount of theology can justify what bs we have to endure

 

[Daddy's Home]

If the gods Anu (An), Enlil, Ishtar (Inanna), Marduk, Ra, Osiris, Isis, Horus, Zeus, Athena, Apollo, Poseidon, Jupiter, Venus, Mars, Minerva, Indra, Agni, Varuna, Soma, Odin, Thor, Freyja, Loki, Kukulkan (Quetzalcoatl), Huitzilopochtli, Chac, Tezcatlipoca, Shangdi, Nuwa, and Fuxi found out that people don't give a shit about them anymore just because new religions with new gods have appeared, they'd be very upset..

 

[JasGews69x]

can someone religious try and disprove this?

Im muslim

why would an “all-loving” god

He is the Most Loving. He is not just loving but Just and severe in punishment.

not present humanity with enough evidence

He has presented clear evidence. It depends what evidence is reasonable.
Islam is the only religion in which its Holy book is preserved,no failed prophecies, etc

moral and send people to eternal suffering just because they didn’t trust their gut instinct

Allah has given a natural inclination to the human being to worship One God alone.
He doesnt punish until people are convinced Islam is the truth but reject after this.

all claim they are correct. if all religions claim they are correct then there isn’t sufficient evidence for one religion as a whole because they all claim they’re right and often contradict eachother.

They all claim they are correct but you have to look through them to sieve them out.

 

[Mizi44]

The primary purpose of this post was for me to discover how religious people thought about these arguments. So that I can convincingly fake being religious to have a shot at getting a girlfriend who is Muslim or Christian post location maxing. I'll have a much better chance of finding some one if I can fake believing this stuff, because most people are religious.

I especially like "smarter people than me debate it. I don't know. I just believe." "I know he's real.". Because going deep into logic makes me look nerdy, and it's less convincing. I generally have the most success with women when I fake low intelligence.

If some one sees this post, I'll say "That was me at a different time. I believe now."

"Heh it was part all of my plan faggot"

 

[noodlelover]

"Heh it was part all of my plan faggot"

What do you mean?

You can't change people's mind when it comes to religion. If you've had any amount of conversations about religions, you would know this.

The only purpose is either for entertainment or to learn how others think.

 

[einzigartig]

Belief in god comes from a lack of understanding about the world.

Consciousness

Consciousness is the illusion of being something separate from your brain. We are not a separate thing. We are the brain, and that includes a model of itself.

Intelligence

Intelligence is a physical process of change that occurs in matter over time. We know how to create intelligence. Read books such as theoretical foundations of artificial general intelligence to better understand this.

Why we can't use Intelligence to explain the origin of time and matter

There was a long time in human history where weather was not understood. This was explained by gods such as The Rain god, and the Thunder God. We now have a detailed understanding of how weather operates and no longer have a need for these gods to explain things.

The same is true for intelligence, consciousness, and life. Though most haven't read much of the scientific literature so they still hold onto supernatural explanations.

Once you understand intelligence. That it is nothing magical, but a process of mater changing over the dimension of time, to better model it's environment. Then you understand that it requires time and matter.

You can not use it to explain time and matter, unless you have a fuzzy unclear definition of what it is. For example, we know what weather is. For ancients who thought weather was something magical, they could have used it to explain the creation of the reality. That reality formed out of a storm cloud.

You can't use a well understood physical phenomenon to explain the origins of physics and time.

i find it funny how atheists embarrass themselves again and again

 

[milchbubi88]

reddit vibes

 

[noodlelover]

reddit vibes

You're a fucking idiot.

kill yourself faggot.

 

[milchbubi88]

You're a fucking idiot.

kill yourself faggot.

Jesus Loves you