proving the aryan heritage of the middleast

[bobt]

You are fucking stupid.

Yamnaya men didn't "migrate in to Europe and kill the men/rape the women".

There is no haplogroup R1a in Yamnaya, and the R1b clades in Yamnaya are Z2103 and other exotic clades that are not found in Corded Ware, Bell Beakers, or modern Western and Northern Europeans, in any sufficient quantity.

It was basically the other way around. Forest-steppe zone males with R1a and R1b-L51 killed Yamnaya men and stole their women. Most modern Europeans descend from this event, not your imaginary Yamnaya "male" expansion.

Is Yamnaya overrated?

Four years after the publication of the seminal ancient DNA paper Massive migration from the steppe is a source for Indo-European languages ...

eurogenes.blogspot.com

wasnt i1a one of the earliest groups in europe the roon culture

 

[Detona]

Yamanaya also had haplogroup I2, which is absent in Corded Ware and rare in most parts of Europe outside of the Balkans and parts of Eastern Europe.

 

[n0rthface]

Cope

Ok

 

[Deleted member 16571]

there has been proof of celtic dna, all over the middle east and migrating back to europe

Link to study??

I didn't read up on this too deeply but I'm pretty sure Celtic homeland is modern day Germany and they didn't make any roundabouts in the Middle East. I do remember reading that some Indo-European caravan made it's way past the Caspian into Turkey and then into the Balkans.

 

[Deleted member 16571]

You are fucking stupid.

Yamnaya men didn't "migrate in to Europe and kill the men/rape the women".

There is no haplogroup R1a in Yamnaya, so haplogroup R1a cannot come from Yamnaya.

And the R1b haplogroups in Yamnaya belong to the Z2103 clade, and to other exotic clades of R1b that are not found in Corded Ware, Bell Beakers, or modern Western and Northern Europeans, in any sufficient quantity.

What really happened was basically the opposite of what you imagine. Northern forest steppe males with R1a and R1b-L51 killed Yamnaya men and stole their women. Most modern Europeans descend from this event, not your imaginary Yamnaya "male" expansion.

Is Yamnaya overrated?

Four years after the publication of the seminal ancient DNA paper Massive migration from the steppe is a source for Indo-European languages ...

eurogenes.blogspot.com

Do your own digging next time:

haplogroup - Google Drive

drive.google.com

Don't ever calling me fucking stupid you scrotum face anglo.

I don't give a fuck about your bullshit haplogroups fitting the complete picture based on scarce DNA findings here and there from thousands of years ago. I read the mainstay literature to get a grasp of the prevailing thought.

Bet your bitchass can't comprehend why Spaniards are majority R1b yet 80% ENF. Naw...naww....it couldn't be the Indo-European wolf cult brothers pillaging and taking wives

Yamanaya also had haplogroup I2, which is absent in Corded Ware and rare in most parts of Europe outside of the Balkans and parts of Eastern Europe.

I remember reading that a small group of I2 did hitch a ride on the westward expansion.

 

[bobt]

Link to study??

I didn't read up on this too deeply but I'm pretty sure Celtic homeland is modern day Germany and they didn't make any roundabouts in the Middle East. I do remember reading that some Indo-European caravan made it's way past the Caspian into Turkey and then into the Balkans.

https://ccea.org.uk/downloads/docs/...conquered Rome,and wars building their empire. celts invaded rome which is near the east https://www.irishtimes.com/news/hea...ddle-eastern-ancestry-study-reveals-1.2478780 now this is retarded but this does show genetic impact from the celts

 

[bobt]

Do your own digging next time:

haplogroup - Google Drive

drive.google.com

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Don't ever calling me fucking stupid you scrotum face anglo.

I don't give a fuck about your bullshit haplogroups fitting the complete picture based on scarce DNA findings here and there from thousands of years ago. I read the mainstay literature to get a grasp of the prevailing thought.

Bet your bitchass can't comprehend why Spaniards are majority R1b yet 80% ENF. Naw...naww....it couldn't be the Indo-European wolf cult brothers pillaging and taking wives



I remember reading that a small group of I2 did hitch a ride on the westward expansion.

 

[bobt]

all europeans link back up to one group so this is retarded

 

[Deleted member 16571]

https://ccea.org.uk/downloads/docs/ccea-asset-im/Resource/Unit 1: Pupil Book.pdf#:~:text=These Celts who conquered Rome,and wars building their empire. celts invaded rome which is near the east https://www.irishtimes.com/news/hea...ddle-eastern-ancestry-study-reveals-1.2478780 now this is retarded but this does show genetic impact from the celts

You found something but hate to break it to ya, you lack the capacity to comprehend what you're reading. Yes farmers from Anatolia give us, modern Europeans, a component of our ancestry. At one point in time these farmers made up the majority of the European population, and then the Indo-Europeans arrived. Celts are a sub-branch of these Indo-Europeans.

Additionally, R1b arose somewhere in the Middle East but made its way to the Ukrainian/Russian border and from there made it's way into the rest of Europe (not counting the Villabruna individual).

all europeans link back up to one group so this is retarded

ENF is from the Anatolian farmers
WHG is from the dark skinned blue eyed European aboriginals (arrived ~40,000 years ago)
Yamnaya or Yamnaya-like is from the Indo-European migrations. They derived their ancestry from ~55% Easter European HG and ~35% caucasian hunter gatherers. Eastern European hunter gatherers were 75% ancient north eurasian and 25% WHG. The Ancient North Eurasian denotes a migration into Northern Eurasia separate from that of WHG. The picture is complicated for beginners.

 

[bobt]

You found something but hate to break it to ya, you lack the capacity to comprehend what you're reading. Yes farmers from Anatolia give us, modern Europeans, a component of our ancestry. At one point in time these farmers made up the majority of the European population, and then the Indo-Europeans arrived. Celts are a sub-branch of these Indo-Europeans.

Additionally, R1b arose somewhere in the Middle East but made its way to the Ukrainian/Russian border and from there made it's way into the rest of Europe (not counting the Villabruna individual).

ENF is from the Anatolian farmers
WHG is from the dark skinned blue eyed European aboriginals (arrived ~40,000 years ago)
Yamnaya or Yamnaya-like is from the Indo-European migrations. They derived their ancestry from ~55% Easter European HG and ~35% caucasian hunter gatherers. Eastern European hunter gatherers were 75% ancient north eurasian and 25% WHG. The Ancient North Eurasian denotes a migration into Northern Eurasia separate from that of WHG. The picture is complicated for beginners.

all eurrassians, a like descend from north eurrasians the basic rule in of it self something has to derive from something for it to come into existence this is just a basic rule the oldest h group in europe is i1awhich is found in scandanavia. scandanavia has been noted to be the largest contributor to europes genes you need understand that all europeans are slight different in genetic composition there is not much different. consider the fact that the y chromosone is the most mutative gene in the body that is what defines these groups roon people the proto indo europe people first to bear the swastika the balkan the germanic language iss the root of all indo europeans languages proto germanic .

 

[bobt]

D'Atanasio et al. (2018) propose that R1b-V88 originated in Europe about 12 000 years ago and crossed to North Africa by about 8000 years ago; it may formerly have been common in southern Europe, where it has since been replaced by waves of other haplogroups, leaving

 

[Deleted member 16571]

D'Atanasio et al. (2018) propose that R1b-V88 originated in Europe about 12 000 years ago and crossed to North Africa by about 8000 years ago; it may formerly have been common in southern Europe, where it has since been replaced by waves of other haplogroups, leaving

Additionally, R1b arose somewhere in the Middle East but made its way to the Ukrainian/Russian border and from there made it's way into the rest of Europe (not counting the Villabruna individual).

 

[bobt]

i dont see the point this is meaningless all i said was the celts are responsible for the swastika in the east because of obvious patterns through history

 

[Deleted member 6305]

Everything is cope
From what I know the only genes that matter are the ones less older than 1000 years, more than that they don't matter and have been replaced
So people from B.C. migrating to middle eastern already have been replaced

 

[Gengar]

I'm not even sure what you're saying m8 - write grammatically. Indo-Europeans (Yamnaya ancestry) spread out in every direction from the modern border of Ukraine/Russia. As they moved into western Europe they mated with the women and slew the men (as evidence by modern paternal lines: R1a and R1b dominate Europe). Along the way they created Corded Ware and later the Bell Beaker cultures. Celts came much later...but they're the progeny of these Indo-European people. That's why all religious pantheons across Europe whether they are Slavic, Baltic, Germanic, or Greek have a sky father, a thunder god, god of war, etc... The kurgans (mound burials) made their way even into England.

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You can't but can make the best possible approximation. Since most people (>97%) that have blue eyes are homozygous for the HERC2 mutation, we can trace back to when this mutation first appeared and make the inference of when blue eyes first appeared. Same thing with skin color and hair color.

Do you have any links to support your claims? I am not here to argue but to think outside the box. Do note that I do not care about race, it doesn't matter if we originated from Africa or Asia or Europe or Latin America. I am always skeptical on theories masqueraded as facts just because it is the most prevalent one. Truth is, we can't say things for sure. We can only make assumptions.

 

[Deleted member 16571]

Do you have any links to support your claims? I am not here to argue but to think outside the box. Do note that I do not care about race, it doesn't matter if we originated from Africa or Asia or Europe or Latin America. I am always skeptical on theories masqueraded as facts just because it is the most prevalent one. Truth is, we can't say things for sure. We can only make assumptions.

Which specific claim do you need a paper for?
This is a great place to find papers to read:

 

[Deleted member 16571]

@bobt @TRUE_CEL

 

[bobt]

@bobt @TRUE_CEL

you're obviously well read i want to start a movement will you aid me

 

[Deleted member 16571]

you're obviously well read i want to start a movement will you aid me

thanks
Lol an aryan people’s movement?

 

[bobt]

thanks
Lol an aryan people’s movement?

if you want to consider it that then yes but its mainly about the truth europe has history . it has been the most impactful force on almost all nations

 

[Detona]

Do your own digging next time:

haplogroup - Google Drive

drive.google.com

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Don't ever calling me fucking stupid you scrotum face anglo.


I don't give a fuck about your bullshit haplogroups fitting the complete picture based on scarce DNA findings here and there from thousands of years ago. I read the mainstay literature to get a grasp of the prevailing thought.

Bet your bitchass can't comprehend why Spaniards are majority R1b yet 80% ENF. Naw...naww....it couldn't be the Indo-European wolf cult brothers pillaging and taking wives



I remember reading that a small group of I2 did hitch a ride on the westward expansion.

God damn you are stupid, boy.

There is literally nothing of relevance in your graphs, and you've misunderstood my point completely.

Europeans do, of course, derive their R1b and R1a from an eastern source.

The point is that it doesn't come from Yamnaya. Yamnaya had no R1a haplogroups, and they had none of the R1b clades found in Western Europeans or Corded Ware.

All this means is that the haplogroups came from some Eastern group other than Yamnaya -- probably one from the Forest Stepppe zone northeast of Ukraine, in what is now Russia.

The Yamnaya didn't "rape and pillage" Europe. There's paternal haplogroup discontinuity between Yamnaya and Corded Ware, so it was actually Yamnaya getting raped and pillaged by R1a-rich, R1b-L51 men from the forest-steppe zone. Most Europeans descend from those people. That's all.

There'e hardly haplogroup I2 in Western Europe, snd most of it comes from WHG and SHG-like sources rather than Yamnaya.

 

[MiroslavBulldosex]

At this point "aryan" really doesn't mean anything.
Read books from David Reich or any actual scientific studies on population genetics.

 

[MiroslavBulldosex]

You found something but hate to break it to ya, you lack the capacity to comprehend what you're reading. Yes farmers from Anatolia give us, modern Europeans, a component of our ancestry. At one point in time these farmers made up the majority of the European population, and then the Indo-Europeans arrived. Celts are a sub-branch of these Indo-Europeans.

Additionally, R1b arose somewhere in the Middle East but made its way to the Ukrainian/Russian border and from there made it's way into the rest of Europe (not counting the Villabruna individual).

ENF is from the Anatolian farmers
WHG is from the dark skinned blue eyed European aboriginals (arrived ~40,000 years ago)
Yamnaya or Yamnaya-like is from the Indo-European migrations. They derived their ancestry from ~55% Easter European HG and ~35% caucasian hunter gatherers. Eastern European hunter gatherers were 75% ancient north eurasian and 25% WHG. The Ancient North Eurasian denotes a migration into Northern Eurasia separate from that of WHG. The picture is complicated for beginners.

Glad to see someone who actually did some research

 

[Detona]

Glad to see someone who actually did some research

That fool didn't do any resesrch. He is a retarded Ukranian boy who needs to spend more time preparing to have his house blown up by Russian commandos, than speaking nonsense about genetics.

R1b originates in Eastern Europe among Ancient North Eurasians/ANE-rich Eastern Hunter Gatherers, not the middle east.

 

[MiroslavBulldosex]

Bunch of interesting maps/graphs taken from David Reich's book "Who We Are and How We Got Here"

 

[Ryan]

Retard thread. The nazis took the swastika.
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[subhuman incel]

I GOT OLDVIRGIN BANNED AHAHAHAHAHA

I asked the mod @Alexanderr to ban him in this thread and he just did HAHAAHAHAH. https://looksmax.org/threads/ban-discussion-megathread.1698/page-273#post-6539601 was nice to meet you @OldVirgin hope we meet again one day :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

looksmax.org

 

[Deleted member 16571]

That fool didn't do any resesrch. He is a retarded Ukranian boy who needs to spend more time preparing to have his house blown up by Russian commandos, than speaking nonsense about genetics.

R1b originates in Eastern Europe among Ancient North Eurasians/ANE-rich Eastern Hunter Gatherers, not the middle east.

There are several fallacies in what you say:
1. R1b did originate in the Central Asia/Middle East. Then it made it's way into the steppe and from there was spread by these "Western Steppe Herders".

2. It really doesn't matter if the Yamnaya or their neighbors to the north spread it because they're essentially the same people. How else though would you explain the Caucasian Hunter-Gatherer admixture in modern Europeans if it the was North Forest Steppe people that conquered Europe.
3. Another point is that the forest steppe is a not a good grazing ground for a pastoralist life style and pulling your belongings behind you in wagons.
4. Kurgans or burial mounds are found in higher concentrations right at the edge of the Caucasus mountains - which are a defining cultural practice. Even Anglo-Saxons build these mounds thousands of years later.
5. I gave you an example of a yamnaya sample with the same r1b haplotype as modern Europeans....you can't be serious.
6. What do you want me to prove to you about R1a...do I really need to spend half an hour finding samples to prove you wrong???

K peace out bye.

 

[Detona]

There are several fallacies in what you say:
1. R1b did originate in the Central Asia/Middle East. Then it made it's way into the steppe and from there was spread by these "Western Steppe Herders".

How much of a geographically illiterate retard do you have to be to not realize that this chart shows R1b originating on the eastern shores of the Caspian Sea, which is in Eastern Europe/Central Asia, and not the middle east?

And even so, this is not a source. It's a shitty chart created by Maciamo Hay of Eupedia, a private website.

2. It really doesn't matter if the Yamnaya or their neighbors to the north spread it because they're essentially the same people.

Lol, wrong as usual. They weren't exactly the same; they had different paternal haplogroups, different material cultures and probably different appearances, as well.

How else though would you explain the Caucasian Hunter-Gatherer admixture in modern Europeans if it the was North Forest Steppe people that conquered Europe.

Because as I said they took Yamnaya women.

3. Another point is that the forest steppe is a not a good grazing ground for a pastoralist life style and pulling your belongings behind you in wagons.

There is little to no evidence for wagons in the Corded Ware Culture, Bell Beakers. Notice that western and northern Europe were also unsuited to wagons. Obviously forest steppe-zone is a good location to graze horses if it's been deforested, as it was.

4. Kurgans or burial mounds are found in higher concentrations right at the edge of the Caucasus mountains - which are a defining cultural practice.

Corded Ware also made limited use of Kurgans and preferred tree trunk burials -- further evidence that they aren't Yamnayans.

Even Anglo-Saxons build these mounds thousands of years later.

Rarely.

5. I gave you an example of a yamnaya sample with the same r1b haplotype as modern Europeans....you can't be serious.

No you didn't.

6. What do you want me to prove to you about R1a...do I really need to spend half an hour finding samples to prove you wrong???
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K peace out bye.

Again, fake chart made by an uneducated loser calling himself Maciamo. Every expert on the subject affirms no R1a has ever been found in a Yamnaya kurgan.


Bottom line -- you're a misinformed dipshit who doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[Deleted member 10104]

Cool vids

 

[Deleted member 16571]

How much of a geographically illiterate retard do you have to be to not realize that this chart shows R1b originating on the eastern shores of the Caspian Sea, which is in Eastern Europe/Central Asia, and not the middle east?

And even so, this is not a source. It's a shitty chart created by Maciamo Hay of Eupedia, a private website.



Lol, wrong as usual. They weren't exactly the same; they had different paternal haplogroups, different material cultures and probably different appearances, as well.




Because as I said they took Yamnaya women.



There is little to no evidence for wagons in the Corded Ware Culture, Bell Beakers. Notice that western and northern Europe were also unsuited to wagons. Obviously forest steppe-zone is a good location to graze horses if it's been deforested, as it was.




Corded Ware also made limited use of Kurgans and preferred tree trunk burials -- further evidence that they aren't Yamnayans.



Rarely.



No you didn't.



Again, fake chart made by an uneducated loser calling himself Maciamo. Every expert on the subject affirms no R1a has ever been found in a Yamnaya kurgan.


Bottom line -- you're a misinformed dipshit who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Again, no need to throw slurs at me phaggot. Iran is the Middle East, and just because you know someone's name and they have a private website that doesn't make them wrong.

You make such a big deal about different clades of essentially EHGs, like holy shit who gives a fook if it's the guys from the South Russia or Central Russia. Either way, they likely pillaged their way into Western Europe because very little Anatolian farmer Y-haplogroups survived yet modern Europeans have a ton of ENF ancestry.

Everything I've read by David Anthony and archeogenetic papers talked of a Yamnaya origin of Indo-Europeans.
Send links to papers talking about Northern Steppe Herders pillaging and taking Yamnaya women.

 

[Detona]

Again, no need to throw slurs at me phaggot. Iran is the Middle East, and just because you know someone's name and they have a private website that doesn't make them wrong.

Except on your shitty map, R1b origins lie in Turkmenistan, and northeastern Iran is not in the middle east. Your map shows R1b originating in the Kopet Dag forest-steppe zone, which is a part of Eastern Europe and Central Asia.

But it doesn't matter because the map is shit and made by an uneducated barbarian named Maciamo Hay.

You make such a big deal about different clades of essentially EHGs, like holy shit who gives a fook if it's the guys from the South Russia or Central Russia. Either way, they likely pillaged their way into Western Europe because very little Anatolian farmer Y-haplogroups survived yet modern Europeans have a ton of ENF ancestry.

Virtually all EEF haplogroups survived, and in fact, putative EEF haplogroups J and E now outnumber Yamnaya R1b in Ukraine.

Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15125258/

The relevance is that your beloved Yamnaya were cucked to extermination by both EEFs and Corded Ware.

Everything I've read by David Anthony and archeogenetic papers talked of a Yamnaya origin of Indo-Europeans.
Send links to papers talking about Northern Steppe Herders pillaging and taking Yamnaya women.

David Anthony has been debunked over and over again. You haven't read archaeogenetics papers, because they're increasingly pointing out that Yamnaya cannot have been the spreaders of Indo European languages or genetics.

 

[Deleted member 16571]

Except on your shitty map, R1b origins lie in Turkmenistan, and northeastern Iran is not in the middle east. Your map shows R1b originating in the Kopet Dag forest-steppe zone, which is a part of Eastern Europe and Central Asia.

But it doesn't matter because the map is shit and made by an uneducated barbarian named Maciamo Hay.



Virtually all EEF haplogroups survived, and in fact, putative EEF haplogroups J and E now outnumber Yamnaya R1b in Ukraine.

Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15125258/

The relevance is that your beloved Yamnaya were cucked to extermination by both EEFs and Corded Ware.



David Anthony has been debunked over and over again. You haven't resd archaeogenetics papers, because they're increasingly pointing out that Yamnaya cannot have been the spreaders of Indo European languages or genetics.

Sorry m8 didn't realize Turkmenistan is in Eastern Europe.
I didn't claim that ENF haplogroups didn't survive, but that they were largely replaced. I'm living proof of this: G2a2a2.

Why are they my beloved Yamnaya? Stop acting like a fool. Whole wikipedia articles are written with the premise that Indo-Europeans originated on the Pontic-Caspian Steppe.

Indo-European migrations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If there's wind of a new hypothesis, it hasn't hit mainstream so you can't blame me for not being up to date.

You can't debunk David Anthony, he's an archeologist and his work is very relevant. He didn't draw the conclusion that Indo-Europeans descend from Yamnaya out of thin air - the Reich lab and the other lab in Europe ran his ancient DNA samples.

Send papers that verbally point out that Yamnaya were not the progenitors of Indo-Europeans. I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the kurgan burial ritual was spread through conquered Yamnaya women.

 

[Detona]

Sorry m8 didn't realize Turkmenistan is in Eastern Europe.
I didn't claim that ENF haplogroups didn't survive, but that they were largely replaced. I'm living proof of this: G2a2a2.

You said, quoting verbatim:

"very little Anatolian farmer Y-haplogroups survived "

What that means is that very few of the farmer haplogroups survived. Not true, all of them survived, and all of them are still substsntial parts of the European populstion. The only part of Europe where Steppe lineages are predominant is the British Isles.

Why are they my beloved Yamnaya? Stop acting like a fool. Whole wikipedia articles are written with the premise that Indo-Europeans originated on the Pontic-Caspian Steppe.

Bullshit.

If there's wind of a new hypothesis, it hasn't hit mainstream so you can't blame me for not being up to date.

Wrong, it's not new and its not a hypothesis. The fact that Yamnaya haplogroups didn't exist in Corded Ware/Europeans was brought up by multiple experts more esteemed than David Anthony, and is mentioned on the Yamnaya article at your beloved Wikipedia. There is no male haplogroup continuity between Yamnaya and any of the shit you are talking about.

You can't debunk David Anthony, he's an archeologist and his work is very relevant. He didn't draw the conclusion that Indo-Europeans descend from Yamnaya out of thin air - the Reich lab and the other lab in Europe ran his ancient DNA samples.

David Anthony never had DNA samples and is not a geneticist. You are lying through your teeth as usual. It was Wolfgang Haak who first penned this bullshit theory in the year 2015, and it has been torn to shreds ever since.

Send papers that verbally point out that Yamnaya were not the progenitors of Indo-Europeans. I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the kurgan burial ritual was spread through conquered Yamnaya women.

Except the oldest Kurgan is from the Samara culture in the Russian forest-step zone far north of Yamnaya, predating it by a thousand years, you stupid fuck.

 

[Deleted member 16571]

You said, quoting verbatim:

"very little Anatolian farmer Y-haplogroups survived "

What that means is that very few of the farmer haplogroups survived. Not true, all of them survived, and all of them are still substsntial parts of the European populstion. The only part of Europe where Steppe lineages are predominant is the British Isles.




Bullshit.


Wrong, it's not new and its not a hypothesis. The fact that Yamnaya haplogroups didn't exist in Corded Ware/Europeans was brought up by multiple experts more esteemed than David Anthony, and is mentioned on the Yamnaya article at your beloved Wikipedia. There is no male haplogroup continuity between Yamnaya and any of the shit you are talking about.



David Anthony never had DNA samples and is not a geneticist. You are lying through your teeth as usual. It was Wolfgang Haak who first penned this bullshit theory in the year 2015, and it has been torn to shreds ever since.



Except the oldest Kurgan is from the Samara culture in the Russian forest-step zone far north of Yamnaya, predating it by a thousand years, you stupid fuck.

you mean this is not how it happened?