Pros and cons about the US imo

[Jason Voorhees]

Pros

-Insane wages. This is the biggest pro. If you have a high IQ career (Tech, Finance, Specialized Engineering) or even a trade the wages are unparalleled. You literally cannot find these numbers in Europe or Asia without being a literal
CEO.

-The "Land of Opportunity" US still has the most liquid venture capital and the easiest path to scaling a business. It's the ultimate "high risk, high reward" build

Why American VCs always win and who you should always target

If you are building something that feels "too big" or "too crazy" or too ambitious for your local market and nobody is entertaining your idea. Then you need it is time to look toward the United States of America. In Europe and East Asia. The VCs go for preservation and incremental gains, the...

looksmax.org

-Geographic Variety. US is huge and regardless of if you want to mountainmax in the Rockies or beachmax in Florida, the map is massive and diverse. The nature and wildlife in the US country side is also amazing and beautiful.

-Americans unlike Europeans are very friendly. Even if you are an immigrant you can quickly make friends with Americans. They are very welcoming and warm. Atleast the ones I've met. People will talk to you at the gym, the bar, or the grocery store. If you have decent social calibration you can easily build a network and social circle from scratch in months unlike the decades it would take anywhere else

-The US is the world's biggest testing ground. You get the latest tech, supplements, and fashion drops before anyone else. You'll be spoilt for choice for everything. For the first time in my life. I saw 10 different KitKat flavours next to each other in store. That's something that only happens in the USA. There's also a massive entertainment industry. Hollywood, gaming etc.

-Lower Tax rates. This heavily depends on your state. California and New York are bad but Texas, Florida etc the tax rates are significantly lower than European countries

Cons

-Cost of Living (COL) Crisis: While
wages are high, the Big Three (Housing, Healthcare, Education) are massive gold sinks. In 2026, if you aren't pulling at least $75k-$90k in a major hub, you're basically just wageslaving to stay afloat.


-Zero Safety Net: Unlike the European server there is no respawn point in the US. If you lose your job, you lose your health insurance you are fuckinf done. One bad medical bill is a literal game over for your decades long savings.

- Depending on the city you will be dealing with high crime rates, crumbling infrastructure and if you don't have a car you won't have a social life.

-Insane income disparity. This is the most visible in California. Millionaire tech startup CEOs, engineer and crypto niggas Lamborghini parked next to a homeless encampment. It's a brutal aesthetic


Overall imo USA is S tier if you are an ambitious young man who is high status, high skill, or has a high value degree and is willing to work hard. You can accumulate wealth faster than anywhere on earth. But imo it is D Tier if you are a low skill worker or low social skills autist . Europe is better because people just leave you alone and there's welfare there in the US you will be stuck in a "work sleep repeat" loop with zero healthcare and no path to ascension.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Subhuman @MediterraneanMoid @dhusc @Divineincel

 

[tansel]

Europe is better

u can’t just move to europe as an american though lol

u need a work visa

 

[MediterraneanMoid]

I actually agree with most of them Jason, I actually thought about travelling to the US after I finish med school and gain some experience
It would be pretty useful and nice to use my knowledge and gain knowledge in american territory

 

[Jason Voorhees]

u can’t just move to europe as an american though lol

u need a work visa

That goes without saying isn't it? We are talking about all this from a third person perspective

 

[molotov]

mirin for effort

Americans unlike Europeans are very friendly

I wouldn't call europeans unfriendly, it obviously depends on a person. All the more so, Europe isn't one country. As someone who lived in both west and east Europe, I can say that people in east (Ukraine where I'm from) are more friendly, though, based off my experience.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Daddy's Home @Acquiescence @imontheloose @lnceIs

 

[Jason Voorhees]

I wouldn't call europeans unfriendly, it obviously depends on a person. All the more so, Europe isn't one country. As someone who lived in both west and east Europe, I can say that people in east (Ukraine where I'm from) are more friendly, though, based off my experience.

Oh I thought slavs had a reputation for being cold, unfriendly and distant

 

[dhusc]

Pros

-Insane wages. This is the biggest pro. If you have a high IQ career (Tech, Finance, Specialized Engineering) or even a trade the wages are unparalleled. You literally cannot find these numbers in Europe or Asia without being a literal
CEO.

-The "Land of Opportunity" US still has the most liquid venture capital and the easiest path to scaling a business. It's the ultimate "high risk, high reward" build

Why American VCs always win and who you should always target

If you are building something that feels "too big" or "too crazy" or too ambitious for your local market and nobody is entertaining your idea. Then you need it is time to look toward the United States of America. In Europe and East Asia. The VCs go for preservation and incremental gains, the...

looksmax.org

-Geographic Variety. US is huge and regardless you want to "mountainmax" in the Rockies or "beachmax" in Florida, the map is massive and diverse. The natural wildlife in the USA is also amazing and beautiful.

-Americans unlike Europeans are very friendly. Even if you are an immigrant you can quickly make friends with Americans. They are very welcoming and warm. Atleast the ones I've met. People will talk to you at the gym, the bar, or the grocery store. If you have decent social calibration you can easily build a network and social circle from scratch in months unlike the decades it would take anywhere else

-The US is the world's biggest testing ground. You get the latest tech, supplements, and fashion drops before anyone else. You'll be spoilt for choice for everything. For the first time in my life. I saw 10 different KitKat flavours next to each other in store. That's something that only happens in the USA. There's also a massive entertainment industry. Hollywood, gaming etc.

-Lower Tax rates. This heavily depends on your state. California and New York are bad but Texas, Florida etc the tax rates are significantly lower than European countries

Cons

-Cost of Living (COL) Crisis: While
wages are high, the Big Three (Housing, Healthcare, Education) are massive gold sinks. In 2026, if you aren't pulling at least $75k-$90k in a major hub, you're basically just wageslaving to stay afloat.


-Zero Safety Net: Unlike the European server there is no respawn point in the US. If you lose your job, you lose your health insurance you are fuckinf done. One bad medical bill is a literal game over for your decades long savings.

- Depending on the city you will be dealing with high crime rates, crumbling infrastructure and if you don't have a car you won't have a social life.

-Insane income disparity. This is the most visible in California. Millionaire tech startup CEOs, engineer and crypto niggas Lamborghini parked next to a homeless encampment. It's a brutal aesthetic


Overall imo USA is S tier if you are young ambitious young man who high skill, or have a high value degree. You can accumulate wealth faster than anywhere on earth. But imo it is D Tier if you are a low skill worker or low social skills autist . Europe is better because people just leave you along and there's welfare in the US you will be stuck in a "work sleep repeat" loop with zero healthcare and no path to ascension.

bidets

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Sayori @davidlaidisme67 @joao23 @Nothyng

 

[molotov]

Oh I thought slavs had a reputation for being cold, unfriendly and distant

not from my experience. maybe it's because I'm slavic myself, but I've always found our people more simple and talkative. I've moved to Germany in 2019 and I don't have the same vibe with people here.

 

[81xa]

too many niggers

 

[Nothyng]

Europe is usually safer and more stable for the average person.

 

[NinjaRG9]

yoy never mentioned safety

 

[Jason Voorhees]

too many niggers

Europe is usually safer and more stable for the average person.

This is only problem in the inner city areas. It heavily depends on the city. Like yes crimes rates are very high in new Orleans or St. louis but overall it's not too bad. You can also carry firearms

 

[Jason Voorhees]

yoy never mentioned safety

This is only problem in the inner city areas. It heavily depends on the city. Like yes crimes rates are very high in new Orleans or St. louis but overall it's not too bad

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Sub5kang

 

[Sub5kang]

Pros

-Insane wages. This is the biggest pro. If you have a high IQ career (Tech, Finance, Specialized Engineering) or even a trade the wages are unparalleled. You literally cannot find these numbers in Europe or Asia without being a literal
CEO.

-The "Land of Opportunity" US still has the most liquid venture capital and the easiest path to scaling a business. It's the ultimate "high risk, high reward" build

Why American VCs always win and who you should always target

If you are building something that feels "too big" or "too crazy" or too ambitious for your local market and nobody is entertaining your idea. Then you need it is time to look toward the United States of America. In Europe and East Asia. The VCs go for preservation and incremental gains, the...

looksmax.org

-Geographic Variety. US is huge and regardless you want to "mountainmax" in the Rockies or "beachmax" in Florida, the map is massive and diverse. The natural wildlife in the USA is also amazing and beautiful.

-Americans unlike Europeans are very friendly. Even if you are an immigrant you can quickly make friends with Americans. They are very welcoming and warm. Atleast the ones I've met. People will talk to you at the gym, the bar, or the grocery store. If you have decent social calibration you can easily build a network and social circle from scratch in months unlike the decades it would take anywhere else

-The US is the world's biggest testing ground. You get the latest tech, supplements, and fashion drops before anyone else. You'll be spoilt for choice for everything. For the first time in my life. I saw 10 different KitKat flavours next to each other in store. That's something that only happens in the USA. There's also a massive entertainment industry. Hollywood, gaming etc.

-Lower Tax rates. This heavily depends on your state. California and New York are bad but Texas, Florida etc the tax rates are significantly lower than European countries

Cons

-Cost of Living (COL) Crisis: While
wages are high, the Big Three (Housing, Healthcare, Education) are massive gold sinks. In 2026, if you aren't pulling at least $75k-$90k in a major hub, you're basically just wageslaving to stay afloat.


-Zero Safety Net: Unlike the European server there is no respawn point in the US. If you lose your job, you lose your health insurance you are fuckinf done. One bad medical bill is a literal game over for your decades long savings.

- Depending on the city you will be dealing with high crime rates, crumbling infrastructure and if you don't have a car you won't have a social life.

-Insane income disparity. This is the most visible in California. Millionaire tech startup CEOs, engineer and crypto niggas Lamborghini parked next to a homeless encampment. It's a brutal aesthetic


Overall imo USA is S tier if you are an ambitious young man who is high status, high skill, or has a high value degree and is willing to work hard. You can accumulate wealth faster than anywhere on earth. But imo it is D Tier if you are a low skill worker or low social skills autist . Europe is better because people just leave you alone and there's welfare there in the US you will be stuck in a "work sleep repeat" loop with zero healthcare and no path to ascension.

Agree with all
I'm a black Brit and although I'm not treated as bad as other demographics I certainly am not treated well as well as others such as natives as I'm obviously not native however I've noticed that black Americans are seen as as American as everyone else, well at least id say that's the majorities viewpoint, the salary is just a cherry on top tbh nothing beats being treated as well as a native in a first world nation
As soon as I graduate uni I WILL be looking for job opportunities in the US

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Saint Casanova @piec @TemporaryName

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@polonaecel

 

[polonaecel]

Pros

-Insane wages. This is the biggest pro. If you have a high IQ career (Tech, Finance, Specialized Engineering) or even a trade the wages are unparalleled. You literally cannot find these numbers in Europe or Asia without being a literal
CEO.

-The "Land of Opportunity" US still has the most liquid venture capital and the easiest path to scaling a business. It's the ultimate "high risk, high reward" build

Why American VCs always win and who you should always target

If you are building something that feels "too big" or "too crazy" or too ambitious for your local market and nobody is entertaining your idea. Then you need it is time to look toward the United States of America. In Europe and East Asia. The VCs go for preservation and incremental gains, the...

looksmax.org

-Geographic Variety. US is huge and regardless of if you want to mountainmax in the Rockies or beachmax in Florida, the map is massive and diverse. The nature and wildlife in the US country side is also amazing and beautiful.

-Americans unlike Europeans are very friendly. Even if you are an immigrant you can quickly make friends with Americans. They are very welcoming and warm. Atleast the ones I've met. People will talk to you at the gym, the bar, or the grocery store. If you have decent social calibration you can easily build a network and social circle from scratch in months unlike the decades it would take anywhere else

-The US is the world's biggest testing ground. You get the latest tech, supplements, and fashion drops before anyone else. You'll be spoilt for choice for everything. For the first time in my life. I saw 10 different KitKat flavours next to each other in store. That's something that only happens in the USA. There's also a massive entertainment industry. Hollywood, gaming etc.

-Lower Tax rates. This heavily depends on your state. California and New York are bad but Texas, Florida etc the tax rates are significantly lower than European countries

Cons

-Cost of Living (COL) Crisis: While
wages are high, the Big Three (Housing, Healthcare, Education) are massive gold sinks. In 2026, if you aren't pulling at least $75k-$90k in a major hub, you're basically just wageslaving to stay afloat.


-Zero Safety Net: Unlike the European server there is no respawn point in the US. If you lose your job, you lose your health insurance you are fuckinf done. One bad medical bill is a literal game over for your decades long savings.

- Depending on the city you will be dealing with high crime rates, crumbling infrastructure and if you don't have a car you won't have a social life.

-Insane income disparity. This is the most visible in California. Millionaire tech startup CEOs, engineer and crypto niggas Lamborghini parked next to a homeless encampment. It's a brutal aesthetic


Overall imo USA is S tier if you are an ambitious young man who is high status, high skill, or has a high value degree and is willing to work hard. You can accumulate wealth faster than anywhere on earth. But imo it is D Tier if you are a low skill worker or low social skills autist . Europe is better because people just leave you alone and there's welfare there in the US you will be stuck in a "work sleep repeat" loop with zero healthcare and no path to ascension.

America would be great if it wasnt for the bullshit insurance and healthcare

 

[Acquiescence]

Accurate

I will never leave tbh

 

[littestjeff1]

what about the food quality? since i've heard US companies explicitly put toxic chemicals banned everywhere else into their products to lower costs

don't you also have a shit ton of mulattos, hapas, mutts, etc in the USA? i've never seen one irl but from the footage i've seen their life looks genuinely brutal

 

[chang cypionate]

I feel like in 2026 people overlook the pros of the USA a lot. It's even becoming slightly "underrated" in my opinion. I personally wouldn't mind moving there one day.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

what about the food quality? since i've heard US companies explicitly put toxic chemicals banned everywhere else into their products to lower costs

It depends. The US follows FDA guidelines. Ingredients are basically Innocent until proven guilty. A chemical is allowed until the government can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's killing people.

don't you also have a shit ton of mulattos, hapas, mutts, etc in the USA? i've never seen one irl but from the footage i've seen their life looks genuinely brutal

Yes lots of mixed people in major cities. I've even tri racial mutts in SF. It's a melting pot.

 

[lnceIs]

Despite the downsides the US just mogs too hard imo

Europe is designed to accommodate inbred 39-year-old migrants

Also, you can carry a glock

 

[ostri99]

just thinking about the usa makes me exhaust the limits of creativity. sorting trough kitkats, sorting trough races, sorting through guns, sorting through innovation and the extensive archives as well. new ways to upgrade/downgrade QOL then point them out in a comprehensive pros and cons sheet. I'm sure a specific combination of those factors will somehow validate being present in that specific coordinate over being present in another set of coordinates.

 

[JOTAROSON]

Плюсы

— Безумно высокие зарплаты. Это самый большой плюс. Если у вас высокоинтеллектуальная профессия (технологии, финансы, специализированная инженерия) или даже рабочая специальность, зарплаты будут несравнимы. Вы буквально не найдете таких цифр в Европе или Азии, если не являетесь буквально...
ГЕНЕРАЛЬНЫЙ ДИРЕКТОР.

— США, «страна возможностей», по-прежнему обладают самым ликвидным венчурным капиталом и самым простым путем к масштабированию бизнеса. Это идеальный пример стратегии «высокий риск, высокая отдача».

Why American VCs always win and who you should always target

If you are building something that feels "too big" or "too crazy" or too ambitious for your local market and nobody is entertaining your idea. Then you need it is time to look toward the United States of America. In Europe and East Asia. The VCs go for preservation and incremental gains, the...

looksmax.org

— Географическое разнообразие. США огромны, и независимо от того, хотите ли вы покорить горы в Скалистых горах или покорить пляжи во Флориде, карта страны колоссальна и разнообразна. Природа и дикая жизнь в сельской местности США также удивительны и прекрасны.

— Американцы, в отличие от европейцев, очень дружелюбны. Даже если вы иммигрант, вы быстро подружитесь с американцами. Они очень приветливы и доброжелательны. По крайней мере, те, кого я встречал. Люди будут разговаривать с вами в спортзале, баре или продуктовом магазине. Если у вас есть неплохие навыки общения, вы легко сможете создать сеть контактов и круг общения с нуля за несколько месяцев, в отличие от десятилетий, которые потребовались бы где-либо еще.

— США — крупнейший в мире полигон для испытаний. Вы получаете доступ к новейшим технологиям, добавкам и модным новинкам раньше всех. Выбор огромен. Впервые в жизни я увидел в магазине 10 разных вкусов KitKat рядом друг с другом. Такое бывает только в США. Также здесь развита огромная индустрия развлечений: Голливуд, игры и т.д.

— Более низкие налоговые ставки. Это во многом зависит от штата. В Калифорнии и Нью-Йорке ситуация плохая, но в Техасе, Флориде и т.д. налоговые ставки значительно ниже, чем в европейских странах.

Минусы

-Кризис стоимости жизни: В то время как
Заработная плата высока, а «большая тройка» (жилье, здравоохранение, образование) — это огромные «золотые траты». В 2026 году, если вы не зарабатываете хотя бы 75-90 тысяч долларов в крупном транспортном узле, вы, по сути, просто работаете на себя, чтобы остаться на плаву.


-Никакой страховки: В отличие от европейского сервера, в США нет точки возрождения. Если вы потеряете работу, потеряете медицинскую страховку, вам конец. Один плохой медицинский счет — это буквально конец игры для ваших многолетних сбережений.

— В зависимости от города вам придётся столкнуться с высоким уровнем преступности, разрушающейся инфраструктурой, а если у вас нет машины, то и социальной жизни не будет.

— Безумное неравенство в доходах. Это особенно заметно в Калифорнии. Lamborghini миллионеров, генеральных директоров технологических стартапов, инженеров и криптоэнтузиастов припаркованы рядом с лагерем бездомных. Это жестокая эстетика.


В целом, на мой взгляд, США — это страна S-уровня, если вы амбициозный молодой человек с высоким статусом, высокой квалификацией или престижным образованием, готовый усердно работать. Вы можете накопить богатство быстрее, чем где бы то ни было на Земле. Но, на мой взгляд, это страна D-уровня, если вы низкоквалифицированный работник или человек с низким уровнем социальных навыков, например, аутист. Европа лучше, потому что там люди просто оставляют вас в покое, и там есть социальное обеспечение. В США же вы застрянете в замкнутом круге «работай, спи, повторяй» без медицинского страхования и без пути к карьерному росту.

I'm waiting for the next country - Russia.

 

[Chadeep]

Software in US Hardware In China

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

School shootings in particular as well.

 

[HardStuckLTN;]

-Americans unlike Europeans are very friendly. Even if you are an immigrant you can quickly make friends with Americans. They are very welcoming and warm. Atleast the ones I've met. People will talk to you at the gym, the bar, or the grocery store. If you have decent social calibration you can easily build a network and social circle from scratch in months unlike the decades it would take anywhere else

is approaching random people actually that common in the US though? where i'm from it only ever happens at parties, and even then it's not THAT common. Whenever strangers approach me in public i automatically asumme they're weirdos lol

 

[Daddy's Home]

I am from Europe and have traveled / I am familiar with most of it

The US simply mogs the shit out of Europe in about every way, there is not even a notion of comparison

A middle class American who has lived the ''American dream'' for 20 years, if he were to come and live the European pace and lifestyle for the average guy here, just for one month, he will say we live in a 3rd world country, and would lose any respect for Europe it may have

Simply the cities, buildings, houses, apartments, society, people, infrastructure, cars, products and their variety, the space in general how it is managed, etc. is absolutely horrible compared to the US

Like imagine telling an average American with a 300 square meter house in the suburbs and a large garden, with a garage and 2 cars parked in front of the house, that Europeans have no problem, and are even grateful that they can live their universal existence in such "prison cells" like below lol, and that they don't afford a car, and so they have to wait and take public transportation for literally everything.. Like bro..



The only thing better about Europe is the culinary culture and traditional food. It's not like the US doesn't have some really good traditional food, but Europe is really good in that regard

Also, US food for the average European who is not used to it and did not grow up with it will often seem too fatty / oily

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Swarthy Knight

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@mohito

 

[Swarthy Knight]

But imo it is D Tier if you are a low skill worker or low social skills autist . Europe is better because people just leave you alone and there's welfare there

Meh as someone who falls into this category, Ive been getting by quite well here in Canada

 

[Diyorldar]

The bay area has gotta be the most extreme income disparity on planet earth

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Joeseminate

 

[Jason Voorhees]

The bay area has gotta be the most extreme income disparity on planet earth

Indeed. You'll see 3 million dollar houses and a stones throw away tent people with their belongings in a cart. And drug addicts sleeping on the pavement in the next street

 

[Diyorldar]

Indeed. You'll see 3 million dollar houses and a stones throw away tent people with their belongings in a cart. And drug addicts sleeping on the pavement in the next street

It makes me really sad, our ultra capitalist country has made it so those with high enough IQ, drive, and luck/spawn can succeed extremely well. But the flip side is zero support for those who need it most.

Homeless people aren't even treated like humans.

Brutal

 

[SplashJuice]

You could work in the large metros (NYC, LA, SF) for a couple decades and retire in Montana or the rockies if you really want, the US is expensive but mainly where the jobs are.

 

[Joeseminate]

Cant stand american manesrisms to fake dont know what to think half the time, drinking age 21, expensive club culture (covers and tables), shit beer, shit food in general full of chemicals and just shit in general (this is coming from somone in the uk and yes Ihave been to america multiple times restaurant food is ok but grocerys is shit), if I were to live there I would wanna live in like nyc or la good looking foids.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Bumo

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@karmacitathugmaxx

 

[karmacitathugmaxx]

One bad medical bill is a literal game over for your decades long savings.

Yeah but if youre self employed you can just not pay that shit cause they cant garnish your wages

Also, as for people being welcoming, if you're an LTN and try to actually act like they are welcoming you, its not gonna go well No society anywhere likes ugly s, water

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@duhz

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@kisslessvirgin

 

[kisslessvirgin]

If I ever moved to the US

I'd want to live in California

US mogs if you have ambitions and want a faster lyfe style

if not EU mogs

you stay in skool till your 30s getting a phd

living off your stipend

or you can live off benefits

 

[Jason Voorhees]

is approaching random people actually that common in the US though? where i'm from it only ever happens at parties, and even then it's not THAT common. Whenever strangers approach me in public i automatically asumme they're weirdos lol

Yes small talk is common. People randomly start chatting about the weather, last night NBA game, or anything

 

[IronMike]

why are their so many europeans on this fucking site man, half of the jokes goes above these 3rd worlders heads and their own humor is substandard and 5 years behind

 

[IronMike]

The bay area has gotta be the most extreme income disparity on planet earth

also the highest WMAF rates, and has a huge amount of fags