Proverbs 18:10

[ICXCLuvr]

our time on earth is a test to see if we are worth of entering the kingdom of heaven

God is omniscient. There is no need for him to test us since he knows everything, he knows the results.

And again how is there free will in heaven

Limiting desires literally changes you, you’re no longer urself. That’s not “free”.

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Romans 5:12

? What

 

[bluebandz]

It’s a term used to describe a god that interferes with the world and communicates with us
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Leviticus 25:44-46 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly

Ah i thought you meant a God just for us specifically. My fault i misinterpreted. As for the verse, God was regulating something already happening, making it far better than it was. Similar to divorce. None of this should have happened, but it did, and God wants to make sure it doesn’t get worse

 

[Gajjo]

There’s been a lot of brutal evil content here as of recently that I don’t want to mention. I haven’t seen it luckily but i think it’s done anyway. Shoutout to all the mods.

Anyway if you have something stuck in your head like this or keep falling into sin, pray, as in prayer, nothing can get to you.

Proverbs 18:10 says “The name of the Lord is a fortified tower; the righteous run to it and are safe.”

You da real preacher <3

 

[bluebandz]

? What

Read the verse

 

[bluebandz]

You da real preacher <3

much love twin God bless

 

[ICXCLuvr]

God was regulating something already happening, making it far better than it was.

Regulating slavery is the same thing as supporting it. No where does he condemn it. If I “regulated” child trafficking is that not in direct support of it?

and God wants to make sure it doesn’t get worse

You sure about that? Inheriting slaves is making it worse

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Read the verse

How does it connect to your point or disprove mines?

 

[Johnmogs2145]

God is omniscient. There is no need for him to test us since he knows everything, he knows the results.

And again how is there free will in heaven

Limiting desires literally changes you, you’re no longer urself. That’s not “free”.

Not necessarily our fate is not sealed

our destiny is chosen by the paths we take on earth will determine if we fall into hell heaven or purgatory

I don’t know how people can believe that God already knows the outcome of everything but he offers forgiveness no matter how bad our sin is

look at the apostle paul he would persecute jews and he had hatred for all christian’s, God showed him a sign, he asked for forgiveness from his sins and he ended up doing great work in Gods command to wear he was eventually crucified for his faith

if God were to show you a sign and show you his mercy face to face would you still deny the existence of christ?

 

[bluebandz]

Regulating slavery is the same thing as supporting it. No where does he condemn it. If I “regulated” child trafficking is that not in direct support of it?

You sure about that? Inheriting slaves is making it worse

God obviously condemns slavery if he puts them up with murderers.

 

[bluebandz]

Not necessarily our fate is not sealed

our destiny is chosen by the paths we take on earth will determine if we fall into hell heaven or purgatory

I don’t know how people can believe that God already knows the outcome of everything but he offers forgiveness no matter how bad our sin is

look at the apostle paul he would persecute jews and he had hatred for all christian’s, God showed him a sign, he asked for forgiveness from his sins and he ended up doing great work in Gods command to wear he was eventually crucified for his faith

if God were to show you a sign and show you his mercy face to face would you still deny the existence of christ?

God knows the outcome but he doesn’t have to necessarily fully control it

 

[ICXCLuvr]

W god stoning children

Deuteronomy 21-18 -21 23:2



18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid

 

[ICXCLuvr]

God obviously condemns slavery if he puts them up with murderers.

He just doesn’t doe

 

[bluebandz]

W god stoning children

Deuteronomy 21-18 -21 23:2



18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid

Life is far more important to us than it is God. Because there is more life after our worldly life. So why does it matter if there is death now but amazing Life to await us?

 

[bluebandz]

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He just doesn’t doe

Yessir W credible source let’s go

 

[Johnmogs2145]

God obviously condemns slavery if he puts them up with murderers.

great example of this is the splitting of the red sea with the egyptians the egyptians used the jews as slaves to build statues of their Gods and they were all condemned to death when they had chased Moses and the jews across the red sea

also im at rep limit bhai id be repping you if i could sorry bhai

 

[ICXCLuvr]

I don’t know how people can believe that God already knows the outcome of everything

Because he apparently does

if God were to show you a sign and show you his mercy face to face would you still deny the existence of christ?

”if god existed would you deny his existence”

 

[bluebandz]

great example of this is the splitting of the red sea with the egyptians the egyptians used the jews as slaves to build statues of their Gods and they were all condemned to death when they had chased Moses and the jews across the red sea

also im at rep limit bhai id be repping you if i could sorry bhai

No worries bro much love i’ll still rep you
rep limits are annoying af your really close to blue though i think they go away at blue

 

[bluebandz]

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Because he apparently does

”if god existed would you deny his existence”

No i believe he knows the outcome i disagree with other guy on that

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Yessir W credible source let’s go

So if I regulate child trafficking but never condemn it I’m suddenly absolved from all moral responsibility?!

 

[bluebandz]

So if I regulate child trafficking but never condemn it I’m suddenly absolved from all moral responsibility?!

direct correlation to what i said lets go
If your God then your doing the correct thing
and by the way God clearly condemned it but no just dnr everything else i said

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Life is far more important to us than it is God. Because there is more life after our worldly life. So why does it matter if there is death now but amazing Life to await us?

this is your response to your god supporting stoning children to death?

 

[ICXCLuvr]

direct correlation to what i said lets go
If your God then your doing the correct thing
and by the way God clearly condemned it but no just dnr everything else i said

Where did god condemn slavery. Paste the verse here and use reasoning.

 

[bluebandz]

this is your response to your god supporting stoning children to death?

Yes lmao death does not matter when it’s worldly even nearly as much as Gods word does
I can tell you don’t want to have an open mind here and my point in this thread is to help people in their walk with God. I hope that you find God bhai much love God bless. I just don’t want to continue a conversation if it’s going to be pointless.

 

[bluebandz]

Where did god condemn slavery. Paste the verse here and use reasoning.

I already did he put up slave traders with murderers

 

[ICXCLuvr]

@Johnmogs2145

Why don’t you two just take this guy’s route? Admit slavery is good according to your god and stand by it

 

[bluebandz]

@Johnmogs2145

Why don’t you two just take this guy’s route? Admit slavery is good according to your god and stand by it

But God does not stand by it. Jfl. And the guy in the video has a good point actually to be fair I don’t agree with it but he is also showing how God wanted any slave owners to do it as morally as they could if they were going to anyway

 

[ICXCLuvr]

I already did he put up slave traders with murderers

Paste the verse in full and quote it using reasoning like a middle schooler could

 

[ICXCLuvr]

But God does not stand by it. Jfl.

Guy literally admits he does. If you regulate something and never condemn it then you support it.

 

[Johnmogs2145]

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Because he apparently does

”if god existed would you deny his existence”

Would you if he came to you face to face

explained everything and told you he loved you and that he has great plans for you

or would you still deny christianity

 

[bluebandz]

Guy literally admits he does. If you regulate something and never condemn it then you support it.

But God did condemn it jfl

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Would you if he came to you face to face

explained everything and told you he loved you and that he has great plans for you

or would you still deny christianity

Ur a bot.

If I saw direct proof then obviously I would support him. But did that ever happen? No. This is literally asking “if god existed would you still deny his existence” as I just previously pointed out.

 

[bluebandz]

Ur a bot.

If I saw direct proof then obviously I would support him. But did that ever happen? No. This is literally asking “if god existed would you still deny his existence” as I just previously pointed out.

It did happen, others saw direct proof. The first people who saw Jesus rise up were women. Among other accounts. But to create a believable story back then, do you actually think that they would want to use women, who were not respected back then?

 

[Johnmogs2145]

@Johnmogs2145

Why don’t you two just take this guy’s route? Admit slavery is good according to your god and stand by it

Slavery was never supported by christ

most slaves back in BC or BCE wtv u want to refer it as were more of servants when it came to the jews which were christs people

as for the romans and the atheist they were condemned for using people unjustly


I’m curious what religion do you follow since I see you are not a fan of christianity

are you atheist/agnostic?

 

[ICXCLuvr]

But God did condemn it jfl

Where

It did happen, others saw direct proof. The first people who saw Jesus rise up were women. Among other accounts. But to create a believable story back then, do you actually think that they would want to use women, who were not respected back then?

Wait, Christian love to use the argument that if god revealed himself directly to us then it would be a violation of free will. So what the hell did he only do it on occasion to a select few group of people. And what is the criteria to be selected for a revealing? This makes 0 sense

 

[Johnmogs2145]

Ur a bot.

If I saw direct proof then obviously I would support him. But did that ever happen? No. This is literally asking “if god existed would you still deny his existence” as I just previously pointed out.

there’s literally proof of his existence look at eucharistic miracles online you can’t make that shit up

you could even look at the human body and see it’s complexity and see that that in itself is living proof of a higher being

I pray for you bhai this society really bring down society and spreads many misinformation about our religion

 

[bluebandz]

Where

Wait, Christian love to use the argument that if god revealed himself directly to us then it would be a violation of free will. So what the hell did he only do it on occasion to a select few group of people. And what is the criteria to be selected for a revealing? This makes 0 sense

Jesus said there would be a delay to coming back as an act of mercy so that more have the opportunity to repent. Next time Jesus comes back he explicitly said it would be for judgement. God is not a liar.
Also as for me showing the verse of Jesus condemning slavery just scroll up jfl.

 

[ICXCLuvr]

there’s literally proof of his existence look at eucharistic miracles online you can’t make that shit up

That’s not direct proof. It’s hearsay at best. We’ve seen the same arguments used by every religion. But if you want to, please point to a specific event I can’t deny.

you could even look at the human body and see it’s complexity and see that that in itself is living proof of a higher being

fine tuning argument is funny to me, because what is an objectively “non complex” way to design life?
And again, I never denied the existence of a deistic god. I denied the existence of a personal all loving god. Since if anything, nature shows us that it’s very cruel and doesn’t care for us, despite the “design”

 

[Johnmogs2145]

That’s not direct proof. It’s hearsay at best. We’ve seen the same arguments used by every religion. But if you want to, please point to a specific event I can’t deny.

fine tuning argument is funny to me, because what is an objectively “non complex” way to design life?
And again, I never denied the existence of a deistic god. I denied the existence of a personal all loving god. Since if anything, nature shows us that it’s very cruel and doesn’t care for us, despite the “design”

I mean you tell me if there’s any other way to create an environment full of nature animals and plants and humans simply?

even having the idea of one species is beyond an accident

Nature on earth is centered around humans, animals were made for food,trees for shelter, fruit for consumption ect. unless the nature you refer to is humans I don’t see the validity in your point

great talking to you I hope you have a great day you had some good points

I hope you give christianity another shot there’s no point to this discussion if you deny everything that is being given you

 

[ICXCLuvr]

I mean you tell me if there’s any other way to create an environment full of nature animals and plants and humans simply?

Yeah, the garden of Eden for example is a peaceful place where animals didn’t die. But even if it wasn’t an example I could point to, god is all powerful so he should be able to design an environment where animals and humans coexist peacefully easily.

Nature on earth is centered around humans, animals were made for food,trees for shelter, fruit for consumption ect.

If nature of earth was centered around us then why did we need to invent shelter in the first place? Why does global warming exist? Why do people die to natural disasters? Why are we infected by so many diseases? Why are some continents better suited for us than others?

I hope you give christianity another shot there’s no point to this discussion if you deny everything that is being given you

I just gave you explicit proof That god supports slavery and you two were the ones denying it.

 

[ICXCLuvr]

I mean you tell me if there’s any other way to create an environment full of nature animals and plants and humans simply?

Life is a flawed concept coming from a personal god that is all living anyways. Since it involves pain. So no

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Nature on earth is centered around humans, animals were made for food,trees for shelter, fruit for consumption ect. unless the nature you refer to is humans I don’t see the validity in your point

We adapted to the environment. It wasn’t “built for us”

 

[Johnmogs2145]

Yeah, the garden of Eden for example is a peaceful place where animals didn’t die. But even if it wasn’t an example I could point to, god is all powerful so he should be able to design an environment where animals and humans coexist peacefully easily.

If nature of earth was centered around us then why did we need to invent shelter in the first place? Why does global warming exist? Why do people die to natural disasters? Why are we infected by so many diseases? Why are some continents better suited for us than others?

I just gave you explicit proof That god supports slavery and you two were the ones denying it.

I’m telling you read the whole book of job

God created suffering for a reason most people use the excuse that “if God loved us he would not have created suffering” when in reality it’s a complex answer that you need to actually read your bible to open


in the book of job God lets satan inflict horrible pain onto job

satan makes job loose everything but his wife and friends when he lived in a life of riches

it perfectly answers your question of why does God allow for suffering to exist

 

[Johnmogs2145]

We adapted to the environment. It wasn’t “built for us”

yet we have live stock and perfect living conditions that no other planet has?

 

[ICXCLuvr]

yet we have live stock and perfect living conditions that no other planet has?

1. Again it’s not “perfect” it’s actually very flawed with hunger issues and diseases and other various natural disasters (I’m repeating myself)
2. We evolved to live in these conditions.

 

[Johnmogs2145]

1. Again it’s not “perfect” it’s actually very flawed with hunger issues and diseases and other various natural disasters (I’m repeating myself)
2. We evolved to live in these conditions.

read genesis and revelation if your worried about the imperfections of earth

and then job for the why does evil happen when God is in control

I don’t wanna argue boyo let’s just end it here

 

[ICXCLuvr]

I’m telling you read the whole book of job

God created suffering for a reason most people use the excuse that “if God loved us he would not have created suffering” when in reality it’s a complex answer that you need to actually read your bible to open


in the book of job God lets satan inflict horrible pain onto job

satan makes job loose everything but his wife and friends when he lived in a life of riches

it perfectly answers your question of why does God allow for suffering to exist

The book of job’s lesson isn’t even about the problem of evil, it’s moreso about keeping faith in hard times. And if I really wanted to criticize and dissect it, its god allowing Satan to kill children (you said he didn’t lose his kids but he did) in order to prove a point to someone he KNEW would later go on to rebel against him (since god is omniscient, he shouldn’t have done all that just to prove Satan wrong)

 

[ICXCLuvr]

and then job for the why does evil happen when God is in control

Doesn’t answer problem of evil

read genesis and revelation if your worried about the imperfections of earth

Does not answer problem of evil

I don’t wanna argue boyo let’s just end it here

why when I’ve got all day and I’m responding to both of you guy’s points

 

[Johnmogs2145]

The book of job’s lesson isn’t even about the problem of evil, it’s moreso about keeping faith in hard times. And if I really wanted to criticize and dissect it, its god allowing Satan to kill children (you said he didn’t lose his kids but he did) in order to prove a point to someone he KNEW would later go on to rebel against him (since god is omniscient, he shouldn’t have done all that just to prove Satan wrong)

this point makes no sense God had given job his dream life because of his faith and God had given job his children and beautiful wife

We must have faith because what we can receive can also be taken away

every person on this earth serves a purpose and we should be kind to other no matter how they look or act even when it’s hard

God didn’t inflict anything onto job he had let satan do his work to see if job would maintain loyalty to him

Job did and he got his life back

 

[Johnmogs2145]

Doesn’t answer problem of evil

Does not answer problem of evil

why when I’ve got all day and I’m responding to both of you guy’s points

Gods plan is too complex for us to understand half the time we’re lucky to be alive right now as sinners in the eyes of God

he could strike us down right now if he wanted to

The solution to the problem of evil is: God created evil so that we can have a greater love for him

ik that sounds wrong and I myself spent many months trying to learn what this meant and I still have many questions

I don’t have all the answers my recommendation is that if you are really curious and have nothing better to do go talk to your local priest