Race Is a Social Construct, Scientists Argue

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

Racial categories are weak proxies for genetic diversity and need to be phased out

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• More than 100 years ago, American sociologist W.E.B. Du Bois was concerned that race was being used as a biological explanation for what he understood to be social and cultural differences between different populations of people. He spoke out against the idea of "white" and "black" as discrete groups, claiming that these distinctions ignored the scope of human diversity.
  
  Science would favor Du Bois. Today, the mainstream belief among scientists is that race is a social construct without biological meaning. And yet, you might still open a study on genetics in a major scientific journal and find categories like "white" and "black" being used as biological variables.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/

 

[_MVP_]

Niggers are subhumans

 

[Deleted member 17531]

Nah

 

[_MVP_]

 

[Deleted member 17430]

Yet another greycel coming here with that shit…

 

[Gonthar]

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

High IQ replys as I expected, lol.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

i can 100% bet from this post you are eastern european since they are only ones who the "white" title benefits. Am i correct ?

 

[Deleted member 17430]

listen greycel, its true. Humans have very little genetic diversity compared to most other animals.

Two separate groups of chimpanzees that live within 200km of each other in the same jungle can be more genetically distant from one another than a Scandinavian and an subsaharan African.

Humans are only one species and there isn’t enough genetic diversity to justify separating into sub-species of humans.

But that doesn’t mean race doesnt exist. Different groups of humans Have gone to their own evolutionary pathways and developed very differently.

Genetical diversity comes more from time apart than anything else. It does not accurately reflect the amount of anatomical differences. In a small timespan, if there is enough evolutionary pressure, a lot of morphological mutations can occur.

Look at dog breeds, they all diverged from the grey wolf 15 thousand years ago (that’s nothing evolutionary speaking):

If you look at their DNA on a microscope, they’re extremely similar, they can all reproduce with each other and generate offspring that is fertile. They’re not different subspecies, they’re all just one species.

But despite that, they have huge genetic variations when it comes to size, shape, fur color and pattern, ears, speed, intelligence, temperament, dietary needs, etc.

You can’t just ignore the fact that these different lineages of dogs are so very different in so many ways, and just say that they’re all the same species. Dog breeds exist. Human race is just as real.

 

[Gonthar]

i can 100% bet from this post you are eastern european since they are only ones who the "white" title benefits. Am i correct ?

Everybody knows here I'm from Romania...

 

[Deleted member 17430]

High IQ replys as I expected, lol.

You aren’t the first one to start this conversation here. Nobody has patience to explain the same shit again to every newbie that comes along.

I was generous with you.

 

[Cidre enjoyer]

Whatever
People from different places look different, behave differently, have different genes
If it's not race ,it's something else, it doesnt matter

 

[Deleted member 21597]

Race is very real. It’s just that Jews have infiltrated the Universities for over 50 years now and have influenced academic thinking with their cultural Marxist beliefs. Race denialism is creationism for liberals.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Everybody knows here I'm from Romania...

typical i guess. Since western euros don't want to be associated with gypsies who identify as "white" to somehow feel included as they usually have nothing else to be proud of rather than skin color. Wasn't that long ago that most slavs weren't regarded as white

 

[Deleted member 21278]

MONGOLOIDS ARE NOT THE SMARTEST RACE

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

Just fucking lol @ incels on internet forums trying to debunk peer reviewed studies form actual scinentists

 

[Gonthar]

typical i guess. Since western euros don't want to be associated with gypsies who identify as "white" to somehow feel included as they usually have nothing else to be proud of rather than skin color. Wasn't that long ago that most slavs weren't regarded as white

Romanians aren't gypsy or slavs, we are pure 100% white, descendant from the Ancient Romans...

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

Romanians aren't gypsy or slavs, we are pure 100% white, descendant from the Ancient Romans...

Romans were sandn**ers though.
Movies where you see Hollywood actors of Anglo origin playing Romans (or even worse-Greeks) are plain historically incorrect.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Romanians aren't gypsy or slavs, we are pure 100% white, descendant from the Ancient Romans...

Slavs are way more white jfl. Romanians are the most deathnic group in europe, they will never be regarded as "pure white" like nordics are.

The mitochondrial DNA makeup of Romanians: A forensic mtDNA control region database and phylogenetic characterization - PubMed

To evaluate the pattern of Romanian population from a mitochondrial perspective and to establish an appropriate mtDNA forensic database, we generated a high-quality mtDNA control region dataset from 407 Romanian subjects belonging to four major historical regions: Moldavia, Transylvania...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Deleted member 21278]

100% white, descendant from the Ancient Romans...

 

[Gonthar]

Slavs are way more white jfl. Romanians are the most deathnic group in europe, they will never be regarded as "pure white" like nordics are.

The mitochondrial DNA makeup of Romanians: A forensic mtDNA control region database and phylogenetic characterization - PubMed

To evaluate the pattern of Romanian population from a mitochondrial perspective and to establish an appropriate mtDNA forensic database, we generated a high-quality mtDNA control region dataset from 407 Romanian subjects belonging to four major historical regions: Moldavia, Transylvania...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Yeah, right...

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Yeah, right...

you just cant handle fact that romanians aren't as white as nordics, slavs or anglos. Cope

 

[Gonthar]

you just cant handle fact that romanians aren't as white as nordics, slavs or anglos. Cope

What is even white anyway...
We identify as whites so we are white, period!

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

If race isn't real why can I easily tell a cracka apart from a gook?

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

What is even white anyway...
We identify as whites so we are white, period!

White pride world wide, baby.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

What is even white anyway...
We identify as whites so we are white, period!

trannies use that same logic to identify as helicopters

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Just fucking lol @ incels on internet forums trying to debunk peer reviewed studies form actual scinentists

Where are the studies?

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

If race is real, will someone explain to me are Anatolian Greeks "white" and anatolian Turks "non-white"?
Do Anatonial Greeks, or Cypriots, belong to the same race as Norwegians, and distant from the Turks?
If you can't explain this, then you can't really prove "race".

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

Where are the studies?

In the article I linked.

 

[RecessedChinCel]

Ethnicity and phenotype is more important than race

 

[Deleted member 17430]

Just fucking lol @ incels on internet forums trying to debunk peer reviewed studies form actual scientists

Classical leftist. Turns off brain and takes anything at face value if it comes from “accredited” sources.

Same thing with gender being different from sex. That's something that literally cannot be proven, "gender identity" isn't a real measurable thing, it's a made up concept. These "specialists" are all politically biased. Don't you understand they’re trying to push a narrative on you?

If you just stuck to logic and common sense, you'd see the obvious reality right in front of you.

I will try to explain it again.

What these scientists are saying, is that when you take a microscope and look at the genetic code itself, different groups of humans don't have enough visible genetic variation to justify being separated into subspecies.

However, that does not mean race isn't biologically real. Of course it is.

EVERYTHING about you is genetic man, your face, your blood type, the inner workings of your brain.... And anything that's genetic is hereditary. Different groups of people have split up and gone their separate ways tens of thousands of years ago. In that, they developed multiple biological differences. That's what we call different races.

What's so hard to understand or accept about that?

 

[Deleted member 21278]

What is even white anyway...
We identify as whites so we are white, period!

This guy thinks he white too

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

Classical leftist. Turns off brain and takes anything at face value if it comes from “accredited” sources.

Same thing with gender being different from sex. That's something that literally cannot be proven, "gender identity" isn't a real measurable thing, it's a made up concept. These "specialists" are all politically biased. Don't you understand they’re trying to push a narrative on you?

Yeah it's a Jewish conspiracy, togheter with "deep state", an elite group of zero point something percentage of population that tries to control all the world's wealth, and don't forget human reptilians aswell

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

This guy thinks he white tooView attachment 1888406

"White" is collonial construct.
In Europe for example nobody identifies as "White".

 

[Tenshi]

listen greycel, its true. Humans have very little genetic diversity compared to most other animals.

Two separate groups of chimpanzees that live within 200km of each other in the same jungle can be more genetically distant from one another than a Scandinavian and an subsaharan African.

Humans are only one species and there isn’t enough genetic diversity to justify separating into sub-species of humans.

But that doesn’t mean race doesnt exist. Different groups of humans Have gone to their own evolutionary pathways and developed very differently.

Genetical diversity comes more from time apart than anything else. It does not accurately reflect the amount of anatomical differences. In a small timespan, if there is enough evolutionary pressure, a lot of morphological mutations can occur.

Look at dog breeds, they all diverged from the grey wolf 15 thousand years ago (that’s nothing evolutionary speaking):

View attachment 1888376

If you look at their DNA on a microscope, they’re extremely similar, they can all reproduce with each other and generate offspring that is fertile. They’re not different subspecies, they’re all just one species.

But despite that, they have huge genetic variations when it comes to size, shape, fur color and pattern, ears, speed, intelligence, temperament, dietary needs, etc.

You can’t just ignore the fact that these different lineages of dogs are so very different in so many ways, and just say that they’re all the same species. Dog breeds exist. Human race is just as real.

the reason why it's a social construct with no base in biology is because scientifically race = subspecies, which is not the case either for dogs or humans, we lack the genetic diversity for such

but yeah, we do have difference ethnicities that whilst genetically not diverse enough to classify as subspecies/races have different phenos that on itself aren't exactly a precisely way to tell how different apart two given populations are from each other (you could potentially change two or three genes and have a different superficial pheno while having a sharing of 99.9% of one's genetic code)

so, depending on how your classify, you can have either the typical 3 'races' people think exist or idk, 200,000 of them.

so yeah, in that sense it's socially constructed (it depends on how people perceive something, which isn't scientific).

the reason why we have such a diversity of phenos despite the (surprising) lack of genetic diversity is probably due to our migratory nature. Which btw people don't seem to notice and connect the dots on how animals we domesticated for some reason follow the same "race-fication" patterns as well (horses, cows, dogs and so on).

 

[Deleted member 17430]

If race is real, will someone explain to me are Anatolian Greeks "white" and anatolian Turks "non-white"?

The definition of white is highly subjective, not due to it being a social construct but due to the fact that some people are more exclusive than others when it comes to how white you must be. Some only include nordics, others also include southern and eastern europeans, and there are those even inclusive of mediterraneans... But it doesn't go beyond that. Because any more than that and you're stepping out of caucasoid territory, and whites must be indisputably caucasoids. When you get to the major branches, it becomes more clear.

Do Anatonial Greeks, or Cypriots, belong to the same race as Norwegians, and distant from the Turks?
If you can't explain this, then you can't really prove "race".

Different ethnic groups can be placed into a complicated family tree with a common origin.

Where exactly you draw the line in the smaller branches is subjective. But the major branches are remarkably different and can be more objectively separated.

 

[klip11]

Racial categories are weak proxies for genetic diversity and need to be phased out

• 
  
• More than 100 years ago, American sociologist W.E.B. Du Bois was concerned that race was being used as a biological explanation for what he understood to be social and cultural differences between different populations of people. He spoke out against the idea of "white" and "black" as discrete groups, claiming that these distinctions ignored the scope of human diversity.
  
  Science would favor Du Bois. Today, the mainstream belief among scientists is that race is a social construct without biological meaning. And yet, you might still open a study on genetics in a major scientific journal and find categories like "white" and "black" being used as biological variables.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/

When it comes to sex and race, scientists have to come to politically correct conclusions. They can't stray too far off the reservation if they want to keep their funding or their jobs.

Just because races can successfully interbreed does not mean that race is a social construct. I have a German shepherd. Where I live, there are coyotes around. Hypothetically, if he mated with a female coyote in heat, she could get pregnant and bear fertile offspring.

Does this mean that coyotes and German shepherds are the same and the only differences between them are social constructs? No it doesn't.

 

[Deleted member 22627]

Racial categories are weak proxies for genetic diversity and need to be phased out

• 
  
• More than 100 years ago, American sociologist W.E.B. Du Bois was concerned that race was being used as a biological explanation for what he understood to be social and cultural differences between different populations of people. He spoke out against the idea of "white" and "black" as discrete groups, claiming that these distinctions ignored the scope of human diversity.
  
  Science would favor Du Bois. Today, the mainstream belief among scientists is that race is a social construct without biological meaning. And yet, you might still open a study on genetics in a major scientific journal and find categories like "white" and "black" being used as biological variables.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/

 

[Reckless Turtle]

In the article I linked.

Not a single link in that article leads to a peer-reviewed study.

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

Dogs probably descend from feral dogs, not grey wolves tbh.
This guys data is wrong in every area not just for humans.

 

[Moggie]

 

[Deleted member 21598]

Imagine thinking sub saharan Africans are the same as Europeans when Europeans have been geographically isolated from Africans for tens of thousands of years in a harsh northern climate and even bred with a different hominid (neanderthals).

You have to be painfully low IQ or willfully ignorant to believe that.

The same retard leftists will of course be the first ones praising the superiority of west african sprinters.

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

Not a single link in that article leads to a peer-reviewed study.

I guess you can't read then.

 

[Deleted member 17430]

Yeah it's a Jewish conspiracy, togheter with "deep state", an elite group of zero point something percentage of population that tries to control all the world's wealth, and don't forget human reptilians aswell

I don't know if it's the jews or not, that's another discussion. But yes, there absolutely is a tiny percentage of elites that are in control of the world, that's clear as day.

"White" is colonial construct.
In Europe for example nobody identifies as "White".

In Europe everyone identifies as white, it's just not their main identify since they're surrounded by other white people and it doesn't set them apart. So it makes me more sense to identify themselves primarily with their nationality and/or specific ethnic group. But as soon as they step out of Europe, they 100% identify themselves as white.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

I guess you can't read then.

I'm illiterate. Care to help me out and highlight the studies?

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

I'm illiterate. Care to help me out and highlight the studies?

No I can't, I have better things to do than to search links for incels on forums.
But they are there, in the link I provided.

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

I don't know if it's the jews or not, that's another discussion. But yes, there absolutely is a tiny percentage of elites that are in control of the world, that's clear as day.

In Europe everyone identifies as white, it's just not their main identify since they're surrounded by other white people and it doesn't set them apart. So it makes me more sense to identify themselves primarily with their nationality and/or specific ethnic group. But as soon as they step out of Europe, they 100% identify themselves as white.

Wrong for both statements.
Man, discussing with alt-righters literally is like discussing with flat earthers.
First one is conspiracy theory and second one if plain false. People from Europe absolutely don't identify as anything other than their nations.

 

[Deleted member 16369]

Romanians aren't gypsy or slavs, we are pure 100% white, descendant from the Ancient Romans...

Shitskin cope

 

[Deleted member 17430]

Wrong for both statements.
Man, discussing with alt-righters literally is like discussing with flat earthers.

I'm not an alt righter. I am just a realist.

First one is conspiracy theory and second one if plain false. People from Europe absolutely don't identify as anything other than their nations.

Where are you from? You seem out of touch with what you're talking about. I have been to Europe many times and have plenty of European friends, literally all of them identify as white.

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

the reason why it's a social construct with no base in biology is because scientifically race = subspecies, which is not the case either for dogs or humans, we lack the genetic diversity for such