R1a or R1b

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Tusan aj ki khadda ae

Does this mean “what did you eat today”? That sounds Punjabi.

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Mashallah Bhai

He’s not Islamic.

 

[AbandonShip]

Does this mean “what did you eat today”? That sounds Punjabi.

Tbh it was all a larp and you fell for it. I am not from J and K

 

[agustoz]

Interesting, so are they separate branches or do they ultimately belong to Jatts?

Maybe yes unsure tho

 

[agustoz]

He’s not Islamic.

My apologies wbu

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Tbh it was all a larp and you fell for it. I am not from J and K

Ahhh, right. What are you then? Are you from Himachal Pradesh? Or Punjab?

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Maybe yes unsure tho

I think so, too. Could be wrong. I’ll google.

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

My apologies wbu

Alhamdullilah!

 

[AbandonShip]

Ahhh, right. What are you then? Are you from Himachal Pradesh? Or Punjab?

Pure punjabi jatt by blood. dil da ni maada

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Pure punjabi jatt by blood. dil da ni maada

I see. Fellow Punjabi BVLL then.

 

[agustoz]

Alhamdullilah!

Mashallah catch u later

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Mashallah catch u later

Where you going? I asked google.

Yes, Cheemas are a major sub-clan of the Jat people found in the Punjab region of India and Pakistan.

Clan Overview

• 
  
• • Identity: “Cheema... is a group of Jats in India and Pakistan who are known as warriors.”
  • Region: They are traditionally located in the Punjab region (spanning West Punjab in Pakistan and East Punjab in India) as well as neighboring areas like Haryana and Rajasthan.

 

[agustoz]

Where you going? I asked google.

Yes, Cheemas are a major sub-clan of the Jat people found in the Punjab region of India and Pakistan.

Clan Overview

• 
  
• • Identity: “Cheema... is a group of Jats in India and Pakistan who are known as warriors.”
  • Region: They are traditionally located in the Punjab region (spanning West Punjab in Pakistan and East Punjab in India) as well as neighboring areas like Haryana and Rajasthan.

I Thought the Convo was over lmao sorry I don't have great communication skills. Ye man most punjabis are like jats. I never like researched about the history that much but now I will now.

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

I Thought the Convo was over lmao sorry I don't have great communication skills. Ye man most punjabis are like jats. I never like researched about the history that much but now I will now.

Brootal, we Punjabis are usually very social but we are the opposite.

I get it, though, I was also not interested in my background until my early twenties.

 

[theblueprints]

Hey gengar

 

[agustoz]

Brootal, we Punjabis are usually very social but we are the opposite.

I get it, though, I was also not interested in my background until my early twenties.

Id say many pujubais aren't on forums asw . Good thing I start early

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Hey gengar

Hey Bluey! You are likely an O or C BVLL.

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Id say many pujubais aren't on forums asw . Good thing I start early

There are quite a few Punjabis. Salludon is a Punjabi Jatt as well.

 

[freeshavacadoo]

Which ever one I have is the one that mogs

 

[agustoz]

There are quite a few Punjabis. Salludon is a Punjabi Jatt as well.

Ye he looks like one asw. Punjabis are like high bone density but I'm an exception somehow. Crazy there's a Punjabi oldcel on one of the mainstream forums. I remember calling u a cuck like this day and now we're talking about our bg jfl.

 

[Lemic]

Which one mogs? They are sister branches, so, ultimately related.

Ah DNA

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Ye he looks like one asw. Punjabis are like high bone density but I'm an exception somehow. Crazy there's a Punjabi oldcel on one of the mainstream forums. I remember calling u a cuck like this day and now we're talking about our bg jfl.

Brootal, that’s what a lot of bhenchods do. They talk shit to me. Also, yeah, I’m a boneless potato as well.

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Ah DNA

Yes bhaijan. Which one are you voting for?

 

[agustoz]

Brootal, that’s what a lot of bhenchods do. They talk shit to me. Also, yeah, I’m a boneless potato as well.

Only kabadhi could save our asses

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Only kabadhi could save our asses

Kabaddi is a high T sport, yeah.

 

[agustoz]

Kabaddi is a high T sport, yeah.

Too bad it's only gonna be in Pakistan and India not going to other countries. Yk what a deira is

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Too bad it's only gonna be in Pakistan and India not going to other countries. Yk what a deira is

There’s an Iranian kabbadi team as well. They defeated our team recently.

No idea what a deira is.

 

[agustoz]

There’s an Iranian kabbadi team as well. They defeated our team recently.

No idea what a deira is.

Idk how to explain it I'll just show it to u whenever I go pak and if I remember. Now like gotta go sleep and shit. I'll talk to u tomorrow brah Allah hafiz

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Idk how to explain it I'll just show it to u whenever I go pak and if I remember. Now like gotta go sleep and shit. I'll talk to u tomorrow brah Allah hafiz

This early? Sleep tight bhaijan. Allah hafiz!

 

[Lemic]

Yes bhaijan. Which one are you voting for?

I couldn't give an educated answer but R1b
Sounds like some shit from star trek.

 

[agustoz]

This early? Sleep tight bhaijan. Allah hafiz!

Ha yaar 6 ko uthna hota hei

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

I couldn't give an educated answer but R1b
Sounds like some shit from star trek.

Haha. It’s what many Europeans have. They had an ancestor that carried the R1 haplogroup, and it eventually mutated and became R1b, and they in turn had more mutations, etc. A mutation occurs every few generations to one. R1b is a very basal haplogroup, and so is R1a. This is about R1b:

Major Subclades

• • R1b-M269: The dominant European branch responsible for most Western European lineages.
  • R1b-U106: Highly prevalent in Central and Northern Europe, strongly tied to Germanic ancestry.
  • R1b-P312: Widely dispersed in Western Europe, splitting into regional branches like L21 (Atlantic Celtic/Britain and Ireland), U152 (Alpine/Italy and France), and DF27 (Iberian).

 

[tei]

Most South Asians have R1a as well, but under a different subclade than East Europeans.

there’s actually a south asian group called the tanoli (which are afghan descendants) that are rich in R1b surprisingly

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

there’s actually a south asian group called the tanoli (which are afghan descendants) that are rich in R1b surprisingly

I have heard of the Tanolis, but IIRC, they are considered native to northwestern South Asia instead of being related to Afghans.

• Indigenous Roots: Overall DNA profiling reveals that the Tanolis possess an ancient genetic base rooted firmly in the Indus Valley and Western Eurasia.
• Higher Local Components: Compared to their neighbors, Tanolis carry a higher percentage of ancestral South Asian indigenous genetic signatures. This means they are genetically native to the immediate Trans-Indus and Hazara regions rather than being recent foreign travelers.

Also, about their R1b, it says… “The definitive tribal marker for the Tanolis. It connects them genetically to isolated mountain populations of the Hindu Kush.”

 

[tei]

I have heard of the Tanolis, but IIRC, they are considered native to northwestern South Asia instead of being related to Afghans.

• Indigenous Roots: Overall DNA profiling reveals that the Tanolis possess an ancient genetic base rooted firmly in the Indus Valley and Western Eurasia.
• Higher Local Components: Compared to their neighbors, Tanolis carry a higher percentage of ancestral South Asian indigenous genetic signatures. This means they are genetically native to the immediate Trans-Indus and Hazara regions rather than being recent foreign travelers.

Also, about their R1b, it says… “The definitive tribal marker for the Tanolis. It connects them genetically to isolated mountain populations of the Hindu Kush.”

im pashtun myself but i was reading this subreddit of them being close to the yusufzais, also historically they descended from afghanistan then later migrated to pakistan and practiced hindko

also when i look at a tanoli i just think they are one of us, they culturally practice what pashtuns do and also some speak pashto themselves (one of my friends are tanoli and his family looks white)

like look at this tanoli right here, looks much different than the average south asian guy

but yeah no doubt they are definitely south asian but rather much more distinct than other south asians in general, like punjabis for example



I’d just assume they are a dardic group as most people say

 

[fantom0726]

damn this thread is still alive

 

[tei]

im pashtun myself but i was reading this subreddit of them being close to the yusufzais, also historically they descended from afghanistan then later migrated to pakistan and practiced hindko

also when i look at a tanoli i just think they are one of us, they culturally practice what pashtuns do and also some speak pashto themselves (one of my friends are tanoli and his family looks white)

like look at this tanoli right here, looks much different than the average south asian guy

but yeah no doubt they are definitely south asian but rather much more distinct than other south asians in general, like punjabis for example



I’d just assume they are a dardic group as most people say

also tanoli pashtun claim is very recent

people used to think they were turks (a barlas-turk leader claimed they were turks) but im pretty sure it was debunked idk

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

im pashtun myself but i was reading this subreddit of them being close to the yusufzais, also historically they descended from afghanistan then later migrated to pakistan and practiced hindko

also when i look at a tanoli i just think they are one of us, they culturally practice what pashtuns do and also some speak pashto themselves (one of my friends are tanoli and his family looks white)

like look at this tanoli right here, looks much different than the average south asian guy

but yeah no doubt they are definitely south asian but rather much more distinct than other south asians in general, like punjabis for example



I’d just assume they are a dardic group as most people say

Are you from Afghanistan or Pakistan? I assume the latter because you’re talking about Tanolis. I doubt someone from Kandahar would even be aware of the existence of Tanolis.

I have never been to Hazara so I cannot talk about them, I’ve only read about them online. Is that an outlier for a Tanoli or do most of them look like that? I would probably mistake them for being Afghan if I were to see them in real life, but it could also be a case of cherry-picking.

What seems most logical to me is that they probably got Iranicized due to being in contact with their neighbors. Then again, you have Gujjars who are still very Indic. But also… Hindko is considered Indic as well. These classifications are based on language rather than genetics.

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

also tanoli pashtun claim is very recent

people used to think they were turks (a barlas-turk leader claimed they were turks) but im pretty sure it was debunked idk

I just googled it. It did mention the Barlas Turk connection but it wouldn’t be possible considering their considerable SAHG ancestry. I think it’s similar to Punjabis (lower twenties %). Have you ever done a DNA test?

 

[tei]

Are you from Afghanistan or Pakistan? I assume the latter because you’re talking about Tanolis. I doubt someone from Kandahar would even be aware of the existence of Tanolis.

I have never been to Hazara so I cannot talk about them, I’ve only read about them online. Is that an outlier for a Tanoli or do most of them look like that? I would probably mistake them for being Afghan if I were to see them in real life, but it could also be a case of cherry-picking.

What seems most logical to me is that they probably got Iranicized due to being in contact with their neighbors. Then again, you have Gujjars who are still very Indic. But also… Hindko is considered Indic as well. These classifications are based on language rather than genetics.

i’m a pakistani pashtun, my mom was friends with a tanoli and they later just came to america and i’ve been best friends with my moms mothers son. they lived in abbottabad.

i wouldn’t really say cherry-picking because basing off how my friends family looks and how much tanolis there are in the world (approx. 400,000) its hard to really assume they r indic looking.

i have more pics of random tanolis if you look here (found this on a subreddit)

id say half of them look indic and the other half look more indo-nordic, seems about fair since they are south asian at the end of the day.

 

[tei]

I just googled it. It did mention the Barlas Turk connection but it wouldn’t be possible considering their considerable SAHG ancestry. I think it’s similar to Punjabis (lower twenties %). Have you ever done a DNA test?

nah i’ve never done a dna test, i wanted to do one in this past month so if i do ill post about it on here

 

[tei]

i’m a pakistani pashtun, my mom was friends with a tanoli and they later just came to america and i’ve been best friends with my moms mothers son. they lived in abbottabad.

i wouldn’t really say cherry-picking because basing off how my friends family looks and how much tanolis there are in the world (approx. 400,000) its hard to really assume they r indic looking.

i have more pics of random tanolis if you look here (found this on a subreddit)

id say half of them look indic and the other half look more indo-nordic, seems about fair since they are south asian at the end of the day.

i meant moms “friends” son

 

[tei]

I just googled it. It did mention the Barlas Turk connection but it wouldn’t be possible considering their considerable SAHG ancestry. I think it’s similar to Punjabis (lower twenties %). Have you ever done a DNA test?

this is what i found of what tanolis claim they are in a hazara post

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

i’m a pakistani pashtun, my mom was friends with a tanoli and they later just came to america and i’ve been best friends with my moms mothers son. they lived in abbottabad.

i wouldn’t really say cherry-picking because basing off how my friends family looks and how much tanolis there are in the world (approx. 400,000) its hard to really assume they r indic looking.

i have more pics of random tanolis if you look here (found this on a subreddit)

id say half of them look indic and the other half look more indo-nordic, seems about fair since they are south asian at the end of the day.

I can see Turkic influences in their phenotypes, or at least in the dude on the right. I honestly feel like they’re cherry-picked because when I google them, I see this:

And they just look Punjabi to me. Perhaps the atypical-looking Tanoli have mixed with neighboring, non-Indic groups.

nah i’ve never done a dna test, i wanted to do one in this past month so if i do ill post about it on here

You should do a DNA test for sure. Check PMs.

 

[tei]

I can see Turkic influences in their phenotypes, or at least in the dude on the right. I honestly feel like they’re cherry-picked because when I google them, I see this:

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And they just look Punjabi to me. Perhaps the atypical-looking Tanoli have mixed with neighboring, non-Indic groups.

You should do a DNA test for sure. Check PMs.

yeah most of them look punjabi when i search it up on tiktok ngl

but they could be mixed tanolis since they are in pakistan they could just be mixing with punjabis there since there’s a fuck lot of punjabis that live there, i dont know what a full tanoli looks like.

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

this is what i found of what tanolis claim they are in a hazara post

Looks like they descend from a Proto-Indo-Iranian group, and their later descendants either became Indo-Aryans or Indo-Iranians. The Kamboh were originally Indo-Iranian but they mixed with South Asians and became Indo-Aryans.

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

yeah most of them look punjabi when i search it up on tiktok ngl

but they could be mixed tanolis since they are in pakistan they could just be mixing with punjabis there since there’s a fuck lot of punjabis that live there, i dont know what a full tanoli looks like.

It makes sense they’re brown because just like other MENA groups, atypical individuals form a minority and not the majority like they want us to think.

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Which ever one I have is the one that mogs

You won’t know unless you get tested. Take me for example, most South Asians have R1a, but I got something else instead.

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Ha yaar 6 ko uthna hota hei

Why so early?

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

damn this thread is still alive

I bumped it again.