Race Realism Is Not Bullshit (Response to @holy’s Post)

[Crusile]

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85% heritability is much higher than twin studies

 

[Archimedes]

But it’s not, and ur retarded. Genetics are far more complicated than that whether it be looks or intelligence, a super smart guy can have a dumb son, a super handsome guy can have an ugly son. It happens, iq is not purely “genetic”.

You haven't heard of genetic recombination or that people carry gene variants yet are lecturing me about genetics, lol. Its like saying sickle cell anemia isn't genetic because you can give birth to a child with it even if you don't have it. I'm sure you'll find some retarded reason to not understand the analogy.

Your looks analogy is great because it literally proves my point--looks, like intelligence, is basically completely genetic assuming basic needs are met. I also never denied that environment influences IQ, but its still largely genetic. As I said, environmental influences have a pronounced effect when you are younger but people will regress to the mean as they age--longitudinal studies prove this.

 

[widdi]

85% heritability is much higher than twin studies

So the best available method by far (using entire census data of hundreds of thousands of people) shows an even higher estimate? It’s almost like the bias is actually against genetic effects

 

[widdi]

You haven't heard of genetic recombination or that people carry gene variants yet are lecturing me about genetics, lol. Its like saying sickle cell anemia isn't genetic because you can give birth to a child with it even if you don't have it. I'm sure you'll find some retarded reason to not understand the analogy.

Your looks analogy is great because it literally proves my point--looks, like intelligence, is basically completely genetic assuming basic needs are met. I also never denied that environment influences IQ, but its still largely genetic. As I said, environmental influences have a pronounced effect when you are younger but people will regress to the mean as they age--longitudinal studies prove this.

Yup. When you are young, the environment is thrust upon you by your parents and other authority figures. When you grow up, your genes play a much bigger role in the friends you chose, the self destructive behaviors you do, etc. You begin to choose your own environment in accordance with your genetics.

 

[Crusile]

So the best available method by far (using entire census data of hundreds of thousands of people) shows an even higher estimate? It’s almost like the bias is actually against genetic effects

Those are non-genetic heritability estimates

 

[widdi]

Those are non-genetic heritability estimates

Is animal domestication also non genetic because they don’t go and individually look at the genes JFL

 

[Crusile]

Is animal domestication also non genetic because they don’t go and individually look at the genes JFL

how do they differentiate cultural vs genetic transmission? they dont/cant. its a non-genetic heritability estimate.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4491976 Study designs where they attempt to control for non-genetic transmission have much lower heritability estimates (30%).

 

[widdi]

how do they differentiate cultural vs genetic transmission? they dont/cant. its a non-genetic heritability estimate.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4491976 Study designs where they attempt to control for non-genetic transmission have much lower heritability estimates (30%).

Pedigree mixed models differentiate cultural and genetic transmission by looking at edge cases on the kinship continuum (eg comparing outcomes from half sibling pairs vs full sibling pairs, adoptive siblings vs biological siblings). You can also isolate vertical transmission by looking at the correlation of outcomes between grandchild-grandparent pairs and similarly related once removed siblings. You basically create a matrix of relatedness and use REML to reduce it to the genotypic and phenotypic components.

 

[Crusile]

Pedigree mixed models differentiate cultural and genetic transmission by looking at edge cases on the kinship continuum (eg comparing outcomes from half sibling pairs vs full sibling pairs, adoptive siblings vs biological siblings). You can also isolate vertical transmission by looking at the correlation of outcomes between grandchild-grandparent pairs and similarly related once removed siblings. You basically create a matrix of relatedness and use REML to reduce it to the genotypic and phenotypic components.

That study has the same false shared environment assumption as twin studies, and its inflated estimate hasnt been replicated by other pedigree studies. You choose the most inflated(80%) p-hacked study and said its the same estimate has the most inflated twin study estimates (80%) = twin studies replicate. lool. xD

Most pedigree studies have lower estimates than twin studies btw

 

[widdi]

That study has the same false shared environment assumption as twin studies, and its inflated estimate hasnt been replicated by other pedigree studies. You choose the most inflated(80%) p-hacked study and said its the same estimate has the most inflated twin study estimates (80%) = twin studies replicate. lool. xD

Most pedigree studies have lower estimates than twin studies btw

They don't wtf do you know how pedigree mixed models work? ur literally just making shit up atp. also stop spamming p-hack when you don't know what it is. You can't p hack a heritability estimate from a pedigree mixed model because theres no subgroup analysis where you can selectively exclude people. its looking at ALL variance within a census.