Prophet Muhammad didn't marry Aisha at the age of 9

Most authentic grade hadith as well
From Bukhari IIRC. No Muslim would dispute it. They have to accept that he fucked a child and if you ask them, "would you let your 6-year-old daughter fuck a 54-year-old man", they'll say no because of... we are still awaiting for the reason.
 
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I don't care what Sunnis say, Ibadi doctrine is based on only following hadiths that align with the Quran.
So you do listen to what Sunnis say, only when it perfectly matches with the Quran. And what exactly constitutes that? No Hadith aligns perfectly with the Quran because they're two different pieces of literature. You either accept it or deny it. Bottom line is, knowing to pray is from Hadith and that doesn't align with the Quran. You have no proof from the Quran you're meant to pray like that. So you listened to the Sunni.

Is this really the Muslim defence?
 
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They have to accept that he fucked a child
Using the word 'fucked' already reflects the state of your dirty heart

What constitutes as a child?

Are you saying its immoral? If you are then you need to prove it using an objective standard instead of appealing to emotion like a low T cuck
 
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So you do listen to what Sunnis say, only when it perfectly matches with the Quran. And what exactly constitutes that? No Hadith aligns perfectly with the Quran because they're two different pieces of literature. You either accept it or deny it. Bottom line is, knowing to pray is from Hadith and that doesn't align with the Quran. You have no proof from the Quran you're meant to pray like that. So you listened to the Sunni.

Is this really the Muslim defence?
No, the hadiths must not contradict the Quran and must come from direct sources that had contact with the Prophet, although there are others from Bukhari and Muslim that are accepted, so the Sunnah is partially accepted.
 
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Using the word 'fucked' already reflects the state of your dirty heart
Your Prophet fucked a child. Trying to say the word "fucked" is morally bad but sticking your cock in children isn't is hilarious. Absolute retard.

What constitutes as a child?
https://www.unicef.org/child-rights-convention/convention-text-childrens-version

Mo had no idea about neuroscience, else he'd know when a human's nervous system and executive functions are matured. The age of 18 isn't just an arbitrary age, it's an agreed upon consensus about cognitive, emotional, and social readiness for legal responsibility. As you get older and reach total and utter maturity, it decays in its gradient.

Let me explain a simple concept to your colossal retarded muzzie self. From 11-18, the prefrontal cortex experiences insane amounts of synaptic pruning and myelination. That's why a 13-year-old and a 15-year-old make wildly different decisions whereas a 23-year-old and a 25-year-old don't, and a 60-year-old and a 62-year-old don't.

If you drew a graph of maturity vs. age, you'd see its logarithmic. By 18-years-old, you are roughly the same level of maturity of a 25-year-old, and certainly understanding of your actions and legal consequences. The power imbalance of someone at 9-years-old with a 54-year-old and a 18-year-old with that same person is not even comparable. This is backed by all research, entirely.

It's why we have Romeo and Juliet nuance. You'll notice as you get older, the acceptable age difference of partners generally gets larger. Welcome to neuroscience, retard. It's exponential.

Do you argue a 6-year-old is mentally and physically ready for marriage? And a 9-year-old is ready for sex and child-bearing? You'd offer your 6-year-old up to a 54-year-old, I imagine, right?

Your religion states children are prepubescent humans. Thus Mo still married a child according to your definition. He just fucked her when she started bleeding. And because he told you that's fine, you take it and don't question it. According to Islam you just magically hit puberty and you have this surge in mental capacity and you're now able to consent to marriage. It's completely against all scientific literature. We set 18 as the standard, and granted Romeo and Juliet nuance, we open up that gap because the difference in maturity is minimal, so it isn't as if you hit 18 and anything magical happens; we just need to set a standard age for law's sake, so we chose the most suitable one.

There's a reason under 18-year-olds score lower on standardised tests of executive function and risk assessment. Obviously Mo didn't know this and was just following the culture of the time.

Are you saying its immoral?
Yes. It is immoral to fuck children.

If you are then you need to prove it using an objective standard
I don't. You're listening to too much Mohammed Hijab. Why do you muzzies repeat the same charlatan arguments? Let's say I was some ancient religious follower even, what makes your book anymore valid than mine? You have no real stand apart from "it's objective because I think it's true" that is what your "objectivism" is. You cannot claim objectivism if your only proof for that objectivism is that you think it's true.

@wishIwasSalludon why do Muslims cope with objectivism? Objectivism is a mirage. Every moral code whether that be Kantian, utilitarian, divine command, all stand on a premise you cannot prove from sheer logic alone. "because God said so." But why accept that particular God when countless others make opposite demands with no more proof than the other?

UNICEF and WHO have plenty of data showing rates of domestic violence, obstetric complications, depression, and education failure among child brides. This is misery backed by statistics.

Neurobiology gives us measurable, repeatable data on brain development and decision-making capability, whereas your ancient books give us allegories penned by fellow humans to follow a standard laid out centuries, if not millennia, ago. You pick. Either follow the dusty tomes of "just trust me", or the MRI scans.

The same argument you have that children cannot become transgender because "they're just a silly little kid" is the same reason they can't make a commitment like that. Your medieval book doesn't override 21st century science.

If you think fucking children is totally fine, then that is enough proof of how barbaric, medieval, and ludicrous your religion is.

Bottom line is. I use neuroscience as my yardstick. You just use superstition dressed up in ink.
 
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No, the hadiths must not contradict the Quran and must come from direct sources that had contact with the Prophet, although there are others from Bukhari and Muslim that are accepted, so the Sunnah is partially accepted.
All of the "Sahih" ones have "authentic" chains of narrations according to Muslims. Thus all Sahih ones are as valid as each other. You can't accept some of them and deny the others. There isn't middle ground in Islam, or most religions for that matter. You're just trying to damage control.
 
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All of the "Sahih" ones have "authentic" chains of narrations according to Muslims. Thus all Sahih ones are as valid as each other. You can't accept some of them and deny the others. There isn't middle ground in Islam, or most religions for that matter. You're just trying to damage control.
Yes, it can be done, and it is done.
 
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Your Prophet fucked a child. Trying to say the word "fucked" is morally bad but sticking your cock in children isn't is hilarious. Absolute retard.


https://www.unicef.org/child-rights-convention/convention-text-childrens-version

Mo had no idea about neuroscience, else he'd know when a human's nervous system and executive functions are matured. The age of 18 isn't just an arbitrary age, it's an agreed upon consensus about cognitive, emotional, and social readiness for legal responsibility. As you get older and reach total and utter maturity, it decays in its gradient.

Let me explain a simple concept to your colossal retarded muzzie self. From 11-18, the prefrontal cortex experiences insane amounts of synaptic pruning and myelination. That's why a 13-year-old and a 15-year-old make wildly different decisions whereas a 23-year-old and a 25-year-old don't, and a 60-year-old and a 62-year-old don't.

If you drew a graph of maturity vs. age, you'd see its logarithmic. By 18-years-old, you are roughly the same level of maturity of a 25-year-old, and certainly understanding of your actions and legal consequences. The power imbalance of someone at 9-years-old with a 54-year-old and a 18-year-old with that same person is not even comparable. This is backed by all research, entirely.

It's why we have Romeo and Juliet nuance. You'll notice as you get older, the acceptable age difference of partners generally gets larger. Welcome to neuroscience, retard. It's exponential.

Do you argue a 6-year-old is mentally and physically ready for marriage? And a 9-year-old is ready for sex and child-bearing? You'd offer your 6-year-old up to a 54-year-old, I imagine, right?

Your religion states children are prepubescent humans. Thus Mo still married a child according to your definition. He just fucked her when she started bleeding. And because he told you that's fine, you take it and don't question it. According to Islam you just magically hit puberty and you have this surge in mental capacity and you're now able to consent to marriage. It's completely against all scientific literature. We set 18 as the standard, and granted Romeo and Juliet nuance, we open up that gap because the difference in maturity is minimal, so it isn't as if you hit 18 and anything magical happens; we just need to set a standard age for law's sake, so we chose the most suitable one.

There's a reason under 18-year-olds score lower on standardised tests of executive function and risk assessment. Obviously Mo didn't know this and was just following the culture of the time.


Yes. It is immoral to fuck children.


I don't. You're listening to too much Mohammed Hijab. Why do you muzzies repeat the same charlatan arguments? Let's say I was some ancient religious follower even, what makes your book anymore valid than mine? You have no real stand apart from "it's objective because I think it's true" that is what your "objectivism" is. You cannot claim objectivism if your only proof for that objectivism is that you think it's true.

@wishIwasSalludon why do Muslims cope with objectivism? Objectivism is a mirage. Every moral code whether that be Kantian, utilitarian, divine command, all stand on a premise you cannot prove from sheer logic alone. "because God said so." But why accept that particular God when countless others make opposite demands with no more proof than the other?

UNICEF and WHO have plenty of data showing rates of domestic violence, obstetric complications, depression, and education failure among child brides. This is misery backed by statistics.

Neurobiology gives us measurable, repeatable data on brain development and decision-making capability, whereas your ancient books give us allegories penned by fellow humans to follow a standard laid out centuries, if not millennia, ago. You pick. Either follow the dusty tomes of "just trust me", or the MRI scans.

The same argument you have that children cannot become transgender because "they're just a silly little kid" is the same reason they can't make a commitment like that. Your medieval book doesn't override 21st century science.

If you think fucking children is totally fine, then that is enough proof of how barbaric, medieval, and ludicrous your religion is.

Bottom line is. I use neuroscience as my yardstick. You just use superstition dressed up in ink.
I don’t bother debating religion anymore

Do you really think that you can reason with someone who believes 2000 years ago a Jew died on a stick to sacrifice himself to himself so that he can save humanity from himself

Or reason with someone who thinks cows are actually divine beings and that you should bathe in their poop and drink their piss

Or someone who thinks an Arab pedophile flew to heaven on a donkey 1400 yrs ago:forcedsmile:
 
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I don’t bother debating religion anymore
It really is always the same thing.

Do you really think that you can reason with someone who believes 2000 years ago a Jew died on a stick to sacrifice himself to himself so that he can save humanity from himself

Or reason with someone who thinks cows are actually divine beings and that you should bathe in their poop and drink their piss

Or someone who thinks an Arab pedophile flew to heaven on a donkey 1400 yrs ago:forcedsmile:
They're all clearly objectively moral, right? :feelsez:
 
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@wishIwasSalludon why do Muslims cope with objectivism?
Moral relativism is quite counter intuitive, despite it being true

I don’t believe morality exists

But it’s hard to live as though it doesnt

For example, I’d find someone who murdered an infant and then ate them to be completely reprehensible

But strictly speaking they technically didn’t do anything “wrong”
 
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Moral relativism is quite counter intuitive, despite it being true

I don’t believe morality exists

But it’s hard to live as though it doesnt

For example, I’d find someone who murdered and infant and ate them to be completely reprehensible

But strictly speaking they technically didn’t do anything “wrong”
That general intuition could be argued as your closest sense to a universal morality. But obviously some do not have that and will do whatever the fuck they want. Moral relativism is definitely true. I will only argue objective backing in a different sense, as I already assume the person I am speaking to knows I'm not referring to objective, universal morality.

Religioncels are really deluded. No more proof than a random schizo claiming he's a chosen Prophet.
 
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No more proof than a random schizo claiming he's a chosen Prophet.
Back when I was a Christian I would often ask myself

“If some man walked up to me and claimed to be the son of God would I believe him?”

The answer every time was no

Then it follows why you should believe some guy 2000 yrs ago who claimed the same

I always just ignored what my question entailed, because I wanted to believe. It’s so easy for us to deceive ourselves
 
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Back when I was a Christian I would often ask myself

“If some man walked up to me and claimed to be the son of God would I believe him?”

The answer every time was no

Then it follows why you should believe some guy 2000 yrs ago who claimed the same

I always just ignored what my question entailed, because I wanted to believe. It’s so easy for us to deceive ourselves
Innately, humans generally have this complex of wanting to believe there is something greater than this life. It's a cope. The human brain is the most fascinating system in the universe, we are the most intelligent species and it is similar to plastic. We suffer from our own success. We now have the consciousness to debate religion and afterlife concepts. Although, as you use that head of yours, you soon realise it really is just a cope because we didn't evolve to question such manners, rather to use intellect to succeed as a species.
 
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why do u care what a fictional character did, people still believing in sky gods
 
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I don’t bother debating religion anymore

Do you really think that you can reason with someone who believes 2000 years ago a Jew died on a stick to sacrifice himself to himself so that he can save humanity from himself
If Jesus really got crucified or not is actually debatable. Ironically the figure Jesus has his parallels in ancient Egypt with Osirs/Horus. Originally Horus had despite some other titles the title Lesus aswell, which just means the Lightbringer. The Romans took the name and switched the first letter with J, meaning we have Jesus instead of Lesus, and Jesus is often associated with the light or you have attendance at sun-days… many more
Or reason with someone who thinks cows are actually divine beings and that you should bathe in their poop and drink their piss

Or someone who thinks an Arab pedophile flew to heaven on a donkey 1400 yrs ago:forcedsmile:
 
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That general intuition could be argued as your closest sense to a universal morality.
I think that while moral relativism is true, it could be potentially be dangerous

It’s actually not that hard to override this “general intuition” humans have

History has no lack of evil committed not just by individuals but en masse by entire populations.

You may argue “yea ok things were different then, we’re better now, surely a modern person isn’t capable of such things”

Unfortunately you’d be wrong, look into the Milgrim experiment


Even ordinary people are willing to follow orders to torture and kill and innocent person if commanded to.

Combined this with the fact that Peter Singer presented an incredibly persuasive argument for how even ordinary people are “evil”

Atleast in how we think about ethics and morality here in the west

Here’s the paper and YT vid on it

 
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If Jesus really got crucified or not is actually debatable.
Naw the historical Jesus 100% was crucified(and yes Jesus was a real person)

It’s the surest fact we know about his life
 
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Mo had no idea about neuroscience, else he'd know when a human's nervous system and executive functions are matured. The age of 18 isn't just an arbitrary age, it's an agreed upon consensus about cognitive, emotional, and social readiness for legal responsibility. As you get older and reach total and utter maturity, it decays in its gradient.
Agreed? :lul:
The prefrontal cortex which is responsible for decision making develops at 25. Guess the AoC should be 25 itstead of 18.


Seems like theres diffrerences in age of consent even today amongst different countries
So in countries such where the age of consent is 16/15/12/13 etc are they pedophiles. (Finland,franceCroatia,Denmark etc)

So foids who has bfs at 12 that have sex with other 12 year olds are both rapists and pedophiles or something, is that what you're saying.

Let me explain a simple concept to your colossal retarded muzzie self. From 11-18, the prefrontal cortex experiences insane amounts of synaptic pruning and myelination. That's why a 13-year-old and a 15-year-old make wildly different decisions whereas a 23-year-old and a 25-year-old don't, and a 60-year-old and a 62-year-old don't.

If you drew a graph of maturity vs. age, you'd see its logarithmic. By 18-years-old, you are roughly the same level of maturity of a 25-year-old, and certainly understanding of your actions and legal consequences. The power imbalance of someone at 9-years-old with a 54-year-old and a 18-year-old with that same person is not even comparable. This is backed by all research, entirely.

It's why we have Romeo and Juliet nuance. You'll notice as you get older, the acceptable age difference of partners generally gets larger. Welcome to neuroscience, retard. It's exponential.
ramblings about 'power imbalance'
Power balances exist in relationships of all ages.
That means nobody should have a relationship then :lul:

Do you argue a 6-year-old is mentally and physically ready for marriage? And a 9-year-old is ready for sex and child-bearing?
Hot desert climates cause humans to mature faster physically

If there body can bare children and theres no physical or emotional harm, then yes they are ready and your opinion is irrelevant.

You're comparing yourself to Aishah(RA), she was more mature at 6 than you will be in 100 years.:lul:
There was no physical or emotional harm and Aishah(RA) had no problem herself her entire life until she died.
She doesnt need your dirty kafir defense

There's a reason under 18-year-olds score lower on standardised tests of executive function and risk assessment. Obviously Mo didn't know this and was just following the culture of the time.
scoring differently on test has no bearing on whether they are ready for marriage :lul:
They are two different things that are not comparable.
Yes. It is immoral to fuck children.
Do you have moral standard to judge anything as immoral?
For other things as well?
I don't. You're listening to too much Mohammed Hijab. Why do you muzzies repeat the same charlatan arguments? Let's say I was some ancient religious follower even, what makes your book anymore valid than mine? You have no real stand apart from "it's objective because I think it's true" that is what your "objectivism" is. You cannot claim objectivism if your only proof for that objectivism is that you think it's true.
I dont watch him lol
You do since you need a basis for morality or else its just your emotional ramblings
You do since you're saying its immoral.
Its ImmORaL bEcaUse it hUrts my fEeLiNgs.😢

Every moral code whether that be Kantian, utilitarian, divine command, all stand on a premise you cannot prove from sheer logic alone. "because God said so." But why accept that particular God when countless others make opposite demands with no more proof than the other?
There is proof, just because you ignore it doesnt mean there is none :lul:

UNICEF and WHO have plenty of data showing rates of domestic violence, obstetric complications, depression, and education failure among child brides. This is misery backed by statistics.
Yeah it doesnt matter in this context because there was no abuse.
Bring a hadith where she was abused.

Neurobiology gives us measurable, repeatable data on brain development and decision-making capability, whereas your ancient books give us allegories penned by fellow humans to follow a standard laid out centuries, if not millennia, ago. You pick. Either follow the dusty tomes of "just trust me", or the MRI scans.
If its based on brain development then 25 should be the age not 18 since thats when the brain (prefrontal cortex) develops.
Grey matter in the brain peaks at around 12 to 14

Cope age cuck

The Islamic standard for marriage is:
Physically Mature
Mental Maturity
No Emotional harm
No Physical Harm

Aishah(RA) fit this, so your opinion is irrelevant and she was an adult :lul:

This is Universal for all times not based on limited SOYiance :soy: which constantly changes.

Since you're using 18 as a standard, whats the difference between a foid who is 18 and a foid who is 17 years 364 days old?:lul:
 
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HE FUCKED HER WHEN SHE WAS 9. The married at 6 and fucked at 9. Its so much worse than most people think :lul:
The Office Yes GIF


The Jews, their cousins, taught them everything they know.
 
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Agreed? :lul:
The prefrontal cortex which is responsible for decision making develops at 25. Guess the AoC should be 25 itstead of 18.


Seems like theres diffrerences in age of consent even today amongst different countries
So in countries such where the age of consent is 16/15/12/13 etc are they pedophiles. (Finland,franceCroatia,Denmark etc)

So foids who has bfs at 12 that have sex with other 12 year olds are both rapists and pedophiles or something, is that what you're saying.


ramblings about 'power imbalance'
Power balances exist in relationships of all ages.
That means nobody should have a relationship then :lul:


Hot desert climates cause humans to mature faster physically

If there body can bare children and theres no physical or emotional harm, then yes they are ready and your opinion is irrelevant.

You're comparing yourself to Aishah(RA), she was more mature at 6 than you will be in 100 years.:lul:
There was no physical or emotional harm and Aishah(RA) had no problem herself her entire life until she died.
She doesnt need your dirty kafir defense


scoring differently on test has no bearing on whether they are ready for marriage :lul:
They are two different things that are not comparable.

Do you have moral standard to judge anything as immoral?
For other things as well?

I dont watch him lol
You do since you need a basis for morality or else its just your emotional ramblings
You do since you're saying its immoral.
Its ImmORaL bEcaUse it hUrts my fEeLiNgs.😢


There is proof, just because you ignore it doesnt mean there is none :lul:


Yeah it doesnt matter in this context because there was no abuse.
Bring a hadith where she was abused.


If its based on brain development then 25 should be the age not 18 since thats when the brain (prefrontal cortex) develops.
Grey matter in the brain peaks at around 12 to 14

Cope age cuck

The Islamic standard for marriage is:
Physically Mature
Mental Maturity
No Emotional harm
No Physical Harm

Aishah(RA) fit this, so your opinion is irrelevant and she was an adult :lul:

This is Universal for all times not based on limited SOYiance :soy: which constantly changes.

Since you're using 18 as a standard, whats the difference between a foid who is 18 and a foid who is 17 years 364 days old?:lul:
17 is a baby, you asshole! Shame on you. But at 18, you can run a train on.
 
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Agreed? :lul:
The prefrontal cortex which is responsible for decision making develops at 25. Guess the AoC should be 25 itstead of 18.


Seems like theres diffrerences in age of consent even today amongst different countries
So in countries such where the age of consent is 16/15/12/13 etc are they pedophiles. (Finland,franceCroatia,Denmark etc)

So foids who has bfs at 12 that have sex with other 12 year olds are both rapists and pedophiles or something, is that what you're saying.


ramblings about 'power imbalance'
Power balances exist in relationships of all ages.
That means nobody should have a relationship then :lul:


Hot desert climates cause humans to mature faster physically

If there body can bare children and theres no physical or emotional harm, then yes they are ready and your opinion is irrelevant.

You're comparing yourself to Aishah(RA), she was more mature at 6 than you will be in 100 years.:lul:
There was no physical or emotional harm and Aishah(RA) had no problem herself her entire life until she died.
She doesnt need your dirty kafir defense


scoring differently on test has no bearing on whether they are ready for marriage :lul:
They are two different things that are not comparable.

Do you have moral standard to judge anything as immoral?
For other things as well?

I dont watch him lol
You do since you need a basis for morality or else its just your emotional ramblings
You do since you're saying its immoral.
Its ImmORaL bEcaUse it hUrts my fEeLiNgs.😢


There is proof, just because you ignore it doesnt mean there is none :lul:


Yeah it doesnt matter in this context because there was no abuse.
Bring a hadith where she was abused.


If its based on brain development then 25 should be the age not 18 since thats when the brain (prefrontal cortex) develops.
Grey matter in the brain peaks at around 12 to 14

Cope age cuck

The Islamic standard for marriage is:
Physically Mature
Mental Maturity
No Emotional harm
No Physical Harm

Aishah(RA) fit this, so your opinion is irrelevant and she was an adult :lul:

This is Universal for all times not based on limited SOYiance :soy: which constantly changes.

Since you're using 18 as a standard, whats the difference between a foid who is 18 and a foid who is 17 years 364 days old?:lul:
@wishIwasSalludon did he even read what I said? Just read the last few lines. I've addressed this all. Didn't address any of my points. Deary me. Muslims are at a new low. I need to stick to the Speakers Corner ones. At least they listen to what you have to say.
 
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@wishIwasSalludon did he even read what I said? Just read the last few lines. I've addressed this all. Didn't address any of my points. Deary me. Muslims are at a new low. I need to stick to the Speakers Corner ones. At least they listen to what you have to say.
You need to change that fucking image in your signature or at least, place a small sign above them that reads, "20 YO MIDGETS."

Obviously not what I said.
The fuck you think this forum is, intelligent conversations? Fuck you!
 
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jfl at being religious on a blackpill forum
why did your god make you incel? why did he make women unattracted to 90% of men?
 

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